<p>I don't know where you got those &quot;Quenya&quot; lines but they look suspiciously like from a certain broken machine translator which is absolutely not helpful.</p>
<p>I'd use <em>corma</em> for &quot;ring&quot; - <em><a href="https://pfstrack.github.io/eldamo/content/words/word-1597654623.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">cor</a></em> would be Sindarin. (cf. <em><a href="https://pfstrack.github.io/eldamo/content/words/word-1088830607.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Cormacolindor</a></em> &quot;Ring-bearers&quot;)</p>
<p><em>Er corma</em> &quot;One ring&quot; sounds about right.</p>
<p>Now &quot;to show&quot; is to explain the purpose or attribute of &quot;One ring&quot;. AFAIK, the only known sample from the corpus that comes close is</p>
<blockquote>
<p><em><a href="https://pfstrack.github.io/eldamo/content/words/word-3949536831.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Vanda sina termaruva Elenna-nóreo alcar enyalien</a></em></p>
<p>Oath this stand-FUT Star-wards-land-GEN glory <strong>recall-GERUND-DATIVE</strong>.</p>
<p>&quot;This oath shall stand <strong>in memory of</strong> the glory of the Land of the Star&quot;
Or literally &quot;This oath shall stand <strong>for the recalling of/to recall</strong> ...&quot;</p>
</blockquote>
<p>This would lead to: <em>Er corma tanien</em> &lt;our love&gt;.</p>
<p>**<em>mel</em> from your translation would be the bare stem of the verb &quot;to love&quot;. No, you can't use a verb here, let alone its stem. The noun is <em>melme</em>.</p>
<p>So depending on who WE are, our love can be translated:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><em>melmelva</em> &quot;our love (mine, yours, and others')&quot;</p>
<p><em>melmelma</em> &quot;our love (ours, not yours)&quot;</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Or let's say it should be:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><em>melmenqua</em> &quot;our love (between you and me, the two of us)&quot;</p>
</blockquote>
<p>The first line would then be:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><em>Er corma tanien melmenqua.</em></p>
</blockquote>
<p>the third:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><em>Er corma palien calanqua.</em></p>
</blockquote>
<p>And The fourth:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><em>ar ullume carien inque calima</em></p>
<p>and forever make-GERUND-DATIVE us/thee-and-me bright</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Or:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><em>ar ullume calimatien inque</em></p>
<p>and forever bright-CAUSATIVE-GERUND-DATIVE us/thee-and-me</p>
</blockquote>
<p>The second line is tricky because I can't find a word for &quot;seal&quot;. Maybe you can find a replacement with a real <a href="https://pfstrack.github.io/eldamo/content/search/search.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">dictionary</a>.</p>
<hr />
<p>Alternatively, instead of using the dative form of a gerund, you can use a relative clause, which is far better attested in Quenya.</p>
<blockquote>
<p><em>Er corma i tana melmenqua</em> One ring that shows our love.</p>
<p>??</p>
<p><em>Er corma i palya calanqua</em> One ring that spreads our light</p>
<p><em>Ar ullume calmata inque</em> ~</p>
</blockquote>
<hr />
<p>I found a fan-coined verb *<a href="https://www.elfdict.com/w/lihta-" rel="nofollow noreferrer">lihta</a>- &quot;to seal&quot; (from líco &quot;wax&quot;), it looks OK, IMO.</p>
<p>The second line can therefore be either:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><em>Er corma lihtien melmenqua</em></p>
</blockquote>
<p>or</p>
<blockquote>
<p><em>Er corma i lihta melmenqua</em></p>
</blockquote>

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Eugene
<p>I want to translate those sentences in quenya :</p>
<p>One ring to show our love,</p>
<p>One ring to seal our love,</p>
<p>One ring to spread our light,</p>
<p>And forever to make us bright</p>
<p>This gives with latin letters the following :</p>
<p>Er cor ana tán our mel,</p>
<p>er cor ana seal our mel</p>
<p>er cor ana pále- our kal</p>
<p>ar ullúme ana care us calima</p>
<p>So this gives in Tengwar the text in the image I've joined.</p>
<p>What do you think? Do you have any correction to bring?</p>
<p>I wish you a good day.
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I don't know enough Quenya to give an actual translation, but that's absolutely not correct: it's got English words interspersed with the Quenya ones. (Also, though, if the goal is to imitate the Ring inscription, that's in Black Speech, not Quenya.)
Draconis
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Hi, thanks a lot for your answer. I know the original is in black speech but I wanted a translation in quenya.
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I propose a new translation : "Er corma an tana- our melmë, 
er corma an nut- our melmë 
er corma an faina- our cala, 
arë illúme an alya- ve cal
"
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Except the our I can't translate correctly. I use this dictionary (since I'm french) : https://www.ambar-eldaron.com/telechargements/quenya-fr-A4.pdf. What do you think?
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# Translate into quenya

(Asked by: username_0 on 2024-01-13)

I want to translate those sentences in quenya :

One ring to show our love,

One ring to seal our love,

One ring to spread our light,

And forever to make us bright

This gives with latin letters the following :

Er cor ana tán our mel,

er cor ana seal our mel

er cor ana pále- our kal

ar ullúme ana care us calima

So this gives in Tengwar the text in the image I've joined.

What do you think? Do you have any correction to bring?

I wish you a good day.
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> **username_1**: I don't know enough Quenya to give an actual translation, but that's absolutely not correct: it's got English words interspersed with the Quenya ones. (Also, though, if the goal is to imitate the Ring inscription, that's in Black Speech, not Quenya.)  
> **username_0**: Hi, thanks a lot for your answer. I know the original is in black speech but I wanted a translation in quenya.  
> **username_0**: I propose a new translation : "Er corma an tana- our melmë,  er corma an nut- our melmë  er corma an faina- our cala,  arë illúme an alya- ve cal "  
> **username_0**: Except the our I can't translate correctly. I use this dictionary (since I'm french) : https://www.ambar-eldaron.com/telechargements/quenya-fr-A4.pdf. What do you think?  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2024-01-29. Score: 5 | Accepted answer

I don't know where you got those "Quenya" lines but they look suspiciously like from a certain broken machine translator which is absolutely not helpful.

I'd use *corma* for "ring" - *[cor](https://pfstrack.github.io/eldamo/content/words/word-1597654623.html)* would be Sindarin. (cf. *[Cormacolindor](https://pfstrack.github.io/eldamo/content/words/word-1088830607.html)* "Ring-bearers")

*Er corma* "One ring" sounds about right.

Now "to show" is to explain the purpose or attribute of "One ring". AFAIK, the only known sample from the corpus that comes close is

> *[Vanda sina termaruva Elenna-nóreo alcar enyalien](https://pfstrack.github.io/eldamo/content/words/word-3949536831.html)*
>
> Oath this stand-FUT Star-wards-land-GEN glory **recall-GERUND-DATIVE**.
>
> "This oath shall stand **in memory of** the glory of the Land of the Star"
> Or literally "This oath shall stand **for the recalling of/to recall** ..."

This would lead to: *Er corma tanien* .

\*\**mel* from your translation would be the bare stem of the verb "to love". No, you can't use a verb here, let alone its stem. The noun is *melme*.

So depending on who WE are, our love can be translated:

> *melmelva* "our love (mine, yours, and others')"
>
> *melmelma* "our love (ours, not yours)"

Or let's say it should be:

> *melmenqua* "our love (between you and me, the two of us)"

The first line would then be:

> *Er corma tanien melmenqua.*

the third:

> *Er corma palien calanqua.*

And The fourth:

> *ar ullume carien inque calima*
>
> and forever make-GERUND-DATIVE us/thee-and-me bright

Or:

> *ar ullume calimatien inque*
>
> and forever bright-CAUSATIVE-GERUND-DATIVE us/thee-and-me

The second line is tricky because I can't find a word for "seal". Maybe you can find a replacement with a real [dictionary](https://pfstrack.github.io/eldamo/content/search/search.html).

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Alternatively, instead of using the dative form of a gerund, you can use a relative clause, which is far better attested in Quenya.

> *Er corma i tana melmenqua* One ring that shows our love.
>
> ??
>
> *Er corma i palya calanqua* One ring that spreads our light
>
> *Ar ullume calmata inque* ~

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I found a fan-coined verb \*[lihta](https://www.elfdict.com/w/lihta-)- "to seal" (from líco "wax"), it looks OK, IMO.

The second line can therefore be either:

> *Er corma lihtien melmenqua*

or

> *Er corma i lihta melmenqua*


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