<p>You can certainly use a 24 V PSU for the heatbed, controlled from a 12 V board (i.e. RAMPS) - <em>assuming that the heatbed is either designed for 24 V or is of a type that accepts dual supply voltage (be sure to use the correct input)</em>.</p>
<p>You have three choices:</p>
<ul>
<li>Modify the RAMPS board, using the built in MOSFET</li>
<li>Use an external relay</li>
<li>Use an external MOSFET (as you suggest)</li>
</ul>
<h3>Modifying the RAMPS</h3>
<p><em>Assuming that you are actually using a RAMPS board</em>:</p>
<p>From <a href="https://reprap.org/wiki/RAMPS_24v" rel="nofollow noreferrer">RepRapWiki - RAMPS 24V</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<h3>Modifying for 24v heated bed</h3>
<p>You have to replace the 11 amp polyfuse, MF-R1100, with something else. This device is only rated for 16v. It will burn out and catch fire on 24volts. Most simply replace the polyfuse with a thick wire. Then wire in a 24v fuse with a inline fuse holder on the heated bed cables. Wire up 24 volt supply to the top two 11amp power sockets and its completed.</p>
<p>You can also use an external MOSFET with a separate 24v supply without any changes.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Thus, you can use 24 V, for just the heatbed, on a standard RAMPS board directly. However to do so, you need to modify the board and replace the fuse, as the standard fuse is only rated for 16 V <em>and</em> the current rating would be too high for a 24 V supply.</p>
<p>Just swap out the 11 amp polyfuse, MF-R1100, and replace it with a more suitably rated fuse. Alternatively, just replace the MF-R1100 with a thick wire and use an additional inline fuse holder with a 12/24 V fuse, and reduce the current rating of the fuse by half, i.e. 5 A.</p>
<p>As a 24 V heatbed will actually use less current than a 12 V heatbed, this is perfectly safe. In addition, the heatbed circuit on the RAMPS is isolated from the rest of the RAMPS control circuit, so there is no need to worry about using the two different voltages on the same board.</p>
<h3>SSR</h3>
<p>However, instead of a MOSFET, you might be better off using a relay, such as a <em>FOTEK SSR-100 DD</em> (which is a solid state relay module). Using a relay will isolate the two circuits. Nevertheless, you need to be aware that some (a lot?) of these Fostek SSRs are relabelled - that is to say that a 5 A SSR has the label replaced with one that says 10 A of 15 A, and the unscrupulous reseller bumps up the price accordingly. So, maybe choose a different brand of relay.</p>
<h3>MOSFET</h3>
<p><em>Assuming that you do not have a RAMPS board</em>:</p>
<p>Wire up an external PCB with an appropriate MOSFET. For instance, you could just use the same MOSFET as the RAMPS board uses, which is one of these three (from <a href="https://reprap.org/wiki/RAMPS_1.4" rel="nofollow noreferrer">RepRapWiki - RAMPS 1.4</a> - <a href="https://reprap.org/wiki/RAMPS_1.4#Bill_of_Materials" rel="nofollow noreferrer">BOM</a>):</p>
<ul>
<li><p>STP55NF06L (MOSFET N-CH 60V 55A 18mΩ TO-220 @11A=+135*C )</p>
</li>
<li><p>IRLB8743PBF (MOSFET N-CH 30V 78A 3.2mΩ TO-220 @11A=+24*C)</p>
</li>
<li><p>IRLB3034PBF (MOSFET N-CH 40V 195A 1.7mΩ TO-220 @11A=+13*C)</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>From <a href="https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?219,522120,522251#msg-522251" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Re: best ramps 1.4 headbed mosfet upgrade</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>IRLB8743pbf and IRLB3034pbf are good choices. IRF3205 and P55NF06 are bad choices, because they don't have guaranteed performance at 4.5V gate drive.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>See also <a href="https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?219,835614" rel="nofollow noreferrer">RAMPS 1.4 and external mosfets</a>.</p>

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How about a module built on https://www.npntransistors.com/ha210n06-mosfet with opto-isolator?
alwi
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Maybe, as the gate source voltage is quoted to be 2-4 V. However, personally, I would just stick with those recommended above, as they are known to work.
Greenonline
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Fuses don't care about voltage, they care about current; anything that won't arc over a fuse at 16v won't arc over at 24 either. If a bed is expecting 12v, it will actually pull a LOT more current at 24v (ohms law, the bed is an R). A bed that pulled 10W at 10V would pull 40W at 20v! The actual average current should be lower, but that will come from 0v blanks and 24v high-current PWM pulses, which could be worse on connectors and fuses than the RMS avg suggests.
dandavis
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@dandavis - Whilst for a common or garden fuse, the voltage rating isn't important as the current rating, for a **PTC**, i.e. **polyfuse**, it *is*... please see [this answer](https://electronics.stackexchange.com/a/370855/64015) to [Specifications to consider when selecting a polyfuse](https://electronics.stackexchange.com/q/370847/64015). When exceeding the voltage rating by 10 % , the PTC might be forgiving, however, exceeding it by 50 %, then probably not so forgiving.
Greenonline
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Greenonline
<p>I'm thinking about trying to use a 12 V power supply for the board and 24 V for the hotend and heatbed triggered by some MOSFETs modules like this <a href="https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803225973421.html?srcSns=com.google.android.apps.dynamite&amp;spreadType=socialShare&amp;bizType=ProductDetail&amp;social_params=60255381236&amp;aff_fcid=0001f506721b4528aef462557e91191b-1674238900863-05289-_EwsNqQ5&amp;tt=MG&amp;aff_fsk=_EwsNqQ5&amp;aff_platform=default&amp;sk=_EwsNqQ5&amp;aff_trace_key=0001f506721b4528aef462557e91191b-1674238900863-05289-_EwsNqQ5&amp;shareId=60255381236&amp;businessType=ProductDetail&amp;platform=AE&amp;terminal_id=435528944a8944998033d14a64731289&amp;afSmartRedirect=y&amp;gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt&amp;_randl_shipto=US" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Power Expansion Board Heating Controller MOSFET High Current Load Module 25A 12V or 24V for 3D Printer Parts</a>.</p>
<p>Has something like this worked for anyone? I'm wondering if for triggering 24 V voltage the module needs also 24 V input or 12 V will do.</p>
<p>Maybe I'll start from RAMPS just to kick off, in the long run I thought about Monster8 (I wanted to check out 3-4 motors autolevelling someday) on 12 V but I have also a spare 24 V PSU but just 300W, so I wanted to try a double PSU build and 24 V only for 310x310 240-260W heated bed.</p>
<p>Note: I intend using a heated bed designed for 24 V.</p>

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RAMPS is a good board to start off with as it has a proven track record, and many modifications are possible.
Greenonline
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Many N-channel MOSFETs will fry or die early if you feed 24v to the gate; VGS(max) is often 20v.
dandavis
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Controlling MOSFET with 12 V from board to heat bed with 24 V PSU
alwi
# Controlling MOSFET with 12 V from board to heat bed with 24 V PSU

(Asked by: username_0 on 2023-01-20)

I'm thinking about trying to use a 12 V power supply for the board and 24 V for the hotend and heatbed triggered by some MOSFETs modules like this [Power Expansion Board Heating Controller MOSFET High Current Load Module 25A 12V or 24V for 3D Printer Parts](https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256803225973421.html?srcSns=com.google.android.apps.dynamite&spreadType=socialShare&bizType=ProductDetail&social_params=60255381236&aff_fcid=0001f506721b4528aef462557e91191b-1674238900863-05289-_EwsNqQ5&tt=MG&aff_fsk=_EwsNqQ5&aff_platform=default&sk=_EwsNqQ5&aff_trace_key=0001f506721b4528aef462557e91191b-1674238900863-05289-_EwsNqQ5&shareId=60255381236&businessType=ProductDetail&platform=AE&terminal_id=435528944a8944998033d14a64731289&afSmartRedirect=y&gatewayAdapt=glo2usa4itemAdapt&_randl_shipto=US).

Has something like this worked for anyone? I'm wondering if for triggering 24 V voltage the module needs also 24 V input or 12 V will do.

Maybe I'll start from RAMPS just to kick off, in the long run I thought about Monster8 (I wanted to check out 3-4 motors autolevelling someday) on 12 V but I have also a spare 24 V PSU but just 300W, so I wanted to try a double PSU build and 24 V only for 310x310 240-260W heated bed.

Note: I intend using a heated bed designed for 24 V.

**Tags:** heated-bed, mosfet
> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: RAMPS is a good board to start off with as it has a proven track record, and many modifications are possible.  
> **username_2**: Many N-channel MOSFETs will fry or die early if you feed 24v to the gate; VGS(max) is often 20v.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2023-01-20. Score: 2 | Accepted answer

You can certainly use a 24 V PSU for the heatbed, controlled from a 12 V board (i.e. RAMPS) - *assuming that the heatbed is either designed for 24 V or is of a type that accepts dual supply voltage (be sure to use the correct input)*.

You have three choices:

* Modify the RAMPS board, using the built in MOSFET
* Use an external relay
* Use an external MOSFET (as you suggest)

### Modifying the RAMPS

*Assuming that you are actually using a RAMPS board*:

From [RepRapWiki - RAMPS 24V](https://reprap.org/wiki/RAMPS_24v):

> ### Modifying for 24v heated bed
>
> You have to replace the 11 amp polyfuse, MF-R1100, with something else. This device is only rated for 16v. It will burn out and catch fire on 24volts. Most simply replace the polyfuse with a thick wire. Then wire in a 24v fuse with a inline fuse holder on the heated bed cables. Wire up 24 volt supply to the top two 11amp power sockets and its completed.
>
> You can also use an external MOSFET with a separate 24v supply without any changes.

Thus, you can use 24 V, for just the heatbed, on a standard RAMPS board directly. However to do so, you need to modify the board and replace the fuse, as the standard fuse is only rated for 16 V *and* the current rating would be too high for a 24 V supply.

Just swap out the 11 amp polyfuse, MF-R1100, and replace it with a more suitably rated fuse. Alternatively, just replace the MF-R1100 with a thick wire and use an additional inline fuse holder with a 12/24 V fuse, and reduce the current rating of the fuse by half, i.e. 5 A.

As a 24 V heatbed will actually use less current than a 12 V heatbed, this is perfectly safe. In addition, the heatbed circuit on the RAMPS is isolated from the rest of the RAMPS control circuit, so there is no need to worry about using the two different voltages on the same board.

### SSR

However, instead of a MOSFET, you might be better off using a relay, such as a *FOTEK SSR-100 DD* (which is a solid state relay module). Using a relay will isolate the two circuits. Nevertheless, you need to be aware that some (a lot?) of these Fostek SSRs are relabelled - that is to say that a 5 A SSR has the label replaced with one that says 10 A of 15 A, and the unscrupulous reseller bumps up the price accordingly. So, maybe choose a different brand of relay.

### MOSFET

*Assuming that you do not have a RAMPS board*:

Wire up an external PCB with an appropriate MOSFET. For instance, you could just use the same MOSFET as the RAMPS board uses, which is one of these three (from [RepRapWiki - RAMPS 1.4](https://reprap.org/wiki/RAMPS_1.4) - [BOM](https://reprap.org/wiki/RAMPS_1.4#Bill_of_Materials)):

* STP55NF06L (MOSFET N-CH 60V 55A 18mΩ TO-220 @11A=+135\*C )
* IRLB8743PBF (MOSFET N-CH 30V 78A 3.2mΩ TO-220 @11A=+24\*C)
* IRLB3034PBF (MOSFET N-CH 40V 195A 1.7mΩ TO-220 @11A=+13\*C)

From [Re: best ramps 1.4 headbed mosfet upgrade](https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?219,522120,522251#msg-522251):

> IRLB8743pbf and IRLB3034pbf are good choices. IRF3205 and P55NF06 are bad choices, because they don't have guaranteed performance at 4.5V gate drive.

See also [RAMPS 1.4 and external mosfets](https://reprap.org/forum/read.php?219,835614).

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: How about a module built on https://www.npntransistors.com/ha210n06-mosfet with opto-isolator?  
> **username_1**: Maybe, as the gate source voltage is quoted to be 2-4 V. However, personally, I would just stick with those recommended above, as they are known to work.  
> **username_2**: Fuses don't care about voltage, they care about current; anything that won't arc over a fuse at 16v won't arc over at 24 either. If a bed is expecting 12v, it will actually pull a LOT more current at 24v (ohms law, the bed is an R). A bed that pulled 10W at 10V would pull 40W at 20v! The actual average current should be lower, but that will come from 0v blanks and 24v high-current PWM pulses, which could be worse on connectors and fuses than the RMS avg suggests.  
> **username_1**: @dandavis - Whilst for a common or garden fuse, the voltage rating isn't important as the current rating, for a **PTC**, i.e. **polyfuse**, it *is*... please see [this answer](https://electronics.stackexchange.com/a/370855/64015) to [Specifications to consider when selecting a polyfuse](https://electronics.stackexchange.com/q/370847/64015). When exceeding the voltage rating by 10 % , the PTC might be forgiving, however, exceeding it by 50 %, then probably not so forgiving.  

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