<p>Old Pekin dialect (>50 years ago) pronounce it as <strong>lin(4th tone)</strong> and that might be influencing some other dialects.</p>

<p>I am not sure about the situation in TW, but mandarin standard is <strong>lun(4th tone)</strong> except for 论语, habitually <strong>lun (2nd tone)</strong>. </p>

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Joseph S WU
<p>论 ，there are two tones. second tone and fourth.</p>

<p>Mostly，论 is fourth tone.It is a verb. </p>

<p>e.g.  一概而论、讨论</p>

<p>Only in the situation of 论语 ，论 is the second tone.</p>

<p>论语 is an old book writtern by Confucius‘s students,recording what Confucius said!</p>

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stonecutter
<p>It's the 4th in 一概而论, both regions: </p>

<p>Check. e.g.: </p>

<ul>
<li><p>Mainland: <a href="http://xh.5156edu.com/html4/12340.html">在线新华字典</a> </p></li>
<li><p>Taiwan: <a href="http://dict.revised.moe.edu.tw/cgi-bin/newDict/dict.sh?cond=%A4%40%B7%A7%A6%D3%BD%D7&amp;pieceLen=50&amp;fld=1&amp;cat=&amp;ukey=989037169&amp;serial=1&amp;recNo=44&amp;op=&amp;imgFont=1">教育部重编国语字典</a></p></li>
</ul>

<p>(Both URLs point to the '一概而论' entry)</p>

<p>论 does have a 2nd tone reading, but 论语 seems to be the only where it is used. </p>

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imrek
<p>I"ve been trying to figure out the tones for the character 论. It seems like it is fourth tone in 讨论. However, in something like 一概而论 I'm not entirely sure. Is this a taiwan/Mainland division? Or is it decided on a word by word basis? </p>

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the 论s are both (讨论 and 一概而论) fourth tone....what's the problem?!
Mou某
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I am also curious why the confusion? Which other tone have you encountered?
NS.X.
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You might hear a 轻声 lun in 讨论. That's all I can think of.
Wang Dingwei
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How to pronounce "论"
# How to pronounce "论"

(Asked by: username_0 on 2014-11-27)

I"ve been trying to figure out the tones for the character 论. It seems like it is fourth tone in 讨论. However, in something like 一概而论 I'm not entirely sure. Is this a taiwan/Mainland division? Or is it decided on a word by word basis?

**Tags:** vocabulary, pronunciation
> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: the 论s are both (讨论 and 一概而论) fourth tone....what's the problem?!  
> **username_2**: I am also curious why the confusion? Which other tone have you encountered?  
> **username_3**: You might hear a 轻声 lun in 讨论. That's all I can think of.  

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## 3 answers

### Answer by username_6 on 2014-11-27. Score: 6 | Accepted answer

It's the 4th in 一概而论, both regions:

Check. e.g.:

* Mainland: [在线新华字典](http://xh.5156edu.com/html4/12340.html)
* Taiwan: [教育部重编国语字典](http://dict.revised.moe.edu.tw/cgi-bin/newDict/dict.sh?cond=%A4%40%B7%A7%A6%D3%BD%D7&pieceLen=50&fld=1&cat=&ukey=989037169&serial=1&recNo=44&op=&imgFont=1)

(Both URLs point to the '一概而论' entry)

论 does have a 2nd tone reading, but 论语 seems to be the only where it is used.


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### Answer by username_4 on 2014-11-27. Score: 6

Old Pekin dialect (>50 years ago) pronounce it as **lin(4th tone)** and that might be influencing some other dialects.

I am not sure about the situation in TW, but mandarin standard is **lun(4th tone)** except for 论语, habitually **lun (2nd tone)**.


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### Answer by username_5 on 2014-11-28. Score: 3

论 ，there are two tones. second tone and fourth.

Mostly，论 is fourth tone.It is a verb.

e.g. 一概而论、讨论

Only in the situation of 论语 ，论 is the second tone.

论语 is an old book writtern by Confucius‘s students,recording what Confucius said!


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