<p>答案已经在你给的链接中 <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-cn/%E6%8B%9B%E5%AD%90%E5%BA%B8" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-cn/%E6%8B%9B%E5%AD%90%E5%BA%B8</a> 明确给出了，可能你没发现。</p>
<p><a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-cn/%E6%8B%9B%E5%AD%90%E5%BA%B8" rel="nofollow noreferrer">招子庸</a> 链接中提到：</p>
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<p>1992年，学者Peter T. Morris亦再将招子庸的《粤讴》译为英文，收录97首粤讴，在香港大学出版社出版了《Cantonese Love Songs: An English translation of <strong>Jiu Ji-yung</strong>'s Cantonese songs of the early 19th century》一书</p>
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<p>I think render  招子庸's name in English should be <code>Jiu Ji-yung</code>.</p>

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I am also seeing "Jiu Ji-yung (招子庸, 1786–1847)" in Yeung's paper on the "Cantophone," as he calls it.
Mou某
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@Mou某  What is "Yeung" and "Cantophone" in your comment about ""Jiu Ji-yung (招子庸, 1786–1847)" in Yeung's paper on the "Cantophone,""?
Tom
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Tom
<p>I am looking for the most accepted way of rendering <a href="https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-cn/%E6%8B%9B%E5%AD%90%E5%BA%B8" rel="nofollow noreferrer">招子庸</a>'s name into English. There seems to be some discrepancies:</p>
<ul>
<li>Chiu Tsz-yung (In <a href="https://archive.org/details/cantoneseloveson0000ceci/page/n7/mode/2up?view=theater" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Cecil Clementi's translation</a>)</li>
<li>Chao Tzu-yung (In <a href="https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&amp;lr=&amp;id=JfQ8wRWpQnAC&amp;oi=fnd&amp;pg=PA231&amp;dq=topolectical%20literature&amp;ots=5GlXi8x3V5&amp;sig=v8slaIyXm_NnbvgvWyfgKNE392E&amp;redir_esc=y#v=onepage&amp;q=topolectical%20literature&amp;f=false" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Victor Mair's paper</a>)</li>
<li>Ziyong Zhao (<a href="https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=718ef8e26346b19d&amp;sxsrf=ADLYWIKt3QEAN-kxKhKnZckNtMy_bAGd7g:1730887221714&amp;q=Ziyong%20Zhao&amp;si=ACC90nw96uIQFGxyiEtWoHriljyESswGU-HmLlv1H2z9Ug1K8YDggxt2b9uC0GjUNiRb3Pyz5ouso4W4ug3jCvqfcL2pgWUjn9J7XL-XrMsac8662Bhw5muH5isDbjPLSPMmaGo3_XdUU6lP4zoIno2SmxNRX3XB51fjxvmtAX1D955J5Eai9DzZNHn_3_URLZiJQUn374K4ejLGWIIlKt88tUq9YlCKIhPzIRFwJTVgtdIgfNP1SSjp2G-jTN_y5MeSVGsmAyKH&amp;sa=X&amp;ved=2ahUKEwjBj_yvuceJAxXtWUEAHQKtHeIQ6RN6BAgaEAE&amp;biw=1151&amp;bih=662&amp;dpr=2" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Google's (autogenerated(?)) translation</a>)</li>
</ul>
<p>Mandarin conventions would probably have it as Zhao Ziyong. Modern Cantonese conventions might have as Ziu Zi-jung (that doesn't seem right?).</p>
<p>I'm lost. What is the most common modern English rendition of his name?</p>

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2024-11-06T20:57:02.597Z
Depending on your audience, Ziu Zi-jung is fine for Cantonese readers as it is the Cantonese pronunciation of 招子庸.
r13
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There is no "most common" so far, as his name only occurs in a handful of mostly linguistics papers. As the English-speaking/writing (linguistics/scholastic) audience becomes more familiar with the history of Cantonese writing, there may be a standard that emerges, or other factors may interact to reach a standard, or indeed no standard emerges.
Michaelyus
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Rendering 招子庸‘s name into English?
# Rendering 招子庸‘s name into English?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2024-11-06)

I am looking for the most accepted way of rendering [招子庸](https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-cn/%E6%8B%9B%E5%AD%90%E5%BA%B8)'s name into English. There seems to be some discrepancies:

* Chiu Tsz-yung (In [Cecil Clementi's translation](https://archive.org/details/cantoneseloveson0000ceci/page/n7/mode/2up?view=theater))
* Chao Tzu-yung (In [Victor Mair's paper](https://books.google.co.uk/books?hl=en&lr=&id=JfQ8wRWpQnAC&oi=fnd&pg=PA231&dq=topolectical%20literature&ots=5GlXi8x3V5&sig=v8slaIyXm_NnbvgvWyfgKNE392E&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=topolectical%20literature&f=false))
* Ziyong Zhao ([Google's (autogenerated(?)) translation](https://www.google.com/search?sca_esv=718ef8e26346b19d&sxsrf=ADLYWIKt3QEAN-kxKhKnZckNtMy_bAGd7g:1730887221714&q=Ziyong%20Zhao&si=ACC90nw96uIQFGxyiEtWoHriljyESswGU-HmLlv1H2z9Ug1K8YDggxt2b9uC0GjUNiRb3Pyz5ouso4W4ug3jCvqfcL2pgWUjn9J7XL-XrMsac8662Bhw5muH5isDbjPLSPMmaGo3_XdUU6lP4zoIno2SmxNRX3XB51fjxvmtAX1D955J5Eai9DzZNHn_3_URLZiJQUn374K4ejLGWIIlKt88tUq9YlCKIhPzIRFwJTVgtdIgfNP1SSjp2G-jTN_y5MeSVGsmAyKH&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjBj_yvuceJAxXtWUEAHQKtHeIQ6RN6BAgaEAE&biw=1151&bih=662&dpr=2))

Mandarin conventions would probably have it as Zhao Ziyong. Modern Cantonese conventions might have as Ziu Zi-jung (that doesn't seem right?).

I'm lost. What is the most common modern English rendition of his name?

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Depending on your audience, Ziu Zi-jung is fine for Cantonese readers as it is the Cantonese pronunciation of 招子庸.  
> **username_2**: There is no "most common" so far, as his name only occurs in a handful of mostly linguistics papers. As the English-speaking/writing (linguistics/scholastic) audience becomes more familiar with the history of Cantonese writing, there may be a standard that emerges, or other factors may interact to reach a standard, or indeed no standard emerges.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2024-11-06. Score: 1 | Accepted answer

答案已经在你给的链接中 <https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-cn/%E6%8B%9B%E5%AD%90%E5%BA%B8> 明确给出了，可能你没发现。

[招子庸](https://zh.wikipedia.org/zh-cn/%E6%8B%9B%E5%AD%90%E5%BA%B8) 链接中提到：

> 1992年，学者Peter T. Morris亦再将招子庸的《粤讴》译为英文，收录97首粤讴，在香港大学出版社出版了《Cantonese Love Songs: An English translation of **Jiu Ji-yung**'s Cantonese songs of the early 19th century》一书

I think render 招子庸's name in English should be `Jiu Ji-yung`.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: I am also seeing "Jiu Ji-yung (招子庸, 1786–1847)" in Yeung's paper on the "Cantophone," as he calls it.  
> **username_3**: @Mou某  What is "Yeung" and "Cantophone" in your comment about ""Jiu Ji-yung (招子庸, 1786–1847)" in Yeung's paper on the "Cantophone,""?  

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