<p>豚 is pronounced <em>tun2</em> in Mandarin and <em>tyun4</em> in Cantonese.</p>

<p>The only word I know which still uses it is 海豚 <em>hai3tun2</em> "dolphin". The Japanese reading is <em>ton</em> (on), <em>buta</em> (kun), as I'm sure you know.</p>

<p>豚 was the original character (with the meat radical on the left hand side), while 猪 meant a wild pig (which is suggested by its radical). Japanese borrowings from Chinese happened in waves, as the Chinese language itself changed. Characters which were later supplanted in Chinese were fossilised in Japanese, because they were still current at the time they were borrowed. </p>

<p>This is why Japanese uses characters like 足, 食 and 寝 which have fallen into disuse in modern Mandarin, or lost their identity as free morphemes, or have gained different meanings.</p>

<p>Semantic and lexical divergence from Mandarin is of course also present in Chinese topolects. Hokkien for example, preserves the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokkien#Semantic_differences_between_Hokkien_and_Mandarin">classical character for chopsticks, 箸</a>, which is also still the preferred form in Japanese rather than 筷. Also, see on the same page that 册, whence <em>chaek</em> in Korean, is still current in Hokkien too.</p>

<p>[1] <a href="http://weizhoushiwang.blogbus.com/logs/418660.html">http://weizhoushiwang.blogbus.com/logs/418660.html</a></p>

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箸 as chopsticks looks really nice. Since some say that 者 is a picture of a mulberry tree whhich is used for making paper (and ink through burning the wood). Now, as far as i know 者  is and was used for making chopsticks!!
coobit
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This is an excellent answer!
NS.X.
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Both the question and the answer are brilliant.
deutschZuid
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Also 豚鼠 (guinea pig) in Chinese.
Olle Linge
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If you really want to get into usage, there are less common examples like 豚儿, a term of humility used to refer to one's own son.
deutschZuid
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This is a very useful answer. Thanks for your help.
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jogloran
<p>The Chinese character for pig is 猪 / 豬 (zhu1)</p>

<p>In many Japanese restaurants around Hong Kong I've seen this somewhat different character 豚 which appears to also mean pig.</p>

<p>How would you say it in Mandarin, and how did the japanese come to use this different character?</p>

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The part where you ask for the Mandarin reading is really best served by self-research. However, the second half of your question -- why Japanese uses different characters for certain Chinese concepts -- is a good one.
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How is the Kanji character 豚 related to the chinese 猪 / 豬
# How is the Kanji character 豚 related to the chinese 猪 / 豬

(Asked by: username_0 on 2012-08-01)

The Chinese character for pig is 猪 / 豬 (zhu1)

In many Japanese restaurants around Hong Kong I've seen this somewhat different character 豚 which appears to also mean pig.

How would you say it in Mandarin, and how did the japanese come to use this different character?

**Tags:** etymology, glyph-origin, characters
> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: The part where you ask for the Mandarin reading is really best served by self-research. However, the second half of your question -- why Japanese uses different characters for certain Chinese concepts -- is a good one.  

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### Answer by username_1 on 2012-08-01. Score: 15 | Accepted answer

豚 is pronounced *tun2* in Mandarin and *tyun4* in Cantonese.

The only word I know which still uses it is 海豚 *hai3tun2* "dolphin". The Japanese reading is *ton* (on), *buta* (kun), as I'm sure you know.

豚 was the original character (with the meat radical on the left hand side), while 猪 meant a wild pig (which is suggested by its radical). Japanese borrowings from Chinese happened in waves, as the Chinese language itself changed. Characters which were later supplanted in Chinese were fossilised in Japanese, because they were still current at the time they were borrowed.

This is why Japanese uses characters like 足, 食 and 寝 which have fallen into disuse in modern Mandarin, or lost their identity as free morphemes, or have gained different meanings.

Semantic and lexical divergence from Mandarin is of course also present in Chinese topolects. Hokkien for example, preserves the [classical character for chopsticks, 箸](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hokkien#Semantic_differences_between_Hokkien_and_Mandarin), which is also still the preferred form in Japanese rather than 筷. Also, see on the same page that 册, whence *chaek* in Korean, is still current in Hokkien too.

[1] <http://weizhoushiwang.blogbus.com/logs/418660.html>

> **Comments:**
> **username_3**: This is an excellent answer!  
> **username_4**: Both the question and the answer are brilliant.  
> **username_5**: Also 豚鼠 (guinea pig) in Chinese.  
> **username_4**: If you really want to get into usage, there are less common examples like 豚儿, a term of humility used to refer to one's own son.  
> **username_0**: This is a very useful answer. Thanks for your help.  
> **username_2**: 箸 as chopsticks looks really nice. Since some say that 者 is a picture of a mulberry tree whhich is used for making paper (and ink through burning the wood). Now, as far as i know 者  is and was used for making chopsticks!!  

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