<p>No it is a separate deposit which will be returned when the pool is retired.</p>

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2021-08-27T09:49:40.943Z
So to clarify it does not count towards the total staked amount of the stake pool? That's disappointing. I have more than enough to cover it but it would definitely reduce my total stake substantially and hinder my ability to mint blocks.
micwallace
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2021-08-27T09:55:23.527Z
That is correct. You will need around 1 million staked to average 1 block per epoch. There will be many epochs with zero, 2 and even 3 but it will average.
WCat
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2021-08-27T10:09:31.387Z
Haha well I have nowhere near that amount! I've read that a block can net around 1000 ADA or more depending on fees in the block. I only have a couple of thousand ADA. With the staking rewards I currently get can I deduce the probability of minting a block? Say if I get 100ADA/year, could I deduce that with my stake alone I would have to run a pool for up to 10 years to mint a single block?
micwallace
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2021-08-27T10:12:59.263Z
Something along those lines. pool operator rewards on one block with 340 and 1% is around 380 ada. Luck is a factor as well. If I make 3 when I should make one I get more.
WCat
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2021-08-27T10:23:53.563Z
Yeah so it's more or less like trying to mine proof of work coins solo, you may get one in the end but you'll need to wait a lot of time and spend a lot of money to do so. And it won't even cover the 10-15k of server costs you spend doing it haha. Damn well that puts that dream to bed. If only I had a few friends with a million ADA!
micwallace
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2021-08-27T10:27:56.660Z
Theres a cheaper way! armada-alliance.com. So cheap you can run an active relay and learn how to use the software for around $150
WCat
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2021-08-27T10:43:21.457Z
That's really interesting, I'll look into it. I guess there key here is I'm going to have to attract as many delegates as possible, maybe I'll reach out to a few forums and see if I can attract people who want to join a fixed fee only pool or start a community pool. Thanks so much for your help mate, it's people like you that make the cardano community great!
micwallace
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2021-08-27T09:38:52.410Z
2021-08-27T09:38:52.410Z
WCat
<p>Does the staking pool deposit of 500ADA count towards the total stake of the pool, or is it a separate deposit that does not count towards the total stake?</p>

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2021-08-27T21:40:58.853Z
I would recommend expanding the text in your question's body.
Nike Dattani
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2021-08-27T21:41:06.923Z
Please clarify your specific problem or provide additional details to highlight exactly what you need. As it's currently written, it's hard to tell exactly what you're asking.
Community
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2021-08-30T05:50:10.867Z
Thanks, I have worded it a little better.
micwallace
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Does the staking pool deposit of 500ADA count towards the stake?
# Does the staking pool deposit of 500ADA count towards the stake?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-08-27)

Does the staking pool deposit of 500ADA count towards the total stake of the pool, or is it a separate deposit that does not count towards the total stake?

**Tags:** stake-pool
> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: I would recommend expanding the text in your question's body.  
> **username_2**: Please clarify your specific problem or provide additional details to highlight exactly what you need. As it's currently written, it's hard to tell exactly what you're asking.  
> **username_0**: Thanks, I have worded it a little better.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2021-08-27. Score: 6 | Accepted answer

No it is a separate deposit which will be returned when the pool is retired.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: So to clarify it does not count towards the total staked amount of the stake pool? That's disappointing. I have more than enough to cover it but it would definitely reduce my total stake substantially and hinder my ability to mint blocks.  
> **username_3**: That is correct. You will need around 1 million staked to average 1 block per epoch. There will be many epochs with zero, 2 and even 3 but it will average.  
> **username_0**: Haha well I have nowhere near that amount! I've read that a block can net around 1000 ADA or more depending on fees in the block. I only have a couple of thousand ADA. With the staking rewards I currently get can I deduce the probability of minting a block? Say if I get 100ADA/year, could I deduce that with my stake alone I would have to run a pool for up to 10 years to mint a single block?  
> **username_3**: Something along those lines. pool operator rewards on one block with 340 and 1% is around 380 ada. Luck is a factor as well. If I make 3 when I should make one I get more.  
> **username_0**: Yeah so it's more or less like trying to mine proof of work coins solo, you may get one in the end but you'll need to wait a lot of time and spend a lot of money to do so. And it won't even cover the 10-15k of server costs you spend doing it haha. Damn well that puts that dream to bed. If only I had a few friends with a million ADA!  
> **username_3**: Theres a cheaper way! armada-alliance.com. So cheap you can run an active relay and learn how to use the software for around $150  
> **username_0**: That's really interesting, I'll look into it. I guess there key here is I'm going to have to attract as many delegates as possible, maybe I'll reach out to a few forums and see if I can attract people who want to join a fixed fee only pool or start a community pool. Thanks so much for your help mate, it's people like you that make the cardano community great!  

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