<p>From my experience with mk8 extruders lower than optimal nozzle temperature or clogged nozzle can lead to an extruder's stepper motor overheating and partial burning out of a stepper</p>

<p>It looks like “Achilles' heel” of mk8 extruders. I had to change 4 stepper motors for 2 3d printers with mk8 due to that</p>

<p>First symptoms – skipped steps. You could also check a temperature of your stepper – next symptom is a high temperature of stepper motor after several hours of printing</p>

<p>My fix for this issue – adding cooling fans to stepper sides and top (3 fans). It significantly reduced overheating and hopefully a life of stepper</p>

<p>Another solution of this issue can be in using of a stepper motor with gearbox to increase torque on a filament gear, so no high torque needed from stepper itself</p>

<p>About printing temperature, it depends on plastic which you are using</p>

<p>I’m using ABS plastic with an optimal printing temperature from 230-260 Celsius degree. For my current plastic supplier optimal temp is about 255 Celsius degree</p>

<p>To check the optimal temperature for your plastic you can print one box in different temperatures depending on Z position and found the optimal temperature by the z position of surface with the best quality. You can find code samples how doing it <a href="http://forums.designfutures.club/t/tutorial-calibrating-hot-end-temperature-abs-pla-hips-etc/84" rel="nofollow noreferrer">here</a></p>

<p>If a temperature is too high then this part of the box will be bloated, if it's too low - you can see the gaps. Here is the <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSOPsRiiOZk" rel="nofollow noreferrer">video</a>, which illustrating this for PLA</p>

<p><strong>UPDATE:</strong></p>

<p>The issue was in the low temperature of printing. After calibration and setting temperature by calibration outcomes to 200 Celsius degree printer started working well</p>

<p>However, please be aware of the fact that wrong printing temperature can not only decrease the quality of printed things, but also can lead to wear of your printer parts and even can break it</p>

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The calibrate link you added is I think what I was after  - ie how do I decide if the print settings are correct
Ross
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You can see it by quality of printed parts. If the temperature is too high - it's bloated, if it's too low - you can see the gaps. Here is the video, which illustrating this for PLA- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSOPsRiiOZk
Stepan Novikov
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After calibration I found the best temperature was 200 ... so I had it too low
Ross
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@Ross: That's good, thanks for info. I will edit my answer to add this information. So for now your printer is working fine, right?
Stepan Novikov
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Yes working well I've printed some large models and some complex ones and they print and have good adhesion and bonding. Thanks
Ross
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<p>From my experience with few printer, Sometime it's happen because of the filament. 
Solution-
If your printer have unload function or if you don't have  that funstion select a printerable file and change temperature to  205-210 C and try to use long and thin hex key like this to push the filament out.
-Make sure you extruder motor work accordingly to feed the nozzle. </p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/OrXhn.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/OrXhn.jpg" alt=" try to use long and thin hex key like this to push the filament out"></a>  </p>

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I'm getting some .4 mm drills to help - although I took the head apart and found just letting it heat up  - most of the plastic could be soaked out with pins
Ross
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2017-08-05T07:31:05.233Z
If you can easily push it manually, then it's hardly can help. I use drill to clear nozzle only if it's impossible or very hard to push it manually
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<p>I have an ANET A2 Prusa - which I've setup and performed a few prints on and they have various problems with the quality.  I'm after some specific experience on what the flow of filament should look like or if my decription triggers someone  </p>

<p>I've been adjusting settings - In particular the temperature - as the filament seemed too fluid as I could easily cause a large spurt of molten plastic by manually pushing the filament with very little effort.  </p>

<p>So I reduced the head temperature to 195 and all seemed better </p>

<p>However after a time - I noticed on a longer print that the feeding was sometimes failing with the filament jerking back as the feeder slipped off it </p>

<p>The stepper did not appear to slip back just the gear skipped on the filament
It appeared to cause a problem in the print with a few of the lines being missing before it started extruding normally again</p>

<p>I increased the temperature back to 200 - however the issue continued intermittently however I left it and when I returned the head had become blocked with the final part of the succesful print consisting of very thin hair like extrusions and eventually stopping completely</p>

<p>The head is flooded and I need to clean it out </p>

<p>So my questions are - how runny should the filament look when the head is at the correct temperatures, is the extremely runny filament I saw at 200 obviously too hot - or is that normal or at least have people seen it looking like that when successfully printing?</p>

<p>Initially , before I reduced the temperature,  I doubled the skirt and that seem to make a good enough print </p>

<p>Does anyone have  experience of why it can seem to be printing but then slowly start failing until the head becomes blocked?</p>

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Extruder looks like mk8, isn't it? What plastic do you use?
Stepan Novikov
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2017-08-05T07:07:48.037Z
PLA is what I've started with - the box says 195 -210 - but the setting of 210 gives very fluid  extrusions
Ross
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It's ok for PLA to be more fluid than it's necessary to printing around 210 Celsius degree. Usually an optimal temperature for printing is in the range mentioned by manufacturers on a box, but need to be calibrated to reach the best quality of printed things. You can see how to calibrate nozzle temperature for PLA in this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSOPsRiiOZk
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Filament not feeding then eventually blocked
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# Filament not feeding then eventually blocked

(Asked by: username_0 on 2017-08-04)

I have an ANET A2 Prusa - which I've setup and performed a few prints on and they have various problems with the quality. I'm after some specific experience on what the flow of filament should look like or if my decription triggers someone

I've been adjusting settings - In particular the temperature - as the filament seemed too fluid as I could easily cause a large spurt of molten plastic by manually pushing the filament with very little effort.

So I reduced the head temperature to 195 and all seemed better

However after a time - I noticed on a longer print that the feeding was sometimes failing with the filament jerking back as the feeder slipped off it

The stepper did not appear to slip back just the gear skipped on the filament
It appeared to cause a problem in the print with a few of the lines being missing before it started extruding normally again

I increased the temperature back to 200 - however the issue continued intermittently however I left it and when I returned the head had become blocked with the final part of the succesful print consisting of very thin hair like extrusions and eventually stopping completely

The head is flooded and I need to clean it out

So my questions are - how runny should the filament look when the head is at the correct temperatures, is the extremely runny filament I saw at 200 obviously too hot - or is that normal or at least have people seen it looking like that when successfully printing?

Initially , before I reduced the temperature, I doubled the skirt and that seem to make a good enough print

Does anyone have experience of why it can seem to be printing but then slowly start failing until the head becomes blocked?

**Tags:** filament, extruder, print-material
> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Extruder looks like mk8, isn't it? What plastic do you use?  
> **username_0**: PLA is what I've started with - the box says 195 -210 - but the setting of 210 gives very fluid  extrusions  
> **username_1**: It's ok for PLA to be more fluid than it's necessary to printing around 210 Celsius degree. Usually an optimal temperature for printing is in the range mentioned by manufacturers on a box, but need to be calibrated to reach the best quality of printed things. You can see how to calibrate nozzle temperature for PLA in this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSOPsRiiOZk  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2017-08-04. Score: 3 | Accepted answer

From my experience with mk8 extruders lower than optimal nozzle temperature or clogged nozzle can lead to an extruder's stepper motor overheating and partial burning out of a stepper

It looks like “Achilles' heel” of mk8 extruders. I had to change 4 stepper motors for 2 3d printers with mk8 due to that

First symptoms – skipped steps. You could also check a temperature of your stepper – next symptom is a high temperature of stepper motor after several hours of printing

My fix for this issue – adding cooling fans to stepper sides and top (3 fans). It significantly reduced overheating and hopefully a life of stepper

Another solution of this issue can be in using of a stepper motor with gearbox to increase torque on a filament gear, so no high torque needed from stepper itself

About printing temperature, it depends on plastic which you are using

I’m using ABS plastic with an optimal printing temperature from 230-260 Celsius degree. For my current plastic supplier optimal temp is about 255 Celsius degree

To check the optimal temperature for your plastic you can print one box in different temperatures depending on Z position and found the optimal temperature by the z position of surface with the best quality. You can find code samples how doing it [here](http://forums.designfutures.club/t/tutorial-calibrating-hot-end-temperature-abs-pla-hips-etc/84)

If a temperature is too high then this part of the box will be bloated, if it's too low - you can see the gaps. Here is the [video](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSOPsRiiOZk), which illustrating this for PLA

**UPDATE:**

The issue was in the low temperature of printing. After calibration and setting temperature by calibration outcomes to 200 Celsius degree printer started working well

However, please be aware of the fact that wrong printing temperature can not only decrease the quality of printed things, but also can lead to wear of your printer parts and even can break it

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: The calibrate link you added is I think what I was after  - ie how do I decide if the print settings are correct  
> **username_1**: You can see it by quality of printed parts. If the temperature is too high - it's bloated, if it's too low - you can see the gaps. Here is the video, which illustrating this for PLA- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSOPsRiiOZk  
> **username_0**: After calibration I found the best temperature was 200 ... so I had it too low  
> **username_1**: @Ross: That's good, thanks for info. I will edit my answer to add this information. So for now your printer is working fine, right?  
> **username_0**: Yes working well I've printed some large models and some complex ones and they print and have good adhesion and bonding. Thanks  

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### Answer by username_2 on 2017-08-05. Score: 1

From my experience with few printer, Sometime it's happen because of the filament.
Solution-
If your printer have unload function or if you don't have that funstion select a printerable file and change temperature to 205-210 C and try to use long and thin hex key like this to push the filament out.
-Make sure you extruder motor work accordingly to feed the nozzle.

[![ try to use long and thin hex key like this to push the filament out](https://i.sstatic.net/OrXhn.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/OrXhn.jpg)

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: I'm getting some .4 mm drills to help - although I took the head apart and found just letting it heat up  - most of the plastic could be soaked out with pins  
> **username_1**: If you can easily push it manually, then it's hardly can help. I use drill to clear nozzle only if it's impossible or very hard to push it manually  

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