<p>Looking at the picture, the first thing that came to mind was, "are you sure it's the bed?". </p>

<p>The height variance looks very regular, and while I'm unfamiliar with this printer's specific mechanics, my thought process trended to the Ender 3 and other v-wheel extruder mounts. If the extruder and gantry carriages are mounted to the gantry spars on V-wheels instead of sleeve bushings or other linear guides, and you've spent a lot of time printing small objects where those wheels are going back and forth over a relatively small travel distance for the entire print, you have been unevenly wearing the wheels so they've become eccentric around their rotational center, and this will cause the extruder to vary its height over the glass in a very regular pattern tied to the circumference of these carriage wheels. This happens especially quickly if you over-tighten the bearings against the gantry spars in an attempt to make the printer more precise.</p>

<p>If the printer uses sleeve bushings, the worn sleeve won't rotate, and any wear on the spar will be very localized to the areas in which you print, but if the printer has spent most of its life printing a grid of small objects (tokens, sets of small figurines), you can still get this regular wear pattern as the printer will spend more time over those areas of the bed.</p>

<p>The fix is to replace the wheels or linear bearings if the printer uses them. If it uses sleeve bushings and the gantry spars themselves are worn in this pattern, you might be able to rotate the spars to put an unworn (or less worn) band of metal on the top of the spar, depending on how the spars are mounted into the endcaps of the frame and y-axis carriages.</p>

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2020-01-11T17:55:35.303Z
You can use a high quality straight edge to determine if it's the bed or if something like described in this answer is likely the cause.
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2020-01-19T09:31:32.547Z
Monoprice ultimaker does use bushings on rod.
Trish
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KeithS
<p>From experience, my PEI sheet did not stay flat after multiple use, this may be causing the problems you are facing. It could be the adhesive is failing on different locations. </p>

<p>As you mention, a new sheet of PEI may work for you; indeed the glass will not be necessary then, glueing it directly onto the aluminium bed would be enough provided that the metal bed is straight. Note that glass is straight as a result of the production process to make glass, so this can always be used. To remove the PEI sheet, a sticky glue residue is left behind on the build plate, please read <a href="/q/7960">"How to clean up my build plate for a new build surface?"</a> for more information. It is probably easier to remove glue residue from the glass than from the heated bed as that is usually bolted and wired to the printer, but a wet cloth works fine. Personally, I print on glass or directly on the heated bed using an adhesion spray. You do not require the use of a PEI sheet.</p>

<hr>

<p><em>Note that printing PETG filament is not recommended without glue stick or any other bonding agent like hairspray. This is not to get it to stick, but to get the print loose from the build plate, PETG fuses to PEI...</em></p>

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0scar
<p>I just placed a PEI 1 mm sheet directly on the aluminum build plate with the supplied 3M double sided tape and all is well so far. I paid a lot of attention to detail on preventing, or minimizing bubbles during the process which could impact even heating. I love the surface and ease of removal with the prints. I did not place anything between the aluminum plate and PEI material to minimize great transfer.</p>

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Mgilland
<p>I got a Wanhao Duplicator 6 printer branded as a Monoprice Ultimate about a year an and a half ago, 6 months after I got it I decided I hated the buildplate (I had to use a gluestick on every print to get it to stay down) so I removed the original fake buildtak, and got a piece of borosilicate glass and a sheet of PEI that I attached to it.</p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/Yl5Ns.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer" title="Glass buildplate on top of aluminum bed, covered with PEI"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/Yl5Ns.jpg" alt="Glass buildplate on top of aluminum bed, covered with PEI" title="Glass buildplate on top of aluminum bed, covered with PEI"></a> </p>

<p>After about 8 months I started noticing issues with my bed being weird and never really being level no matter how much time I spent leveling it. (I level my buildplate by printing giant concentric circles, comparing the thickness based on the color in different portions, and turning knobs based on that.)  Today after an hour of trying to level my bed I decided to just print the model I was going to print anyways (a pyramid model) and discovered why it never seemed level. </p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/Q5hTb.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer" title="A single printed layer of gold silk PLA from tty3d"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/Q5hTb.jpg" alt="A single printed layer of gold silk PLA from tty3d" title="A single printed layer of gold silk PLA from tty3d"></a> </p>

<p>It seems that different portions of my buildplate are at significantly different heights. Is there something I did wrong to cause this to happen, does it just happen over time, and is there anything I can do to fix it? My current plan is just to buy another sheet of the PEI and stick it directly to the aluminum buildplate installed on the printer. It would result in MUCH better thermal transfer between the heater and the PEI anyways, which is important because the whole point of PEI is that it sticks to PLA extremely well at high temperatures, and not very well at low temps.</p>

<p>If nobody knows what might cause this I'm just going to go ahead and get an new sheet of PEI and omit the glass (it was a bad idea anyways). Thanks for reading.</p>

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2019-11-01T20:23:14.050Z
Get a thicker piece of glass (1/4 inch). Only attached it to the existing bed on one side, and let the other side be free.
user77232
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2019-11-01T21:02:40.237Z
Possible duplicate of [Will a glass bed warp as it is heated?](https://3dprinting.stackexchange.com/questions/6572/will-a-glass-bed-warp-as-it-is-heated)
Trish
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2019-11-04T18:52:07.920Z
I've been successfully printing with the WhamBam system. A magnet is stuck to the AL bed. Then a sheet of PEX material stick on a piece of flex-steel is used as the print surface. The magnet holds it in place. When a print is done, the flex-steel is removed, let it cool 30 seconds or so, give it a little flex and the printed parts pops right off.  Every several prints (10, 12?), give it a wipe with some isopropyl alchohol and you're ready to go again.  We used blue tape for a while, and after fighting pieces off the AL, we went the WhamBam route and couldn't be happier.  https://whambam3d.com/
CrossRoads
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2019-11-05T15:49:05.770Z
How thick is your glass?
Technophile
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2020-01-19T09:04:03.880Z
your build surface looks really scratched up. did you ever clean it? check https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShFaJ027pFs and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzaPFlEKP10
Trish
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Build plate (PEI on glass) isn't flat after several months of use?
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# Build plate (PEI on glass) isn't flat after several months of use?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2019-11-01)

I got a Wanhao Duplicator 6 printer branded as a Monoprice Ultimate about a year an and a half ago, 6 months after I got it I decided I hated the buildplate (I had to use a gluestick on every print to get it to stay down) so I removed the original fake buildtak, and got a piece of borosilicate glass and a sheet of PEI that I attached to it.

[![Glass buildplate on top of aluminum bed, covered with PEI](https://i.sstatic.net/Yl5Ns.jpg "Glass buildplate on top of aluminum bed, covered with PEI")](https://i.sstatic.net/Yl5Ns.jpg "Glass buildplate on top of aluminum bed, covered with PEI")

After about 8 months I started noticing issues with my bed being weird and never really being level no matter how much time I spent leveling it. (I level my buildplate by printing giant concentric circles, comparing the thickness based on the color in different portions, and turning knobs based on that.) Today after an hour of trying to level my bed I decided to just print the model I was going to print anyways (a pyramid model) and discovered why it never seemed level.

[![A single printed layer of gold silk PLA from tty3d](https://i.sstatic.net/Q5hTb.jpg "A single printed layer of gold silk PLA from tty3d")](https://i.sstatic.net/Q5hTb.jpg "A single printed layer of gold silk PLA from tty3d")

It seems that different portions of my buildplate are at significantly different heights. Is there something I did wrong to cause this to happen, does it just happen over time, and is there anything I can do to fix it? My current plan is just to buy another sheet of the PEI and stick it directly to the aluminum buildplate installed on the printer. It would result in MUCH better thermal transfer between the heater and the PEI anyways, which is important because the whole point of PEI is that it sticks to PLA extremely well at high temperatures, and not very well at low temps.

If nobody knows what might cause this I'm just going to go ahead and get an new sheet of PEI and omit the glass (it was a bad idea anyways). Thanks for reading.

**Tags:** build-plate, wanhao, monoprice-maker-ultimate
> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Get a thicker piece of glass (1/4 inch). Only attached it to the existing bed on one side, and let the other side be free.  
> **username_2**: Possible duplicate of [Will a glass bed warp as it is heated?](https://3dprinting.stackexchange.com/questions/6572/will-a-glass-bed-warp-as-it-is-heated)  
> **username_3**: I've been successfully printing with the WhamBam system. A magnet is stuck to the AL bed. Then a sheet of PEX material stick on a piece of flex-steel is used as the print surface. The magnet holds it in place. When a print is done, the flex-steel is removed, let it cool 30 seconds or so, give it a little flex and the printed parts pops right off.  Every several prints (10, 12?), give it a wipe with some isopropyl alchohol and you're ready to go again.  We used blue tape for a while, and after fighting pieces off the AL, we went the WhamBam route and couldn't be happier.  https://whambam3d.com/  
> **username_4**: How thick is your glass?  
> **username_2**: your build surface looks really scratched up. did you ever clean it? check https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ShFaJ027pFs and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzaPFlEKP10  

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## 3 answers

### Answer by username_5 on 2020-01-09. Score: 1

Looking at the picture, the first thing that came to mind was, "are you sure it's the bed?".

The height variance looks very regular, and while I'm unfamiliar with this printer's specific mechanics, my thought process trended to the Ender 3 and other v-wheel extruder mounts. If the extruder and gantry carriages are mounted to the gantry spars on V-wheels instead of sleeve bushings or other linear guides, and you've spent a lot of time printing small objects where those wheels are going back and forth over a relatively small travel distance for the entire print, you have been unevenly wearing the wheels so they've become eccentric around their rotational center, and this will cause the extruder to vary its height over the glass in a very regular pattern tied to the circumference of these carriage wheels. This happens especially quickly if you over-tighten the bearings against the gantry spars in an attempt to make the printer more precise.

If the printer uses sleeve bushings, the worn sleeve won't rotate, and any wear on the spar will be very localized to the areas in which you print, but if the printer has spent most of its life printing a grid of small objects (tokens, sets of small figurines), you can still get this regular wear pattern as the printer will spend more time over those areas of the bed.

The fix is to replace the wheels or linear bearings if the printer uses them. If it uses sleeve bushings and the gantry spars themselves are worn in this pattern, you might be able to rotate the spars to put an unworn (or less worn) band of metal on the top of the spar, depending on how the spars are mounted into the endcaps of the frame and y-axis carriages.

> **Comments:**
> **username_6**: You can use a high quality straight edge to determine if it's the bed or if something like described in this answer is likely the cause.  
> **username_2**: Monoprice ultimaker does use bushings on rod.  

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### Answer by username_7 on 2019-12-10. Score: 0

From experience, my PEI sheet did not stay flat after multiple use, this may be causing the problems you are facing. It could be the adhesive is failing on different locations.

As you mention, a new sheet of PEI may work for you; indeed the glass will not be necessary then, glueing it directly onto the aluminium bed would be enough provided that the metal bed is straight. Note that glass is straight as a result of the production process to make glass, so this can always be used. To remove the PEI sheet, a sticky glue residue is left behind on the build plate, please read ["How to clean up my build plate for a new build surface?"](/q/7960) for more information. It is probably easier to remove glue residue from the glass than from the heated bed as that is usually bolted and wired to the printer, but a wet cloth works fine. Personally, I print on glass or directly on the heated bed using an adhesion spray. You do not require the use of a PEI sheet.

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*Note that printing PETG filament is not recommended without glue stick or any other bonding agent like hairspray. This is not to get it to stick, but to get the print loose from the build plate, PETG fuses to PEI...*


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### Answer by username_8 on 2020-01-19. Score: 0

I just placed a PEI 1 mm sheet directly on the aluminum build plate with the supplied 3M double sided tape and all is well so far. I paid a lot of attention to detail on preventing, or minimizing bubbles during the process which could impact even heating. I love the surface and ease of removal with the prints. I did not place anything between the aluminum plate and PEI material to minimize great transfer.


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