<p>In essence, palatalisation of the alveolar fricative and affricate consonants occurs before front rounded vowels /y/, /œ/ and /ɵ/, with the effect strongest with /y/. It is weakly palatalised in front of /œ/ and /ɵ/, to much less of an extent than Mandarin Pinyin j-, q-, x-; however, there is some variation among speakers. See Matthews &amp; Yip (2014) <em>Cantonese: A Comprehensive Grammar</em>, <a href="https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bRCsAgAAQBAJ&amp;pg=PA474" rel="noreferrer">page 474</a>, as well as <a href="https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;id=uys1QNq4t-AC&amp;pg=PA88" rel="noreferrer">this article</a> from Zee (1997).</p>

<p>It <em>used</em> to occur with the front unrounded vowel /i/ as well: see the entry of palatalization in <a href="https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;id=DTtyU2CC-B8C&amp;oi=fnd&amp;pg=PA545#v=onepage&amp;q&amp;f=false" rel="noreferrer">Bauer &amp; Benedict (1997)</a>, so I'd imagine some of the older generation would preserve this form of allophony. I'm not sure if there's anything in the literature as to variation in this part of diachronic Cantonese phonology!</p>

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<p>I would like to understand the difference in distribution between the alveolar consonants s, ts, tsʰ and the alveolo-palatal consonants ɕ, tɕ, tɕʰ in Cantonese. One source told me that the postalveolars are only used before i, y, and œ and alveolars everywhere else. I listened to a few sound clips to see if this was true and I found some conflicting evidence in these examples. </p>

<p>凈 [tsɪŋ]
傷 [sœːŋ]
坐 [tɕʰɔː] </p>

<p>Is there any set of rules that fully describes where sound is used? Also, how much variation is there among individual speakers? </p>

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I recommend this site [粵語審音配詞字庫](http://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/Lexis/lexi-can/) maintained by CUHK. This source is quite reliable. You can hear how characters are pronounced. PS: Only traditional Chinese characters are accepted by this site.
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Difference between alveolars and alveolo-palatals in Cantonese
# Difference between alveolars and alveolo-palatals in Cantonese

(Asked by: username_0 on 2015-01-26)

I would like to understand the difference in distribution between the alveolar consonants s, ts, tsʰ and the alveolo-palatal consonants ɕ, tɕ, tɕʰ in Cantonese. One source told me that the postalveolars are only used before i, y, and œ and alveolars everywhere else. I listened to a few sound clips to see if this was true and I found some conflicting evidence in these examples.

凈 [tsɪŋ]
傷 [sœːŋ]
坐 [tɕʰɔː]

Is there any set of rules that fully describes where sound is used? Also, how much variation is there among individual speakers?

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: I recommend this site [粵語審音配詞字庫](http://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/Lexis/lexi-can/) maintained by CUHK. This source is quite reliable. You can hear how characters are pronounced. PS: Only traditional Chinese characters are accepted by this site.  

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### Answer by username_2 on 2015-01-26. Score: 6

In essence, palatalisation of the alveolar fricative and affricate consonants occurs before front rounded vowels /y/, /œ/ and /ɵ/, with the effect strongest with /y/. It is weakly palatalised in front of /œ/ and /ɵ/, to much less of an extent than Mandarin Pinyin j-, q-, x-; however, there is some variation among speakers. See Matthews & Yip (2014) *Cantonese: A Comprehensive Grammar*, [page 474](https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=bRCsAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA474), as well as [this article](https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=uys1QNq4t-AC&pg=PA88) from Zee (1997).

It *used* to occur with the front unrounded vowel /i/ as well: see the entry of palatalization in [Bauer & Benedict (1997)](https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=DTtyU2CC-B8C&oi=fnd&pg=PA545#v=onepage&q&f=false), so I'd imagine some of the older generation would preserve this form of allophony. I'm not sure if there's anything in the literature as to variation in this part of diachronic Cantonese phonology!


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