[00:00] <jeiworth> tzz n00bs
[00:41] <dragonmind> some Ger here?
[01:09] <WalterN> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html
[01:10] <WalterN> going though that
[01:10] <WalterN> the second thing it wants a mail name...
[01:11] <WalterN> the description says 'the mail name is the domain name used to qualify all mail addresses without a domain name'
[01:11] <WalterN> what does that mean?
[01:12] <WalterN> oh, this is in dpkg-reconfigure postfix
[01:16] <JanC> WalterN: the domain that applies to mail addresses with no @something part
[01:16] <WalterN> what if I have more than one domain to be used for email?
[01:17] <JanC> normally that's only used for local mail on the server
[01:18] <WalterN> wait... what?
[01:18] <JanC> did you ever send mail to "walter" instead of<EMAIL_ADDRESS>?  ;)
[01:18] <WalterN> no?
[01:19] <WalterN> never did any of this before
[01:19] <WalterN> as may be obvious
[01:19] <WalterN> (heh)
[01:19] <JanC> the default proposed by dpkg-reconfigure is probably okay then
[01:20] <WalterN> still not sure what its for though..
[01:20] <WalterN> network wide email?
[01:21] <JanC> well, for example many daemons (services) will send mail to "root" or similar accounts when there is an issue
[01:22] <JanC> and you can actually send mail to every local user on the server
[01:22] <WalterN> default is what I named the computer
[01:22] <WalterN> "server"
[01:22] <WalterN> heh
[01:23] <JanC> with this you can what the "complete equivalent" with an @ of the version without @ is
[01:23] <WalterN> the domain I want to use for email is tiwake.com though
[01:23] <JanC> you can probably use that then
[01:23] <pmatulis> JanC: i don't think that example applies.  sending to just a username will default to local accounts.  i think what WalterN is talking about is 'myorigin' (i've never heard of 'mail name')
[01:24] <_Techie_> sorry to pitch in so late in the game
[01:25] <_Techie_> but "the description says 'the mail name is the domain name used to qualify all mail addresses without a domain name'" to me implies, if you send mail from a user without having a masquerade domain assigned, use this domain instead
[01:26] <WalterN> I just put in tiwake.com
[01:27] <WalterN> hmm
[01:27] <JanC> WalterN: that should be okay
[01:28] <WalterN> the next screen says 'mail for the postmaster, root, and other system account needs to be redirected to the user account of the actual system administrator'
[01:29] <_Techie_> make this your username
[01:29] <WalterN> if this value is left empty, such mail will be saved in /var/mail/nobody, which is not recommended
[01:29] <WalterN> hmm
[01:30] <JanC> AFAIK you can put another e-mail account you use there
[01:30] <JanC> I'm not sure how it edits /etc/aliases
[01:31] <JanC> basically, this is where to send mail with errors or warnings about your server
[01:33] <WalterN> oh, ok
[01:33] <WalterN> one of the next screens says...
[01:34] <WalterN> please specify the network blocks for which this host should relay mail. the default is just the local host, which is needed by some mail user agents. the default includes local host for both ipv4 and ipv6.
[01:35] <WalterN> what is that?
[01:35] <JanC> WalterN: most likely you should leave that alone
[01:35] <JanC> WalterN: it means what computers are allowed to send mail through your mail server
[01:36] <JanC> (without authentication etc.)
[01:36] <JanC> normally you don't want random spammers to abuse your server  ;)
[01:37] <WalterN> the default value is a bit different from https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html
[01:37] <WalterN> default is <IP_ADDRESS>/8 [::ffff:<IP_ADDRESS>]/104 [::1]/128
[01:37] <WalterN> that says to use <IP_ADDRESS>/8 [::ffff:<IP_ADDRESS>]/104 [::1]/128 <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[01:37] <JanC> yeah, that's okay, leave of the <IP_ADDRESS>/24 part
[01:38] <WalterN> what does that mean though?
[01:38] <JanC> that's useful if you have a LAN, and want PCs in your LAN to use the mailserver as a relay
[01:38] <WalterN> oh
[01:38] <WalterN> interesting
[01:39] <WalterN> no, I dont think I will ever want to relay
[01:39] <JanC> and of course it only works if your LAN is using <IP_ADDRESS>/24
[01:41] <WalterN> hmm
[01:41] <WalterN> please choose the character that will be used to define a local address extension
[01:41] <WalterN> default is +
[01:43] <WalterN> when is that used?
[01:44] <JanC> WalterN: if you enter "+" there, the mailserver will cut the "+" plus everything after it up to the "@" from the mail address and use what's left as teh account
[01:44] <JanC> so mail for<EMAIL_ADDRESS>will end up in the mailbox of<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[01:45] <WalterN> oOo
[01:45] <WalterN> cool
[01:45] <JanC> some people use that to filter mail, or when ou have to register at soem site, you can see afterwards who that spam is coming from  ;)
[01:47] <JanC> (of course, some spammers know that trick too, by now...)
[01:47] <WalterN> ok, back to the wiki...
[01:47] <WalterN> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html
[01:47] <WalterN> "Now is a good time to decide which mailbox format you want to use. By default Postfix will use mbox for the mailbox format. "
[01:48] <WalterN> what is mbox?
[01:52] <JanC> that will put all mail in a mailbox in one file
[01:52] <JanC> so it's a file format to store mail
[01:53] <WalterN> oh, ok
[01:54] <JanC> the alternative is "maildir", which stores each mail in its own file inside a directory
[01:54] <WalterN> which is preferred?
[01:55] <WalterN> I guess it does not really matter..
[01:55] <WalterN> I'll just leave it I guess
[01:55] <JanC> it might matter depending on what you want to do with that mail
[01:55] <netritious> Hi, recently inherited a Snap Server 4200 I'm trying to install Ubuntu server on. I'm wondering if anyone here has tried such a thing?
[02:03] <tanathos> hello everyone :)
[02:24] <WalterN> ok, I'm at step 2 now..
[02:24] <WalterN> https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/postfix.html#postfix-smtp-authentication
[02:25] <WalterN> ugh, annoying
[02:37] <netritious> WalterN: might help http://tinyurl.com/29am43s
[02:38] <netritious> that is, if you aren't using self-signed certificates
[02:58] <lsmobrian> does anyone know how to login into launchpad using command line.  I enter my username/password however after that theres nothing to do.  "continue" is not a link.  I am using w3m trying to submit some bug info using apport-collect
[03:42] <shauno> lsmobrian: login works normally for me in elinks.  'continue' is a submit button, not a link
[03:45] <lsmobrian> Ill give elinks a try (as well as looking to submit/links in w3m)  thanks for taking a look
[03:50] <lsmobrian> shauno: thanks that did work
[04:21] <ratdog> http://paste.ubuntu.com/489556/
[04:21] <ratdog> ?
[04:22] <incognito> okay, here is my paste:   http://paste.ubuntu.com/489561/   first you can see the result of my dmesg | grep vga.   below my terminal output is a post from an ubuntu forums that tells how to disable frameBuffer.  I'm trying to disable the framebuffer because my ubuntu-server won't load. I need help to know what I need to blacklist. Thanks
[04:23] <ratdog> i pasted firat
[04:23] <ratdog> damnit
[04:23] <ratdog> lol
[04:28] <incognito>  I burned and installed 10.04 installation CD. The installation seems to run fine, ejects my CD and tells me to boot into my newly installed system. The first boot runs normally and I get a command-line interface in the right resolution (1024 x 768). My server is.
[04:28] <incognito> But on the second and any following (re)boot, the system fails to load. After my HP splash screen it shortly shows a blinking cursor on a black screen. Then the screen goes completely black, my monitor starts searching for input and goes to standby. I use the power button to shut down.
[06:51] <SJr> How do I make a file system dirty so that fsck runs on reboot?
[06:52] <kklimonda> SJr: touch /forcefsck
[06:52] <SJr> seriously?
[06:53] <twb> Yes.
[06:53] <SJr> neat
[06:53] <kklimonda> yeah, but it will force fsck on all filesystems afair
[06:53] <twb> It used to be an option to shutdown(8), but SJR removed it and the documentation for it
[06:53] <SJr> hmmmmm
[06:53] <SJr> SJR?
[06:53] <twb> On debian, it says -F:      Force fsck on reboot.
[06:53] <twb> Scott James Remnant
[06:53] <SJr> ah
[06:53] <twb> i.e. "the upstart guy"
[06:53] <SJr> ah
[06:54] <SJr> sorry I was understandably confused :)
[06:54] <twb> Nod
[06:54] <kklimonda> hmm, I've always touched file manually :)
[06:54] <twb> I think his nick is actually "keybuk"
[06:54] <kklimonda> indeed
[06:54] <SJr> will that run even if the file system is clean?
[06:54]  * twb encourages MIT-style usernames
[06:54] <twb> SJr: yes
[06:54] <kklimonda> SJr: yes
[06:54] <twb> SJr: it's *force*fsck
[06:54] <SJr> excellent well thank you, I'm going to reboot my server, killing my bouncer, and hopefully fixing my fs
[06:54] <SJr> god speed
[06:54] <twb> Basically the boot scripts say "if /forcefsck exists, then add -f to the fsck calls"
[07:27] <kuttan_> Hi what is JIGDO/JIGDO-LITE , can this tool be used to download a bootable Os installation DVD ?
[07:38] <twb> kuttan_: jigdo takes a list of packages and turns it into an install CD or DVD
[07:39] <twb> I prefer to simply use the mini.iso and have a local package mirror exported via HTTP
[07:40] <kuttan_> twb: Thanks mate! , So it will download individual packages and then regenerate DVD ?
[07:43] <twb> s/regenerate/generate/, yes
[07:44] <twb> Note that we're talking about debian-installer (not ubiquity) install media.
[07:45] <kuttan_> twb: Thanks mate. that is all I wanted to know. Was bit jittery before that :)
[07:52] <SJr> Um
[07:52] <SJr> When I try to md5 a file, I Get an input output error, and I get spammed with a bunch of stuff like: http://www.pastebin.ca/1934852
[08:08] <joschi> SJr: either your SATA controller or your hard disk is broken
[08:08] <SJr> lame
[08:09] <joschi> SJr: if you don't have one yet, you should make a backup of your important files on that disk *now*
[08:09] <SJr> hmmmmm
[08:09] <joschi> SJr: could also be a defect cable.
[08:09] <SJr> sorry it just seems to be one file that is affected
[08:09] <SJr> and an fsck seems to generate no errors
[08:09] <joschi> SJr: that's how it starts usually
[08:09] <SJr> smart seems to pass
[08:10] <joschi> SJr: it's your decision what to do next...
[09:42] <huats> morning !
[10:11] <tanathos> morning
[10:18] <rahman> Hi,with apache how can I rewrite all requested urls to a fixed url without any condition to check? Like  "  *   to example.com  "
[10:25] <sandGorgon> anyone have an upstart script for postgresql ?
[10:48] <soren> jdstrand: Because I suck, when you bzr update your libvirt packaging branch, you will get conflicting tags. Please fix it like so: bzr tag --force -r<EMAIL_ADDRESS>0.8.3-1ubuntu9
[10:49] <twb> rahman: in mod_rewrite or something?
[10:49] <soren> rahman: RewriteRule .* http://whatever [R,L]
[10:49] <soren> rahman: Or thereabouts.
[10:49] <twb> I see bzr still looks like arch sometimes :-P
[10:50] <soren> twb: He could have probably gotten away with -r 101.
[10:51] <soren> twb: ..but I wanted to be sure.
[10:51] <twb> And of course an eight-byte hash *might* have had a collision :P
[10:52] <soren> twb: Yeah, bzr has no such concept, as far as I know.
[10:53] <rahman> soren: thanks it made the trick . Apache url rewriting docs are so crypted if you don't know RegEx and all you need is simple :)
[10:54] <twb> Anyone who doesn't know regex(7) probably shouldn't be configuring apache
[10:55] <rahman> twb: :)
[10:55] <twb> I'm not joking
[10:56] <twb> Large parts of my week consist on fixing systems deployed or managed by people who don't really know what they're doing
[12:12] <sandGorgon> can I set stack size using sysctl.conf - I know we can do it using ulimit -s, but just curious if we can. That way I just need to copy over my sysctl.conf and have all my settings
[12:38] <silvan> salve ragazzi
[12:39] <silvan> c'è nessuno!?
[13:06] <zul> morning
[14:02] <patdk-wk> hmm, cause someone asked the other day about this: https://help.ubuntu.com/10.04/serverguide/C/mail-filtering.html
[14:02] <patdk-wk> I am wondering why that says to activate the spamassassin daemon?
[14:03] <patdk-wk> that configuration doesn't use spamd anywhere at all
[14:03] <patdk-wk> spamd will be a useless memory hog
[14:04] <soren> patdk-wk: amavis doesn't use spamc?
[14:04] <patdk-wk> nope, never has
[14:05] <soren> That's silly.
[14:05] <patdk-wk> amavis is perl
[14:05] <soren> so?
[14:05] <patdk-wk> so it loads spamassasin perl directly into it
[14:05] <soren> Oh.
[14:06] <patdk-wk> that gets fun with stuff like compiled spamassasin rules and stuff
[14:13] <patdk-wk><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[14:14] <patdk-wk> I can't find any direct documentation that says spamc/spamd is not used
[14:14] <patdk-wk> but I do have spamd disabled on all my servers
[14:27] <zul> hggdh: ping up yet?
[14:31] <_ruben> patdk-wk: i figured (but not tested or anything) that amavis would/could use spamd when available
[14:32] <patdk-wk> na, it won't use spamd ever
[14:33] <hggdh> zul: up now
[14:34] <zul> hggdh: see daviey's email?
[14:34] <hggdh> no... looking at it
[14:35] <_ruben> patdk-wk: ah, depending on the amavis config, it does the preloading stuff itself, killing any need for spamd .. guess a bug should be filed against the docs :)
[14:35] <patdk-wk> :)
[14:35] <patdk-wk> I normally take it a step more, I should file a bug against it too
[14:35] <hggdh> zul: is this what I think? :-)
[14:36] <patdk-wk> the daily autoupdate for spamassassin rules, I modify them to restart amavisd instead
[14:36] <zul> hggdh: hehe
[14:37] <hggdh> zul, Daviey: as it happens, yes, there a re open slots at the UEC test rig
[14:37] <zul> hggdh: sweet...
[14:38] <Daviey> hggdh, \o/
[14:38] <hggdh> now, when would you like to have at it?
[14:38] <hggdh> zul, Daviey: now?
[14:39] <zul> hggdh: sure
[14:39] <Daviey> hggdh, I really don't want to block you
[14:40] <hggdh> Daviey, zul: no, you will not block me. Now, do you want me to reinstall the machines as minimal servers?
[14:40] <zul> hggdh: yes please
[14:40] <hggdh> (takes about 20 min to reboot & reinstall)
[14:40] <hggdh> doing it
[14:41] <Daviey> hggdh, fresh maverick daily?  no UEC?
[14:41] <hggdh> anyway, my last test wass really destructive
[14:41] <Daviey> hggdh, If you need it back, can you try and give us about 1hrs notice to pull of anything we need?
[14:41] <hggdh> Daviey: minimal Ubuntu daily server, no UEC
[14:41] <Daviey> hggdh, \o/
[14:42] <hggdh> Daviey: yes, I can give you 1 hour's notice
[14:46] <hggdh> zul, Daviey: machines are beign reinstalled now. Do you know how to get there?
[14:46] <zul> hggdh: nope
[14:46] <hggdh> just a sec
[14:47] <Daviey> \o/
[14:52] <chessychic> well as per competition goes RHEL still dominates the server market
[14:52] <chessychic> its becoming hard to configure ubuntu for server
[14:53] <chessychic> by the way ubuntu handling packages and updating in server environment
[14:53] <Daviey> chessychic, Is there a question here?
[14:54] <chessychic> i mean i dont know how to fix a pc with improper grub
[14:54] <patdk-wk> I haven't seen RHEL on a lot of servers, just centos
[14:54] <patdk-wk> you fix grub, the same way on rhel, centos, ubuntu, debian, slackware, .... :)
[14:54] <Daviey> chessychic, Okay... i'm worried i'm stepping into a trap here..
[14:54] <Daviey> "improper grub"?
[14:54] <chessychic> ya grub 2
[14:55] <Daviey> chessychic, And which part is improper?
[14:55] <chessychic> did just ubuntu server upgraded to grub2
[14:55] <Daviey> no
[14:56] <chessychic> can we rescue ubuntu server with server disc
[14:56] <Daviey> LTS->LTS yes.
[14:56] <Daviey> But it's been the default since 9.10
[14:56] <hggdh> .msg daviey https://pastebin.canonical.com/36805/
[14:56]  * Daviey passes hggdh a /
[14:57] <hggdh> heh
[14:57] <hggdh> well, you are msg-ed, anyway :-)
[14:57] <Daviey> chessychic, Can you clarify what part of grub2 makes it improper?
[14:57] <hggdh> zul, Daviey: of course, please change the userId on the .ssh/config
[14:58] <chessychic> sorry but nothing is wrong here
[14:58] <Daviey> zul, we should use hggdh's ID, then he gets the blame if it goes bang.
[14:58] <chessychic> i want to know if something goes wrong it isnt as easy as grub to fix
[14:58] <zul> Daviey: sounds good to me :)
[14:58]  * hggdh goes and quickly removes self from server
[14:59] <Daviey> chessychic, It does differ from grub1 configs
[14:59] <chessychic> iam learning system admin course here
[14:59] <Daviey> chessychic, sounds good!
[15:00] <chessychic> wanna be a linux admin,also iam working with RHEL here so i also wanted to configure and get my hands on ubuntu server
[15:00] <chessychic> first off i wanna change my alias here
[15:02] <chessychic> scared 2 go for redhat certification as iam not confident .............
[15:02] <chessychic> also ubuntu certification is bit complicated and highly priced rather i should have been cheap for poor countries
[15:03] <chessychic> it*
[15:15] <hggdh> zul, Daviey: machines have rebooted on today's ISO
[15:15] <Daviey> hggdh, \o/
[15:21] <ttx> Daviey: when is the next euca upload planned ?
[15:22] <Daviey> ttx, hopefully today!
[15:22] <ttx> Daviey: ack.
[15:22] <Daviey> working on it right now
[15:39] <kaushal> hi
[15:39] <kaushal> how do i delete VM in KVM under Ubuntu ?
[15:39] <yann_> virsh destroy / undefine
[15:40] <kaushal> error: unexpected data 'undefine'
[15:41] <kaushal> at virsh command line ?
[15:41] <yann_> virsh undefine nameofthevm
[15:41] <sherr> ---> man virsh
[15:41] <yann_> but that removes the vm from libvirt, you stillneed to rm -rf the file after
[15:42] <kaushal> ok
[15:42] <kaushal> where exactly i need to rm -rf ?
[15:43] <kaushal> under /etc/libvirtd/ ?
[15:44] <yann_> where you put your image file
[15:46] <kaushal> yann_: not sure where i have it :(
[15:46] <kaushal> i use vmbuilder command
[15:47] <yann_> virsh dumpxml vm
[15:47] <yann_> will tell you
[15:47] <kaushal> error: failed to get domain 'vm1'
[15:51] <kaushal> hi again
[15:51] <kaushal> sorry got disconnected
[15:52] <kaushal> yann_: any further suggestion
[15:54] <sherr> VM's : ls /etc/libvirtd/qemu/*.xml
[15:54] <sherr> Or : virsh list
[15:54] <sherr> etc. See : man virsh
[15:56] <kaushal> sherr: Thanks
[15:56] <kaushal> yann_: Thanks
[16:15] <Glenjamin> Hi guys, i've just upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 on the way to 10.04, and i'm getting the following from apt: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/is0hFz8h anyone able to point me in the right direction?
[16:18] <SpamapS> Glenjamin: looks like maybe some files were manually removed?
[16:19] <Glenjamin> well apt seemed to be fine before i did the 9.04 -> 9.10 update, then i had this error afterwards while trying to do anything
[16:20] <Glenjamin> and now i can't seem to do anything without it trying to remove these packages and failing
[16:22] <patdk-wk> hmm, it seems to think those kernel packages are installed, but looks like they got manually removed though
[16:22] <patdk-wk> someone enjoying their usage of rm? to clean up old kernels?
[16:22] <Glenjamin> is there any way to put them back?
[16:24] <patdk-wk> maybe, apt-get remove -m linux-restricted-modules-2.6.28-11-server
[16:24] <patdk-wk> then again for -15, and -17
[16:25] <Glenjamin> it does the same - any apt operation tries to remove the three packages
[16:25] <Glenjamin> is trying to create the paths it's attempting to unlink likely to help?
[16:25] <patdk-wk> oh, maybe you need an apt fix first then
[16:35] <Glenjamin> managed to bungle a fix by copying another module into where it was supposed to be
[16:58] <derknecht> i try to control mainboard leds to tell the user when a backup is finished on a server without gui. I searched /proc and /sys but found nothing. is there a software package or a way how i can achive this
[16:59] <SpamapS> derknecht: it is different between chipsets.
[17:00] <derknecht> SpamapS: where i have to search?
[17:00] <SpamapS> derknecht: you can very easily control keyboard LED's.. ;)
[17:00] <patdk-wk> mainboard leds? sounds odd
[17:00] <derknecht> there is no keyboard, everything is over ssh
[17:00] <SpamapS> patdk-wk: remember back when all computers had green, yellow, and red? ;)
[17:01] <SpamapS> derknecht: what lights are visible?
[17:01] <patdk-wk> SpamapS, I'm trying, but all I remember is a red and green, one power, one harddrive (my current ones are still the same)
[17:01]  * SpamapS once made a program that would, blink the blue lights on HP proliants in sequence according to their rack order..
[17:01] <patdk-wk> but back then, the harddrives normally had a led on them also :)
[17:02] <SpamapS> patdk-wk: yeah, you'd run that litlte cable from the hard drive to the LED.. or if you had a fancy controller.. from the controller
[17:03] <patdk-wk> my mfm and scsi drives back in the day, all had led's directly on them, the cable was optional :)
[17:03] <derknecht> SpamapS: let assume my mainboard and kernel can do it. How ? (via /proc or /sys? via extra software that controls a spesific led?)
[17:03] <SpamapS> derknecht: I'd guess you'd need to issue some sort of APM or ACPI command
[17:03] <patdk-wk> normally you need a kernel module that supports it
[17:03] <patdk-wk> then you just toggle it via /sys
[17:04] <patdk-wk> atleast if it's like the thinkpad :)
[17:04] <RoAkSoAx> kirkland: howdy!! I was wondering if you've ever used systemtap ?
[17:04] <SpamapS> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-539425.html
[17:04] <SpamapS> right that one shows it for an asus
[18:15] <cemc> if I have static network config, do I need avahi-daemon ?
[18:16] <cemc> or what do I need avahi for?
[18:17] <jpds> Auto-discovery of local network devices?
[18:18] <cemc> I see
[18:19] <jpds> cemc: 'avahi-browse -a' will show you devices/things it found for instance.
[18:20] <cemc> I guess I just want to know if I can remove it from a LTSP server without having problems with anything after that
[18:21] <cemc> not remove it but stop it from running by default
[18:21] <patdk-wk> most likely :)
[18:25] <cemc> patdk-wk: I like that answer :-) what about atd ? I did not really see anything using that (I mean nothing what I'm using).
[18:25] <patdk-wk> depends on what you do
[18:26] <patdk-wk> if you never use at, then you don't need atd I believe
[18:26] <patdk-wk> not exactly sure how the ubuntu cron works, I think I remember freebsd cron was built on at, or at ontop of cron
[18:29] <cemc> mmm, not sure, I think they are two separate things
[18:37] <ethicalhack3r> hello all, trying to install *only* x server so that I can install openbox on ubuntu server minimal, 'apt-get install xorg' also installs gnome, any way to stop apt-get installing gnome as well as x server
[18:37] <ethicalhack3r> ?
[18:39] <cemc> ethicalhack3r: try installing something like xserver-xorg-core
[18:40] <ethicalhack3r> cemc: thanks! just read about installing 'gdm', any thoughts?
[18:40] <patdk-wk> hmm, doing xfce seems to not install much gnome stuff, only one or two items
[18:40] <cemc> ethicalhack3r: not sure, I would start out with only minimal stuff, check with apt-get depends gpm , you'll see what that pulls in
[18:41] <patdk-wk> xfce doesn't pull in gdm :)
[18:42] <ethicalhack3r> cemc: trying xserver-xorg-core now, thanks!
[18:43] <cemc> maybe that won't be enough, but you'll find out I guess. or you could try what patdk-wk said. install xfce, then remove it if you don't need it, that way you should get an actual working X I guess
[18:44] <ethicalhack3r> I will see what it gives me, if its not enough I will look into xfce, think xfce is much larger than openbox/fluxbox?
[18:45] <ethicalhack3r> if I had the choice I wouldnt be installing any window managers at all, but needs must :(
[18:46] <cemc> ethicalhack3r: try twm :-P
[18:46] <Proxymalz> good evening, need german support plz query me
[18:46] <cemc> doesnt get more basic than that, hehe
[18:46] <Pici> !de | Proxymalz
[18:47] <ethicalhack3r> argh! some how gnome has snook on my system again, its like the friggin plauge!
[18:48] <cemc> :)
[18:48] <ethicalhack3r> will see how much space gnome takes up, might be smaller than I am anticipating
[18:49] <cemc> unlikely :)
[18:51] <cemc> ethicalhack3r: why do you need X anyway?
[18:53] <ethicalhack3r> cemc: I am creating a live cd for DVWA (http://www.dvwa.co.uk), I'm doing a workshop using the livecd where there is no network connectivity, so I need a browser on the live cd for the audience to interact with the application
[18:54] <cemc> ethicalhack3r: it's all in the browser, you don't need anything else?
[18:54] <ethicalhack3r> cemc: yea, just need firefox
[18:56] <cemc> ethicalhack3r: maybe you could try running firefox directly, without any desktop/window manager? if there are no other windows/popups, it might work
[18:56] <cemc> ;)
[18:57] <ethicalhack3r> cemc: you think firefox would run without a window manager? the reason I also need the livecd to be as small as possible is because the iso will be available for download, so the smaller the final iso is, the better
[18:58] <cemc> just put an .xsession file in the user's home, run firefox from that, then startx, and you'll see...
[18:59] <cemc> maybe a fullscreen firefox, if you can start it directly in fullscreen somehow
[19:00] <ethicalhack3r> cemc: found a nice tut :) => http://fluxbox.sourceforge.net/docbook/en/html/app-setup.html
[19:01] <cemc> mhm
[19:45] <Shane-S> trying to figure out what my IP's went DHCP, http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/tmH0YHkF is my /etc/network/interfaces file. I have 2 ubunut LAMP 10.04 servers, same setup, just .11 and .12 for IPs. Both resorted back to DHCP over the weekend, not sure why
[19:45] <Shane-S> when I did ifdown eth0 and ifup eht0 both came back to their static addresses
[19:46] <Shane-S> all I can guess is that I never restarted the systems after the interfaces file change, I just used ifdown/up
[19:51] <qman__> make sure dhcp processes aren't still running
[19:57] <Shane-S> gonna sound dumb, how do I do that?
[20:03] <qman__> ps aux | grep dhc
[20:04] <jeiworth> Shane-S: also, having servers with static ip here as well i recommend deinstalling dhcp client alltogtether, no need for it anyway
[20:04] <qman__> dhclient can be very persistent
[20:04] <qman__> hate to forfeit some linux geek cred, but rebooting is the easiest way to defeat it
[20:05] <Shane-S> okay...I got 1 reply to the command
[20:05] <qman__> probably the grep
[20:05] <jeiworth> qman__: that's just wrong ;oP
[20:06] <jeiworth> rebooting...brrrrrrr
[20:06]  * jeiworth shivers
[20:07] <qman__> restarting the networking service is supposed to fix it, but it doesn't always work
[20:07] <jeiworth> Shane-S: sudo aptitude purge dhcp3-client
[20:08] <jeiworth> Shane-S: and never any more problems
[20:10] <Shane-S> okay will do that jeiworth ...sorry for delay got a help desk call
[20:11] <jeiworth> don't worry
[20:12] <Shane-S> so the client can actually make the server obtain and address sometimes, that is weird
[20:12] <Shane-S> I thought config files rules processes/services :P
[20:13] <Shane-S> well I will test it on one of the servers, and leave the other be, then see if that solved it, they are identical VMs, just running different webservices
[20:13] <Shane-S> Thank you all for the help!
[20:14] <Shane-S> Irony is I got the help desk call, because it was my OSTicket server that changed to DHCP :P
 I thought config files rules processes/services :P <-- yeah, i thought this behaviour to be quite strange also, hence the somewhat radical approach but in the end, since it's a server and uses static ip there is no need for the dhcp client running all the time in the background anyway.
[20:24] <jeiworth> less being installed in the first place, even
[20:24] <jeiworth> waste of resources ;)
[20:32] <cswells> Hello is this Ubuntu server support?
[20:33] <Pici> cswells: Yessir.
[20:34] <cswells> When i start the install process. It pushes all the text to one side of the screen making it impossable to read the prompts
[20:35] <cswells> i tried vga=771, fb=False, and start_pcmcia=false
[20:36] <cswells> is there a way to manualy set the res lets say 800x640?
[20:37] <qman__> cswells, with 10.04, use nomodeset
[20:37] <cswells> ill give it a try
[20:38] <qman__> it's a new feature to support modern displays, but unfortunately, compatibility isn't that great
[20:38] <qman__> and it only works with the open source nvidia and ati drivers
[20:39] <cswells> nope... just made the part of the screen it doesn't use green
[20:39] <patdk-wk> I finally got mine working nice with my nvidia card using nvidia drivers
[20:39] <patdk-wk> but for servers, ya, nomodeset, and maybe gfxmode=text
[20:40] <qman__> it shocked me with the 1280x800 text console
[20:40] <qman__> but then installing nvidia binary drivers put it back to 80x25
[20:40] <qman__> (on my laptop)
[20:41] <qman__> I would complain but it's about time the linux console supported more than SVGA
[20:42] <cswells> gfxmode=text didn't work ether
[20:42] <qman__> nomodeset should be giving you a standard 80x25 terminal
[20:42] <cswells> its an old Acer aspire 5000
[20:43] <cswells> yeah but its only apearing on 1/8th of my monitor
[20:43] <cswells> the other 7/8 th's is unused
[20:43] <qman__> right in the center?
[20:43] <cswells> 1/8 th on the left
[20:43] <cswells> the rest on the right is unused
[20:44] <qman__> sure the display is okay? also, what graphics chip is it?
[20:44] <cswells> its a via
[20:44] <cswells> yeah the display works fine with ubuntu desktop
[20:45] <cswells> but i want to use my old laptop as an ftp storage
[20:45] <cswells> that i can access from school
[20:45] <qman__> so X can handle it but the ttys are no good?
[20:45] <cswells> i guess
[20:45] <qman__> did you try the terminals from within ubuntu desktop?
[20:45] <cswells> yeah
[20:45] <cswells> everything in Desktop is good
[20:45] <qman__> ctrl alt F1, etc
[20:45] <cswells> but server i cant install because it is smushing everthing together on the left of the screen
[20:46] <cswells> yeah i believe so let me check real fast
[20:46] <cswells> havn't formated the drive yet
[20:47] <cswells> oh the ttys are bad in desktop aswell
[20:47] <cswells> but X looks good :)
[20:47] <qman__> well then, it's definitely a graphics issue
[20:48] <cswells> yeah
[20:48] <qman__> I ran into something similar with a radeon 200M, the solution was to use open source drivers instead of fglrx
[20:48] <qman__> but with a via chip, not really sure what you can do
[20:49] <cswells> should i try ubuntu server 8 lts
[20:49] <qman__> maybe pass some parameters to the module
[20:49] <qman__> worth a try
[20:49] <qman__> 8.04 doesn't have plymouth and the new KMS
[20:49] <cswells> my only fear is... if i upgrade to 10
[20:49] <cswells> it breaks it :(
[20:49] <qman__> it will
[20:49] <qman__> you'd have to stick with 8.04
[20:50] <qman__> it's got about three years worth of support left, far as updates are concerned
[20:50] <qman__> so as long as the major software versions and feature set are good enough, you could use it
[20:52] <cswells> i cant find the download link on ubuntu's site
[20:52] <cswells> for 8
[20:52] <cswells> maybe sourceforage?
[20:52] <qman__> nah, one sec
[20:52] <kklimonda> !hardy
[20:52] <qman__> the site burys it a bit
[20:53] <kklimonda> cswells: ^^
[20:53] <qman__> ah, there you go
[20:54] <cswells> awww shucks guys you make my blush :)
[21:06] <cswells> ah ha, ubuntu server 8 burned to disk
[21:09] <cswells> same issue
[21:16] <mconigliaro> is anyone using ubuntu 10.04 on ec2? there used to be a script at /etc/init.d/ec2-init that ran the user data script, and it would log to /var/log/messages. this seems to have changed in 10.04, and now i have no idea how the user data script is being run or where its output is going...
[21:29] <mathiaz> smoser: hi - trying to use the puppet user-data hook on maverick: http://paste.ubuntu.com/490006/
[21:30] <smoser> mathiaz, http://paste.ubuntu.com/490007/ . yeah. sorry. :-(
[21:31] <smoser> you want to open a bug for me ?
[21:31] <mathiaz> smoser: sure - how can I fix it?
[21:31] <mathiaz> smoser: bzr branch?
[21:32] <smoser> well, test that pastebin fix.
[21:32] <smoser> i'm guessing thats all you need.
[21:32] <smoser> i can build a new cloud-init if you'd like asap.
[21:33] <mathiaz> smoser: ok - I'll test that and let you know about the results
[21:38] <_Techie_> anybody in here want to rage at me for having my nick change when i connect/disconnect to my BNC?
[21:39] <ajmitch> _Techie_: nick changes can be ignored, public away messages in channel are what annoy most people
[21:40] <_Techie_> ajmitch: cool, because one of the tech's in #xubuntu went off at me when i connected to my BNC
[21:40] <ajmitch> how silly
[21:42] <_Techie_> i know, i said goodbye to one of the tech's that i respect highly in there and left
[21:45] <new_to_irssi> part
[22:28] <_Techie_> is 9.10 still supported, and if it is... when till?
[22:29] <soren> _Techie_: It's supported for 18 months (starting October 2009).
[22:29] <soren> _Techie_: So until April 2011.
[22:29] <_Techie_> soren: thanks
[22:57] <Kaelten> anyone have any advice about how to tweak net.ipv4.ip_local_port_range and net.ipv4.tcp_fin_timeout
[22:57] <Kaelten> I need to maximize my servers ability to connect to a given db server
[22:57] <Kaelten> not sure what's safe settings on them though
[23:02] <SpamapS> Kaelten: err, why would you want to DoS your db server from one box?
[23:03] <SpamapS> Kaelten: there are a number of ways to pool connections so you don't need many thousands...
[23:04] <Kaelten> SpamapS: I'm dealing with third party php applications mainly
[23:05] <Kaelten> and pconnect isn't solving the bottlenecks
[23:05] <Kaelten> SpamapS: so I'm open to suggestions on how to pool them
[23:05] <SpamapS> Kaelten: pconnect often makes it worse. ;)
[23:05] <Kaelten> i'd beleive it
[23:06] <SpamapS> 3rd party your options aren't so great
[23:08] <Kaelten> so I either tweak the tcp stack, or I try not great, or I throw more ips at it
[23:08] <SpamapS> Kaelten: if you have any sway over the app design at all, I like using things like gearman or dbslayer to control and coalesce db access... but if you are stuck with apps using mysql_* then there's not much hope.
[23:08] <SpamapS> you're fighting a losing battle there
[23:08] <Kaelten> yup
[23:08] <Kaelten> but that's the job description
[23:08] <SpamapS> mysql will eat up ram per connection pretty fast if you let it
[23:09] <Kaelten> db boxes have ungodly amounts of ram
[23:09] <Kaelten> the fact I've gotten vbulletin to scale as much as it has is pretty impressive in my book, and honestly I may be worrying about a bottleneck that'll never be there.
[23:09] <SpamapS> Kaelten: I've heard a few people who have had success with this: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/mod/mod_dbd.html
[23:09] <Kaelten> hrm, I don't run apache though :/
[23:10] <Kaelten> I saw that mysql proxy has a lua script that does some form of pooling
[23:10] <Kaelten> but that seems fishy
[23:10] <SpamapS> Oh you're running, what, fastcgi?
[23:10] <SpamapS> mysql proxy isn't fishy, but it is REALLY damn slow
[23:11] <Kaelten> fpm behind an nginx server
[23:12] <Kaelten> currently I'm dealing with net.ipv4.ip_local_port_range = 32768    61000 and a timeout of 60
[23:12] <Kaelten> which seems pretty reasonable defaults
[23:12] <Kaelten> but there is a point where it starts to teeter out
[23:16] <SpamapS> Kaelten: why are your timeouts so high?
[23:16] <SpamapS> I'd be at 3 - 5 seconds
[23:17] <Kaelten> well I'm talking about net.ipv4.tcp_fin_timeout
[23:17] <SpamapS> those timeouts don't apply when the database is actually doing something
[23:17] <SpamapS> still for a LAN...
[23:18] <Kaelten> ya it's all gigabit lan traffic
[23:18] <Kaelten> I was debating turning it down lower
[23:18] <Kaelten> part of the reason I asked for input :)
[23:18] <SpamapS> also for a LAN tw_recycle and tw_reuse are fine
[23:19] <Kaelten> not familure with those two
[23:19] <Kaelten> any thoughts on what a safe tcp_fin_timeout should be
[23:19] <SpamapS> oh that will probably solve your problem
[23:19] <SpamapS> tcp_fin_timeout should be totally safe at 30
[23:20] <SpamapS> tcp_tw_reuse will cause the network stack to re-use the same connections that are in TIME_WAIT rather than wait for them to be completely destroyed
[23:20] <SpamapS> tcp_tw_recycle will do it even more aggressively
[23:21] <SpamapS> Kaelten: give reuse a try, if it solves your issue, let it be. recycle should be fine too, but it is known to break *some* programs that depend on tcp behaviors being 100% rfc compliant
[23:21] <Kaelten> cool thanks for the input
[23:29] <Kaelten> SpamapS: sidenote, should I set these things on the client or the server or both?
[23:29] <SpamapS> Kaelten: wherever the TIME_WAIT's are stacking up
[23:30] <Kaelten> k
[23:30] <Kaelten> thanks
[23:30] <SpamapS> any time
[23:36]  * RoyK found a rather old computer at work today http://oldcomputers.net/ibm5155.html only pimped up with  640kB RAM, a 10MB harddrive and an 8087 FPU :D
[23:37] <Patrickdk> nice, reminds me of my kaypro :)
[23:38] <Patrickdk> http://oldcomputers.net/kayproii.html
[23:38] <RoyK> hehe
[23:39] <RoyK> two full-height floppy drives!
[23:39] <RoyK> 5 1/4"?
[23:39] <Patrickdk> yep
[23:39] <Patrickdk> some of them had optional 10mb drives, but mine was as in the picture
[23:39] <Patrickdk> the top picture :)
[23:40] <RoyK> strange thing, the IBM came the year after
[23:40] <RoyK> only 4,77MHz IIRC, but with tonnes of RAM
[23:41] <Patrickdk> hheh, tons == >64k :)
[23:41] <Patrickdk> http://oldcomputers.net/ti994.html
[23:41] <Patrickdk> used one of them for years too
[23:41] <RoyK> well, 640 = 10x64
[23:42] <Patrickdk> hmm, it doesn't show the expantion chassis though
[23:43] <RoyK> I booted the box, and it turned out it was running PC DOS 2.10 booting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idris_(operating_system)
[23:43] <RoyK> running some meteorological app with serial i/o at about 1200 baud
[23:43] <RoyK> well, supported up to 9600
[23:44] <Patrickdk> the kaypro2 did 9600, send only, it could only receive at 2400 (maybe 4800 not sure)
[23:46] <RoyK> IIRC the 8250 supported more than 9600, but that depended on the software
[23:55] <YankDownUnder> Super Z-Modem!


[06:12] <head_victim> blahdeblah: just added the team meeting to the website with all the details, feel free to rearrange the content if required.
[06:26] <blahdeblah> head_victim: links added - you happy for me to publish?
[06:26] <head_victim> Sure, I'll have to remember to learn to put the links in properly next time sorry
[06:26] <head_victim> I think I said that last time.
[06:28] <blahdeblah> Check out the source now.
[06:31] <blahdeblah> head_victim: published
[06:31] <head_victim> As in the page source?
[06:31] <head_victim> Or is there something on the website I can go to to see
[06:32] <blahdeblah> Edit the page
[06:37] <head_victim> I swear this is some secret stuff designed to make people like me look stupid :P
[06:38] <head_victim> I can add a new comment, I can see it on the calendar, buggered if I know how to edit it
[06:44] <blahdeblah> There should be an edit tab at the top if you are logged in.
[06:45] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Or just visit http://www.ubuntu.org.au/node/80/edit
[06:48] <head_victim> I"m not authorised.
[06:49] <head_victim> (I'm not admin there if that is required)
[06:49]  * blahdeblah scratches head
[06:50] <blahdeblah> Try again now
[06:51] <head_victim> NOpe, even logged out and back in
[06:52] <blahdeblah> What about now?
[06:53] <head_victim> Nope
[06:53]  * blahdeblah keeps pressing buttons
[06:53] <head_victim> I can on the lca one
[06:53] <head_victim> node/78
[06:54] <head_victim> So at least I konw what I should be doing to links now :)
[06:54] <blahdeblah> try now
[06:55] <head_victim> Really weird, there is an edit tab on all the entries except that one
[06:57] <blahdeblah> hit view again
[06:57] <head_victim> Nope
[06:58] <elky> blahdeblah, just make him an out-and-out admin. fussing around with special users is just a waste of time sometimes
[06:58] <head_victim> It's just weird, I CAN edit other pages
[06:59] <head_victim> Just not that one
[06:59] <elky> head_victim, which is stupid since it's your own, so it's probably missing a "edit own event" permission
[06:59] <blahdeblah> elky: no
[06:59] <elky> ?
[06:59] <blahdeblah> That was the first thing i checked
[07:00] <elky> no what?
[07:00] <blahdeblah> elky: No, it is not missing an "edit own event" permission; that was the first thing i checked
[07:01] <blahdeblah> elky: I will make head_victim an admin at the end of this, but i'd rather keep working on it to understand why this one is not doing the right thing.
[07:02] <blahdeblah> head_victim: So can you edit http://www.ubuntu.org.au/node/78 ?
[07:03] <sagaci> How's the stand coming along for lca?
[07:04] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Also keep in mind that http://ubuntu.org.au/node/80 and http://www.ubuntu.org.au/node/80 are NOT the same thing - you have to login to both web sites separately.
[07:05] <sagaci> Well that's inconvenient
[07:05] <blahdeblah> sagaci: That's life ;-)
[07:05] <elky> blahdeblah, he doesn't have revisions permissions, and there's revisions for that event.
[07:06] <blahdeblah> elky: "view revisions"?
[07:06] <blahdeblah> Doesn't matter - i'll do both revert and view
[07:06] <blahdeblah> head_victim: OK - try now
[07:07] <sagaci> Voila?
[07:11] <head_victim> blahdeblah: it has revisions now
[07:11] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Does it have an edit tab now?
[07:11] <head_victim> No just view and revisions
[07:12] <head_victim> The lca2011 one has view and edit (but no revisions)
[07:12] <sagaci> Give him edit rights
[07:12] <head_victim> Heh all this so I could learn hot to put links in properly
[07:12] <head_victim> I feel bad creating all this hassle
[07:12] <blahdeblah> sagaci: He already has edit rights
[07:12] <blahdeblah> head_victim: It's no hassle
[07:12] <sagaci> We like solving these issues
[07:13] <blahdeblah> head_victim: Would you mind doing a hard refresh of the page (i.e. hold down shift while refreshing)?
[07:13] <head_victim> I just tried that
[07:14] <head_victim> I'll try it on a pc I haven't used before in case it's a cache thing
[07:14] <blahdeblah> yeah - good
[07:14] <head_victim> Crap, it had my login details already there though
[07:14] <blahdeblah> ?
[07:15] <elky> it won't have cached today's problem though
[07:15] <head_victim> Ok cleared cache and still no dice
[07:15] <head_victim> I have revisions and view, no edit
[07:16] <head_victim> And on that note I have to probably start heading for the door to go to work :/
[07:16] <elky> In opposite news, i have to head for the door to go home. ciao :P
[07:16] <head_victim> elky: aww wanna swap?
[07:16] <elky> hellsno
[07:16] <head_victim> No worries, I'll catch you all later
[07:17] <head_victim> blahdeblah: if you get any further just leave messages and I'll try again in the morning. Cheers heaps for your help blahdeblah and elky  :D
[07:17] <head_victim> Cheerio
[07:24]  * blahdeblah wishes Drupal had better logging of access denied errors
[11:31] <sagaci> Anyone used the internet at the international and domestic airports in sydney
[11:38] <sagaci> They run ubuntu 8.04/10 with some kind of build of opera
[11:38] <sagaci> Blew me out
[13:23] <Swathe> boo my 19" lcd i use for irc died
[13:24] <Swathe> on  screen make me feel like a cripple
[13:25] <gggs> Swathe: how'd it die?
[13:26] <Swathe> screen lickered went white and faded
[13:26] <Swathe> now doesnt detect signla
[13:26] <Swathe> mine are on 24/7 and i had it 4 years so it's had a fair run
[13:26] <gggs> it's not an Acer by any chance
[13:28] <Swathe> nah viewsonic
[13:28] <Swathe> istill have this 23"LED one for now
[13:28] <Swathe> would like a second one but a bit strapped for cash
[13:31] <gggs> dual monitors is nice, also easy with a laptop with hardware support
[13:31] <gggs> yea I wonder if LED-backlight LCDs will last longer
[13:32] <Swathe> 3 years is enough for me
[13:32] <Swathe> they are great to look at and watch movies on
[13:35] <gggs> 3 years? I'm using an old 17" alongside a 15.4" laptop, it must be 5 or 6 years old from my previous PC, I resurrected it ~2yrs ago with a $20 PSU that was lying around a local electronics store
[13:37] <gggs> I still prefer matte screens, glossy is easier to clean but reflects too much
[13:39] <Swathe> it dpends where you work with them
[13:39] <Swathe> i sold my gloss mac book pro and have regretted it ever sonce
[13:39] <Swathe> since
[13:39] <Swathe> loved that thing
[13:41] <gggs> sounds like Mac <3
[13:45] <gggs> what did you sell it for?
[13:50] <Swathe> golf clubs lol
[13:50] <Swathe> then i sold my hex core rig, bought a mac pro , sold it for an xps laptop and am now back on another 6 core rig lol
[13:52] <gggs> 6 cores?!
[13:53] <Swathe> yeah
[13:54] <Swathe> the AMD 6 core phenoms
[13:54] <Swathe> they are cheap
[13:55] <sagaci> Hi
[13:55] <gggs> I'd imagine they'd make a fair bit of heat & power
[13:55] <gggs> sagaci: hey
[13:56] <Swathe> yeah they suck a bit of power
[13:56] <Swathe> but i don't really gou out and get blotto or anything so i would rather spend money keeping my pc running lol
[13:57] <gggs> how often do you use all six cores?
[13:57] <sagaci> Two cartons of beer or gfx upgrade
[13:57] <sagaci> Easy answer
[13:59] <Swathe> not much atm but once i start rendering videos again i will be
[13:59] <Swathe> people always ask about why so many cores but when the CPU's are so cheap why not
[14:00] <Swathe> they run pretty cools
[14:00] <Swathe> mine idles at 5 in rockhampton which i think is a good effort
[14:00] <Swathe> in the heat of the day with house all locek up might get up to 45
[14:01] <gggs> 5, as in, it idles at 5'c?
[14:01] <Swathe> nah 35
[14:01] <Swathe> typo lol
[14:01] <Swathe> 5 i wish
[14:03] <gggs> even 35' is good for a 6-core, is it water cooled or fan?
[14:03] <Swathe> fan using stock HSF
[14:03] <Swathe> he stock one has heatpipes and stuff
[14:07] <gggs> which Phenom is it?
[14:13] <Swathe> 1055T
[14:14] <gggs> wow, 195W under load; 87W idle
[14:23] <Swathe> lol
[14:24] <Swathe> vroom vroom
[14:26] <gggs> that's like, fifty Intel Atoms
[14:34] <Swathe> my last lappy ran a dual core atom
[14:34] <Swathe> it was pretty good
[14:35] <Swathe> god i reall need to start going to be earlier
[14:36] <gggs> yea there's a growing market for low-power processors, I <3 my ARM-A8 Nokia N900, and those 5W Atoms are impressively efficient
[14:37] <Swathe> yeah i had a n900
[14:37] <Swathe> it was a good bit of kit
[14:38] <gggs> heh, still is
[14:39] <Swathe> yeah
[14:39] <Swathe> few guys from our lug have them
[14:39] <Swathe> man i loved the fm tranmittor
[14:43] <gggs> yea I went to a lecture last year by Richard Stallman, and there was at least 2 or 3 guys in the audience with one. Kindof coincidental, since RMS doesn't like cellphones
[14:43] <Swathe> yeah i went and saw him to in brisbane
[14:46] <gggs> didn't like cameras either, so it's kindof ironic that I took a photo of him with my 5-megapixel GNU/Linux-based internet tablet
[14:47] <Swathe> lol he let me get a photo with him
[14:47] <Swathe> and signed a copy of the GPL for me
[14:47] <Swathe> i 've emailed him a few times since, he always replies
[14:50] <gggs> he came off as a bit grumpy and antisocial when I saw him, but I guess FSF lectures are routine for him, and you can't argue with his achievements
[14:51] <Swathe> that's just the way he is. In brisbane he was ticked because it was muggy and they wurned off the wifi used for the nicta conference and he wanted to use it
[14:51] <Swathe> plus i think a few people were there to make fun of him, but i admire his untiring effort of sticking to his guns
[14:52] <gggs> yea absolutely, he's an activist in any sense of the word
[14:55] <Swathe> well i better hit the sack, my new android tablet arrives tomorrow
[14:57] <gggs> nice, big tech spender by the sound of it
[14:57] <Swathe> well it's only the cheap ptous tablet on a 12 month contract
[14:57] <Swathe> will use it for work
[14:58] <Swathe> btw, i'm a windows sysadmin lol
[14:58] <Swathe> and i run ubuntu on my machine at work lol
[14:58] <Swathe> full time
[14:59] <gggs> sounds like a perfectly good idea, you can run XP/Vista/7 all at once in a VM
[14:59] <Swathe> well i just rdp into them
[15:00] <Swathe> run the vsphere client for the cluster as a terminal service so i don't need to fart around putting vm's on my desktop
[15:01] <gggs> Unix backend, or Outlook/etc?
[15:01] <Swathe> nah it's all windows atm, but i am allowed to implement any solution as long as it passes the test by the directors
[15:02] <Swathe> so there will be more nix going in for sure
[15:04] <Swathe> we are moving to a nw vm cluster so atm its more r&d testing etc for the proposal
[15:04] <Swathe> anyway better get to bed or i will be shattered tomorrow
[15:04] <Swathe> nite
[15:04]  * Swathe stumbles off
[15:04] <gggs> nice, I'll let you get to bed because I'm about to do the same
[15:05] <gggs> you've got a big day of r&d and playing with new toys tmrw
[21:51] <blahdeblah> elky, head_victim: I worked out the problem with permissions - it needed "administer filters".  Pretty bizarre, but i'm glad i spent the time to work it out.
[21:53] <blahdeblah> elky, head_victim: Correction: it needed BOTH administer filters and administer nodes


[16:28] <mhall119> daker: dude, I haven't used loco.ubuntu.com in a while, I didn't realise how many improvements you've made
[16:28] <mhall119> this looks great!
[16:30] <daker> mhall119: thanks :)


[01:22] <MarkDude> dragon ping
[03:25] <Darkwing> How nice.
[03:25] <Darkwing> No more Kubuntu CDs
[03:28] <nhaines> Darkwing: well, it *is* the end of the cycle.
[03:31] <Darkwing> No, like ever.
[03:32] <Darkwing> Canonical dropping commercial support for Kubuntu. Our paid developers are being reassigned too.
[03:35] <philipballew> just kubuntu or xubuntu and other versions as well?
[03:35] <Darkwing> Well, xubuntu never had it. It was an approved flavor.
[03:35] <philipballew> thats right...
[03:35] <philipballew> my bad
[03:35] <Darkwing> Kubuntu is still an approved flavor.
[03:35] <philipballew> I wonder what made the support drop
[03:36] <Darkwing> It wasn't making money...
[03:37] <philipballew> Understandable I guess. but is Ubuntu though
[03:37]  * Darkwing shrugs
[03:38] <Darkwing> We in Kubuntu are trying to figure out if we can survive without two devels
[03:39] <philipballew> the community's gonna have to recruit and step it up I guess.
[03:40] <Darkwing> :)
[03:40]  * philipballew believes in Darkwing
[03:46] <akk> Does the rest of Ubuntu make money? (Silly question, I know.)
[03:47] <nhaines> akk: as I understand, Canonical has been just under "break even" for a few years now.
[04:11] <pleia2> Darkwing: gah, shame you got this news *after* committing to a 5 year LTS
[04:12] <pleia2> (Xubuntu is only doing a 3 year)
[04:21] <philipballew> with all these support issues with ubuntu i think I might have to switch back to my old distro of Hannah Montana Linux.
[04:22] <Darkwing> lol
[04:23] <philipballew> before that I was using biebian
[04:23] <philipballew> http://biebian.sourceforge.net/
[06:20] <dragon> MarkDude: pong!
[06:32] <philipballew> What was the name of Ubuntu before It was called Ubuntu?
[06:32] <philipballew> it slipped my mind
[06:38] <kdub_> wow, we have an offtopic channel now? :P
[06:39] <pleia2> have had for over a year
[06:43] <philipballew> noone really uses it though :(
[06:43] <kdub_> guess i've just noticed it now
[06:43] <pleia2> philipballew: no-name-yet
[06:43] <philipballew> thats right
[06:43] <pleia2> (they had no-name-yet.com)
[06:44] <pleia2> and apparently mdz still does
[06:45] <philipballew> Project no name. I was on like mandrake or something then...
[06:47] <kdub_> what's project no-name-yet?
[06:48] <pleia2> the name of ubuntu before it was called ubuntu
[06:48] <philipballew> apparently its what ubuntu was.
[06:48] <philipballew> this is going to help my new twitter account i created
[06:49] <philipballew> https://twitter.com/#!/linuxhipster
[06:55] <pleia2> s/to/too
[17:11] <philipballew> Can someone help me add 3 events to the loco list for ubuntu hours? or give me a pointer of where to?
[19:13] <broder> pleia2: you don't need rsvps for dinner tomorrow, right?
[19:23] <nhaines> broder: it would still be nice to have them, although the restaurant isn't taking them (last I heard).
[20:19] <raevol> hey did anybody who got an openstack ubuntu thumb drive at scale try formatting it? did anyone else's bork when they did?
[20:42] <raevol> yea, i think mine is just dead :( trash time
[21:23] <nhaines> raevol: yes.
[21:24] <nhaines> Oh fun, looks like Launcher autohide is going to be off by default in Ubuntu 12.04.
[21:24] <nhaines> Despite this being really trivial to adjust I predict massive nerdrage.
[21:34] <akk> The way it hides now is actually kind of annoying
[21:34] <akk> but that's implementation, not an indictment of autohide in general
[21:47] <kdub__> its hard to get autohide right
[21:47] <nhaines> akk: I like the way it hides.  I'm not a super big fan of it in 12.04 at the moment, but they haven't done tweaking yet.
[21:47] <kdub__> because its somewhat of a mouse gesture based thing, and people like different gestures
[21:48] <akk> It's mostly that it's super confusing how sometimes you can't get rid of it (because you put a window against the left edge of the screen, or something)
[21:48] <akk> took a while to figure out the rule
[22:00] <kdub__> philipballew: do you have a date set for the SD ubuntu hour this month?
[22:05] <pleia2> broder: nah, I usually just make reservations for 8 and that' close enough
[22:05] <pleia2> nhaines: wrong dinner ;) sunday with linaro folks was w/o reservations, tomorrow is ubuntu hour + debian dinner
[22:08] <nhaines> pleia2: well maybe RSVPs for that would be nice too.  :)
[22:09] <pleia2> they were required for sunday
[22:34] <philipballew> kdub_, yeah. the tuesday after valentines. I was gonna shoot out an email this evening
[22:34] <philipballew> at a starbucks right by the 5 and 8
[22:35] <philipballew> i have to reinstall grub on some red hat box right now at work. Its kinda a pain
[22:36] <akk> Good excuse to switch over to extlinux. :)
[22:37] <philipballew> im using a knoppix live disk to do it. I dont mind fixing redhat linux. better then if i have to mess with xp...
[22:54] <philipballew> grub is annoying. you only care about it when you cant boot past it
[23:04] <Corey> Hey pleia2!
[23:04] <Corey> Are you the person I talk to about giving a talk at the Ubuntu group?
[23:05] <pleia2> Corey: we don't really have a place to give talks at, I'd suggest going to one of the many LUGs :)
[23:05] <pleia2> we meet for Ubuntu hours (casual, coffee and chat), global jams (collaborative hacking on things) and booths at events and thing
[23:05] <pleia2> s
[23:06] <Corey> pleia2: Urm... what was that regexp event you invited me to?
[23:06] <pleia2> Bay Area Linux Users Group (BALUG)
[23:06] <pleia2> and yeah, I am on their speaker coordinator list
[23:07] <pleia2> email me details of what you want to talk about and I'll get you sorted :)
[23:07] <Corey> pleia2: k!
[23:07] <pleia2> we're booked through March, but have an April spot open AFAIK
[23:07] <pleia2> yeah, 2012-04-17
[23:07] <pleia2> is free
[23:10] <Corey> pleia2: No reason I couldn't make that.
[23:10] <Corey> pleia2: Just let me know if I'm topical enough.
[23:13] <pleia2> forwarding to the other speaker coodinators, I'll let you know :)
[23:14] <Corey> pleia2: No worries.  Although May might be better.  My wife's show closes the night before.
[23:16] <pleia2> May would be fine if you're ok to plan out that far
[23:16] <pleia2> that would be may 15th
[23:20] <pleia2> well, emailed other coordinators, we can pick a date once they say it's good
[23:23] <Corey> pleia2: Yay,
[23:23] <Corey> Thanks for the footwork.
[23:24] <pleia2> Corey: what's your affiliation with the project, just use it?
[23:54] <Corey> pleia2: Right.  And if I can get a few obnoxious problems taken care of, I'll be the debian maintainer for it.
[23:54] <Corey> I've contributed code as well.
[23:59] <philipballew> How much different is one version of grub from the next?


[06:23] <RAOF> sforshee: Ok.  I'm not entirely sure why libgnome-desktop is trying to use the "ConnectorType" property, because it's a filthy lie; nothing implements it, and I see no reason to expect it to be implemented in the near future (unless we want to; it couldn't be *that* hard ☺)
[06:23] <RAOF> sforshee: Patch libgnome-desktop away!
[07:41] <jussi> tjaalton: which bot is normally here?
[07:42] <jussi> ahh looks like ubot4.
[07:42] <tjaalton> jussi: can't recall, but sounds familiar-ish
[07:44] <tjaalton> bug 933710
[07:44] <tjaalton> yeah, works
[07:44] <jussi> yup, of course it does :D
[07:44] <jussi> but when the other one comes back it will double up on things, so one needs to be removed
[07:44] <tjaalton> so how to kill it?
[07:45] <jussi> grab a memeber of the irc council, mithrandir or a freenode staffer and get it quieted. or grab me or tsimpson and we will remove one.
[07:46] <jussi> also, you peoples dont have operators in here - you really need to fix that.
[07:46] <tjaalton> ok cool
[07:46] <tjaalton> .)
[07:46] <tjaalton> :)
[07:46]  * jussi writes mail.
[07:46] <tjaalton> yeah don't think we've ever had
[07:47] <tjaalton> my memory goes back 5y
[07:47] <jussi> tjaalton: who are the people here who could do that - I assume they arent needed a lot anyway. but a few is a good idea to have.
[07:47] <tjaalton> jussi: me, bryceh, RAOF, Sarvatt, cnd for instance
[07:48] <jussi> ok, Ill zap one of the ircc and get things sorted.
[07:48] <tjaalton> maybe some of the more active community ones too
[07:48] <tjaalton> thanks!
[07:54] <jussi> tjaalton: Mithrandir isnt around anymore, correct?
[07:56] <tjaalton> jussi: not working for canonical no
[07:56] <jussi> ok, thanks. :)
[07:56] <jussi> tjaalton: AlanBell will sort out the bits and peices (I am not on the IRCC anymore)
[07:57] <tjaalton> jussi: ok great to see this happen at last..
[07:57] <jussi> tjaalton: I dont know why we didnt do anything about it when I was on the ircc. :/
[07:57] <AlanBell> should be all set now (unless I messed it up)
[07:58] <jussi> AlanBell: any reason you missed an A on tjaalton? :P
[07:58] <AlanBell> see I said I got it wrong
[07:58] <tjaalton> :)
[07:58] <AlanBell> fixed
[07:59] <jussi> tjaalton: try /msg chanserv op #ubuntu-x tjaalton
[07:59] <AlanBell> \o/
[07:59] <tjaalton> whee
[07:59] <jussi> tjaalton: now try /msg chanserv deop #ubuntu-x tjaalton
[08:00] <tjaalton> rocks
[08:00] <jussi> tjaalton: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/IrcTeam/OperatorGuide
[08:00] <tjaalton> hmm I think bryceh was there already, since he has set the topic before?
[08:00] <jussi> nope
[08:00] <tjaalton> ok..
[08:01] <jussi> tjaalton: also, "/msg chanserv access #ubuntu-x list" will give you the full list
[08:01] <AlanBell> we will be doing some fun and interesting classes for new ops in #ubuntu-classroom soon, you might want to tag along with them
[08:01] <AlanBell> anyhow, I am off out now, laters all o/
[08:01] <tjaalton> hmm why bryce2 not bryceh?
[08:01] <jussi> someone probably had the channel set -t or manually opped him
[08:02] <jussi> tjaalton: /msg nickserv info bryceh
[08:02] <tjaalton> ah ok :)
[08:02] <jussi> :)
[08:03] <tjaalton> the mysteries of irc
[08:03] <jussi> tjaalton: now you can set a nice topic (the current one is a bit sparse
[08:03] <tjaalton> hum :)
[08:04] <tjaalton> maybe later, can't think of a better one yet
[08:04] <jussi> tjaalton: also, you have ubuntulog here, and that means you need to sort out the t&c's as per here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[08:04] <jussi> AlanBell: I dont think tjaalton can actually do that because he has no s flag.
[08:05] <jussi> the joys of getting things up to date.
[08:05] <tjaalton> t&c's?
[08:05] <jussi> tjaalton: look at the link ;)
[08:06] <tjaalton> looking, but what exactly?
[08:06] <tjaalton> oh the disclaimer?
[08:06] <jussi> basicallyn says you need to follow the coc and the channel will be logged
[08:06] <tjaalton> sure
[08:07] <jussi> however, as I mentioned, I dont think you can use the set command
[08:07] <tjaalton> ok
[08:08] <jussi> so we have to wait for AlanBell or someone else from the ircc to sort things a little more.
[08:08] <jussi> anyway, carry on, glad its mostly sorted :)
[08:09] <tjaalton> yeah, thanks
[09:09] <AlanBell> tjaalton: you now have a +s flag
[09:10] <tjaalton> AlanBell: thanks
[10:09] <apw> anyone else seeing an odd lensing or combing effect on the left edge of some characters on atom h/w on precise?
[10:12] <apw> RAOF, how do i find out what sub-pixel layout is being used ?
[10:13] <apw> this feels a little like the wrong layout is being used on my atom
[10:13] <apw> or something odd
[21:53] <cnd> bryceh, what are your thoughts on the locked drags stuff
[21:55] <cnd> it's hard to discern if it's a vocal minority who have a problem with it
[21:56] <cnd> at the same time, if I get the clickpad stuff landed, I can see easily reverting the behavior since it was simply to fix clickpads
[21:56] <RAOF> apw: Like so many things, you've got two options.  “xrandr --verbose” will tell you the subpixel ordering the hardware thinks it has, looking at /org/gnome/settings-daemon/plugins/xsettings/rgba-order will tell you what GTK thinks it is.
[21:57] <RAOF> cnd: The locked drags stuff is the reason why alt-tab sometimes doesn't work for me, right? :)
[21:57] <cnd> oh wait, I thought beta 1 was tomorrow
[21:57] <cnd> I see it's quite a ways away
[21:57] <cnd> RAOF, maybe?
[21:57] <cnd> RAOF, no, I can alt-tab inside a locked drag
[21:58] <RAOF> I think the way I use the trackpad I quite frequently hit the draglock; perhaps some apps take out grabs on drag?
[22:03] <bryceh> cnd, the locked drag doesn't really do it for me, but I can imagine for some people or some use cases it may make a lot of sense
[22:03] <bryceh> cnd, my druthers would be to have it as a non-default option
[22:06] <cnd> bryceh, ideally it would be a setting in the mouse prefs
[22:06] <cnd> unfortunately we're passed UI freeze
[22:06] <cnd> that's what I wanted to do originally, but ran out of time
[22:07] <cnd> I'll revert it hopefully as soon as the ffe is granted
[22:07] <bryceh> cnd, ask for a UI freeze exception
[22:07] <cnd> bryceh, that would require me to actually find time to develop it
[22:07] <cnd> I haven't investigated at all, and I have other bugs that are higher prio
[22:07] <cnd> and a revert of this + clickpad fixes is probably the best option anyways
[22:12] <cnd> RAOF, were you able to easily trigger the X crash before, and if so has the update fixed it?
[22:12] <RAOF> cnd: I was not, no.
[22:13] <cnd> ok
[22:13] <RAOF> cnd: But, then again, I wasn't actually using a multitouch synaptics device :)
[22:13] <cnd> hmm...
[22:16] <RAOF> Rick was hitting that, as was asac; I pointed asac at the new synaptics and it seemed to quiet him? :)
[22:21] <bryceh> cnd, was this the crash fixed in 0ubuntu3?
[22:22] <cnd> bryceh, yeah
[22:22] <cnd> the one I told you about yesterday
[22:23] <bryceh> right, so, turns out there's been a ton of different crash reports that have come in that seem to be solved with that
[22:23] <cnd> oh great
[22:23] <cnd> :)
[22:23] <bryceh> still got a bunch I'm waiting on people testing, but it looks like it fixed a lot of the recent xserver crashes
[22:23] <Sarvatt> cnd: hate to pester but do you have 0ubuntu3 locally and just forgot to push by any chance? :P
[22:24] <cnd> Sarvatt, maybe?
[22:24] <cnd> I did it late last night in vienna
[22:24] <bryceh> mesa 8.0.1 looks like it'll solve another good chunk
[22:24] <cnd> before I slept 6 hours and flew home
[22:24] <cnd> Sarvatt, so I very well could have forgotten
[22:24] <cnd> let me make sure
[22:27] <RAOF> bryceh: Does that include the WriteToClient weirdness?
[22:28] <Sarvatt> RAOF: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/925341 no synaptics being used
[22:29] <RAOF> Sarvatt: Quite true.  Boo :(
[22:29] <cnd> Sarvatt, pushed
[22:29] <cnd> thanks for noticing that
[22:30] <Sarvatt> cnd: appreciate it! updated today thinking the fix was in it
[22:32] <bryceh> RAOF, no, we have more xserver crash bugs beyond these two :-/
[22:32] <bryceh> and I think the WriteToClient bug may pre-date the synaptics changes anyway, but not sure
[22:33] <RAOF> bryceh: Oh!  What version of the nvidia driver is that? DBO was seeing some corruption when using FBOs with the pre-295.20 driver that he said eventually took down the server.
[22:34] <bryceh> that one was 295.10
[22:34] <bryceh> I'll have them retest, good idea
[22:36] <bryceh> O rhythmbox why you no love?


[00:16] <MTecknology> When someone is trying to do 'bzr lp-login' they're getting "No Launchpad user ID configured." How can they fix this?
[00:17] <MTecknology> nvm...
[02:02] <Hellow> *sigh* no one has looked at my project group request posted almost two days ago -.-
[03:07] <meoblast001> did i by any chance happen to be the lucky one to be pushing during a server reset again?
[03:08] <meoblast001>  /      0kB @    0kB/s
[03:09] <meoblast001> ok nevermind.. it was just going really slow on pushing just a few source changes
[03:33] <PacoBuntu> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~simom/pidgin-webkit/trunk/files <-- i am getting this:            Sorry, there was a problem connecting to the Launchpad server.                             Try reloading this page in a minute or two.           If the problem persists, let us know in           the #launchpad IRC channel on Freenode.
[03:33] <PacoBuntu> Can someone help me plz
[03:34] <PacoBuntu> i can't get on the page :/
[03:35] <meoblast001> PacoBuntu: neither can i
[03:35] <meoblast001> probably a server shutdown for maintanance
[03:36] <PacoBuntu> You have not informed bzr of your Launchpad ID, and you must do this to
[03:36] <PacoBuntu> write to Launchpad or access private data.  <-- Uhm how do i fix this?
[03:37] <PacoBuntu> do i need to register perse?
[03:37] <PacoBuntu> i just want to download some sourcecode
[04:18] <Kangarooo> hello somone come to pidgin.. lets make pidgin to start using launchapad.. come to #pidgin and help or correct me with informing about launchpad posibilities can pidgin and its users gain..
[04:55] <Hellow> Could a LP admin take a look at my project group request: https://answers.launchpad.net/launchpad/+question/71738
[04:56] <PacoBuntu> HELP
[04:57] <PacoBuntu> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~simom/pidgin-webkit/trunk <-- how long before this is working again>
[04:57] <PacoBuntu> ?
[04:57] <Kangarooo> Hi :) I don't know :) I also shocked that one link one working :)
[04:57] <Hellow> I cant access it either, its a server problem
[05:03] <PacoBuntu> ;/
[05:03] <Kangarooo> this is workin https://launchpad.net/pidgin-webkit
[05:55] <PacoBuntu> Kangarooo: i cant download the sourcecode from that webpage
[05:56] <Kangarooo> yes well I don't know anything about this.. just checked some ways to see if some other way respelled it would work :)
[05:57] <PacoBuntu> well then dont say it is working because it isnt kthnx
[07:12] <macvr> hi all... is the bazaar launchpad server down?
[07:14] <mwhudson> macvr: not that i know
[07:15] <mwhudson> macvr: seems to work for me
[07:15] <macvr> mwhudson: i'v been trying to download from bazaar but it keeps saying that server is having problems connecting and it asks me to contact here
[07:15] <mwhudson> um
[07:15] <mwhudson> what command are you running?
[07:15] <macvr> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~breathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/trunk/download/head:/breathe_icon_templat-20080905042226-bvdzo9fb8th94dyh-3/Breathe_Icon_Template.svg?file_id=template-20080905042226-bvdzo9fb8th94dyh-2 << try this link
[07:15] <mwhudson> oh
[07:16] <mwhudson> well, getting that file via bzr would be easier
[07:16] <mwhudson> (bzr cat lp:~breathe-dev/breathe-icon-set/trunk/Breathe_Icon_Template.svg > Breathe_Icon_Template.svg)
[07:16] <macvr> how do i do that? i got this link from the brethe icon wiki
[07:16] <PacoBuntu> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~simom/pidgin-webkit/trunk <-- how long before this is working again>
[07:17] <macvr> mwhudson: do i run that from terminal?
[07:17] <mwhudson> yes
[07:18] <macvr> mwhudson: ok.. its installing bzr package
[07:18] <macvr> for now
[07:18] <macvr> mwhudson: by the way , did the link work for u?
[07:19] <mwhudson> macvr: no, the server is having problems
[07:19] <mwhudson> PacoBuntu: soon, i hope!
[07:20] <macvr> mwhudson: ok... thanx how do i get the "bzr cat lp:~ " link for any other stuff i want?
[07:23] <mwhudson> PacoBuntu: working now
[07:23] <jmarsden> macvr: Won't bzr get lp:~username/projectname/branchname   # grab you all of the files in that branch?
[07:23] <mwhudson> jmarsden: yes, that's why i didn't say 'get'
[07:23] <mwhudson> oh right
[07:23] <mwhudson> well yes, if that's what you want
[07:23] <jmarsden> if you want more files... :)
[07:23]  * mwhudson goes to have breakfast
[07:24] <macvr> jmarsden: i want desktop backgrounds from..
[07:25] <macvr> jmarsden: never mind... the links started working :)
[07:25] <jmarsden> OK :)
[07:26] <macvr> jmarsden: actually i was trying to download stuff from gnome-look, which probably was loaded in bzr... was trying since 2 hrs but just now links started working again :)
[07:41] <MaWaLe> mornin' all
[07:41] <MaWaLe> where can i hav a po template and a pot template
[07:41] <MaWaLe> i want to start a translation for a trunk of one of our LoCo projects
[08:05] <MaWaLe> who is intended to review the imported queue of an uploaded translation files?
[08:08] <mdke> MaWaLe: I think this answers your first question - https://help.launchpad.net/TranslationsImportPolicy
[08:10] <mdke> MaWaLe: have a look also at https://help.launchpad.net/Translations/YourProject which is very informative
[08:10] <MaWaLe> thx mdke for the reply
[08:10] <MaWaLe> but i read it
[08:11] <MaWaLe> i asked for : where to have or how to make a po and pot template for a spécific project
[08:11] <MaWaLe> that is owned by our LoCo
[08:11] <mdke> oh, you want to know how to make a piece of software translatable?
[08:11] <MaWaLe> next i asked for "who is intended to review .po and .pot uploaded files
[08:12] <MaWaLe> infact : we want to implement a translation for a trunk wich will have a documentation content and a source code also
[08:13] <MaWaLe> so the first step is to translate the documentation part which is intended to provide specs
[08:13] <mdke> ok. well, making software translatable is rather beyond the scope of this channel, Launchpad is only suitable for projects which are already translatable
[08:13] <MaWaLe> next we'll also implement translation for the project
[08:13] <mdke> but for software, the most popular technology is gettext, I think - http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/gettext.html
[08:13] <mdke> for documentation, it depends on the format
[08:14] <mdke> if you use xml for your documentation, you can use poxml or xml2po
[08:14] <MaWaLe> mdke: and how to let people tranlsate documentation with LP
[08:14] <MaWaLe> it's a text file :(
[08:14] <mdke> MaWaLe: once you have your po template, you can upload it to Launchpad using the instructions I provided
[08:15] <MaWaLe> and how to make a po and pot files from the original text file?
[08:15] <mdke> I'm not familiar with translating text files, but google has revealed this utility, which might help: http://translate.sourceforge.net/wiki/toolkit/txt2po
[08:15] <mdke> good luck!
[08:16] <MaWaLe> thx mdke
[08:17] <MaWaLe> mdke: one last question if you don't mind
[08:17] <MaWaLe> who is intended to reviex the ulploaded po and pot files?
[08:17] <MaWaLe> s/reviex/review
[08:18] <mdke> the Launchpad translations team will review the upload initially, I think. After that, each upload can be done without review by the project maintainers
[10:57] <ka4lin> how long does it take a ppa archive to become active?
[11:01] <nbjayme> Greetings all!  how do I allow others to have commit access to my trunk / project (in launchpad)?
[11:11] <nbjayme> Ok. Got my answer from docs.  Need to create a team. :)
[13:05] <vadi2> this link doesn't seem to be working:
[13:05] <vadi2> http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x008940D610E4CD892340AB0A4CE987B57DAAC99C&op=index
[13:43] <jpds> vadi2: Works for me.
[13:43] <vadi2> Just started working again, yes. but slow
[14:26] <knielsen> hm, I see no subscription email notifications for this push to lp:maria: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~maria-captains/maria/5.1/revision/2704 (after ~30 minutes). Any way I can check if something is wrong, or if it is just delayed due to load or whatever?
[14:27] <vadi2> I think there's some load. I've had delays too today
[14:57] <johnf> has anyone had an issue where packages get built but not published?
[14:57] <johnf> It has only been about 5 minutes but normally I've always seen that step happen immediately
[14:58] <tsimpson> it happens every 20 mins
[14:58] <tsimpson> hh:00, hh:20 and hh:40
[14:58] <johnf> tsimpson: oh maybe I've always just been lucky :)
[14:59] <tsimpson> yeah, it can be easy not to realise
[15:03] <LarstiQ> hey johnf
[15:04] <johnf> LarstiQ: howdy
[16:52] <fta> why is there both jaunty and karmic on this page? https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/karmic/+source/cairo/+builds
[16:52] <fta> and why is one build still pending?
[16:56]  * knielsen wonders if Launchpad branch notification emails are broken, still no mail ~3 hours after pushing to lp:maria
[17:40] <maxb> fta: The score of 4 suggests that that's a rebuild-test
[17:43] <maxb> I think it's listing jaunty builds there because the version published in karmic is one that was built in jaunty
[17:45] <maxb> Oh, and I think the pending build relates to rebuild archive which was aborted
[17:46] <maxb> This is probably something to discuss with cprov when he's around
[17:49] <fta> ok, thx
[21:32] <Pegasus_RPG> hello
[21:34] <Pegasus_RPG> We're using BZR on Launchpad and have created a release branch from our vcs-imports/trunk branch
[21:34] <Pegasus_RPG> now we've merged vcs-imports with the main lp trunk branch
[21:34] <Pegasus_RPG> we'd now like to merge the changes from the release branch to the now-current trunk but keep the release branch for future bug fixes
[21:35] <Pegasus_RPG> how do we go about doing that? (And have LP copy the "fix committed" statuses from the series-marked bugs to the mainline status?)
[21:44] <Pegasus_RPG> see https://code.launchpad.net/mixxx
[22:01] <zu22> hi
[22:01] <zu22> i am signed into my launchpad.net account
[22:01] <zu22> how do i create my own project?
[22:01] <zu22> i don't see how i do that
[22:01] <zu22> i want to create a project and upload coad
[22:02] <zu22> code
[22:02] <tsimpson> see the "Create a new project" link on the front page
[22:03] <zu22> tsimpson: ah! i see it now. i was on my profile page
[22:04] <zu22> tsimpson: there is another meta-project i wish my project to be linked to, can i do that myself or i need permission of the meta-project owner?
[22:04] <tsimpson> zu22: I'm not sure, I've never done that
[22:05] <zu22> ok i will search the docs
[22:06] <zu22> tsimpson: what is difference between a project and a team? a team can also have code in it or just a project?
[22:06] <tsimpson> zu22: a team is a "group" of people, it can have code too
[22:07] <zu22> tsimpson: ok so a project is only 1 person
[22:07] <tsimpson> a project is not a person, it's a project ;)
[22:08] <zu22> tsimpson: heh ya
[22:08] <tsimpson> teams/people can be associated/work on any number of projects
[22:08] <zu22> oh cool
[22:09] <zu22> thanks
[22:09] <tsimpson> no problem :)
[23:16] <JonSnow> hello, is there a keyserver that runs on port 80?  I would like to launchpad PPA's key, but the default port (11371) is blocked by a firewall.


[00:06] <knome> it is actually wrong to say ubuntu and xubuntu are different *distros*. they aren't. xubuntu is just a "flavor" of ubuntu.
[00:07] <knome> the xubuntu team basically has to maintain only the xfce packages and anything else that xubuntu brings in to ubuntu
[00:08] <Sniper606> on distrowatch they are listed seperately
[00:08] <knome> that is a way less than having completely your own distro
[00:08] <knome> Sniper606, true, but they really aren't different *distros*
[00:08] <Sniper606> thats what was i see it too
[00:08] <Sniper606> *way
[00:08] <Sniper606> err
[00:08] <knome> Sniper606, if you have problems with the ubuntu distro, you have it in xubuntu as well
[00:09] <Sniper606> thats the way i see it too
[00:09] <knome> (if it's not gnome/some other non-xubuntu app specific)
[00:45] <SML1226> Is there any batch file converter that you know of that will convert unprotected wma's to mp3?
[00:46] <SML1226> I have 300+ songs and only about 20 are mp3 but I am moving to something that doesn't support wma anymore
[00:47] <SML1226> a program for windows would work but is not prefered (xubu is much faster on this machine)
[01:21] <SML1226> Hey did anybody answer my question (Batch music converter)? I left for 5 mins and this stupid computer restarted itself
[01:22] <cody-somerville> SML1226, I'm sure there is something
[01:22] <cody-somerville> If not for mp3, for ogg
[01:23] <SML1226> ok I just want to get rid of the complication caused by wma
[01:23] <SML1226> I'll look around. Just wondering if anybody could recomend one
[02:26] <monskee> Hello! I was wondering if anyone could help me.... I have googled my problem... found it, but am all confused! (i'm a windows refugee!)
[02:26] <monskee> Just installed xubuntu using wubi and installation went fine (4th time around)
[02:26] <monskee> then when i try to boot it first dropps me to shell!
[02:26] <monskee> (how cheeky)
[02:27] <Kangarooo> !ask : monskee
[02:27] <monskee> !with ALERT! /dev/disk/by-uuid/xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx does not exist
[02:28] <monskee> anyone know where I might find some help? (is this the right place?)
[02:29] <Kangarooo> u wanted 2 partitions or full partition with xubuntu?
[02:29] <cody-somerville> wubi installs can easily be upset unfortunately
[02:30] <monskee> yeah they're like a crying child
[02:30] <monskee> urm
[02:30] <monskee> just trying xubuntu out
[02:30] <monskee> for my uncle
[02:30] <monskee> so have installed xubuntu on windows
[02:31] <monskee> urm dual partition is that?
[02:31] <monskee> stupid windows
[02:31] <Kangarooo> better download 9.04 beta http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/releases/9.04/beta/ and rip to disk in CD-RW so later u can use it again i want to try other distros :)
[02:32] <Kangarooo> i installed dual boot but not using window anymore so soon ill make full install
[02:33] <monskee> grrr no cd writing here i'm afraid - it's the philippines
[02:35] <Kangarooo> ouh and i recoomend using EXT4  its faster :) on install step take manual and make one table / all but leave amount same as ram and make it as swap-
[02:35] <Kangarooo> ? you can write as many xubuntu and other linux as much as u want its free
[02:36] <Kangarooo> in philipines there are no Cd recorders or linux is forbiden? philipines like state in usa?
[02:37] <monskee> lol no it's not forbidden - just i'm on holiday and they haven't got a cd-writer connected to the internet for miles :)
[02:37] <monskee> it's a country
[02:38] <Kangarooo> wow its near china.. hey cool :)
[02:38] <Kangarooo> im in Latvia :)
[02:38] <monskee> :)
[02:38] <monskee> i'm from england
[02:38] <monskee> (you'll know where THAT is :)
[02:39] <Kangarooo> so u can go to internet cafe and download and write
[02:39] <Kangarooo> yes :)
[02:39] <monskee> don't have the caaaash
[02:39] <monskee> or the tiiiiime
[02:40] <monskee> is it a complicated problem?
[02:40] <monskee> that i need to get a live cd for?
[02:40] <monskee> (cos then he'll just have to stick with stupid slow xp
[02:40] <monskee> )
[02:40] <monskee> if i type 'exit' in the boot shell wotzit then i get through to xubuntu...
[02:40] <Kangarooo> its really big price in philipines? i should check it out first on pictures... well but if installation pc dont have internet you wont have updates so better stable version 8.10
[02:40] <monskee> but i think no sound
[02:41] <monskee> it does!
[02:41] <monskee> i'm on installation pc now!
[02:41] <monskee> this is 8.10
[02:43] <Kangarooo> if its new computer and it allows install from usb make usb installation check !google:usb xubuntu bootable. how u like in philipines?
[02:43] <monskee> tried that 1st
[02:43] <monskee> can't boot
[02:43] <monskee> from usb
[02:43] <monskee> love it
[02:43] <monskee> it's really hot
[02:43] <monskee> andi got a basketball kit made for me!
[02:45] <Kangarooo> meet neighbors make marketing about xubuntu - fast & free and rip cd there ;)
[02:48] <Kangarooo> monskee: there is ubuntu LoCo team there also check #ubuntu-ph  and
[02:52] <Kangarooo> monskee: there in PH are internetcafes with ubuntu http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=572112
[02:52] <monskee> oh cool
[02:54] <Kangarooo> go to /j #ubuntu-ph
[02:55] <monskee> thx
[04:05] <kromar> how can i take a screenshot?
[04:10] <indo_slo> accessories > screenshot? 9.04
[04:10] <indo_slo> kromar: prnt scrn key
[04:11] <kromar> when i use the key i cant paste it in gimp...
[04:12] <kromar> so i assume it doesent take one
[05:10] <monskee_> my filemanager in xubuntu has crashed (not responding) how do i force close it?
[06:48] <MTec007> can i bind the windows key on my keyboard to the applications menu?
[06:48] <MTec007> like windows does?
[07:49] <lukinfore> MTec007, command is xfce4-popup-menu
[07:56] <MTec007> lukinfore, i can set the shortcut and it is set as Super+Super_L but it wont work when i go to use it.
[08:09] <lukinfore> MTec007, Super+Super_L? I belive, on standard keyboards, there is separate Menu key, first after right super, on mine. But however maybe mentioned keystroke had been already binded for something?
[08:09] <lukinfore> and it captured before use for menu popup
[08:13] <lukinfore> or, what version do xfce do you have?
[08:13] <lukinfore> is that command works just from terminal?
[08:13] <lukinfore> *of xfce
[09:13] <MTec007_> lukinfore, is there any way to tell if or what binded the keystroke and how i can unset it possibly?
[09:15] <lukinfore> MTec007_, not sure
[09:15] <MTec007_> i dont think i have a right super, im on a laptop but i do have the infamous 'right click menu' key
[09:16] <lukinfore> one that comes to mind what could capture key before xfce is compiz
[09:16] <MTec007_> maybe with more searching ill find an answer
[09:16] <lukinfore> maybe xev, could tell you smth useful
[09:17] <lukinfore> or not
[09:17] <lukinfore> so you have xfce4-popup-menu working from terminal?
[09:18] <MTec007_> yes
[09:18] <lukinfore> but other keybinding work?
[09:18] <MTec007_> control esc, the default
[09:19] <MTec007_> didnt test others
[09:19] <MTec007_> can i post the xev here? or maybe in a pmsg?
[09:19] <lukinfore> well, i'm not skilled enough to grab info from
[09:19] <MTec007_> ok
[09:22] <MTec007_> by the looks of the ctl+esc compared to the super+super_l nothing is grabbing it away from the command
[09:25] <MTec007_> oh and compiz is not installed, fyi
[09:25] <MTec007_> not exactly sure what that is though
[09:37] <MTec007_> found answer, bug 249945 in launchpad  fixed in latest relase of Jaunty Jackalope (posted 2-14) simple fix is to edit ./config/xfce4/shortcuts/shortcut.xml and change Super+Super_L to Super_L
[09:38] <MTec007_> works great now
[09:59] <BigMoopies> Would there be anything wrong with running apt-get update , in roots crontab ?
[10:15] <pieter_> do ati drivers on xubuntu work?
[11:01] <Puppet_Master> Hello
[11:02] <Puppet_Master> I've juste updated my xubuntu and the sound stop working
[11:02] <Puppet_Master> because of this :
[11:02] <Puppet_Master> [  176.232806] snd_hda_intel: Unknown symbol snd_pcm_lib_malloc_pages
[11:02] <Puppet_Master> and a lot of messages like this
[11:03] <Puppet_Master> somebody have an idea ?
[11:07] <remink> yo' !
[11:29] <SiDi> Puppet_Master, try #ubuntu if noone answers here ;) It's still morning :P
[11:31] <Puppet_Master> SiDi, ok thx
[12:37] <tingle> !release
[12:58] <indo> is there a way quick way to configure my touchpad?
[14:42] <fortunev> Idea. Would it bee a good thing to include Fluxbox as a secondary WM for xubuntu?
[14:57] <cody-somerville> No
[14:57] <cody-somerville> There is Fluxbuntu for that
[15:23] <genady12_> hey, someone knows a good way to see samba shares?
[15:29] <Slonkie> Anyone know of an Application which makes me capable of syncing my PDA (windows 5 mobile edition) with an calender on my xubuntu PC?
[15:38] <charlie-tca> Slonkie: have you looked at "multisync"
[15:39] <Slonkie> Nope, but i'll see if it works, thanks.
[15:39] <charlie-tca> There is also "gnome-pilot" for Palm
[15:40] <Slonkie> Well mines a HP iPAQ, but thanks ;).
[15:41] <charlie-tca> multisync might work, then. It handles several different brands
[16:12] <edoceo> I just upgraded from Hardy to INtrepid and now my WiFi don't go :(  I can see 'wifi0' in the output of ifconfig but in xfce there is no network control indicator
[16:40] <cody-somerville> There is no network-manager applet?
[18:23] <LiquidRain> Hello.  Are keyboard repeat rate settings broken in Xubuntu 9.04 beta? (fully updated) I am trying to change them to no effect and I can't find any bugs about it on Launchpad.
[18:25] <ricochet> hey guys i have a dell mini 9 and a Kodak Zi6, when i take 720p @ 60fps and pop the SD into the mini, when i try to play the videos its extremely choppy and the video often stops while the audio continues
[18:25] <ricochet> i am running jaunty
[18:25] <LiquidRain> ricochet: a mini 9 is likely not powerful enough to play 720p playback
[18:25] <ricochet> ahh really? so its just the hardware?
[18:25] <LiquidRain> Yep.  Oh man at 60fps?
[18:25] <LiquidRain> Yeah you DEFINITELY need more hardware to play that back.
[18:26] <ricochet> hahaha damn.
[18:26] <LiquidRain> You'll need a reasonably powerful laptop/desktop, at least a 2GHz Core 2 Duo/Athlon X2 I'd say
[18:26] <LiquidRain> the Mini 9 has a really weak little Intel Atom chip.  no way it'd keep up.
[18:26] <ricochet> Kodak Zi6! damn it to hell.
[18:27] <ricochet> so wait, why can the Zi6 play it back?
[18:27] <ricochet> well
[18:27] <ricochet> nevermind that was a dumb question
[18:27] <LiquidRain> it has dedicated MPEG chips
[18:27] <ricochet> yeah, i realized that after i said it
[18:27] <ricochet> < doesnt think before he speaks
[18:27] <LiquidRain> are you running Xubuntu Jaunty?
[18:28] <ricochet> yep
[18:28] <LiquidRain> Can you check something for me?
[18:28] <ricochet> yep
[18:28] <LiquidRain> Go into the XFCE Keyboard settings and change your delay/repeat rate and test it
[18:28] <ricochet> is it going to mess up my computer?
[18:28] <LiquidRain> They don't change for me, it just uses whatever the system default is.
[18:28] <LiquidRain> nope, just remember what the repeat/delay values are if you want to reset it :)
[18:29] <ricochet> repeat delay: 500
[18:29] <ricochet> repeat speed: 20
[18:29] <LiquidRain> if you shorten it, and test it using the test box, does it change anything?
[18:29] <LiquidRain> or does it stay the same?
[18:30] <LiquidRain> if I change the settings on mine, the behaviour does not change at all.  changing the settings won't work and I might have to file a bug on it.
[18:31] <ricochet> i am not sure what its supposed to change
[18:31] <ricochet> it doesnt look much different
[18:31] <LiquidRain> hold down a key on your keyboard
[18:31] <LiquidRain> "Delay" changes the amount of time till the key starts repeating
[18:31] <LiquidRain> and "Rate" changes how fast the key repeats
[18:31] <LiquidRain> if nothing is changing when you move the sliders than this is indeed a bug
[18:32] <ricochet> ok the repeat speed works
[18:32] <ricochet> i dont think the repeat delay does
[18:32] <LiquidRain> hmm
[18:33] <LiquidRain> yup, that's the bug alright...
[18:35] <ricochet> am i going to have to reinstall everything when the final release comes?
[18:35] <LiquidRain> my experience has been "no"
[18:36] <LiquidRain> you'll just see a lot less updates to packages all of a sudden :)
[18:36] <ricochet> haha yeah it works for now
[18:37] <ricochet> i am leaving the country in a few weeks
[18:37] <acmeinc> The updates that were sent out to my Xubuntu (jaunty) last night, turned my Xubuntu machine into a Gnome DM...has this been a popular topic today?
[18:37] <LiquidRain> acmeinc: couldn't tell you, just got in. I am fully updated and did not have any issues though.
[18:37] <ricochet> haha i havent done the updates yet
[18:38] <acmeinc> i posted to the forum...there is a screen shot there...would you like the link?
[18:38] <LiquidRain> acmeinc: I don't think I'd be capable of helping, I'm just a regular user here. :)
[18:38] <LiquidRain> but sure, link away
[18:38] <LiquidRain> and I just doublechecked, I'm fully updated and no problems.
[18:38] <charlie-tca> acmeinc: you mean Xfce went away and gnome was installed instead?
[18:39] <charlie-tca> Might log out and select Xfce session from the login options
[18:39] <acmeinc> odd...Charlie:  no i normally run xubuntu, and last nite there was an update available, i installed, and restarted (it asked me to restart), when my machine came back up, it was Gnome, rather than xfce, and there were some errors
[18:40] <charlie-tca> I haven't seen that. and I am fully up to date
[18:40] <genii> Might be some dep quirk since both use gdm
[18:40] <charlie-tca> Did you have only xubuntu on there?
[18:40] <acmeinc> yep
[18:40] <acmeinc> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1127373
[18:41] <charlie-tca> The only thing in that image is the gnome error message?
[18:42] <LiquidRain> if someone else can confirm that changing the keyboard repeat delay doesn't work in Xubuntu, I'll go ahead and file a bug.
[18:42] <charlie-tca> Since Xubuntu uses xfce fast user switcher, that is probably a good question it asked
[18:42] <acmeinc> i know...after a few restarts..i decided to click "delete"...i restarted once more, and no dice
[18:43] <charlie-tca> did you select "xfce session"?
[18:43] <acmeinc> no login window...let me try....
[18:44] <charlie-tca> You should get a gdm login window. Are you auto-logging in to the desktop, then?
[18:46] <acmeinc> Ok. charlie, I'm now in xfce, however my settings are all wrong, and nothing looks how it used to....furthermore, i noticed in the session drop down a selction of xclient script...i bet the update messed with my xclient script, as that seemed to be the default setting
[18:47] <charlie-tca> hmmm, wonder how long you haven't been booting into xfce?
[18:47] <acmeinc> i reboot every day...so it was definately the update that changed something
[18:48] <acmeinc> ...either way i have to go to work
[18:48] <charlie-tca> good luck
[18:48] <acmeinc> i ahve a hot swap drive which will p0ut me back to my old settings
[18:48] <acmeinc> thx for the help
[18:49] <charlie-tca> you are welcome
[18:51] <LiquidRain> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-settings/+bug/362455
[18:51] <LiquidRain> if someone would be so kind as to confirm/not confirm the bug in comments I'd appreciate it
[18:51] <charlie-tca> let me see, my fresh install just finished
[18:52] <LiquidRain> thanks
[18:54] <charlie-tca> repeat speed changes; delay does not seem too
[18:54] <LiquidRain> Yep, that's the bug alright.  So I'm not going crazy, great. :)
[18:58] <charlie-tca> not only that but also reported to xfce.bugzilla.org
[18:59] <LiquidRain> ohh yeah I see that
[18:59] <LiquidRain> looks like someone just made a type in the code and XFCE hasn't fixed it
[19:00] <charlie-tca> I'm going to add to that report and link it to launchpad
[19:03] <charlie-tca> okay, done
[19:03] <LiquidRain> thanks!
[19:03] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[19:06] <knome> charlie-tca, you too.
[19:06] <charlie-tca> what, me too?
[19:06] <knome> charlie-tca, you are welcome here as well.
[19:06]  * charlie-tca did not
[19:07] <knome> charlie-tca, just ping me a few days before coming, i'll prepare a meal for you
[19:07] <charlie-tca> okay, great!
[19:07] <charlie-tca> thanks
[19:31] <cjones> where can i find a good guide on installing software from source
[19:32] <knome> !build | cjones
[19:33] <cjones> knomw thanks
[19:36] <SiDi> !cookie
[19:36] <charlie-tca> !coffee
[19:36] <Slonkie> lol
[19:37]  * genii decides to have one
[19:38] <knome> one cookie or one coffee?
[19:39] <Slonkie> or both
[19:39] <roadrunner1> is there a way to make a message box popup in GUI from the command-line?
[19:39] <SiDi> !coffee
[19:39] <charlie-tca> It is called zenity
[19:39] <charlie-tca> !zenity
[19:40] <charlie-tca> !info zenity
[19:40] <SiDi> roadrunner1, notify-send can send notifications, and with notify-osd if you set timeout to 0 it'll display a popup instead
[19:40] <roadrunner1> cool
[19:40] <charlie-tca> or just use zenity
[19:45] <LiquidRain> Does anyone else use Quod Libet?  It does not seem to save its minimized window state when closed and re-opened. (a regression)  Is this QL's fault or XFCE's?
[19:46] <LiquidRain> then again it might be the Tray Icon plugin not working correctly
[19:47] <LiquidRain> yeah that appears to be it.
[20:11] <SiDi> !kitten
[20:11] <SiDi> pff
[20:12] <knome> Kitten is a traditional knomish meal. It is best served hot in a chilisauce.
[20:17] <charlie-tca> lol
[20:17] <charlie-tca> and I thought it was the flat thing left when the truck pulled out
[20:27] <roadrunner1> zenity worked great
[20:55] <slow-motion> hi
[20:58] <charlie-tca> Hello, slow-motion
[20:58] <knome> sl
[20:58] <knome> ow
[20:58] <knome> mo
[20:58] <knome> ti
[20:58] <slow-motion> hi charlie-tca
[20:58] <knome> on
[20:58] <knome> ;)
[20:58] <slow-motion> hi knome
[20:58] <knome> o/
[21:07] <melkart> i cant install xubuntu rc in a virtualbox, using the "install xubuntu" option right away from the boot. it gets stuck at 86%
[21:17] <charlie-tca> alternate or desktop cd?
[21:18] <melkart> desktop cd
[21:18] <charlie-tca> give it enough memory?
[21:19] <charlie-tca> might be just working too, in the background. try rt-ctrl + F4 to see tty4 in vbox, it should tell you if it is stuck or doing things.
[21:19] <charlie-tca> It gives the time in the left column, which should be close to the actual minutes, at least.
[21:20] <melkart> thx, havent tried that yet
[21:21] <melkart> damn, turned that machine off :(
[21:21] <charlie-tca> Huh?
[21:22] <charlie-tca> right-ctrl+F4?
[21:22] <melkart> well... i mean, now i'll have to go through the whole installation again in order to be able to check what is written in the tty4
[21:22] <slow-motion> n8
[21:22] <charlie-tca> right-ctrl should be your host key, it replaces ctrl+alt in vbox
[21:23] <melkart> hm... the screenblanker switches on at about that time, when installation is 86% through
[21:23] <charlie-tca> which cd, 64 or 38?
[21:23] <charlie-tca> 386?
[21:23] <melkart> (i am installing ubuntu in a vbox right now, and this just happened)
[21:23] <melkart> 386
[21:23] <charlie-tca> I will run here and see. Xubuntu or ubuntu?
[21:24] <LiquidRain> What host and vbox version?
[21:24] <charlie-tca> I never had screensaver kick in, I usually move the mouse every couple minutes to keep it from happening
[21:24] <melkart> well, it got stuck with xubuntu. with ubuntu i tried out some daily builds and it always worked... and now it's 90% through and still works so i guess that with ubuntu it works fine
[21:24] <melkart> vbox 2.20 directly from sun
[21:24] <melkart> alsa sound driver. 512 MB main memory, 12 MB graphics memory, no 3d acceleration
[21:24] <melkart> host: debian lenny
[21:25] <charlie-tca> I use the same things, with 3d, host: Jaunty
[21:25] <melkart> german/deutsch localisation. and i chose "xubuntu installieren" directly from boot. and chose "use whole hard disk (automatic)"
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Yeah, I give them 10GB hard drives
[21:26] <charlie-tca> I have not had it lock up yet
[21:26] <melkart> i see. i gave it 8 GB hard disk... with dynamic enlargement (or how it is called). not fixed size
[21:26] <charlie-tca> Well, the day I start 6 installations at once, it did.
[21:27] <charlie-tca> right, no point in a fixed size. It just takes away real drive space
[21:28] <charlie-tca> But I ran all my testing on a hardware system yesterday. I'll try it in VBox
[21:31] <charlie-tca> Yay! release candidate is here...
[21:51] <melkart> tried again... now it looks as if the error does not happen again... sorry for the false alarm
[21:52] <charlie-tca> No problem. I have it running myself, but the screensaver has not kicked in, at 82% now
[21:52] <charlie-tca> I'll play with it a little, maybe turn the time down, see if the screensaver is locking it up.
[21:54] <charlie-tca> I'm at 83%, downloading language packs, with 7 minutes remaining for the download. That might be what it was.
[21:54] <charlie-tca> Maybe it lost the connection, and that locked it up?
[21:54] <melkart> yes, maybe
[21:55] <charlie-tca> Thanks for letting us know. It is something to watch for
[21:56] <melkart> are you a xubuntu developer?
[21:56] <charlie-tca> No, just the QA and testing
[21:56] <charlie-tca> lead
[21:56] <melkart> i see. thank you for your efforts
[21:57] <charlie-tca> you're welcome. I hate things going wrong when I think they shouldn't.
[22:19] <ricochet> i have a question for everyone.. i have a dell mini 9 with xubuntu jaunty on it.. and i dont think the wired network coonnection works.. the wireless works perfectly
[22:19] <ricochet> any ideas?
[23:40] <Kangarooo> i shared a foder in xubuntu and cant copy file from other pc to that folder thrue network ...
[23:41] <davidx> hello folks..just installed xubuntu on my rig and was wondering if i could network with my Mac?
[23:42] <davidx> i remember when i used regular Ubuntu, i was able to di it(although it was a pin)
[23:45] <davidx> anyone?
[23:47] <charlie-tca> Kangarooo: what kind of network connection?