[00:33] <maltedik> how long does a complete qt+kde-compile take approximatly on a 3 GHz machine?
[00:33] <maltedik> netto
[00:34] <stdin> a long time
[00:35] <maltedik> thatd be days!
[00:35] <maltedik> ;9
[00:36] <maltedik> arrr. i meant qt+kdebase!
[00:40] <stdin> probably around 5 hours at a guess
[00:42] <maltedik> thx
[01:26] <sebas> maltedik: 3 hours in total, maybe?
[01:26] <sebas> That's if you also build kdelibs and kdepimlibs
[01:31] <maltedik> too long to stay awake till its finished. thats all i had to know...
[02:42] <dAskreeCh> Nightrose: ping
[03:04] <maltedik> fuckfuckfuck! why did i stay up? whyyyy?
[07:15] <mouz> apachelogger: if you've been thinking about a next task for me i'd like to know. I can also pick out something nice myself, but chances are there it will be less useful for a bigger picture (assuming such a thing exists).
[10:00]  * Riddell whistles a good morning tune
[10:05] <Tm_T> :)
[10:05] <Tm_T> Riddell: it is, comrade, it is
[10:20] <Xand3r> hey ho
[10:35] <Riddell> hi Xand3r
[10:36] <Xand3r> i have a question, qutim is uploaded now, when will it be build?
[10:39] <Riddell> Xand3r: it's in new, it'll need to be approved by an archive admin
[10:39] <Riddell> then it'll build in a few hours
[10:40] <Riddell> then its binaries need to be approved by an archive admin
[10:40] <Riddell> then it's done
[10:40] <Xand3r> ok, much time will go
[10:40] <apachelogger> mouz: there is no less useful task in packaging ;-) I'd recommend you search another application to package with debhelper
[10:41] <Riddell> Xand3r: it's my archive admin day today, things usually get done when I'm on duty :)
[10:42] <Xand3r> :)
[10:43] <apachelogger> :D
[10:43]  * apachelogger hands Riddell a cookie
[11:48] <Riddell> smarter: W: webkitkde: non-dev-pkg-with-shlib-symlink usr/lib/libwebkitkde.so.1.0.0 usr/lib/libwebkitkde.so
[11:49] <Riddell> probably the .so and .h files are best just removed for now until something needs them
[12:00] <smarter> Riddell: ok
[12:06] <nixternal> good mornin'
[12:11] <apachelogger> oh
[12:12] <apachelogger> shiny new project page for ubuntu :D
[12:12] <apachelogger> gmorning nixternal
[12:12] <Riddell> apachelogger: where's that?
[12:12] <apachelogger> Riddell: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu
[12:13] <Riddell> bling bling
[12:15] <Riddell> du -h /usr/share/doc/kde/HTML/*/amarok/ --total  hmm
[12:15] <Riddell> might be worth splitting that out
[12:15] <apachelogger> ack
[12:16] <apachelogger> actually I asked the translators to compress their images... apparently they never got round to do that :|
[12:33]  * nixternal sets up pbuilder on the work lappy - time to get some work done around here!
[12:33]  * nixternal just realized he fired of DIST=hardy
[12:33] <nixternal> off
[12:33] <Jucato> smart :)
[12:34] <nixternal> tis ok, I will fire off intrepid now :)
[12:34] <nixternal> Riddell: gotta list of work to do? I need something to do today while I am hiding away at work :)
[12:35] <Riddell> nixternal: able to test CDs?
[12:35] <nixternal> ya, I should be able to do that
[12:35] <nixternal> I will use the ultra fast pipe at work and down them all :)
[12:36] <Riddell> nixternal: hardy.1 could do with someone checking it actually works http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/
[12:36] <nixternal> roger that...any merges or bug fixes needing work?
[12:37] <nixternal> I need to check for a KDE 4 kvkbd, add that to my todo list
[12:37] <Riddell> we should probably replace koffice with koffice 2
[12:37] <nixternal> what are we going to do about kmilo with kde4?
[12:38] <nixternal> I would love for all of my keys to work
[12:38] <Riddell> we need to rescue the keyboard mappings that kde 3 had, then make sure kmix/amarok/guidance-power-manager listens to them all
[12:39] <nixternal> what file(s) are the mappings located again so I don't have to search like crazy
[12:39] <nixternal> I used to remember where they were so I could tweak them for my kb
[12:41] <Riddell> kdeutils somewhere
[12:42] <Riddell> not sure where we want to add it now, something in kdebase would do
[12:42] <nixternal> true
[12:43] <Riddell> or kubuntu-default-settings
[12:44] <Riddell> which I havn't touched for intrepid
[12:46] <Riddell> so you could tidy up kubuntu-default-settings
[12:46] <nixternal> ooh fun :)
[12:46] <nixternal> like remove the kde3 bits?
[12:46] <Riddell> yep
[12:46] <nixternal> or update the kde3 bits to reflect kde4
[12:46] <Riddell> we did that for hardy
[12:46] <Riddell> so just remove the kde 3 bits
[12:46] <Riddell> and the mouse
[12:47] <nixternal> who put a mouse in there :P
[12:47] <Riddell> cursor
[13:02]  * nixternal heads to work - everyone have a great day!
[14:43] <seele> damnit.. missed Artemis_Fowl again
[15:21] <vorian> aloha, why the hate from this http://paste.ubuntu.com/24227/ ?
[15:21] <vorian> :)
[15:23] <ScottK> Missing build-dep on some qt opengl thing?
[15:26] <vorian> looks like it
[15:27] <vorian> i thnk it'd be libqt4-opengl-dev
[15:32]  * Xand3r is now working on kgmailnotifier
[15:46] <Riddell> Xand3r: new version?
[15:47] <Xand3r> jep
[15:50] <nixternal> Riddell: ISOs, good news or bad news first?
[15:50] <Riddell> nixternal: both!
[15:50] <nixternal> .1 ISOs
[15:50] <nixternal> Bad News: I am at work :(
[15:51] <Riddell> that's not unexpected
[15:51] <nixternal> Good News: They work! encryption works! live works! daily works! no bugs I came across
[15:51] <vorian> ScottK: worked :) thanks
[15:52] <ScottK> No problem.
[15:52] <ScottK> Glad I could help.
[15:52] <nixternal> here is how stupid RPMs are....you have no idea where they come from just by looking at them
[15:52] <vorian> I was missing the obvious
[15:53] <nixternal> I am in the process of updating a ton of them, and just by looking at the packaging name, I have no clue if they are from fedora, red hat, centos, or any other rpm repo out there
[15:53] <nixternal> totally ridiculous
[15:53] <Riddell> the same is true of .debs
[15:53]  * nixternal loves x.x-xubuntux or just x.x-x, I know where they come from at least
[15:54] <nixternal> Riddell: well we know where Ubuntu pkgs come from, you can't say that about CentOS
[15:54] <nixternal> they either pull from Red Hat, Fedora, or some RPM cest pool
[15:55] <apachelogger> we don't know where xandros packages come from
[15:55] <nixternal> apachelogger: microsoft :P
[15:55] <Riddell> linspire
[15:55] <apachelogger> wells
[15:55] <nixternal> linspire is sharing?
[15:55] <apachelogger> in fact we don't know what exactly they are providing like their strange only-with-subscription-music-palyer which is actually amarok
[15:55] <apachelogger> nixternal: xandros ate linspire
[15:56] <apachelogger> literally
[15:56] <nixternal> nice
[15:56]  * apachelogger always imagined xandros as some kind of evil shark
[15:56] <apachelogger> eating users
[15:56] <nixternal> 2 of the worst operating systems I have ever tried, next to Windows ME
[15:56] <nixternal> gOS is right up there too
[15:56] <apachelogger> hm
[15:56] <apachelogger> windows me was pretty good!
[15:57] <nixternal> wth? you are a horrible comedian
[15:57] <apachelogger> -.-
[15:57] <nixternal> ;p
[15:57] <apachelogger> pfft
[15:57] <nixternal> haha
[15:57] <apachelogger> again, no taste for the beautiful things :P
[15:57] <nixternal> I love it when my boss doesn't show up
[15:57] <Riddell> ..just so long as he doesn't read irc logs
[15:58] <ScottK> Xandros was my first Linux distro.  It got me started for the first 6 months until I got tired of the training wheels.
[15:58] <Jucato> nixternal: it's like waiting for your teacher in a 1 hour class... and you're told to wait... 45 minutes later, you learn that he won't be coming in :)
[15:58] <nixternal> in case anyone is interested, Red Hat is looking for some community people to work for them...once again I had to say no
[15:58] <Hobbsee> nixternal: i thought you were already working for htem?
[15:58] <nixternal> Riddell: hahaha, I am sure he doesn't
[15:58] <nixternal> Hobbsee: heck no, they tried to rob me of my manhood, I mean Kubuntu :P
[15:58] <apachelogger> hum
[15:59] <Hobbsee> heh
[15:59]  * apachelogger wouldn't have a problem with that
[15:59] <Xand3r> apachelogger: shuld i build itfor kde3 or kde4?
[15:59] <nixternal> apachelogger: you can't work with Kubuntu anymore with one of their community spots
[15:59] <Riddell> anyone know an emma? Hobbsee?
[15:59] <apachelogger> nixternal: well
[15:59] <apachelogger> kubuntu ain't all that good
[15:59] <nixternal> Riddell: yes, she is a spammer
[15:59] <apachelogger> really, I would trade it in for a job @ MS anytime
[15:59] <nixternal> I stuck up for her until she started back up bothering people, especially Hobbsee
[16:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes, why?
[16:00] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you can only build it for the version it was developed for :P
[16:00]  * Hobbsee twitches
[16:00] <nixternal> the name 'emma' alone causes Hobbsee to explode and do nasty things with the stick of doom
[16:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: she wants me to lift the ban on this channel
[16:00] <nixternal> !hobbsee
[16:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: tell her that i said no.
[16:00] <\sh> Hobbsee: the emma from -meeting the last time?
[16:00] <Xand3r> apachelogger: hmm... could be^^
[16:00] <nixternal> booyah, I knew that one was coming
[16:00] <nixternal> \sh: yes
[16:00] <Hobbsee> \sh: yeah, that's the one.
[16:00]  * apachelogger didn't see the stick in quite some time
[16:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: she's terrible for doing anything productive and staying on topic, so...
[16:00] <apachelogger> nothing to phear!
[16:01] <nixternal> apachelogger: that's what happens when you use Gnome, it dumbs down the stick
[16:01] <nixternal> now it is the 'pointy stick of gDoom'
[16:01] <apachelogger> yeah
[16:01] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i'm not sure if you ever saw the part before the tutorials day, but there were technical discussions, and all she could manage to say was "oh, that nixternal seems like a nice man".
[16:01] <apachelogger> stupid stick that is
[16:01] <nixternal> Hobbsee: she was my stalker?
[16:01] <Hobbsee> completely at random, apart from it being mentioend that nixternal had been working on whatever we were discussing.
[16:01] <\sh> Hobbsee: which is not a lie, or? ,-)
[16:01] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yeah.
[16:01] <Jucato> which is a lie!
[16:02] <nixternal> hahaha, Jucato you arse :P
[16:02] <Hobbsee> \sh: oh, i doubt it's a lie, but it's certainly not helpful or productive to development : P
[16:02] <apachelogger> hm
[16:02] <apachelogger> \sh: go revu touchfreeze :P
[16:02] <\sh> apachelogger: my chroots are updating ;)
[16:02] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you'll also find that she's very argumentative, and doesn't do what she's told, if she doesn't like it.
[16:03] <apachelogger> chroots don't do updates, they are up-to-date
[16:03] <Hobbsee> so, go ahead and decide whether you want a person like that in here.
[16:03] <nixternal> uh oh, here comes Nightrose
[16:03] <nixternal> at least kopete said so
[16:03] <Nightrose> hehe
[16:03] <apachelogger> oh boy
[16:03] <apachelogger> my kopete is b0rked!
[16:03] <\sh> apachelogger: building now
[16:03] <apachelogger> quite bad actually
[16:03] <\sh> kopete is borked from top to bottom and vice versa
[16:03] <apachelogger> Nightrose: can you please tell the amarok guys to stop flooding my inbox with commits
[16:04] <apachelogger> that ain't very helpful for my mail cleanup
[16:04] <Nightrose> apachelogger: nope sorry :P
[16:04] <\sh> instead of forgetting about contacts with unknown transports, no...kopete needs to crash without a reason and a good error message
[16:04] <apachelogger> \sh: that will all change once the tapioca stuff is ready
[16:04] <apachelogger> topiaca
[16:04] <apachelogger> well
[16:04] <\sh> apachelogger: tapioca? why can't they just use psi ;-)
[16:04] <apachelogger> something like that
[16:04]  * Hobbsee pokes apachelogger with the pointy end of the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™
[16:04] <apachelogger> jeeez
[16:05] <Nightrose> haha
[16:05]  * apachelogger starts crying
[16:05] <nixternal> Hobbsee: s/DOOM/gDOOM/ :P
[16:05] <Hobbsee> hah
[16:05] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: do you ever use the other end?
[16:05] <Nightrose> :P
[16:05] <apachelogger> now that ain't fair at all :'-(
[16:05] <Hobbsee> nixternal: no, it's desktop-agnostic
[16:05]  * Hobbsee pokes Nightrose with the very pointy end of the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!™
[16:05] <Nightrose> rofl
[16:05] <Nightrose> I see
[16:05] <Nightrose> you do
[16:05]  * apachelogger throws a sonic screwdriver at the LPSogDtm
[16:06] <apachelogger> as said, stupid stick it is!
[16:06]  * apachelogger better gets himself a motu force field
[16:06] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: yup.  apachelogger was lucky - he only got the pointy end.
[16:06] <Nightrose> ;-)
[16:07]  * Hobbsee catches hte sonic screwdriver.  neat!  this should come in handy!
[16:07] <apachelogger> now that was one long flight :P
[16:09] <apachelogger> hum
[16:10] <apachelogger> add ideas to bug 238370
[16:10] <apachelogger> super important bug
[16:10] <Hobbsee> fail.
[16:10] <apachelogger> make that ubersuper important
[16:11] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: hwo do you get around the problem of ensuring that the build environment is the same, everywhere, and has not been tampered with?
[16:12] <apachelogger> I have no idea
[16:12] <Hobbsee> until someone comes up wiht a good solution to that problem, it won't get done.
[16:12] <apachelogger> that's the reason I asked for ideas :P
[16:13] <Hobbsee> you asked for ideas?  i thought you just said it was importatn.
[16:13] <apachelogger> the bug is important, that's why one should add ideas :P
[16:14] <Xand3r> ^^
[16:14] <\sh> apachelogger: done
[16:15] <Nightrose> not sure but i think fedora has something like that if I understood correctly
[16:15] <Nightrose> might be worth looking into how they do it
[16:15] <Hobbsee> i didn't think they even attempted to address the issues about the rpm's being trusted or not?
[16:15] <Nightrose> dunno
[16:18] <\sh> apachelogger: please upload xml-commons-external too :)
[16:19] <apachelogger> \sh: k
[16:30] <apachelogger> Riddell: touchfreeze waiting in new :)
[16:59] <Xand3r> apachelogger: have you got some time for me?
[17:01] <Xand3r> may be some one else could help me, i have this lintian warning "binary-or-shlib-defines-rpath ./usr/bin/kgmailnotifier /usr/lib"
[17:01] <Xand3r> i dont undertand the report of lintian.debian
[17:01] <Xand3r> so i dont know what to do
[17:02] <Riddell> Xand3r: ignore it
[17:02] <Xand3r> Riddell: ?
[17:02] <Xand3r> ok
[17:02] <Xand3r> i do
[17:02] <Riddell> it's something debian worries about, but it's not actually a problem
[17:03] <Xand3r> ok, apachelogger 20min than i have possibly the package finished
[17:13] <Riddell> vorian: poke bug 241052
[17:15] <Riddell> vorian: also bug 241041
[17:28] <vorian> Riddell: ouch!
[17:28] <vorian> :)
[17:33] <Riddell> ScottK: bug 235289 has gutsy and hardy, which did you approve?
[17:35]  * ScottK looks
[17:35] <Xand3r> apachelogger: the extended copyright tooked some time, i doing the final build now, after it i will put it on revu
[17:35] <ScottK> Riddell: Hardy
[17:36] <apachelogger> http://aplg.kollide.net/snapshot3.png
[17:36] <apachelogger> opinions?
[17:41] <Riddell> apachelogger: bling
[17:41] <Riddell> what it's for?
[17:42] <Riddell> ScottK: hmm well, backport-source is broken anyway
[17:42] <apachelogger> firefox icon set
[17:42] <ScottK> Urgh.
[17:43] <yuriy> apachelogger: nice. are there more?
[17:44] <apachelogger> yuriy: that's just the blingy graphic for addons.mozilla.org
[17:46] <jussi01> can anyone confirm bug 244601 for me?
[17:46] <vorian> apachelogger: i got finnaly had time to fix k9copy, it's on revu when/if you have time.
[17:51] <Xand3r> so now on revu kgmailnotifier http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?package=kgmailnotifier
[17:51]  * apachelogger adds revuing to his todo
[17:59] <vorian> poor apachelogger :(
[18:10] <gribelu> no ktorrent 3.1 in hardy? :|
[18:11] <vorian> gribelu: nope
[18:12] <vorian> if bug 234514 gets fininshed, we can backport it
[18:12] <gribelu> final version is out.. :)
[18:12] <gribelu> still rc1 in intrepid
[18:12] <vorian> yep
[18:12] <vorian> right
[18:13] <gribelu> oh damned quassel is so weird with urls
[18:13] <vorian> if you want to test it, i have it in my ppa for intrepid
[18:13] <gribelu> hmm wonder if it'll work under hardy.. the rc1 deb didn't
[18:13] <gribelu> vorian on launchpad?
[18:14] <vorian> yep
[18:14] <vorian> http://ppa.launchpad.net/vorian/ubuntu/pool/main/k/ktorrent/
[18:17] <gribelu> vorian: works under hardy :D thanks
[18:18] <gribelu> hmm yeah just like rc1 .. crashes when i right click a torrent
[18:20] <vorian> hmmm
[18:21] <gribelu> maybe it's because hardy isn't intrepid .. who knows
[18:23] <gribelu> some weird stuff.. "configure toolbars" shows no 'actions' at all... no plugins under plugins. This stuff working under intrepid?
[18:24] <vorian> yes
[18:25] <gribelu> oh well.. i'm waiting for some new parts and then i'll switch to intrepid 64bit.. can't wait :)
[18:25] <vorian> :)
[18:46] <Nightrose> apachelogger: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+bug/244628
[18:46] <apachelogger> meh
[18:46]  * apachelogger adds to todo
[18:46] <apachelogger> though
[18:46] <apachelogger> Nightrose: you could fix that ;-)
[18:47] <Nightrose> nah my todo list is full already
[18:47] <Nightrose> :P
[18:47] <Nightrose> at least fr the next 5 days
[18:47]  * Nightrose gets food
[19:06] <apachelogger> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7962
[19:06] <apachelogger> please test and provide reviews on that page
[19:07] <yuriy> oh fun, my panel in 4.1 is now only appearing on 1 desktop
[19:08] <smarter> apachelogger: it requires login...
[19:08] <apachelogger> yes, get one :P
[19:10] <smarter> apachelogger: looks great
[19:10] <smarter> but wouldn't it be better to fix firefox icons detection?
[19:11] <apachelogger> hehe
[19:11] <apachelogger> that is like "fix gtk"
[19:11] <apachelogger> :P
[19:11] <apachelogger> which would actually fix the icon detection as well, as most icons are actually provided through gtk
[19:11] <smarter> or rewrite firefox in Qt :p
[19:12] <smarter> anyway, back to konqueror
[19:13] <apachelogger> smarter: IIRC someone is working on that ... again ...
[19:13] <smarter> o rly?
[19:14] <smarter> apachelogger: like duke nukem forever? (:
[19:14] <yuriy> apachelogger: well.. it works
[19:14] <apachelogger> yuriy: please provide a review
[19:14]  * apachelogger needs reviews to get it out of that experimental thingy
[19:14] <apachelogger> smarter: http://blog.vlad1.com/2008/05/06/well-isnt-that-qt/
[19:15] <apachelogger> smarter: I think KDE/suse dirk also once wanted to work on that stuff, but never got an account in the mozilla cvs
[19:19] <Xand3r> apachelogger: have you revied my package?
[19:19] <Xand3r> *reviewed
[19:20] <apachelogger> no
[19:20] <apachelogger> first I have to buy some blue pills
[19:20] <apachelogger> just got one awesome offer
[19:21] <apachelogger> Xand3r: thest the firefox theme and write a review for it
[19:21] <Xand3r> i using it since you geved me it
[19:22] <Xand3r> is there an update?
[19:22] <apachelogger> oh boy
[19:22] <apachelogger> Xand3r: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/7962
[19:22] <apachelogger> you should really read backlog :P
[19:22] <claydoh> apachelogger: reviewed for you, very nice, looks nice on kde3 as well
[19:22] <apachelogger> claydoh: thank you :)
[19:33] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i installt the theme new, cause i wantet to test everything, but i cant install the theme vie the homepage
[19:33] <apachelogger> Xand3r: you have to login
[19:33] <Xand3r> sure
[19:33] <apachelogger> but since you need to provide a review anyway ... :P
[19:34] <Arby> apachelogger: added another review to the firefox add on
[19:34] <Xand3r> and then after the dowload ther error comes
[19:34] <apachelogger> Arby: thank you very much :)
[19:34] <Xand3r> apachelogger: what i have to say; cant install it caus i have an unexpextet error
[19:34] <apachelogger> Xand3r: well, which error?
[19:34] <apachelogger> unexpected :D
[19:35] <apachelogger> uhh, firefox errors are even better than kopete crashes
[19:35] <Xand3r> all the same^^
[19:35] <Xand3r> Error: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x80520015 (NS_ERROR_FILE_ACCESS_DENIED) [nsIFile.moveTo]"  nsresult: "0x80520015 (NS_ERROR_FILE_ACCESS_DENIED)"  location: "JS frame :: file:///usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/components/nsExtensionManager.js :: moveFile :: line 1802"  data: no]
[19:35] <Xand3r> Source File: file:///usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9/components/nsExtensionManager.js
[19:35] <Xand3r> Line: 1802
[19:35] <Xand3r> ups
[19:35] <Xand3r> sorry thought it was just a line
[19:36] <apachelogger> hm
[19:36] <apachelogger> Xand3r: sudo chown -R YOURUSER:YOURUSER /home/YOURUSER/.mozilla
[19:37] <Xand3r> what does this comand do?
[19:37] <smarter> make you proprietary of ~/.mozilla
[19:38] <smarter> *proprietor even
[19:39] <apachelogger> owner :P
[19:40] <\sh> apachelogger: can you try to reproduce this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/244548 with kde 4.1beta2 on harsy?
[19:40] <\sh> aeh hardy?
[19:41] <apachelogger> \sh: happens for the mail box as well
[19:41] <apachelogger> intrepid though
[19:41] <\sh> apachelogger: what mailbox?
[19:42] <apachelogger> the mail address textbox
[19:42] <\sh> apachelogger: and on hardy?
[19:43]  * apachelogger has no hardy, but I think it happend there as well
[19:44] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i have reviewd it
[19:44]  * \sh can't reproduce that
[19:44] <Xand3r> damn my english is worse today
[19:46] <apachelogger> Xand3r: mille grazie
[19:47] <apachelogger> \sh: you have to type something
[19:47] <apachelogger> then backspace it
[19:47] <Xand3r> i want to compile gtk-qt-engine-kde4 by my self,  but i get much compilig errors, i think the source is on mistake, here the log http://paste.ubuntu.com/24284/
[19:48] <\sh> apachelogger: works :)
[19:49] <apachelogger> \sh: I can make a screencast if you want ;-)
[19:49] <\sh> apachelogger: please .)
[19:50] <smarter> Xand3r: are you using intrepid?
[19:50] <Xand3r> smarter: no hardy
[19:50]  * apachelogger is wondering which dbg package to install
[19:52] <apachelogger> \sh: http://aplg.kollide.net/screencasts/leonov-flatlined.ogg
[19:52] <\sh> Xand3r: the only bug is here: /home/alexander/gtk-qt-engine-kde4-1.1/src/qt_theme_draw.c:119: error: implicit declaration of function ‘abs’
[19:53] <apachelogger> hm
[19:53] <apachelogger> und ich dachte abs wäre was gutes :P
[19:53] <Xand3r> hmmm
[19:53] <Xand3r> \sh: what i have to do?
[19:54] <\sh> Xand3r: fix it :)
[19:54] <Xand3r> patching the source?!
[19:54] <\sh> apachelogger: sucker...Backspace != CTRL+Backspace
[19:54] <\sh> apachelogger: oh wonder oh wonder
[19:54] <apachelogger> uhm
[19:55] <apachelogger> \sh: works with backspace-only for me
[19:55] <\sh> lol
[19:55] <\sh> for me it crashes only with ctrl+backspace
[19:55] <apachelogger> hm
[19:55] <apachelogger> maybe only people with a cool keyboard get the backspace feature :P
[19:55] <Xand3r> no rather i have an ugly firfox
[19:56] <smarter> Xand3r: but why do you want to compile it yourself?
[19:56] <Xand3r> i have kde-nightly
[19:56] <\sh> apachelogger: what I did...typeing ctrl+backspace touching one key more ==> crash
[19:56] <apachelogger> Xand3r: wrong channel then :P
[19:57] <Xand3r> jo^^
[19:57] <apachelogger> \sh: I did ... typing -> backspace -> crash
[19:57]  * \sh sucks his thumb....
[19:57]  * \sh <--- brainfcked
[19:57] <smarter> Xand3r: apt-get source gtk-qt-engine-kde4, change /usr/lib/kde4/* path to /opt/kde-nightly, rebuild
[19:58]  * \sh tries to find someone who can fix kde
[19:58] <apachelogger> Riddell: gwenview is missing in the current intrepid seed
[19:58] <Xand3r> smarter: funny for building it i have to compile it
[19:58] <apachelogger> \sh: that is like "fix gtk" :P
[19:58] <apachelogger> uh
[19:58] <apachelogger> I made that joke already
[19:58] <apachelogger> damn
[19:58]  * apachelogger prepares for revuing
[19:58] <\sh> apachelogger: not so much like "fix gtk"....
[20:00] <Xand3r> forget everything i said about gtk-qt-engine-kde4
[20:06] <apachelogger> omg
[20:06] <apachelogger> this debdiff is gigantic
[20:06] <Xand3r> apachelogger: which?
[20:06] <apachelogger> yours
[20:06] <Xand3r> ofcours
[20:07] <Xand3r> everything changed
[20:07] <apachelogger> Xand3r: I'll throw the stuff that needs fixing at you
[20:07] <apachelogger> try to find out what is wrong
[20:07] <Xand3r> fixing? what?
[20:08] <apachelogger> the things I don't like
[20:08] <Xand3r> from my package, or other things you dont like?
[20:09] <Xand3r> here an other comiling error http://paste.ubuntu.com/24293/
[20:10] <apachelogger> Xand3r: +XSBC-Original-Maintainer: Alexander Kopf<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[20:10] <apachelogger> I hope you know the stuff that comes with that change
[20:10] <Xand3r> gnaa
[20:10] <Xand3r> its a totaly new
[20:10] <Xand3r> package
[20:12] <apachelogger> well
[20:12] <apachelogger> can't be
[20:12] <apachelogger> we have the package in ubuntu
[20:12] <\sh> apachelogger: pykde4 from bindings is bugging us...with a simple qlineedit it works perfectly
[20:12] <apachelogger> Xand3r: besides, you wouldn't be using the initial changelog entry from me then
[20:12] <apachelogger> \sh: b0rked, totally b0rked
[20:12] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ok, i change it, sorry
[20:12] <apachelogger> if that doesn't change until 4.1.0 I will have to go insane
[20:13] <apachelogger> Xand3r: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24295/
[20:16] <apachelogger> Xand3r: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24296/
[20:17] <\sh> bah
[20:18] <Xand3r> apachelogger: there is a new line at the end of the man
[20:18] <apachelogger> exactly
[20:19] <apachelogger> Xand3r: look closyl
[20:19] <apachelogger> *closly
[20:19] <apachelogger> hm
[20:19]  * \sh bangs his head on the desk....and he needs a sledgehammer to make it better
[20:19] <apachelogger> that still looks wrong
[20:19] <apachelogger> Xand3r: look precisely
[20:19] <apachelogger> something like that
[20:19] <\sh> NEVER TRUST A POINTER
[20:20] <_gunni_> Does somebody know if ICQ is in the work for Kopete, as its broken for ICQ protocol change since today?
[20:21] <apachelogger> Oo
[20:21] <apachelogger> meh
[20:21] <apachelogger> *headdesk*
[20:21] <apachelogger> Riddell: is someone already working on that?
[20:21] <apachelogger> Xand3r: did you fix everything but copyright?
[20:22] <Nightrose> _gunni_: according to #kde-devel they are on it
[20:22] <\sh> NEVER USE ICQ ! ;)
[20:22] <Xand3r> apachelogger: no
[20:22] <apachelogger> icq is tha devil
[20:22] <Nightrose> they only need to upload a file to their server if i understood correctly
[20:22] <apachelogger> Xand3r: poke me when you are
[20:22] <Xand3r> jo+
[20:22] <_gunni_> I mostly use jabber, but some friends out there have icq :(
[20:22] <\sh> _gunni_: they are no friends when they use something else then jabber ,-)
[20:22] <Nightrose> _gunni_: go ask in #kopete please and report here ;-)
[20:23]  * apachelogger agrees with \sh
[20:23] <_gunni_> \sh: Thats a good thought :)
[20:24] <claydoh> kopete-kde4 works for icq, if you need somethig for now
[20:24] <_gunni_> Nightrose: Seems that here is a fix for that: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165502#c26
[20:25] <_gunni_> I will just check thtat
[20:26] <apachelogger> _gunni_: please tell someone in #kopete about http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165502#c42
[20:26] <apachelogger> that should solve the problem I guess
[20:26] <_gunni_> apachelogger: Its in the topic there :)
[20:27] <apachelogger> _gunni_: I mean comment #42
[20:27] <_gunni_> Ah, i will check that
[20:28] <Xand3r> apachelogger: what is bad withe the Build-Depends
[20:28] <apachelogger> automake depends on autoconf
[20:31] <Xand3r> apachelogger: all done what you geve to me
[20:31] <apachelogger> Xand3r: please have a close look at the files in admin
[20:32] <apachelogger> there are 2 very important special cases in these files
[20:32] <Xand3r> uff ok
[20:33] <Xand3r> on what i have to focus?
[20:33] <apachelogger> the 2 things that belong into debian/copyright
[20:33] <apachelogger> actually only one of the 2 things :P
[20:36] <Xand3r> ok
[20:38] <Xand3r> there ar mor then 2 that belongs in the copyright
[20:38] <Xand3r> and i think i have oll in there
[20:40] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i realy dont know what i have to do
[20:40] <apachelogger> I said things
[20:40] <apachelogger> not files
[20:40] <apachelogger> copyright & license
[20:40] <Xand3r> yea
[20:40] <apachelogger> and one of them is quite missing in your debian/copyright
[20:40] <Xand3r> missing?!
[20:42] <Xand3r> no missed
[20:43]  * vorian whispers lgpl
[20:43]  * apachelogger didn't hear that
[20:44] <txwikinger> yeah.. even lintian finds that
[20:44] <Xand3r> ?!
[20:44] <txwikinger> the missing thing
[20:44] <apachelogger> well
[20:45] <apachelogger> another thing is missing as well
[20:45] <Xand3r> gnaaa my lintian is saing nothing
[20:46] <txwikinger> run it against the I386.changes
[20:46] <apachelogger> oh boy
[20:46] <txwikinger> or something like that
[20:46] <apachelogger> Xand3r: grep the admin dir for general public license
[20:46] <apachelogger> make that library/lesser
[20:46] <apachelogger> hm
[20:46] <txwikinger> hm?
[20:46] <apachelogger> I downloaded k9copy 30 minutes ago
[20:47] <vorian> eek
[20:47] <apachelogger> and didn't even have time to unpack it
[20:47] <apachelogger> meh
[20:47]  * txwikinger did not have any time to do anything constuctive today
[20:48] <apachelogger> vorian: please ask upstream to use proper tarball names
[20:48] <apachelogger> k9copy: Newer version (2.0.2-Source) available on remote site:
[20:48] <apachelogger>   http://qa.debian.org/watch/sf.php/k9copy/k9copy-2.0.2-Source.tar.gz
[20:48] <apachelogger>   (local version is 2.0.2)
[20:48]  * txwikinger looks for some neglected bugs and packages
[20:48] <Xand3r> ok last time i igbored LGPL cause i thought its a part of a GPL
[20:48] <apachelogger> uh
[20:48] <apachelogger> heartattack :P
[20:48] <apachelogger> Xand3r: LGPL != GPL
[20:48] <apachelogger> not at all
[20:48] <apachelogger> not even partly
[20:48] <txwikinger> well.. one is compatible to the other
[20:48] <Xand3r> ok
[20:48] <txwikinger> IIRC
[20:49] <vorian> apachelogger: they are non-responsive at best
[20:49] <apachelogger> god in heaven
[20:49] <txwikinger> who is non-responsive?
[20:49] <apachelogger> tell the rms guy (lpgl is part of a gpl)
[20:49] <apachelogger> and he will eat you
[20:49] <apachelogger> literally
[20:49]  * apachelogger is afraid :P
[20:49] <apachelogger> anyway
[20:50]  * txwikinger wonders if he needs to call the medics
[20:50] <apachelogger> Xand3r: lgpl allows linking against closed source, gpl doesn't
[20:50] <Xand3r> how could i knew that?
[20:50] <apachelogger> right
[20:50] <apachelogger> you couldn't
[20:50] <apachelogger> that is why I am now telling you to read both licenses
[20:50] <Xand3r> but gpl allows linking to gpl?
[20:50] <apachelogger> completely
[20:50] <apachelogger> Xand3r: well, gpl and a couple of others
[20:50] <Xand3r> i mean to lgpl
[20:50] <txwikinger> but you can combine gpl and lgpl and publish it under gpl
[20:50] <_gunni_> So kopete is working again for ICQ after restarting kopete, just for whom it may concern
[20:50] <apachelogger> Xand3r: yes
[20:51] <apachelogger> txwikinger: publishing ain't worth anything
[20:51] <vorian> licenses are the most FUNNEST part of packaging \o/
[20:51] <apachelogger> if you license something with lgpl it's lpgl
[20:51] <apachelogger> no matter what
[20:51] <txwikinger> distribute then
[20:51] <apachelogger> vorian: that's the right attitude
[20:51]  * apachelogger hands vorian a cookie
[20:51] <Xand3r> vorian: ??
[20:52] <Xand3r> the thing i hate most are the desiptions and the copyright
[20:52] <apachelogger> txwikinger: not even that, the indivdiual source parts would still be lgpl/gpl
[20:52] <vorian> Xand3r: you will learn to appreciate them
[20:52] <txwikinger> well ok.. that is also possible
[20:52] <apachelogger> Xand3r: dood, you need to get tha feeling
[20:52] <apachelogger> anyway
[20:52] <apachelogger> back to the topic
[20:52] <Xand3r> ok
[20:52] <apachelogger> Xand3r: I really suggest reading some of the more common licenses
[20:52] <apachelogger> gpl, lgpl, gfdl, bsd
[20:53] <apachelogger> good good-night-read actually
[20:53] <apachelogger> Xand3r: as for the admin directory
[20:53] <apachelogger> you have one file with LGPL
[20:53] <apachelogger> and one which is
[20:53] <apachelogger> free
[20:53] <apachelogger> as in completely
[20:53] <apachelogger>   "This is really free software, unencumbered by the GPL.
[20:53] <apachelogger>    You can do anything you like with it except sueing me."
[20:53]  * txwikinger wonders of apachelogger wants Xand3r to fall asleep
[20:53] <vorian> you can find them in /usr/share/common-licenses/(license of your choosing)  ;)
[20:54] <apachelogger> txwikinger: hum, he's a padawan of mine :P
[20:54] <txwikinger> what is a padawan?
[20:54]  * txwikinger looks up the dictionary
[20:54] <Xand3r> apachelogger: there are two LGPL files
[20:54] <vorian> lol
[20:54] <apachelogger> oh boy
[20:54] <apachelogger> Xand3r: true
[20:55] <smarter> txwikinger: nether seen/heard about starwars?
[20:55] <apachelogger> but the free free one is unique
[20:55] <apachelogger> anyway
[20:55]  * smarter needs some packaging advices
[20:55] <apachelogger> to close that topic now
[20:55] <apachelogger> Xand3r: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24309/
[20:55] <smarter> I'm trying to package edyuk
[20:55] <apachelogger> instead of listing all the stuff you can just use that thingy
[20:55] <txwikinger> smarter: yes, in my youth.. and that is very long ago
[20:55] <smarter> (yet another Qt4 IDE)
[20:55] <smarter> (http://edyuk.org)
[20:56] <apachelogger> Xand3r: we made that up when KDE 3 was still usable and I way younger, so you don't really need to remember that stuff ... in case you stumble upon another kde3 app you can just look it up again in $kde3 package ;-)
[20:57] <apachelogger> smarter: better review monkeystudio first
[20:57]  * apachelogger is not feeling like doing that withing the next few days
[20:57] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ??
[20:58] <apachelogger> Xand3r: kopier das zeug das ich gepastet habe und merk dir, dass kde 3 software mit so nem admin verzeichnis dieses spezille zeugs braucht
[20:58] <Xand3r> ok, danke
[20:58] <Xand3r> apachelogger: hinzufügen nicht ersetzen oder?
[20:58] <apachelogger> ersetzen
[20:58] <apachelogger> Xand3r: die aufzählung die du hast
[20:59] <smarter> The devs use some external libraries, which are not really "extern" since the same people develop them, so they're provided in edyuk's tarballs, but some of them are also released separetely
[20:59] <apachelogger> Xand3r: komplett sollte das dann so in etwa aussehen: http://paste.ubuntu.com/24310/
[20:59] <Xand3r> ach ich hab noch ein copyright für die man rein gemacht
[20:59] <apachelogger> aye
[20:59] <apachelogger> Xand3r: another thing
[21:00] <Xand3r> ok
[21:00] <Riddell> apachelogger: I know nothing about ICQ
[21:00] <apachelogger> any gnu license requires a complete copy of the license to be shipped with the source
[21:00] <apachelogger> namely lgpl, gpl and gfdl
[21:00] <smarter> So I was wondering if I should make multiple source packages, and patch edyuk's buildsystem to use the system-wide libs(might be hard)
[21:00] <apachelogger> Xand3r: please ensure gpl and lgpl are present
[21:00] <Xand3r> ok
[21:00] <smarter> Or make lots of binary packages with the same source package(edyuk)
[21:01] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, I think kopete already fixed that with some magic :)
[21:01] <Riddell> apachelogger: in KDE 3?
[21:01] <smarter> apachelogger: Könntest du bitte mir helfen?
[21:01] <Xand3r> apachelogger: mine http://paste.ubuntu.com/24311/
[21:01] <apachelogger> sec
[21:02] <smarter> poor apachelogger, everybody's needing him ;)
[21:02] <apachelogger> Riddell: well, I guess it effects kde4 as well... but apparently kopete already includes a feature providing updated defintions from http://kopete.kde.org/oscarversions.xml ... they just did forget about that feature
[21:02] <apachelogger> smarter: ask upstream to release them seperate, otherwise go with whatever seems more logical to you in terms of maintainability
[21:03] <apachelogger> Xand3r: Copyright:
[21:03] <apachelogger>   (C) 2007 Marcel Hasler<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:03] <Xand3r> gnaa
[21:04] <Xand3r>   Copyright (C) 2007 Marcel Hasler<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[21:04] <apachelogger> no
[21:04] <Xand3r> right?
[21:04] <apachelogger> well, yes, but not complete
[21:04] <apachelogger> hm
[21:05] <apachelogger> vorian: I already opened the debian/* files ;-)
[21:05] <apachelogger> aber ich doch nicht
[21:05] <apachelogger> hrrhrr
[21:06] <apachelogger> bug #227906
[21:06] <apachelogger> hm
[21:07] <apachelogger> vorian: I think ITP is no official ubuntu abbreviation :P
[21:08] <apachelogger> vorian: you should preserve the existing package's changelog https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/k9copy
[21:09] <vorian> :D
[21:09] <vorian> apachelogger: alrighty, i can do that
[21:09] <Xand3r> apachelogger: i dont know what is wrong
[21:10] <apachelogger> Xand3r: how about 2007-2008?
[21:10] <apachelogger> vorian: standards-version is 3.8.0 nowadays
[21:10] <vorian> werd,
[21:11] <Xand3r> apachelogger: ok thx, i didnt know how to handel it with the old and the new time
[21:11] <apachelogger> vorian: the short description is a bit long, I'd go with the old one
[21:12] <apachelogger> Xand3r: 2007, 2008 is also a possability
[21:12] <Xand3r> kk
[21:12] <vorian> gotcha
[21:13] <apachelogger> vorian: manpage missing, please "lend" the one from the old package or write a new one ;-)
[21:14]  * apachelogger testbuilds
[21:14] <vorian> dockbook ftw
[21:14] <vorian> apachelogger: it's in me ppa for buidtesting etc...
[21:17] <apachelogger> vorian: it would very cool if you could cleanup the copyright a bit
[21:17] <apachelogger> like "the files x\n z\n y\n are copyrighted by ... "
[21:17] <vorian> sure
[21:18] <apachelogger> vorian: btw, I need to test a bit more than just plain building, so ppa ain't much help :)
[21:18] <vorian> :)
[21:19] <Xand3r> apachelogger: new is online
[21:29] <vorian> apachelogger: as for the copyright, you mean clean up as in "get rid of"?
[21:30] <apachelogger> vorian: well, just conflate the entries
[21:31] <apachelogger> john is holding copyright (c) 2008 on
[21:31] <apachelogger> foo.cpp
[21:31] <apachelogger> foo.h
[21:31] <apachelogger> bar.cpp
[21:31] <apachelogger> foo.h
[21:31] <apachelogger> etc.
[21:31] <apachelogger> or by files
[21:31] <apachelogger> foo.cpp
[21:31] <apachelogger> foo.h
[21:31] <apachelogger> bar.cpp
[21:31] <apachelogger> are copyrighted (c) 2008 by john
[21:31] <vorian> gotcha
[21:32] <vorian> thanks :)
[21:52] <apachelogger> vorian:
[21:52] <apachelogger> W: k9copy: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/k9copy
[21:52] <apachelogger> W: k9copy: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/k9play
[21:52] <apachelogger> W: k9copy: binary-without-manpage usr/bin/k9xineplayer
[21:52] <apachelogger> W: k9copy: desktop-entry-contains-unknown-key /usr/share/applications/kde4/k9copy.desktop:12 MimeTypes
[21:52] <apachelogger> vorian: looks good otherwise
[21:53] <vorian> just finishing up
[21:55] <vorian> crap
[21:55] <vorian> i have to write 2 manpages :/
[22:00]  * apachelogger hands vorian a couple of cookies
[22:22] <Xand3r> apachelogger: look, my rules for gtk-qt-kdenightly http://paste.ubuntu.com/24334/
[22:23] <Xand3r> nothing changed
[22:23] <apachelogger> pardon?
[22:24] <Xand3r> the question is, have i stet the var in the right way?
[22:25] <apachelogger> looks like it
[22:25] <Xand3r> or an common-configure-impl::
[22:25] <Xand3r> above?
[22:26] <Xand3r> like http://paste.ubuntu.com/24338/
[22:28] <Xand3r> no dont work
[22:28] <apachelogger> well
[22:28] <apachelogger> path, ld_lib
[22:28] <Xand3r> ok
[22:32] <Xand3r> apachelogger: LD_LIBRARY_PATH is not used in cmak.mk and kde.mk
[22:32] <Xand3r> why seting it?
[22:32]  * apachelogger does the google dance
[22:32] <Xand3r> okok
[23:12] <Riddell> hardy.1 candidates need testing http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/hardy/daily{-live}
[23:35] <Riddell> hmm, kubuntu-kde4/hardy/daily/20080701.1 is oversized
[23:38] <neversfelde> how much?
[23:39] <Riddell> 4MB
[23:44] <neversfelde> mhh


[06:24] <bash321> does any one use a authenticated proxy at home, work, university or tafe institution?
[06:24] <bash321> on ubuntu desktop?
[06:25] <bash321> to connect to the internet?
[06:38] <blahdeblah> bash321: yep
[06:42] <bash321> blahdeblah: is that at home or work? do you configure that via a gui or cli?
[06:43] <blahdeblah> bash321: Work; you can do it in a couple of ways.  In the GUI there's a network proxy control panel which allows you to enter it.
[06:43] <blahdeblah> At the command line you can just export http_proxy=http://user:pass@proxy:8080/ or similar
[06:43] <blahdeblah> ditto for https_proxy & ftp_proxy
[06:45] <bash321> blahdeblah: if i configured it via a gui method would the authentication apply as you have written it in the url for the command above... using network manager?
[06:45] <bash321> simply i cannot find via a gui method to get authenticated proxy to work.
[07:07] <bash321> there is an option is a tool called dconf editor.
[07:08] <bash321> i will test it out and see if it works..
[07:17] <bash321> ok... now this makes sense... to configure authenticated  proxies via gui settings on ubuntu. you have to install a tool called dconf-editor. the problem is with this program it gives a way your proxy server password.. defeating the whole purpose of authenticated proxy.