<p>Retraction distance, print speed (I don't know about Combing mode or Comb Distance but I doubt that's the problem) have IMO nothing to do with this.</p>

<p>Neither would <em>hotend</em> temperature.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>It shouldn't be a problem with the Z-axis or the temperature control. It also only appears on large objects.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>You have a very fine X/Y layer so albeit your affirmation, I must raise the idea that it might actually be exactly the temperature control of the heat bed (if you have one) and it definitely seems to be the z axis. How would this problem appear otherwise?</p>

<p>You say it affects only large objects, and also that it doesn't affect PLA, does it affect large PLA objects? Photos would be helpful :-) !</p>

<p><strong>My hypothesis is that you have a heat-bed and that the heatbed is changing the z-height.</strong></p>

<p>It does so when it changes temperature (because material contracts/expands according to temperature), and heatbeds change temperature all the time.</p>

<p>Usually you have the same temperature control method all the time, so small or big objects doesn't change the method, but what they change is the time they stay on the same level; small objects less, big objects much so the z-bulging will be seen if you spend 2 minutes on one layer, while it might be mitigated on a layer taking 20 seconds.</p>

<p>What's your heat bed temperature control software / how is it configured?</p>

<p>FYI I use Marlin and I get these problems when I don't (correctly) auto-tune the heat-bed pid or use bang-bang beat-bed heating.</p>

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I am quite sure that the PID is correctly tuned (see my post here): https://3dprinting.stackexchange.com/questions/3554/3d-printing-problem-waved-walls/5770#5770
In this test I printed only the small cube, and it was working fine.
uiop
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If you are *sure* the z-height is okay, then the only thing I see could do it (except bad filament maybe) is that you do some overextraction, do you use linear advance or some other scheme to calculate pre-retraction etc? Have you tried calibrating the extraction?
Valmond
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Valmond
<p>I am experiencing strange grooves in my ABS prints; with PLA everything is fine. Some layers seem to randomly overextruded and others underextruded.</p>

<p>My parameters:</p>

<ul>
<li><p>Temp: 240°C</p></li>
<li><p>Retraction Distance: 5&nbsp;mm</p></li>
<li><p>Retraction Speed: 70&nbsp;mm/s</p></li>
<li><p>Print Speed: 35&nbsp;mm/s</p></li>
<li><p>Combing mode: All</p></li>
<li><p>Max Comb Distance with no Retract: 5&nbsp;mm</p></li>
</ul>

<p>It shouldn't be a problem with the Z-axis or the temperature control. It also only appears on large objects.</p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/Tq9IB.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer" title="Grooves 1"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/Tq9IB.jpg" alt="Grooves 1" title="Grooves 1"></a>
<a href="https://i.sstatic.net/pG19A.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer" title="Grooves 2"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/pG19A.jpg" alt="Grooves 2" title="Grooves 2"></a></p>

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try lowering the temp 3-5c. I'd also stick with thin wall tests for calibration. Check belts next.
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Strange grooves with ABS
uiop
# Strange grooves with ABS

(Asked by: username_0 on 2018-06-01)

I am experiencing strange grooves in my ABS prints; with PLA everything is fine. Some layers seem to randomly overextruded and others underextruded.

My parameters:

* Temp: 240°C
* Retraction Distance: 5 mm
* Retraction Speed: 70 mm/s
* Print Speed: 35 mm/s
* Combing mode: All
* Max Comb Distance with no Retract: 5 mm

It shouldn't be a problem with the Z-axis or the temperature control. It also only appears on large objects.

[![Grooves 1](https://i.sstatic.net/Tq9IB.jpg "Grooves 1")](https://i.sstatic.net/Tq9IB.jpg "Grooves 1")
[![Grooves 2](https://i.sstatic.net/pG19A.jpg "Grooves 2")](https://i.sstatic.net/pG19A.jpg "Grooves 2")

**Tags:** print-quality, abs, extrusion
> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: try lowering the temp 3-5c. I'd also stick with thin wall tests for calibration. Check belts next.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2018-06-04. Score: 2

Retraction distance, print speed (I don't know about Combing mode or Comb Distance but I doubt that's the problem) have IMO nothing to do with this.

Neither would *hotend* temperature.

> It shouldn't be a problem with the Z-axis or the temperature control. It also only appears on large objects.

You have a very fine X/Y layer so albeit your affirmation, I must raise the idea that it might actually be exactly the temperature control of the heat bed (if you have one) and it definitely seems to be the z axis. How would this problem appear otherwise?

You say it affects only large objects, and also that it doesn't affect PLA, does it affect large PLA objects? Photos would be helpful :-) !

**My hypothesis is that you have a heat-bed and that the heatbed is changing the z-height.**

It does so when it changes temperature (because material contracts/expands according to temperature), and heatbeds change temperature all the time.

Usually you have the same temperature control method all the time, so small or big objects doesn't change the method, but what they change is the time they stay on the same level; small objects less, big objects much so the z-bulging will be seen if you spend 2 minutes on one layer, while it might be mitigated on a layer taking 20 seconds.

What's your heat bed temperature control software / how is it configured?

FYI I use Marlin and I get these problems when I don't (correctly) auto-tune the heat-bed pid or use bang-bang beat-bed heating.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: I am quite sure that the PID is correctly tuned (see my post here): https://3dprinting.stackexchange.com/questions/3554/3d-printing-problem-waved-walls/5770#5770 In this test I printed only the small cube, and it was working fine.  
> **username_2**: If you are *sure* the z-height is okay, then the only thing I see could do it (except bad filament maybe) is that you do some overextraction, do you use linear advance or some other scheme to calculate pre-retraction etc? Have you tried calibrating the extraction?  

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