<p>In general:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>When <strong>给</strong> is placed before a verb, it means '<strong>for</strong>'. And it has a 'demanding or asserted tone' to it.</p>
</blockquote>

<p><strong>给</strong>我打!= Beat (him) for me!</p>

<p><strong>给</strong>他送 = give/ send (it) <strong>for</strong> him</p>

<p><strong>给</strong>我证明 = prove (it) <strong>for</strong> me</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>When <strong>给</strong> is placed after a verb, it means '<strong>to</strong>'</p>
</blockquote>

<p>送<strong>给</strong>她 = give/send (it) <strong>to</strong> her</p>

<p>证明<strong>给</strong>我看 = prove (it) <strong>to</strong> me</p>

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<p>给X is the Chinese version of accusative or dative case.  给X indicates X is passive, not active. Before or after a verb, it just shifts the action away from X. Otherwise, X would somehow also seem active and you may end up with a nonsense sentence.</p>

<p>What happens if you don't use it?  </p>

<p>给他打电话 give <strong>him</strong> a call<br>
打给他电话 give <strong>him</strong> a call<br>
他打电话 <strong>he</strong> calls</p>

<p>给他送 send <strong>him</strong>/give <strong>him</strong><br>
他送 <strong>he</strong> sends/gives</p>

<p>她试图给他剪指甲，他不让。 She tried to cut his fingernails but he didn't let her.  </p>

<p>(In German that would be: Sie wollte <strong>ihm</strong> die Fingernägel schneiden, doch er ließ sie nicht. 'ihm' is the dative case of German 'er' = 'he', corresponding to Old English 'him' and Modern English 'him')  </p>

<p>她试图他剪指甲，他不让。 *She tried he/him cut his fingernails, ....</p>

<p>证明<strong>给我</strong>看 We could translate: Prove it <strong>to me</strong>. German: Beweis es <strong>mir</strong>. 'mir' is the dative case of 'me' in German. </p>

<p>But I think this really says: 证明给我看 Proof let me see. / Give me proof to see. / Let me see (some) proof.</p>

<p>As Modern English has lost most of the case system that Old English had, it bypasses that using a prepositional phrase sometimes. I wouldn't just generalize and say 给X is 'to X' or 'for X'. That won't work in many cases.</p>

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Doesn't seem to answer the question. The person wants to know when the 给X comes before the verb and when it comes after.
Stumpy Joe Pete
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You are right, but I don't think there is an answer. You can write: 给他打电话 or 打给他电话 Since both have the same meaning, what rule will you propose to explain such expressions? The point is '给他‘ is passively being done to, whereas  '他’ is active.
Pedroski
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There are some circumstances when either is permitted. There are some circumstances where 给XV is required or  V给X is required. I think the question is about determining which circumstances are which.
Stumpy Joe Pete
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Then there is: 给他电话 give him the phone. Chinese syntax is not simple!
Pedroski
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Pedroski
<p>If there is a more general principle at work here, I'd love to know, so I can find more resources. For many verbs, if there's an object, you use 给 beforehand.</p>

<p>给他打电话</p>

<p>For some, you can do it before or after</p>

<pre><code>给他送

送给她
</code></pre>

<p>The other day in class, I tried to say</p>

<pre><code>给我证明
</code></pre>

<p>and was told I should have said</p>

<pre><code>证明给我看
</code></pre>

<p>I'm not doubting my teacher, I'm just trying to find a bit more rhyme and reason to how objects works.</p>

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what is the English phrase supposed to be? 给我证明 can be followed by the fact that is to be proved e.g. 地球是圆的，证明给我看  is a complete sentence (prove it to me) and it also is a pivotal sentence (兼语句） 我 being simultaneously the object of the first predicate 证明给 and subject of the second predicate 看, （more examples of pivotal sentences: 老师叫我们念课文，他请我去）（putting 给 in front would give ＊ 给我看证明 or ＊给我看证明看 which violate the structure of pivotal sentences)
user6065
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When does 给 object come before a verb, and when does it come after?
# When does 给 object come before a verb, and when does it come after?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2017-05-03)

If there is a more general principle at work here, I'd love to know, so I can find more resources. For many verbs, if there's an object, you use 给 beforehand.
给他打电话
For some, you can do it before or after
给他送

送给她

The other day in class, I tried to say
给我证明

and was told I should have said
证明给我看

I'm not doubting my teacher, I'm just trying to find a bit more rhyme and reason to how objects works.

**Tags:** grammar, mandarin
> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: what is the English phrase supposed to be? 给我证明 can be followed by the fact that is to be proved e.g. 地球是圆的，证明给我看  is a complete sentence (prove it to me) and it also is a pivotal sentence (兼语句） 我 being simultaneously the object of the first predicate 证明给 and subject of the second predicate 看, （more examples of pivotal sentences: 老师叫我们念课文，他请我去）（putting 给 in front would give ＊ 给我看证明 or ＊给我看证明看 which violate the structure of pivotal sentences)  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2017-05-03. Score: 2

In general:

> When **给** is placed before a verb, it means '**for**'. And it has a 'demanding or asserted tone' to it.

**给**我打!= Beat (him) for me!

**给**他送 = give/ send (it) **for** him

**给**我证明 = prove (it) **for** me

> When **给** is placed after a verb, it means '**to**'

送**给**她 = give/send (it) **to** her

证明**给**我看 = prove (it) **to** me


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### Answer by username_3 on 2017-05-03. Score: 0

给X is the Chinese version of accusative or dative case. 给X indicates X is passive, not active. Before or after a verb, it just shifts the action away from X. Otherwise, X would somehow also seem active and you may end up with a nonsense sentence.

What happens if you don't use it?

给他打电话 give **him** a call  
打给他电话 give **him** a call  
他打电话 **he** calls

给他送 send **him**/give **him**  
他送 **he** sends/gives

她试图给他剪指甲，他不让。 She tried to cut his fingernails but he didn't let her.

(In German that would be: Sie wollte **ihm** die Fingernägel schneiden, doch er ließ sie nicht. 'ihm' is the dative case of German 'er' = 'he', corresponding to Old English 'him' and Modern English 'him')

她试图他剪指甲，他不让。 \*She tried he/him cut his fingernails, ....

证明**给我**看 We could translate: Prove it **to me**. German: Beweis es **mir**. 'mir' is the dative case of 'me' in German.

But I think this really says: 证明给我看 Proof let me see. / Give me proof to see. / Let me see (some) proof.

As Modern English has lost most of the case system that Old English had, it bypasses that using a prepositional phrase sometimes. I wouldn't just generalize and say 给X is 'to X' or 'for X'. That won't work in many cases.

> **Comments:**
> **username_4**: Doesn't seem to answer the question. The person wants to know when the 给X comes before the verb and when it comes after.  
> **username_3**: You are right, but I don't think there is an answer. You can write: 给他打电话 or 打给他电话 Since both have the same meaning, what rule will you propose to explain such expressions? The point is '给他‘ is passively being done to, whereas  '他’ is active.  
> **username_4**: There are some circumstances when either is permitted. There are some circumstances where 给XV is required or  V给X is required. I think the question is about determining which circumstances are which.  
> **username_3**: Then there is: 给他电话 give him the phone. Chinese syntax is not simple!  

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