<p>咸 doesn’t mean salty here.</p>

<p>The word “salty” in traditional Chinese is 鹹. The left component 鹵(lǔ) is pictographic for the halides (actually the halides carried by a pouch). And the right component 咸(xián) is phonetic in this case. So 鹹 pronounced xián.</p>

<p>From traditional to simplified, 鹹 omitted the left component to 咸 retaining the pronunciation. But this character means “all” originally. </p>

<p>减 is irrelevant with any flavor. It is “water” + “all”.</p>

<p>So, you can think about that the water flux takes off a part of all, such as a tiny piece of a big rock in the river. This is reduce/substrate/decrease/diminish.</p>

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<p>I think both "減" and "咸" exists in the ancient times, but for certain reasons scholars like to use "咸" in place of "減".</p>

<p>損也,從水,咸聲 == It has the same meaning as '損', water as glyph component, and the same pronunciation as '咸'.</p>

<p>In 管子·宙合, which was written before the early Han Dynasty, it says "左操五音，右執五味，懷繩與准鉤，多備規軸，<strong>減</strong> 溜大成，是唯時德之節。 .... <strong>減</strong>，盡也。溜，發也。 ...."  </p>

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Good, but what you talk about is in the ancient Chinese in BC, and the examples are almost unable to be understood by persons whose mothertongue is not Chinese.
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<p>So here we have 冫+咸 (or 氵+咸) = 减(減).</p>

<p>减(減) means something along the lines of reduce/subtract/decrease/diminish or what have you. </p>

<p>What has water got to do with this though?</p>

<p>Logically one would imagine 冫 (water) + 咸 (salty) = a reducing of <em>flavor</em>, thus giving reduce/subtract/etc.</p>

<p><strong>ShuoWen: (說文解字):</strong></p>

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  <p>損也從水咸聲</p>
</blockquote>

<p><strong>Chinese Etymology</strong></p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Phonetic Signific, of water 氵水 - can pour out of - decrease</p>
</blockquote>

<p>So what's the deal?</p>

<p>What's going on here?</p>

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My mnemonic is "Ice is *decreased* by salt". Can't say anything about the etymology though.
Roman Reiner
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The origin of the word is the name of a river. Quote from 山海经: 減水出焉北流注于海其中多鱤魚. The meaning of 'reduction' is somehow derived from that but I have no idea why... It may be related to some natural attribute of the river.
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咸 is phonetic in both 減 and 鹹 ‘salty’ (where 鹵 is semantic). It's not _water + salt_, but _water + [phonetic component]_. Think of water running through sand or your hands, or from a basin with a hole in it, gradually diminishing and disappearing. Makes good enough sense to me, at least.
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减/減 (Reduce/Subtract/Decrease/Diminish): What's it got to do with water?
# 减/減 (Reduce/Subtract/Decrease/Diminish): What's it got to do with water?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2014-07-17)

So here we have 冫+咸 (or 氵+咸) = 减(減).

减(減) means something along the lines of reduce/subtract/decrease/diminish or what have you.

What has water got to do with this though?

Logically one would imagine 冫 (water) + 咸 (salty) = a reducing of *flavor*, thus giving reduce/subtract/etc.

**ShuoWen: (說文解字):**

> 損也從水咸聲

**Chinese Etymology**

> Phonetic Signific, of water 氵水 - can pour out of - decrease

So what's the deal?

What's going on here?

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: My mnemonic is "Ice is *decreased* by salt". Can't say anything about the etymology though.  
> **username_2**: The origin of the word is the name of a river. Quote from 山海经: 減水出焉北流注于海其中多鱤魚. The meaning of 'reduction' is somehow derived from that but I have no idea why... It may be related to some natural attribute of the river.  
> **username_3**: 咸 is phonetic in both 減 and 鹹 ‘salty’ (where 鹵 is semantic). It's not _water + salt_, but _water + [phonetic component]_. Think of water running through sand or your hands, or from a basin with a hole in it, gradually diminishing and disappearing. Makes good enough sense to me, at least.  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_5 on 2014-07-17. Score: 3 | Accepted answer

I think both "減" and "咸" exists in the ancient times, but for certain reasons scholars like to use "咸" in place of "減".

損也,從水,咸聲 == It has the same meaning as '損', water as glyph component, and the same pronunciation as '咸'.

In 管子·宙合, which was written before the early Han Dynasty, it says "左操五音，右執五味，懷繩與准鉤，多備規軸，**減** 溜大成，是唯時德之節。 .... **減**，盡也。溜，發也。 ...."

> **Comments:**
> **username_6**: Good, but what you talk about is in the ancient Chinese in BC, and the examples are almost unable to be understood by persons whose mothertongue is not Chinese.  

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### Answer by username_4 on 2018-01-23. Score: -2

咸 doesn’t mean salty here.

The word “salty” in traditional Chinese is 鹹. The left component 鹵(lǔ) is pictographic for the halides (actually the halides carried by a pouch). And the right component 咸(xián) is phonetic in this case. So 鹹 pronounced xián.

From traditional to simplified, 鹹 omitted the left component to 咸 retaining the pronunciation. But this character means “all” originally.

减 is irrelevant with any flavor. It is “water” + “all”.

So, you can think about that the water flux takes off a part of all, such as a tiny piece of a big rock in the river. This is reduce/substrate/decrease/diminish.


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