<p>月日 may have different meanings in different context. I guess it just means date.</p>

<p>The literal meaning of 惶恐百拜 is I bow down to your repeatedly with full of fear, but it is just a way to show the respect and submission to someone has a higher rank such as the emperor, your boss or your teacher.</p>

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<p>However, different meanings in different contexts.</p>

<p>According to <a href="http://baike.baidu.com/link?url=-56CYh16l71j-oYkn1nWF5zUuRneEzGzhLSn7AQHmOBHQxVsegCB4cAYL9yDQEIEW8SAdxXgbUmixEa3_gKW-q#2" rel="nofollow">Baidu Baike</a>，there are four meanings about "月日". But in my opinion, it would be explained in five ways.</p>

<p>1)moon and son
It is understood easily and Literally.</p>

<p>2)the day you choose</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>辑五瑞，择吉月日，见四岳诸牧，还瑞。</p>
</blockquote>

<p>Translate into English:
Shun collected the Wurui. Then he chose a good day to meet the offcials and return the Wurui.</p>

<p><a href="http://baike.baidu.com/link?url=qfelnaPkqEOVs2TpHMzkrvsEVs4uf7i6mineGEFUeFlruGog2Gpq0jy7d7E2Nz26r8_D24BGDsLhqNKNMv_p4K#1_1" rel="nofollow">"五瑞(Wurui)" is a thing that offcials would like to wear in ancient.</a> </p>

<p>3)a couple of days</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>伏念臣自蒙恩，改授京官，到今七年，除持服月日外，亦以四年馀两个月。——《求追赠考妣状》</p>
</blockquote>

<p>Translate into English：
Under grace, I have appointed as government official for seven years now. Apart from the time of observe mourning, there are four years and two months。</p>

<p>4)one month </p>

<blockquote>
  <p>自史太公死后，又早过了三四个月日。——《水浒传》</p>
</blockquote>

<p>Translate into English：
It has been three or four months, when Shi was dead.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.zdic.net/c/a/143/313365.htm" rel="nofollow">Old man is referred to "太公" in ancient.</a></p>

<p>5)describe time is short</p>

<blockquote>
  <p><a href="http://www.shici8.com/article_17480.html" rel="nofollow">羣小无知，，故求全月日之命耳。——《魏书·王建传》</a></p>
</blockquote>

<p>Translate into English:
We are weak, and afraid that we will be killed like the people of Canhepo. So we just want to save our short lifes.</p>

<p>Speaking of "惶恐百拜", the phrase was usually divided into two phrases "惶恐" and "百拜", and was used to show your respect for recipient in letter. You can check this article <a href="http://www.docin.com/p-791686610.html" rel="nofollow">《上海图书馆藏明代尺牍》书信用语研究</a>, <a href="https://www.baidu.com/s?ie=utf-8&amp;f=8&amp;rsv_bp=1&amp;tn=93899312_hao_pg&amp;wd=%E9%A1%BF%E9%A6%96%E7%99%BE%E6%8B%9C&amp;oq=%E4%B8%B4%E7%AC%94%E6%83%B6%E6%81%90%2C%E9%A1%BF%E9%A6%96%E7%99%BE%E6%8B%9C!&amp;rsv_pq=bfb5fc62001236a1&amp;rsv_t=4e44wuEphb2rXkfRR3T7G4Q5oFBtckbHfTwHYrnBHMTf8CvzPmTCy4r%2F1ljwsuw%2FDCoKXFXR&amp;rsv_enter=0&amp;inputT=1283&amp;bs=%E4%B8%B4%E7%AC%94%E6%83%B6%E6%81%90%2C%E9%A1%BF%E9%A6%96%E7%99%BE%E6%8B%9C!" rel="nofollow">and also could find "顿首百拜" in many questions</a>.</p>

<p>"惶恐" shows you feel anxious because you afraid of disturbing the recipient. </p>

<p>"百拜" doesn't mean "bow a hundred times" anyway. It looks like "Yours sincerely" and "Best regards" in letter in English. It shows your respect for recipient in the end of the letter.</p>

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Very good answer. But I think 月日 in example 2  just short for "吉月吉日", which means "propitious  month and day" here .
thinwa
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zz22
<p>Are there standard translations for phrases like 月日 and 惶恐百拜, used in correspondence in premodern times? 'A day of a month' and 'I cower fearfully and bow a hundred times' don't really...y'know...WORK in English... -_-;</p>

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In my opinion, literal translation for these phrases is better because the paraphrase version probably cannot convey the cultural thing underneath. Just let it sound exotic.
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Dealing with expressions in classical Chinese letters: 月日 and 惶恐百拜
# Dealing with expressions in classical Chinese letters: 月日 and 惶恐百拜

(Asked by: username_0 on 2016-01-11)

Are there standard translations for phrases like 月日 and 惶恐百拜, used in correspondence in premodern times? 'A day of a month' and 'I cower fearfully and bow a hundred times' don't really...y'know...WORK in English... -\_-;

**Tags:** translation, classical-chinese
> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: In my opinion, literal translation for these phrases is better because the paraphrase version probably cannot convey the cultural thing underneath. Just let it sound exotic.  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2016-01-18. Score: 1 | Accepted answer

月日 may have different meanings in different context. I guess it just means date.

The literal meaning of 惶恐百拜 is I bow down to your repeatedly with full of fear, but it is just a way to show the respect and submission to someone has a higher rank such as the emperor, your boss or your teacher.


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### Answer by username_3 on 2016-01-17. Score: 2

However, different meanings in different contexts.

According to [Baidu Baike](http://baike.baidu.com/link?url=-56CYh16l71j-oYkn1nWF5zUuRneEzGzhLSn7AQHmOBHQxVsegCB4cAYL9yDQEIEW8SAdxXgbUmixEa3_gKW-q#2)，there are four meanings about "月日". But in my opinion, it would be explained in five ways.

1)moon and son
It is understood easily and Literally.

2)the day you choose

> 辑五瑞，择吉月日，见四岳诸牧，还瑞。

Translate into English:
Shun collected the Wurui. Then he chose a good day to meet the offcials and return the Wurui.

["五瑞(Wurui)" is a thing that offcials would like to wear in ancient.](http://baike.baidu.com/link?url=qfelnaPkqEOVs2TpHMzkrvsEVs4uf7i6mineGEFUeFlruGog2Gpq0jy7d7E2Nz26r8_D24BGDsLhqNKNMv_p4K#1_1)

3)a couple of days

> 伏念臣自蒙恩，改授京官，到今七年，除持服月日外，亦以四年馀两个月。——《求追赠考妣状》

Translate into English：
Under grace, I have appointed as government official for seven years now. Apart from the time of observe mourning, there are four years and two months。

4)one month

> 自史太公死后，又早过了三四个月日。——《水浒传》

Translate into English：
It has been three or four months, when Shi was dead.

[Old man is referred to "太公" in ancient.](http://www.zdic.net/c/a/143/313365.htm)

5)describe time is short

> [羣小无知，，故求全月日之命耳。——《魏书·王建传》](http://www.shici8.com/article_17480.html)

Translate into English:
We are weak, and afraid that we will be killed like the people of Canhepo. So we just want to save our short lifes.

Speaking of "惶恐百拜", the phrase was usually divided into two phrases "惶恐" and "百拜", and was used to show your respect for recipient in letter. You can check this article [《上海图书馆藏明代尺牍》书信用语研究](http://www.docin.com/p-791686610.html), [and also could find "顿首百拜" in many questions](https://www.baidu.com/s?ie=utf-8&f=8&rsv_bp=1&tn=93899312_hao_pg&wd=%E9%A1%BF%E9%A6%96%E7%99%BE%E6%8B%9C&oq=%E4%B8%B4%E7%AC%94%E6%83%B6%E6%81%90%2C%E9%A1%BF%E9%A6%96%E7%99%BE%E6%8B%9C!&rsv_pq=bfb5fc62001236a1&rsv_t=4e44wuEphb2rXkfRR3T7G4Q5oFBtckbHfTwHYrnBHMTf8CvzPmTCy4r%2F1ljwsuw%2FDCoKXFXR&rsv_enter=0&inputT=1283&bs=%E4%B8%B4%E7%AC%94%E6%83%B6%E6%81%90%2C%E9%A1%BF%E9%A6%96%E7%99%BE%E6%8B%9C!).

"惶恐" shows you feel anxious because you afraid of disturbing the recipient.

"百拜" doesn't mean "bow a hundred times" anyway. It looks like "Yours sincerely" and "Best regards" in letter in English. It shows your respect for recipient in the end of the letter.

> **Comments:**
> **username_4**: Very good answer. But I think 月日 in example 2  just short for "吉月吉日", which means "propitious  month and day" here .  

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