Answers.Body: <p>You can attach couple of half bushes or full bushes on inner side of the axle near Technic beam like on the other side you have done with a gear. If axle is still trying to slide - fill in the entire inner axle part with bushes.</p>
  
  <p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/XF8zJ.png" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/XF8zJ.png" alt="enter image description here"></a> <a href="https://i.sstatic.net/AQF1F.png" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/AQF1F.png" alt="enter image description here"></a></p>
  
  <p>Here is picture of suggested fix. Here you can see extra half bushes added to fix the axle the same way gear fix the other axle from moving outwards.
  <a href="https://i.sstatic.net/LCubh.png" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/LCubh.png" alt="enter image description here"></a></p>
  
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Answers.Text: I filled all of it and it still slides. Thanks for the answer anyway :)
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Answers.Text: @d33tah perharps I wasn't clear in describing the fix. I've added a picture. I cannot see how axle would slide again in such setup.
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Answers.Text: @Alex if the yellow half-bushes have subpar clutch power, the left axle could still move, especially given the forces that arise with such a long axle, no differential and rubber tires. However, applying more (half)bushes could increase the gripping, and if the whole length of the axle is filled with them, and the axles still slide out, then other solutions are needed.
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Answers.Text: @zovits Agree on more is better, but two half bushes are strong enough to keep the axle in place, unless half bushes are cracked. I assumed Technic beams holding the wheels don't move away from each other. If they do - your answer is the right added solution here.
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Answers.Text: @Alex Agree, it should be enough, and it is quite curious why does OP say that it does not work...
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Answers.Body: <p>If you want to stick to your current design (despite its obvious flaws), then here's another idea. Let's go!</p>
  
  <p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/IvTaq.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/IvTaq.jpg" alt="enter image description here"></a></p>
  
  <p>As you can see, I tried to rebuild the crucial part of your framework. </p>
  
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  <p>Alright. Now two things I've noticed. You're using axles with stop. And there's some play between the bush and the wheel. </p>
  
  <p>Okay, firstly on axles with stop. </p>
  
  <p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/qOj3t.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/qOj3t.jpg" alt="enter image description here"></a></p>
  
  <p>Here's two pairs of axles. The two axles with stop are on top, the bottom ones are without stop bit. See that the top ones don't touch each other? See the gap? That's because of the stop and the fact that the wheel has no counterbore. Can you spot the inner rim on the liftarm (blue arrow)? That's what the wheel lacks. </p>
  
  <p>So what about it? Well, here's the problem. Let's take a yellow connector and make them one long axle. But, remember the gap between them? </p>
  
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  <p>Once you push them into the connector -all the way in till they 'hit the ground'- you will flex the red and yellow liftarms inwards. Maybe just a tad, but still. They will sure flex back, but because of the stop on the axle the wheel can't pop off. So the axle gets pulled out of the connector instead. </p>
  
  <p>Next about the connector. You chose a connector with a pinhole. This piece is three studs long. So your wheel is now off by one stud. And I think you've therefore adjusted the wheel. That's why we can see this play. </p>
  
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Answers.Text: You are indeed correct about the connector. Luckily this Lego set includes a smaller one: https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=6538c#T=C
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Answers.Body: <p>If the application of (half)bushes as mentioned in <a href="https://bricks.stackexchange.com/a/14727/3631">Alex's answer</a> don't cut it, consider building a frame that holds the ends of the grey axles together, like so:</p>
  
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Answers.Text: It is better to replace red bushes near wheels with 15100 and liftarm than fixing from outside in such case.
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Answers.Body: <p>I think the real problem is the design and the way you used the motors.</p>
  <p>If you motorize only one of the wheels with the medium motor to get the other one to move, then the one that's closer to the motor may go faster and you'll probably end up with a slight deviation to the left, which also includes the other wheel snapping off.</p>
  <p>Also, using the large servo motor just to steer a few degrees is not worth it, as the servo motor goes faster than the medium motor <del>and you have <strong>two</strong> servo motors, so I recommend that you redesign your car and individually motorize the two back wheels.</del> and since you said that you only have one servo motor, you should put one between the two axles to keep them together <em>and</em> to motorize both. Use the medium motor for steering instead.</p>
  <p>See <a href="http://magbuhatrobotics.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/chapter-12.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">this car</a> for ideas. Building instructions are included.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: The problem is that I don't have two small servo motors anymore - one broke. This design is an attempt at working around that. Thanks for point out the problem though. Do you think I could hack around it?
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Answers.Text: @d33tah Huh... perhaps you can put one large servo motor in between the two axles to motorize both AND to keep them together, or you can get the motor here and build the other car I've suggested: https://www.amazon.com/Lego-Mindstorms-Large-Servo-Motor/dp/B00E1QDP4W/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=ev3+servo+motor&qid=1589377022&sr=8-2 The lego site does not individually sell this motor unfortunately.
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Answers.Text: Why would my idea not work? Why downvote?
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Answers.Text: No idea, I think that your point is valid.
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Body: <p>In my EV3 robot, I have two rear axles connected to each other using  <a href="https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=32034#T=C" rel="nofollow noreferrer">this part</a> mounted like this:</p>
  
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  <p>[<img src="https://i.sstatic.net/OJTDE.jpg" alt="enter image description here"></p>
  
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  <p>The problem with this construction is that after a while of driving, the axles disconnect like this:</p>
  
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  <p>Is there a sensible way to prevent this from happening?</p>
  
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Comments.Text: Are you looking for a solution that's made with parts from the ev3 kit only?
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Comments.Text: Apologies if this is a dumb question but is "Get a longer axle piece" too obvious?  I think they make them that long.
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Comments.Text: Unfortunately I don't have a longer one :<
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Comments.Text: Hmm...  Is the disconnect caused by turning?  (i.e. if you make it drive only forwards and backwards, does the axel remain intact for longer?)  It may be down to the difference in size of turning circle for each wheel, in which case the forces could be reduced or removed with the introduction of a differential
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Comments.Text: @Chronocidal it's likely caused by turning. Could you link to some documents on the said differential?
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Comments.Text: @d33tah [This question](https://bricks.stackexchange.com/questions/3065/is-it-possible-to-create-a-differential-if-i-dont-have-it-as-a-ready-to-use-ele) can help if you do not already have a [differential](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_(mechanical_device)) available in your Lego box.
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Comments.Text: If you don't have a longer axle, you could order one - they're pretty cheap, though the shipping cost for 1 piece might be not worth it depending on where you live.  Might be more worthwhile if you include it together with a bunch of other pieces you might want.
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Title: How to prevent my connected axles from falling apart?
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ThreadText: # How to prevent my connected axles from falling apart?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2020-05-11)
  
  In my EV3 robot, I have two rear axles connected to each other using [this part](https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=32034#T=C) mounted like this:
  
  [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/lxCLV.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/lxCLV.jpg)
  
  [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/saLQA.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/saLQA.jpg)
  
  [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/OJTDE.jpg)
  
  [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/J5Eua.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/J5Eua.jpg)
  
  The problem with this construction is that after a while of driving, the axles disconnect like this:
  
  [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/X0pZO.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/X0pZO.jpg)
  
  Is there a sensible way to prevent this from happening?
  
  **Tags:** ev3, technic, building, vehicle
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: Are you looking for a solution that's made with parts from the ev3 kit only?  
  > **username_2**: Apologies if this is a dumb question but is "Get a longer axle piece" too obvious?  I think they make them that long.  
  > **username_0**: Unfortunately I don't have a longer one :<  
  > **username_3**: Hmm...  Is the disconnect caused by turning?  (i.e. if you make it drive only forwards and backwards, does the axel remain intact for longer?)  It may be down to the difference in size of turning circle for each wheel, in which case the forces could be reduced or removed with the introduction of a differential  
  > **username_0**: @Chronocidal it's likely caused by turning. Could you link to some documents on the said differential?  
  > **username_3**: @d33tah [This question](https://bricks.stackexchange.com/questions/3065/is-it-possible-to-create-a-differential-if-i-dont-have-it-as-a-ready-to-use-ele) can help if you do not already have a [differential](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_(mechanical_device)) available in your Lego box.  
  > **username_2**: If you don't have a longer axle, you could order one - they're pretty cheap, though the shipping cost for 1 piece might be not worth it depending on where you live.  Might be more worthwhile if you include it together with a bunch of other pieces you might want.  
  
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  ## 4 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_4 on 2020-05-11. Score: 6
  
  You can attach couple of half bushes or full bushes on inner side of the axle near Technic beam like on the other side you have done with a gear. If axle is still trying to slide - fill in the entire inner axle part with bushes.
  
  [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/XF8zJ.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/XF8zJ.png) [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/AQF1F.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/AQF1F.png)
  
  Here is picture of suggested fix. Here you can see extra half bushes added to fix the axle the same way gear fix the other axle from moving outwards.
  [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/LCubh.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/LCubh.png)
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_0**: I filled all of it and it still slides. Thanks for the answer anyway :)  
  > **username_4**: @d33tah perharps I wasn't clear in describing the fix. I've added a picture. I cannot see how axle would slide again in such setup.  
  > **username_5**: @Alex if the yellow half-bushes have subpar clutch power, the left axle could still move, especially given the forces that arise with such a long axle, no differential and rubber tires. However, applying more (half)bushes could increase the gripping, and if the whole length of the axle is filled with them, and the axles still slide out, then other solutions are needed.  
  > **username_4**: @zovits Agree on more is better, but two half bushes are strong enough to keep the axle in place, unless half bushes are cracked. I assumed Technic beams holding the wheels don't move away from each other. If they do - your answer is the right added solution here.  
  > **username_5**: @Alex Agree, it should be enough, and it is quite curious why does OP say that it does not work...  
  
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  ### Answer by username_1 on 2020-05-13. Score: 2
  
  If you want to stick to your current design (despite its obvious flaws), then here's another idea. Let's go!
  
  [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/IvTaq.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/IvTaq.jpg)
  
  As you can see, I tried to rebuild the crucial part of your framework.
  
  [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/kpmQW.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/kpmQW.jpg)
  
  Alright. Now two things I've noticed. You're using axles with stop. And there's some play between the bush and the wheel.
  
  Okay, firstly on axles with stop.
  
  [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/qOj3t.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/qOj3t.jpg)
  
  Here's two pairs of axles. The two axles with stop are on top, the bottom ones are without stop bit. See that the top ones don't touch each other? See the gap? That's because of the stop and the fact that the wheel has no counterbore. Can you spot the inner rim on the liftarm (blue arrow)? That's what the wheel lacks.
  
  So what about it? Well, here's the problem. Let's take a yellow connector and make them one long axle. But, remember the gap between them?
  
  [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/gxvij.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/gxvij.jpg)
  
  Once you push them into the connector -all the way in till they 'hit the ground'- you will flex the red and yellow liftarms inwards. Maybe just a tad, but still. They will sure flex back, but because of the stop on the axle the wheel can't pop off. So the axle gets pulled out of the connector instead.
  
  Next about the connector. You chose a connector with a pinhole. This piece is three studs long. So your wheel is now off by one stud. And I think you've therefore adjusted the wheel. That's why we can see this play.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_6**: You are indeed correct about the connector. Luckily this Lego set includes a smaller one: https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=6538c#T=C  
  
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  ### Answer by username_5 on 2020-05-11. Score: 0
  
  If the application of (half)bushes as mentioned in [Alex's answer](https://bricks.stackexchange.com/a/14727/3631) don't cut it, consider building a frame that holds the ends of the grey axles together, like so:
  
  [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/YBZBG.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/YBZBG.png)
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_4**: It is better to replace red bushes near wheels with 15100 and liftarm than fixing from outside in such case.  
  
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  ### Answer by username_6 on 2020-05-13. Score: 0
  
  I think the real problem is the design and the way you used the motors.
  
  If you motorize only one of the wheels with the medium motor to get the other one to move, then the one that's closer to the motor may go faster and you'll probably end up with a slight deviation to the left, which also includes the other wheel snapping off.
  
  Also, using the large servo motor just to steer a few degrees is not worth it, as the servo motor goes faster than the medium motor ~~and you have **two** servo motors, so I recommend that you redesign your car and individually motorize the two back wheels.~~ and since you said that you only have one servo motor, you should put one between the two axles to keep them together *and* to motorize both. Use the medium motor for steering instead.
  
  See [this car](http://magbuhatrobotics.files.wordpress.com/2017/05/chapter-12.pdf) for ideas. Building instructions are included.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_0**: The problem is that I don't have two small servo motors anymore - one broke. This design is an attempt at working around that. Thanks for point out the problem though. Do you think I could hack around it?  
  > **username_6**: @d33tah Huh... perhaps you can put one large servo motor in between the two axles to motorize both AND to keep them together, or you can get the motor here and build the other car I've suggested: https://www.amazon.com/Lego-Mindstorms-Large-Servo-Motor/dp/B00E1QDP4W/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=ev3+servo+motor&qid=1589377022&sr=8-2 The lego site does not individually sell this motor unfortunately.  
  > **username_6**: Why would my idea not work? Why downvote?  
  > **username_0**: No idea, I think that your point is valid.  
  
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