<p>Layer shifting is a result of the use of open-loop control systems. This means that the printer just instructs the head to go to certain positions without checking that it actually did arrive at that position. If something happens along the path, like hitting some part of the print or the printer, the motors could loose steps or the belts may skip teeth without the printer knowing it, so it continues further without correcting this.</p>

<p>There are a couple of causes for the skipping to occur. Usually it is a mechanical issue, but it can also be related to an electrical problem or a print settings problem (if e.g. your print speed it too high, the steppers could miss steps).</p>

<p>Looking closely at the image, you will see that the infill of the first layer does not touch the outer lines. This could be a hint that your belts are not tight enough (mechanical issue). Too loose belts cause the stepper driving pulley to skip. Also check the pulley whether it is securely fastened so that the pulley is not slipping when subjected to an increased torque. The nozzle most probably hits the raft (ABS? as it curls up and detaches, you see some irregularities on the left of the bottom right product in your image). Do note that too tight belts are also not wanted as they stress the stepper by an increased torque load. If the issue is electronically related, you could thick of increasing the torque by increasing the current through the stepper (and driver). Too much current will overheat the stepper driver though, so make sure that these do not exceed their rated maximum and properly cool the stepper drivers.</p>

<p>To solve your issues it is recommended to first try printing at lower speeds (this can be skipped if you already have low print speeds), then check the mechanical system of the printer, and finally, if this does not fix the problem, you could look into the electronics.</p>

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0scar
<p>I'm guessing that the bed in the offending corner is farther away and your raft is curling and lifting off the bed in that corner, and your nozzle it hitting it. Try releveling your bed, paying particular close attention to that corner. In addition, work on bed adhesion in general. Clean the bed, make sure fan is off on first layer, and go slow on first layer, and use proper bed temp for the material. You can also try glue stick.</p>

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Marcus Adams
<p>First post here, so please forgive me for any silly mistakes.</p>

<p>Recently the y-axis (I think, forward-backward) has started skipping forward when printing the first layer of my print. It prints the raft with no issues at all, sticks the bed nice and flat and the raft is perfect every time. </p>

<p>Then it starts to print the actual item, but every time it starts to the print the back right corner the Y-Axis jumps or skips on the gears and makes a loud grinding noise. The amount it jumps varies on the print, but always jumps towards the front of the print. It doesn't matter on the size of the print or the position, it always jumps forward never back.</p>

<p>The printer is a Makerbot Replikator clone, from eBay. The X &amp; Y moves the extruder. I have tried upgrading and downgrading the software (which uses Makerbot software) I am unsure if I can update the firmware.</p>

<p>Any help much appreciated.</p>

<p>UPDATE:
Image has been attached of the failed part, excuse the colour, I use it for my test prints. This is orientation it printed on the bed. First 3 blocks printed fine, 4th one jumped  It printed in the following order 1. top-left, 2. bottom left, 3. bottom right, 4. top right.</p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/bIkxe.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/bIkxe.jpg" alt="Failed 3D print part"></a></p>

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2018-12-05T16:14:07.200Z
Can you verify that the extruder head has moved up (Z-axis)? It's unlikely but possible that the head is running into the extruded raft, causing a drive jam.  Try printing something with a brim instead of raft and see what happens.
Carl Witthoft
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2018-12-06T09:01:13.960Z
@Carl Witthoft Unfortunately the z-axis moves fine, As you can now see in the image I attached, it printed the 3 first 3 blocks with no problem (1. top-left, 2. bottom left, 3. bottom right, 4. jumped on top right).
 I will try printing without a raft when I get in tonight see if that makes a difference.
David Gebbett
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2018-12-06T13:09:42.907Z
Hmmm, in addition to Oscar's answer,  I wonder about this sequential print approach. You will have less risk of collision with the material if you set to "print all at once" so that all extrusion at a given Z-height takes place over all 4 blocks in one sweep.  If that is what's going on, apologies for misinterpreting your description.
Carl Witthoft
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@CarlWitthoft Sorry yes that is what is happening. I should have been more clear, the order I gave is the order it printed the first layer
David Gebbett
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Layer shifting on product printing after raft support structure
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# Layer shifting on product printing after raft support structure

(Asked by: username_0 on 2018-12-05)

First post here, so please forgive me for any silly mistakes.

Recently the y-axis (I think, forward-backward) has started skipping forward when printing the first layer of my print. It prints the raft with no issues at all, sticks the bed nice and flat and the raft is perfect every time.

Then it starts to print the actual item, but every time it starts to the print the back right corner the Y-Axis jumps or skips on the gears and makes a loud grinding noise. The amount it jumps varies on the print, but always jumps towards the front of the print. It doesn't matter on the size of the print or the position, it always jumps forward never back.

The printer is a Makerbot Replikator clone, from eBay. The X & Y moves the extruder. I have tried upgrading and downgrading the software (which uses Makerbot software) I am unsure if I can update the firmware.

Any help much appreciated.

UPDATE:
Image has been attached of the failed part, excuse the colour, I use it for my test prints. This is orientation it printed on the bed. First 3 blocks printed fine, 4th one jumped It printed in the following order 1. top-left, 2. bottom left, 3. bottom right, 4. top right.

[![Failed 3D print part](https://i.sstatic.net/bIkxe.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/bIkxe.jpg)

**Tags:** troubleshooting, y-axis
> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Can you verify that the extruder head has moved up (Z-axis)? It's unlikely but possible that the head is running into the extruded raft, causing a drive jam.  Try printing something with a brim instead of raft and see what happens.  
> **username_0**: @Carl Witthoft Unfortunately the z-axis moves fine, As you can now see in the image I attached, it printed the 3 first 3 blocks with no problem (1. top-left, 2. bottom left, 3. bottom right, 4. jumped on top right).  I will try printing without a raft when I get in tonight see if that makes a difference.  
> **username_1**: Hmmm, in addition to Oscar's answer,  I wonder about this sequential print approach. You will have less risk of collision with the material if you set to "print all at once" so that all extrusion at a given Z-height takes place over all 4 blocks in one sweep.  If that is what's going on, apologies for misinterpreting your description.  
> **username_0**: @CarlWitthoft Sorry yes that is what is happening. I should have been more clear, the order I gave is the order it printed the first layer  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2018-12-06. Score: 2 | Accepted answer

Layer shifting is a result of the use of open-loop control systems. This means that the printer just instructs the head to go to certain positions without checking that it actually did arrive at that position. If something happens along the path, like hitting some part of the print or the printer, the motors could loose steps or the belts may skip teeth without the printer knowing it, so it continues further without correcting this.

There are a couple of causes for the skipping to occur. Usually it is a mechanical issue, but it can also be related to an electrical problem or a print settings problem (if e.g. your print speed it too high, the steppers could miss steps).

Looking closely at the image, you will see that the infill of the first layer does not touch the outer lines. This could be a hint that your belts are not tight enough (mechanical issue). Too loose belts cause the stepper driving pulley to skip. Also check the pulley whether it is securely fastened so that the pulley is not slipping when subjected to an increased torque. The nozzle most probably hits the raft (ABS? as it curls up and detaches, you see some irregularities on the left of the bottom right product in your image). Do note that too tight belts are also not wanted as they stress the stepper by an increased torque load. If the issue is electronically related, you could thick of increasing the torque by increasing the current through the stepper (and driver). Too much current will overheat the stepper driver though, so make sure that these do not exceed their rated maximum and properly cool the stepper drivers.

To solve your issues it is recommended to first try printing at lower speeds (this can be skipped if you already have low print speeds), then check the mechanical system of the printer, and finally, if this does not fix the problem, you could look into the electronics.


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### Answer by username_3 on 2018-12-06. Score: 0

I'm guessing that the bed in the offending corner is farther away and your raft is curling and lifting off the bed in that corner, and your nozzle it hitting it. Try releveling your bed, paying particular close attention to that corner. In addition, work on bed adhesion in general. Clean the bed, make sure fan is off on first layer, and go slow on first layer, and use proper bed temp for the material. You can also try glue stick.


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