<p>I presume 司言 is a name.</p>
<p>派 in 开宗立派 is not referred to as &quot;political group&quot; (政治派系). but a  &quot;school of/ style &quot; (門派)</p>
<p>Literal translation: &quot;I, Si Yan, established this school/ style till today</p>
<ul>
<li><p>宗派 mostly refers to a branch of religion, e.g. 遜尼派 (Sunni)</p>
</li>
<li><p>派 mostly refers to a martial art style, e.g. 詠春派 (Wing Chun Style)</p>
</li>
</ul>
<p>Using it metaphorically to describe a  &quot;political group&quot; is kind of fitting, since there is a lot of similarities between a political group and a school of martial art (there are leaders and followers, and they all work toward the same ideal) Therefore,  &quot;I, Si Yin, established a political party until now&quot;. would be correct if it really was a political group and not a school of martial art</p>

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Thank for your answer!
But now i have another question , the sentence doesn't have a Verb1 Object2 Verb2 Object2 structure as 开 V1 with 宗 O1 and 立 V2 with 派 O2 ??
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@Eduardo S 开宗立派 = 开立(v - start and  establish) + 宗派(n - school of style).
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<p>&quot;宗&quot;, &quot;派&quot; both mean &quot;a main branch of the under-word society (武林, 江湖, 黑社會), the equivalent in English is the &quot;Family&quot; (Mafia Family), or &quot;cult&quot;.</p>
<p>开宗立派 - Creating, building and controlling the family.</p>
<p><strong>Response to Comments:</strong></p>
<p>在中國, &quot;宗&quot;, &quot;派&quot;一般指門派 - such as 少林,武當,崑崙,峨嵋,密宗, all are related to 宗派 or 教派 (佛教,道教,喇嘛教), and have inseparable connections to 武林 and 江湖. For example - 武當開山祖&quot;张三丰&quot;.同時也是中國武學的鼻祖;又如,少林派創少林拳,十八銅人陣...門派 also includes 幫派 (gangs - such as 青幫, 洪幫, 丐幫, 鹽幫...), and 教派 (such as 白蓮教, 日月教-魔教 and most recently - 法轮功).</p>
<p>Most of the above are cult-like, or clan-like groups, they are/were quite active in the &quot;underworld - 武林, 江湖&quot;; also, similar to the mafia, some (幫派) are/were very active in the gang-world (黑社會), though their activities and actions can be referred to as &quot; both good and evil (亦正亦邪)&quot;.</p>
<p>My answer has omitted 派系 in the political (黨派) and entertainment (流派) arenas. The former is too board to cover (古自法家道家,今至共產民主之爭!); the latter concerns the different styles of signing and expressions in the Ancient Chinese Musical/Opera, such as &quot;程派艺术&quot;, 以程砚秋為其(开宗立派)创始人(宗師), and &quot;梅派唱腔&quot;, 以梅兰芳為其(开宗立派)起始人(宗師). Again, this is too board to be adequately covered in here.</p>

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<p>I don't think 派 is necessarily 黑社会帮派。</p>
<p>出现了开宗立派的专业画家、书法家。<br />
A number of virtuosos emerged in Chinese calligraphy and painting.</p>
<p>清代铁岭籍画家高其佩被公认为指画开宗立派的创始人。<br />
Gao Qipei, a painter from Tieling in the Qing Dynasty, is recognized as the founder of the  School of Finger Painting.</p>
<p>So I, Pedroski, without further context, would translate:</p>
<p>我司言开宗立派到如今。<br />
I, Si Yan, founded a school （of thought or whatever） which still exists today.</p>
<p>PS: 司言 was a job title （唐代官职）</p>
<p>司言，读音sī yán，汉语词语，意思是担任中书舍人。</p>

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Pedroski
<p>The sentence is:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>我司言开宗立派到如今。</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I translated this as &quot;I 司言 started a school and established a political group until now&quot;.</p>
<p>I already tried with online translators but they all gave me different meanings.</p>

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Correct translation of 我司言开宗立派到如今
# Correct translation of 我司言开宗立派到如今

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-12-23)

The sentence is:

> 我司言开宗立派到如今。

I translated this as "I 司言 started a school and established a political group until now".

I already tried with online translators but they all gave me different meanings.

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### Answer by username_1 on 2021-12-23. Score: 1 | Accepted answer

I presume 司言 is a name.

派 in 开宗立派 is not referred to as "political group" (政治派系). but a "school of/ style " (門派)

Literal translation: "I, Si Yan, established this school/ style till today

* 宗派 mostly refers to a branch of religion, e.g. 遜尼派 (Sunni)
* 派 mostly refers to a martial art style, e.g. 詠春派 (Wing Chun Style)

Using it metaphorically to describe a "political group" is kind of fitting, since there is a lot of similarities between a political group and a school of martial art (there are leaders and followers, and they all work toward the same ideal) Therefore, "I, Si Yin, established a political party until now". would be correct if it really was a political group and not a school of martial art

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Thank for your answer! But now i have another question , the sentence doesn't have a Verb1 Object2 Verb2 Object2 structure as 开 V1 with 宗 O1 and 立 V2 with 派 O2 ??  
> **username_1**: @Eduardo S 开宗立派 = 开立(v - start and  establish) + 宗派(n - school of style).  

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### Answer by username_2 on 2021-12-23. Score: 1

"宗", "派" both mean "a main branch of the under-word society (武林, 江湖, 黑社會), the equivalent in English is the "Family" (Mafia Family), or "cult".

开宗立派 - Creating, building and controlling the family.

**Response to Comments:**

在中國, "宗", "派"一般指門派 - such as 少林,武當,崑崙,峨嵋,密宗, all are related to 宗派 or 教派 (佛教,道教,喇嘛教), and have inseparable connections to 武林 and 江湖. For example - 武當開山祖"张三丰".同時也是中國武學的鼻祖;又如,少林派創少林拳,十八銅人陣...門派 also includes 幫派 (gangs - such as 青幫, 洪幫, 丐幫, 鹽幫...), and 教派 (such as 白蓮教, 日月教-魔教 and most recently - 法轮功).

Most of the above are cult-like, or clan-like groups, they are/were quite active in the "underworld - 武林, 江湖"; also, similar to the mafia, some (幫派) are/were very active in the gang-world (黑社會), though their activities and actions can be referred to as " both good and evil (亦正亦邪)".

My answer has omitted 派系 in the political (黨派) and entertainment (流派) arenas. The former is too board to cover (古自法家道家,今至共產民主之爭!); the latter concerns the different styles of signing and expressions in the Ancient Chinese Musical/Opera, such as "程派艺术", 以程砚秋為其(开宗立派)创始人(宗師), and "梅派唱腔", 以梅兰芳為其(开宗立派)起始人(宗師). Again, this is too board to be adequately covered in here.

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Comments are not for extended discussion; this conversation has been [moved to chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/132597/discussion-on-answer-by-r13-correct-translation-of-).  

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### Answer by username_3 on 2021-12-24. Score: 0

I don't think 派 is necessarily 黑社会帮派。

出现了开宗立派的专业画家、书法家。  
A number of virtuosos emerged in Chinese calligraphy and painting.

清代铁岭籍画家高其佩被公认为指画开宗立派的创始人。  
Gao Qipei, a painter from Tieling in the Qing Dynasty, is recognized as the founder of the School of Finger Painting.

So I, Pedroski, without further context, would translate:

我司言开宗立派到如今。  
I, Si Yan, founded a school （of thought or whatever） which still exists today.

PS: 司言 was a job title （唐代官职）

司言，读音sī yán，汉语词语，意思是担任中书舍人。


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