<p>The important thing to realise is that <em>pinyin</em> descriptions of characters representing ancient words are prescriptive in accordance to ancient literature. This means that as long as you have the ancient text to back up your pronunciation, it makes no sense to question your choice.</p>

<p>The first step is to determine what <strong>汎</strong> actually means in this context. Remember that characters are not the same as (spoken) words; one word can potentially be represented by a multitude of characters. In this specific <em>Analects</em> quote, <a href="http://ctext.org/analects/xue-er?searchu=%E5%AD%90%E6%9B%B0%EF%BC%9A%E2%80%9C%E5%BC%9F%E5%AD%90%E5%85%A5%E5%89%87%E5%AD%9D%EF%BC%8C%E5%87%BA%E5%89%87%E5%BC%9F%EF%BC%8C%E8%AC%B9%E8%80%8C%E4%BF%A1%EF%BC%8C%E6%B1%8E%E6%84%9B%E7%9C%BE%EF%BC%8C%E8%80%8C%E8%A6%AA%E4%BB%81%E3%80%82" rel="nofollow noreferrer">ctext</a> gives a vernacular translation of 汎 as <strong>廣</strong> (<em>broad</em>), and an English translation by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Legge" rel="nofollow noreferrer">James Legge</a> as <em>overflowing</em>.</p>

<p>The second step is to find written records of <em><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanqie" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Fanqie decompositions</a></em> of this character, which will tell you how to pronounce it. The site that you linked in your question, zdic, normally has a Kangxi dictionary section for any character that you look up. For <a href="http://www.zdic.net/z/1c/kx/6C4E.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer">汎</a>, we can see that several <em>Fanqie</em> decompositions, along with the meaning of the character for that particular decomposition, have been given:</p>

<ol>
<li><p>《集韻》竝孚梵切，音氾。</p>

<ul>
<li>《說文》浮貌。一曰任風波自縱也。</li>
<li>又汎灑也。</li>
<li>又《揚子·方言》汎剽，輕也。</li>
</ul></li>
<li><p>又《廣韻》房戎切《集韻》《韻會》符風切《正韻》扶中切，竝音馮。</p>

<ul>
<li>亦浮也。</li>
</ul></li>
<li><p>又《集韻》扶法切，音乏。</p>

<ul>
<li>汎，聲微小貌。</li>
<li>一曰波急聲。</li>
<li>《玉篇》同渢，今爲汎濫字，通作泛。</li>
</ul></li>
</ol>

<p>So, the total options for pronunciation of 汎, as given by the Kangxi Dictionary, are:</p>

<ol>
<li><p>Pronounce it like the character <strong>氾</strong>, which could mean</p>

<ul>
<li>The appearance of floating, extended to mean <em>going with the flow</em>;</li>
<li><strong>Overflowing</strong> (this matches James Legge's translation);</li>
<li>Gentle, swift, nimble.</li>
</ul></li>
<li><p>Pronounce it like <strong>馮</strong>, which could mean</p>

<ul>
<li>Float</li>
</ul></li>
<li><p>Pronounce it like <strong>乏</strong>, which could mean</p>

<ul>
<li>Small, quiet sounds;</li>
<li>The sound of rushing waves;</li>
<li>Same as <strong>渢</strong> (float). (The rest of the line says that the meaning <em>flood; overflowing</em> is contemporaneously written as <strong>泛</strong>. This usually means that by the time of this reference, the meaning <em>flood, overflowing</em> is no longer associated with the character, and the pronunciation bound to this meaning is also dropped.)</li>
</ul></li>
</ol>

<p>From these given examples, the best choice is to pronounce it like <strong>氾</strong>, which itself has multiple pronunciations; but a good dictionary will tell you that 氾 is used as a variant of 泛, which is unambiguously pronounced as <strong>fàn</strong> in the sense of <em>to flood; to overflow</em>.</p>

<p>Most importantly, this only shows that pronouncing it like fàn <em>is not wrong</em>, and does not mean that there aren't other choices available. As long as you can back it up with examples in literature, it cannot be deemed wrong. Unfortunately I could not find an example that shows that it should be pronounced <strong>fà</strong>, but if an example exists, then it is also <em>not wrong</em>.</p>

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<p>I am listening to a recording of the Analects in Mandarin recommended by several of my Chinese friends (so, good quality, I hope). In the 學而第一 there is the saying:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>子曰：「弟子入則孝，出則弟，謹而信，汎愛眾，而親仁</p>
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<p>My inquiry concerns the pronunciation of 汎 here. The recording says fa4 but  <a href="http://www.zdic.net/z/1c/kx/6C4E.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Dictionary</a> only contains fan4。 Unihan, as part of pleco, also lists fa2.</p>

<p>What pronunciation should I use when reciting the Analects in Mandarin?</p>

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Maybe you should purchase some more Pleco dictionaries as my copy gives me 4 different readings: fan4, fa2, feng2, feng3 - each with different meanings of course.
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Pronunciation of 汎 in the Analects
# Pronunciation of 汎 in the Analects

(Asked by: username_0 on 2017-11-21)

I am listening to a recording of the Analects in Mandarin recommended by several of my Chinese friends (so, good quality, I hope). In the 學而第一 there is the saying:

> 子曰：「弟子入則孝，出則弟，謹而信，汎愛眾，而親仁

My inquiry concerns the pronunciation of 汎 here. The recording says fa4 but [Dictionary](http://www.zdic.net/z/1c/kx/6C4E.htm) only contains fan4。 Unihan, as part of pleco, also lists fa2.

What pronunciation should I use when reciting the Analects in Mandarin?

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Maybe you should purchase some more Pleco dictionaries as my copy gives me 4 different readings: fan4, fa2, feng2, feng3 - each with different meanings of course.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2017-11-22. Score: 1 | Accepted answer

The important thing to realise is that *pinyin* descriptions of characters representing ancient words are prescriptive in accordance to ancient literature. This means that as long as you have the ancient text to back up your pronunciation, it makes no sense to question your choice.

The first step is to determine what **汎** actually means in this context. Remember that characters are not the same as (spoken) words; one word can potentially be represented by a multitude of characters. In this specific *Analects* quote, [ctext](http://ctext.org/analects/xue-er?searchu=%E5%AD%90%E6%9B%B0%EF%BC%9A%E2%80%9C%E5%BC%9F%E5%AD%90%E5%85%A5%E5%89%87%E5%AD%9D%EF%BC%8C%E5%87%BA%E5%89%87%E5%BC%9F%EF%BC%8C%E8%AC%B9%E8%80%8C%E4%BF%A1%EF%BC%8C%E6%B1%8E%E6%84%9B%E7%9C%BE%EF%BC%8C%E8%80%8C%E8%A6%AA%E4%BB%81%E3%80%82) gives a vernacular translation of 汎 as **廣** (*broad*), and an English translation by [James Legge](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Legge) as *overflowing*.

The second step is to find written records of *[Fanqie decompositions](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fanqie)* of this character, which will tell you how to pronounce it. The site that you linked in your question, zdic, normally has a Kangxi dictionary section for any character that you look up. For [汎](http://www.zdic.net/z/1c/kx/6C4E.htm), we can see that several *Fanqie* decompositions, along with the meaning of the character for that particular decomposition, have been given:

1. 《集韻》竝孚梵切，音氾。

   * 《說文》浮貌。一曰任風波自縱也。
   * 又汎灑也。
   * 又《揚子·方言》汎剽，輕也。
2. 又《廣韻》房戎切《集韻》《韻會》符風切《正韻》扶中切，竝音馮。

   * 亦浮也。
3. 又《集韻》扶法切，音乏。

   * 汎，聲微小貌。
   * 一曰波急聲。
   * 《玉篇》同渢，今爲汎濫字，通作泛。

So, the total options for pronunciation of 汎, as given by the Kangxi Dictionary, are:

1. Pronounce it like the character **氾**, which could mean

   * The appearance of floating, extended to mean *going with the flow*;
   * **Overflowing** (this matches James Legge's translation);
   * Gentle, swift, nimble.
2. Pronounce it like **馮**, which could mean

   * Float
3. Pronounce it like **乏**, which could mean

   * Small, quiet sounds;
   * The sound of rushing waves;
   * Same as **渢** (float). (The rest of the line says that the meaning *flood; overflowing* is contemporaneously written as **泛**. This usually means that by the time of this reference, the meaning *flood, overflowing* is no longer associated with the character, and the pronunciation bound to this meaning is also dropped.)

From these given examples, the best choice is to pronounce it like **氾**, which itself has multiple pronunciations; but a good dictionary will tell you that 氾 is used as a variant of 泛, which is unambiguously pronounced as **fàn** in the sense of *to flood; to overflow*.

Most importantly, this only shows that pronouncing it like fàn *is not wrong*, and does not mean that there aren't other choices available. As long as you can back it up with examples in literature, it cannot be deemed wrong. Unfortunately I could not find an example that shows that it should be pronounced **fà**, but if an example exists, then it is also *not wrong*.


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