[20:49] <bekks> Carlgo11: Thats an "issue" dr_willis is referring to.
[20:49] <dr_willis> Carlgo11:  yes.. and the issue was the server installer not being able to see the 'iso'  its been happening for the last several releases
[20:49] <Carlgo11> So what do I do?
[20:49] <dr_willis> How did you put the ISO on the usb?
[20:49] <Treadstone__71> How can I see what my firewall is denying in real time??
[20:50] <Carlgo11> Used a program called "Universal-USB installer"
[20:50] <bekks> Treadstone__71: Depends on your firewall - which one do you use?
[20:50] <hilo> Carlgo11, I installed server 10.04 and did a release upgrade to install from usb
[20:50] <Treadstone__71> iptables ?
[20:50] <Carlgo11> Ok hilo I'll try that
[20:50] <dr_willis> http://askubuntu.com/search?q=server+install+from+usb
[20:51] <bekks> Treadstone__71: Then you need to set up logging for each rule, to see whats happening.
[20:51] <dr_willis> carlos2010:  id check the askubuntu.com links
[20:52] <Carlgo11> ok I'll try with a older version. If that doesn't work I'll be back tommorow
[20:52] <Treadstone__71> bekks ... how does one go about that?
[20:52] <Mongolski> hej
[20:52] <hilo> Carlgo11, after you finish installing 10.04, just run "do-release-upgrade"
[20:52] <hilo> Carlgo11, After it does it's thing, you will have 12.04
[20:52] <dr_willis> seems a little over kill.. since i thinkthe answer is to use dd to put the server iso on the usb.. ;)
[20:52] <bekks> Treadstone__71: I dont know it off hand, but it should be doccumented pretty well.
[20:53] <Treadstone__71> ok. thanks
[20:53] <Ogredude> hiya folks
[20:54] <Ogredude> getting some boot problems on a fresh install of 12.04, need to edit the grub config to fix it. I know exactly what I need to edit.  The problem is that update-grub and update-grub2 are both complaining "Cannot create /dev/null: Permission denied".  I am su'd to root. I mounted the hard drive. In my terminal, I did chroot /mount/<guid>. Everything appears to be correct there.
[20:55] <Ogredude> All the forum topics I'm seeing say to chroot to the mounted disk and you should be able to update-grub
[20:55] <Ogredude> not so much
[20:55] <dr_willis> Hmm.. seems the server 'live setup' on usb can be looking for the wrong file names.. changeing the names on the usb corrects the issue
[20:56] <dr_willis> Ogredude:  theres more then just chrooting to the /, i think you need to set up /proc/ and /dev/ befor you chroot.. but i always use the  boot-repair first these days.. it seems to work well
[20:56] <jyg> ok... converting to mp4 on 12.04 is a pain.  i've tried a number of ways to get avconv to be happy with 264 or any mp4-able format.  no dice, short of recompiling avconv.
[20:56] <bekks> jyg: Then use ffmpeg :)
[20:56] <atrius> lets say for a moment i want a DNS server but i don't want bind... what else is worthy of the job and will also handle dynamic dns updates from isc DHCP?
[20:56] <Ogredude> dr_willis: ah okay, I'll look at boot-repair
[20:56] <jyg> from what i've read its a bug in the ubuntu-packaged version of avconv
[20:56] <jyg> bekks, same problem
[20:57] <Ogredude> so what, has stuff changed since all those different forum posts that say chroot to your mounted disk and update-grub?
[20:57] <dr_willis> Hmm.. I convert to mp4 all the time. but im on 12.10
[20:57] <bekks> jyg: Which is impossible, since the tools differ.
[20:57] <jyg> they do differ. but they suffer the same problem
[20:57] <dr_willis> Ogredude:  i recall always  needing to set up /proc/ and /dev/ to the mountpoints  /media/mountpoint/dev and /media/mountpoint/proc  befor chrooting
[20:57] <jyg> certainly not impossible, heh
[20:58] <vexati0n> anyone want to help me figure out why minecraft keeps blowing up at me ? :D
[20:58] <vexati0n> it's great fun
[20:58] <dr_willis> http://zeldor.biz/2010/12/install-grub-from-chroot/
[20:59] <Ogredude> dr_willis: okay I'll try boot-repair, thanks
[20:59]  * dr_willis votes for boot-repair to be included by default  on the live cds ;p
[21:00] <Ogredude> vexati0n: maybe it'd help if you went to https://gist.github.com and pasted logs of the errors you're getting and any other helpful information (video card type, java version, etc etc)
[21:00] <dr_willis> Ogredude:  i do seemto recall being able to reinstall grub from a live cd without chrooting also. if you gave the right options to the grub-install tool
[21:01] <strcrzy_> what's the best way to get in touch with canonical for paid support?
[21:01] <vexati0n> Ogredude: https://gist.github.com/4279830
[21:01] <strcrzy_> we've tried the form, and emailing
[21:01] <a111> I keep hearing a clicking sound on ubuntu 12.04
[21:01] <dr_willis> http://www.ubuntu.com/business/services
[21:02] <dr_willis> thats about all we would know on the topic strcrzy_ . is whats on the web site
[21:02] <Ogredude> vexati0n: one thing that's sticking out to me is that you have intel integrated graphics and I don't believe that's beefy enough for minecraft
[21:02] <strcrzy_> :(
[21:02] <vexati0n> Ogredude: it has been working just fine for months, though.
[21:02] <strcrzy_> 2 business days my ass
[21:02] <Guest76586> hi all what am i missing I am tring to add mysql to bootup , using update-rc.d mysql defaults , and it does not seem to be working, I don't know what I am missing
[21:02] <Guest76586> can someone help
[21:02] <vexati0n> It's a 3000, which is more than enough to handle MC. Smoothly even, with Graphics on Fast.
[21:02] <dr_willis> strcrzy_:  we have no controll over that.
[21:03] <dr_willis> Im not even sure what paid 'support' actually does...
[21:03] <bekks> strcrzy_: Take a look at he website.
[21:04] <dr_willis> Be cool if i could get paid to sit on irc all day and do support.. ;)
[21:04] <dr_willis> Oh wait.. i sit at work and irc and do support all day anyway......
[21:05] <n3ffa> ditto dr_willis
[21:05] <Ogredude> vexati0n: well that's a useful piece of information. It has worked in the past. Now when did it stop working and what have you changed since it last worked?
[21:05] <Ogredude> start there and work your way back
[21:05] <Sebj71> ciao
[21:05] <Sebj71> !list
[21:07] <vexati0n> Ogredude:
[21:07] <vexati0n> Ogredude: it worked yesterday, and stopped working after a software update
[21:07] <vexati0n> Ogredude: unfortunately I'm not sure where the "undo last software update" button is in Ubuntu...
[21:08] <Ogredude> vexati0n: how about the logs that show which pieces were updated? I bet there's clues in there.
[21:09] <Ogredude> and it's just giving you a segfault?
[21:09] <vexati0n> Ogredude: yeah it's just a segfault right after it loads LWJGL.
[21:10] <penguinman> hmm, did the drivers update? also which java are you running? sun's or open jdk?
[21:10] <WoLf> Hello everyone.. I'm having an issue trying to move my internal HD with Ubuntu 12.04 to an external USB adapter.. grub was giving me "file not found" errors.. so I tried to boot a livecd and run boot-repair but it didn't help either, but now it gives me a file in the error. "error: file '/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found"
[21:10] <vexati0n> penguinman: I've tried all 3 available Oracle Javas (6, 7 and 8), and both OpenJDKs (6 and 7). Usually I use Oracle Java 8.
[21:11] <Ogredude> vexati0n: it looks like it could be a video driver issue
[21:11] <vexati0n> looks like there were a bunch of Mesa updates
[21:11] <vexati0n> do you know how to roll back updates?
[21:11] <Ogredude> I'm seeing quite a few forum posts suggesting update video drivers, or switch to the proprietary video drivers
[21:11] <penguinman> i didn't think intel had proprietary drivers
[21:12] <vexati0n> yeah... both of which do not apply to me, since Intel drivers are already the official ones, and this is the latest version
[21:12] <dr_willis> penguinman:  they dont as far as i know. there are some pps'a with newer drivers
[21:12] <Ogredude> what's really weird is you're not getting any logs or errors or anything
[21:12] <Ogredude> that, I have a hard time understanding
[21:13] <penguinman> it's minecraft. proprietary as hell. it's the actual java executable that's segfaulting
[21:13] <Ogredude> if linux is good for anything, it's freakishly fantastic at flooding your screen on an error with tons and tons of stuff that's probably only minimally useful to the guy who made the software to begin with
[21:13] <dr_willis> I think the minecraft guys need to just make a Minecraftbuntu ;)
[21:14] <penguinman> yeah, good luck with that. these are the same guys that charged their panel members admission to minecon :)
[21:14] <Ogredude> *blink*
[21:14] <dr_willis> and now ya now why i dont bother with minecraft
[21:14] <vexati0n> well i think i figured out that the last system update upgraded all the Intel 3D stuff
[21:14] <Ogredude> penguinman: okay that's a fantastically bad decision
[21:14] <vexati0n> so I need to figure out how to roll all that back to the previous version.
[21:15] <Ogredude> vexati0n: here's a useful forum thread on that subject http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1804985
[21:15] <DJones> Ogredude: Just saw you mention intel graphics not being beefy enough for minecraft, I play it regularly on my laptop with integrated intel graphics, I just have to lower the graphics quality and it plays fine
[21:15] <penguinman> vexati0n, maybe update to the experimental driver? I know with my nvidia card there's a seperate pkg for it
[21:16] <Ogredude> DJones: that's good to hear, thanks for correcting my understanding
[21:16] <DJones> Ogredude: No probs
[21:19] <n0rwack> http://www.flyingpenguin.com/?p=17668 Is this a known issue? I often experience that i can't switch trough apps (from nor gnome classic or unity)
[21:20] <vexaxv> everytime i try to download fglrx or do "sudo apt-get update" it tells me something wicked has happened and cant download, im using 12.04, anyone know whats up?
[21:21] <dr_willis> pastebin the exact commands and exact error messates vexaxv
[21:22] <n0rwack> vexaxv: try "sudo apt-get -f install"
[21:22] <Ogredude> okay, curiosity question here. On many many of the machines I've tried to put linux on, I've had to switch it to nomodeset. What's the deal with that?  I don't really understand why it's on by default if it fails on so many machines.
[21:22] <dr_willis> Ogredude:  it dosent fail on my machines any more.
[21:22] <vexaxv> i have too ogredude
[21:23] <MonkeyDust> Ogredude  never needed it on mine
[21:23] <dr_willis> I dont see people inhere needing Nomodeset near as much as they used to.
[21:23] <Ogredude> granted, the number of machines I've tried to get linux with X on, I could count without taking off my shoes.  Not so much commandline-only linux. I'd have to borrow someone else's feet to count those.
[21:23] <a111> I keep hearing a clicking sound on ubuntu 12.04  Any way to stop it?
[21:24] <Ogredude> a111: is it possibly a navigation sound?
[21:24] <dr_willis> alll depends on whats clicking..
[21:24] <vexati0n> i blame the xorg-edgers PPA. I guess I finally ran into a "don't run bleeding edge updates all the time" rule.
[21:24] <n0rwack> Have anyone experienced freezing issues? Sometimes when i sit on my laptop, it suddenly doesnt let me change to another application, neither click "Applications, Places" etc..Running 12.04..Have same issue with Unity..
[21:24] <a111> it happens when im watching youtube / listening to music
[21:24] <a111> doesnt matter as long as its got sound
[21:24] <a111> its just a popping / clicking sound
[21:24] <Ogredude> ok that's odd. Describe the sound a bit more?
[21:24] <dr_willis> alll so during sound playback theres  a popping noise.
[21:25] <penguinman> I've never understood the need to running cutting edge xorg anyway? what benefits do you actually get from it?
[21:25] <Ogredude> is it a regular or irregular clicking/popping?
[21:25] <JoaoSantana> hi all
[21:25] <a111> just a pop or click
[21:25] <Ogredude> a111: repeating, or just once/
[21:26] <a111> yeah repeating
[21:26] <n0rwack> *umm
[21:26] <a111> just randomly happens when there is sound from a application
[21:27] <n0rwack> might be something with pulseaudio, maybe?
[21:27] <vexaxv> dr_willis, im trying to pastebin it terrible internet right now but what was cause a error saying something wicked has happened while trying to update or get fglrx
[21:27] <Ogredude> a111: when it's repeating, is it a regular click, like every 5 seconds, or is it irregular?
[21:27] <n0rwack> vexaxv: did you try "sudo apt-get -f install"?
[21:27] <erncic> vexaxv: I have seen that before with bad dns server settings.
[21:28] <a111> irregular Ogredude
[21:28] <Ogredude> a111: has it ever *not* done this?
[21:28] <vexaxv> well like i said im on terrible internet right now and n0rwack ill try it
[21:29] <n0rwack> okay, vexaxv. Let me know how it goes!
[21:29] <a111> no Ogredude
[21:29] <a111> its done it since i installed it yesterday
[21:29] <Ogredude> ah, fresh install
[21:29] <vexaxv> it says 0 needed updates however apt-get update was updating
[21:29] <vexaxv> quite alot actually
[21:29] <Ogredude> a111: what sort of soundcard's in your system?
[21:29] <a111> im using a Fiio e10
[21:30] <a111> USB DAC
[21:31] <vlt> Hello. I’m using Ubuntu 12.04 and Firefox. Is there a way to put something “between” my keyboard and the browser that will assign short cuts to a web page’s <a> elements? Does anyone know a firefox plugin that can do this?
[21:31] <vlt> Extra points for a plugin that lets me define selectors (similar to JQuery) which <a> elements should get short cuts first.
[21:32] <rayco> Hola!
[21:32] <rayco> Soy nuevo en ubuntu.
[21:32] <vlt> !es | rayco
[21:32] <rayco> DIgame.
[21:33] <rayco> Ok I'm sorry, so I will practice my english :D
[21:33] <WoLf> Let's try again, maybe it got missed.. I'm having an issue with running Ubuntu 12.04 from an external USB adapter.. the HD was internal before and working fine.. after I moved it to external, I am getting this grub error: "file '/boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod' not found" .. the prefix is set correctly (it seems), and from liveCD I can find that file in that location.
[21:33] <Ogredude> a111: what's your box proc/ram?
[21:33] <Ogredude> a111: here's some folks having the same problem, unfortunately no real solutions in there. http://www.head-fi.org/t/629212/fiio-e10-popping-noise-jitter-is-for-old-batches-only
[21:33] <WoLf> Tried to check through all the info I could find in google, ran boot-repair, and still haven't figured out a solution.
[21:33] <a111> Q6600 @ 3.42GHz, 2 ATI HD4850, 4GB RAM
[21:34] <rayco> Emm..a question, why I can install LibreOffice? I need to install first my update's?
[21:34] <Ogredude> good god, I recognize maybe 10% of newer processors anymore...  That's not one of them.
[21:34] <rayco> I can't *
[21:34] <Ogredude> ok so a core 2 quad, that's a very reasonable proc
[21:34] <xangua> rayco: libreoffice comes installed in ubuntu
[21:36] <Ogredude> a111: here's a possibility. Do you have an onboard soundcard you can disable?
[21:36] <a111> yeah, how do i disable it?
[21:36] <n0rwack> Anyone who can help me with a issue i experience on 12.04?
[21:37] <Ogredude> a111: beats me, dude :)
[21:37] <Ogredude> sorry I can't help more on that
[21:37] <Ogredude> but my thoughts are the solution's going to be either to disable the onboard soundcard, skip the Fiio and use the onboard soundcard, or fiddle with the drivers for the Fiio and possibly the USB
[21:38] <Miebster> why can't I apt-get install virtualbox?  I'm on 10.04
[21:38] <bekks> Miebster: Did you add the official vbox ppa?
[21:38] <Sna4x81> Miebster: Did you add the repository, or are you using the opensource version?
[21:38] <Miebster> I didn't add any ppa
[21:38] <bekks> Sna4x81: Since version 4, there is only an opensource version.
[21:38] <Ogredude> Miebster: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/Installation
[21:39] <Enkki> Can someone suggest a good alternative to vsftpd ?
[21:39] <bekks> Enkki: ssh
[21:39] <Sna4x81> Ahh - I remember long ago there was a version of virtualbox in the repos without adding a ppa.  I never really used that version though.
[21:40] <Enkki> bekks, i need to jail users in their home directories
[21:40] <bekks> Enkki: vsftpd can be configured like that.
[21:41] <agsel> so. I want to install ubuntu. I have win7. any suggestions on why I should not use virtual machine for ubuntu?
[21:41] <Sna4x81> agsel: opengl > 2!
[21:41] <agsel> and if I virtualize, then what to use?
[21:41] <Ogredude> agsel: depends on how you want to use it
[21:41] <cfedde> agsel: depending on the hardware the vm will work fine.
[21:42] <cfedde> agsel: virtualbox is free and good enough.
[21:42] <agsel> I have 16G ram and i7-3720
[21:42] <cfedde> you'll be fine.
[21:42] <Enkki> bekks, i know but for now i spent few hours trying to get vsftp work and I still have the error "500 OOPS: vsftpd: refusing to run with writable root inside chroot ()", it seems to be impossible to get it work
[21:42] <cfedde> Just don't give the vm too much ram.
[21:42] <bekks> agsel: And what do you want to do in your vm?
[21:42] <bekks> Enkki: The error message is very clear, isnt it? :)
[21:42] <agsel> what about nvidia graphics. I have heard that linux doesn't support optimus out of box. is this better/worse with virtual stuff?
[21:43] <agsel> mostly programming
[21:43] <cfedde> agsel: the virutalized graphos controler will be fine.
[21:43] <WoLf> Can anyone read me? wondering if I'm not coming through, or did I find a question too difficult?
[21:43] <cfedde> graphics too.
[21:43] <ShadowKatStudios> Could I have some help?
[21:43] <agsel> cfedde: thanks
[21:43] <agsel> so, what to use to virtualize?
[21:43] <ShadowKatStudios> I have an iRiver E150 and it only lets me read from it
[21:43] <hilo> Enkki, you have to set the permissions on the filesystem so that the user accessing the files can't write that directory
[21:43] <ShadowKatStudios> it says 'Read only file system'
[21:44] <bekks> Enkki: http://www.benscobie.com/fixing-500-oops-vsftpd-refusing-to-run-with-writable-root-inside-chroot/
[21:44] <ShadowKatStudios> And I can't change it in the properties
[21:44] <cfedde> agsel: you might have trouble if you want to run some high performace simulations or graphics, may even hd video from the guest os.  but for common usage you should be in good shape.
[21:44] <agsel> btw, can I use a partition of my hard drive in virtual linux?
[21:44] <hilo> Enkki, If you want users to have that ability, the work around I use is having a folder in their home which is then writable. They just can't write to the root, which is fine.
[21:44] <cfedde> agsel: the vm can partition its virutal disk
[21:45] <agsel> but if I want to share
[21:45] <bekks> agsel: Yes.
[21:45] <Enkki> bekks, of course its clear but I installed alternative version of vsftpd with "allow_writeable_chroot=YES" option enabled (http://blog.thefrontiergroup.com.au/2012/10/making-vsftpd-with-chrooted-users-work-again/), and still this msg..
[21:45] <agsel> cfedde: let's say I will have 2 virtual machines then
[21:45] <cfedde> agsel: not to easy to do that.  Best to mount the windows disk in the guest.
[21:45] <bekks> agsel: And if you want to share things, use shared folders.
[21:45] <Ogredude> agsel: last time I needed to do that, I shared the folder on the Windows side and accessed it with Samba from the Linux side
[21:45] <cfedde> agsel: what bekks said.
[21:45] <Ogredude> donno if that's the currently accepted method but it worked 6 years ago :)
[21:45] <agsel> but sharing between two different virtual machines?
[21:46] <MonkeyDust> agsel  i'm running virtual mint with 2 shared folders
[21:46] <cfedde> agsel: sure.  One or the other can publish a volume as smb or via nfs.
[21:46] <cfedde> it's up to you.
[21:46] <cfedde> or both can mount disk from the host.
[21:46] <bekks> agsel: USing shared folders or the sharings mechanisms the guest OS offers.
[21:46] <Enkki> hilo, I tried that but when I put the home directory unwritable and subdirectory writable, ftp connection works but I cannot write anything even in the subfolder (but by ssh with the same user everything works)
[21:46] <cfedde> here I mean the guests can mount a shared disk from the host.
[21:47] <hilo> Enkki, The home must have the execute permission
[21:47] <cfedde> there are lots of potential topologies.  and "best" is subjective.
[21:47] <ShadowKatStudios> Guys, could you tell me how to turn off read protection on a USB?
[21:47] <cfedde> ShadowKatStudios: thumb drive?
[21:47] <ShadowKatStudios> Wait
[21:48] <ShadowKatStudios> Guys, could you tell me how to turn off write protection on a USB? *
[21:48] <ShadowKatStudios> There
[21:48] <Enkki> hilo, hum it looks like a wise suggestion, I will try
[21:48] <Miebster> When I try to install virtual box this is what happens http://paste.ubuntu.com/1430623/
[21:48] <ShadowKatStudios> It's an iRiver E150
[21:48] <cfedde> ShadowKatStudios: a music player?
[21:48] <ShadowKatStudios> Yeah
[21:49] <ShadowKatStudios> I have it in Power & Data mode
[21:49] <cfedde> some of them are pretty picky.
[21:49] <atrius> if i create an internal DNS server with a SOA of foo.com, which exists in the external world too, that's going to cause problems for those machines which use that DNS server, wouldn't it?
[21:49] <cfedde> ShadowKatStudios: are you using the auto mount when you plug it in?
[21:49] <ShadowKatStudios> I could boot windows, but it's slow and 'Synchronising' is overly slow and useless
[21:50] <ShadowKatStudios> Yeah, it mounts itself
[21:50] <hilo> Enkki, can you pastebin your vsftp.conf?
[21:51] <Ogredude> ShadowKatStudios: here's a possibility http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/iriver-e100s-internal-memory-doesnt-automount-682289/#post3387917
[21:51] <ShadowKatStudios> Is it possible to change the BG colour?
[21:51] <ShadowKatStudios> Ah
[21:51] <ShadowKatStudios> I'll see
[21:51] <ShadowKatStudios> I can read the internal memory
[21:51] <ShadowKatStudios> Just not do anything to id
[21:51] <ShadowKatStudios> it*
[21:52] <Ogredude> also maybe https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PortableDevices/iRiver
[21:52] <Enkki> hilo, here it is: http://pastebin.com/wci33zSi
[21:53] <Miebster> I installed python 2.7 on ubuntu 10.04 which has the potential to cause conflicts, so I installed it as /opt/bin/python2.7 and in the shell "python" will launch python 2.6 and "python2.7" will  launch 2.7.  When trying to install virtual box the system is trying to use 2.7, so somewhere it knows it exists and its causing a problem, where would it specify which version to use?
[21:54] <ShadowKatStudios> I'll be back soon
[21:55] <ShadowKatStudios> Gonna go boot windows
[21:55] <ShadowKatStudios> Maybe put Rockbox on my E150
[21:55] <Miebster> How do I activate the backports repo for virtualbox?
[21:55] <hilo> Enkki, What user do you log in with
[21:55] <hilo> Enkki, to the ftp
[21:56] <WoLf> nevermind, I give up. Wasted 18 hours trying to fix this, and it seems even just a "yes can read you" is too much to ask for.
[21:57] <escott> Wolf, yes can read you
[21:57] <Enkki> hilo, is use testuser (a user that exists on my ubuntu server) and has his home directory
[21:57] <erncic> WoLf is there a root= in your grub that needs to be changed after moving the disk?
[21:57] <WoLf> Thanks, escott. At least now I know that my chat is coming through =P
[21:58] <escott> WoLf, you should state your question again
[21:58] <hilo> Enkki, on line 26 of your vsftp.conf you have to remove the comment so that "local_enable=YES" is not commented out.
[21:59] <WoLf> erncic: I tried running boot-repair to update the configuration, for what I have read, it should take care of that..
[22:00] <erncic> WoLf: True, I am just trying to come up with why the boot directory is not being found now.
[22:01] <WoLf> erncic: It's greatly appreciated.. I'm really at the last straw with this as I don't understand what I'm doing wrong.. in grub rescue, the prefix and root show correctly hd0, but if I try ls $prefix, I get a /boot/grub : file not found
[22:01] <hilo> Enkki, what are you going to use the ftp for?
[22:02] <Enkki> hilo, ah yes correct this time (its maybe the 10th config..) i forgot it
[22:02] <Enkki> hilo, to allow few users to upload and edit a particular directory
[22:02] <erncic> WoLf: do you have a separate boot partition?
[22:03] <bekks> Enkki: Why dont you use ssh for doing so?
[22:03] <WoLf> erncic: no, I only have / and swap partitions.
[22:03] <hilo> Enkki, make yourself a template for setting it up. I wrote a script which installs and configures vsftp to use guest users instead of real system users (which is a security risk if user are connecting from the public internet)
[22:04] <WoLf> in livecd, coming up as sdc1 and sdc2.. in grub rescue they are hd0,msdos1 and hd0,msdos2
[22:04] <Enkki> bekks, because doing so I will have to allow ssh access to these people and also I have read its not easy to jail users in a specific directory with ssh
[22:05] <bekks> Enkki: It is as easy as jailing ftp. And it is more secure than ftp.
[22:05] <Enkki> bekks, but these users will be able to execute other commands by ssh no ?
[22:06] <escott> Enkki, you can prevent that
[22:06] <bekks> Enkki: They can do whatever commands you permit them to "have" in their jail. Thats what a jail is for,
[22:06] <escott> Enkki, http://www.minstrel.org.uk/papers/sftp/
[22:07] <dr_willis> I cant think of many (any?) reasons to stick with ftp these days
[22:07] <hilo> Enkki, bekks, that is why I recommend the guest user method.
[22:07] <bekks> hilo: Which can used usingssh, too. I am just suggesting to not use ftp anymore these days. :)
[22:08] <Enemtee> What do i need to think about if i'm dualbooting windows and ubuntu 12.04 and I want to increase the partition ubuntu is on? gparted i guess, but what should i look out for?
[22:08] <dr_willis> Enemtee:  use a gparted live cd is the easiest way
[22:08] <Enemtee> not directly from from ubuntu then?
[22:08] <dr_willis> Enemtee:  if the ubuntu is on a logical partion inside an extended. you may need to grow it in steps
[22:09] <dr_willis> you do NOT resize a partion thats mounted/in use.
[22:09] <Enemtee> dr_willis: i'll think about that, i'm kind of new to linux, so i'm still learning. thanks.
[22:09] <erncic> WoLf: I am out of suggestions, other than try different root= lines at grub.
[22:10] <dr_willis> Enemtee:  and of course.. make backups first..
[22:10] <LennySabatier_> Hello everyone ! I need help ! I am having some serious issues.
[22:11] <LennySabatier_> I've been using Linux for years.
[22:11] <WoLf> erncic: which approach would you suggest for doing that? running boot-repair again, or manually editing from livecd? I believe I can't run update-grub from there
[22:11] <bekks> !ask | LennySabatier_
[22:11] <LennySabatier_> everything was going perfect. so much so that i ended up getting rid of my double boot and have been on Linux exclusively for at least two years.
[22:11] <hilo> LennySabatier, What is the issue
[22:12] <bekks> LennySabatier_: Thats not relevant to the actual issue, isnt it?
[22:12] <erncic> WoLf: I would hit E i think at boot and manually give it a root parameter and see if you can get it booted that way.
[22:12] <LennySabatier_> yesterday, as i was watching a dvd in bed, i accidently unplugged my pc. my pc turn off unconventionnaly and now it won't start.
[22:12] <LennySabatier_> let me elaborate on that.
[22:12] <Thete> Would 12.04 LTS or 12.10 work better as a LAMP server?
[22:12] <escott> LennySabatier, boot your install media and fsck the partitions
[22:12] <dr_willis> Thete:  for a long term/business server - most people would say stick with LTS
[22:13] <Thete> dr_willis: Sounds good, thanks :)
[22:13] <LennySabatier_> nothing is working. safe mode is not working. repairing the broken paquets isn't working.
[22:13] <WoLf> erncic: let me try.. I think I can't get to pass anything to grub at boot, as it goes straight on grub rescue prompt. Let's see.
[22:13] <LennySabatier_> i tried everything.
[22:14] <bekks> LennySabatier_: "isnt working" is pretty generic. Whats "not working" exactly, when you are doing what exactly?
[22:14] <erncic> WoLf: it is at the grub menu that you want to edit the kernal parameters.
[22:14] <srg> Hey, is there a direct URL for the lastst Desktop version, 64bit, of ubuntu? I tried finding one on the website, but it keeps bringing my browser to the download script, not a direct image
[22:14] <dr_willis> !download
[22:14] <srg> I tried ftp.ubuntu.com and various other urls
[22:14] <srg> ahh, releases
[22:14] <srg> thank you
[22:14] <LennySabatier_> when testing my my hard disk, it give me an error at 57% and says 'replace hard disk 1'
[22:14] <bekks> LennySabatier_: How did you "test" your disk exactly...?
[22:15] <LennySabatier_> i managed to ignore the errors and now i can access the guest session of my ubuntu. but not my main password protected user.
[22:15] <Enkki> bekks, ok I had a look at the ssh solution it seems intersting maybe it will work better than this vsftpd... Would it be possible to assign (jail) a group to a specific directory ? I found juste found this article, is this what about you wrote ? http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2012/03/chroot-sftp-setup/
[22:15] <WoLf> erncic: I don't get the grub menu at all, it's instant straight to Error: file not found and then grub rescue prompt. I just tried to reboot spamming "E", no go. =(
[22:15] <LennySabatier_> i tested it by pressing escape and running a full diagnosis of the pc
[22:16] <dr_willis> So the HD has failed a 'SMART' Test?
[22:16] <bekks> LennySabatier_: Pressing esc when... where... which tool have you been using?
[22:16] <LennySabatier_> no, the SMART test worked.
[22:16] <LennySabatier_> as soon as you restart the pc, before it boots, i press escape and it takes me to the HP command so to speak.
[22:17] <bekks> LennySabatier_: Did you run a SMART selftest, too?
[22:17] <escott> LennySabatier_, HP command? sounds like some HP bios diagnostics. we wouldn't know anything about them
[22:18] <blami> how I can remove certain application from 'envelope' notification bar?
[22:18] <blami> I once launched thunderbird by accident and now it is still here even if I close the application
[22:18] <LennySabatier_> i did. the SMART test was successful. i am talking to you from my GUEST SESSION on my UBUNTU. i cannot access my normal session. the one with everything on. when i write my password, screen goes black and i go back to where i was were i have to write my password again.
[22:18] <grpace> Greetings and Happy Holidays to all out there! I'm running Ubuntu 12.04 LTS.  A system update a couple of days ago updated MySQL.  Since then, when trying to access localhost through the browser, I get the error: Database Error: Unable to connect to the Database: The MySQL adapter 'mysql' is not available.  I can open a terminal and see that MySQL is running and access it.  Anyone have an idea of what happened here ??  Thank You.
[22:19] <erncic> WoLf: at the rescue prompt, what does 'ls' give you?
[22:19] <dr_willis> LennySabatier_:  can you login at the consoles?
[22:19] <LennySabatier_> I haven't tried logging at consols.. how would I do that ?
[22:19] <trism> blami: if 12.10+ it saves the apps currently in the messaging menu to com.canonical.indicator.messages applications (in say, dconf-editor), you could try removing the entry and restarting your session
[22:20] <WoLf> erncic: (hd0) (hd0,msdos2) (hd0,msdos1) (hd1) (hd1,msdos1) (hd2) (hd2,msdos1) (hd3) (hd3,msdos1)
[22:20] <dr_willis> LennySabatier_:  you have been using ubuntu fir years and never used the alt-ctrl-f1 to get to the consoles?
[22:20] <trism> blami: unfortunately, the apps automatically register themselves when launched, so if you want it gone for good you are going to have to uninstall the app (or never launch it)
[22:21] <dr_willis> LennySabatier_:  go to console. see if you can login.  try making a new user. see if the new user works in the X login. if so.. that points to some setting file in your users home being to blame.
[22:21] <LennySabatier_> i never had to. i've learnt to use the command line. install most of my application from there. update & upgrade my OS from there but I have no idea what accessing consoles means.
[22:21] <WoLf> erncic: if I do a ls (hd0,msdos1)/ I get the content of my root.. but if I go deeper, like ls (hd0,msdos1)/boot/ I get empty list. /boot/grub/ goes file not found.
[22:21] <koteszop> #free botlist  <irc.openjoke.net>
[22:21] <dr_willis> LennySabatier_:  alt-ctrl-f1 through f6 = consoles. F7 = X interface

[22:22] <erncic> WoLf: have you tried to 'root(hd0,msdos1)'
[22:22] <LennySabatier_> i'm sure that it is a Home issue. i remember reading somewhere in those errors i got that i had corrupt files or something like that there.
[22:22] <dr_willis> LennySabatier_:  common issue is a messed up .Xauthority file. i would rename it/delete it.. then see if login works
[22:22] <LennySabatier_> how do i delete or repair corrupt files from my /home ?
[22:23] <dr_willis> via the rm command.. you never used 'rm' befor? ---->
[22:23] <WoLf> erncic: yes, and "set" returns: prefix=(hd0,msdos1)/boot/grub and root=hd0,msdos1
[22:23] <dr_willis> weird --->  LennySab+| i never had to. i've learnt to use the command line.
[22:24] <dr_willis> rm is one of the core commands to learn. ;)
[22:24] <escott> WoLf, could /boot be empty because there might have been a /boot partition in the previous install
[22:24] <w30> LennySabatier_, lots of times if you launch a GUI app sudo it messes up permissions of the user .Xdefaults  file if so change owner back to user that you are and not root that it gets changed to.
[22:24] <bekks> LennySabatier_: And the only chance to "repair" files is getting them back from your backup.
[22:24] <litropy> Hi, all. I'd very much appreciate it if I could get some help with Remote Desktop'ing to my local server. I can ssh into it fine, but I get "Connection refused" when I try to VNC into it.
[22:24] <blami> trism: aha thanks, dconf way worked
[22:25] <koteszop> join irc.openjoke.net
[22:25] <WoLf> escott: I checked from the liveCD, mounted the usb drive, and /boot/grub contains the files it's looking for
[22:25] <koteszop> join /irc.openjoke.net
[22:25] <w30> LennySabatier_, use gksu for superuser  launch of GUI apps
[22:25] <bekks> koteszop: "/join irc.openjoke.net"
[22:25] <hwhomeworld> anyone tried ubuntu with Raspberry pI??
[22:25] <hwhomeworld> is there a version available for raspberry pi
[22:25] <litropy> Also note: I don't have a monitor hooked into it, but I did install normal 12.04, and I see Unity running.
[22:26] <bekks> hwhomeworld: No.
[22:26] <kimkam120> Wow...
[22:26] <erncic> WoLf: at his point can you  insmod /boot/......./_linux.mod   ? (use the path from your earlier post, I can't scrollback far enough)
[22:26] <hwhomeworld> no to special version or no to ubbuntu?
[22:26] <hwhomeworld> or both
[22:26] <dr_willis> koteszop:  you join channels.. and connect to servers... then join the channels on the server.
[22:26] <bekks> hwhomeworld: No to both.
[22:26] <xxen0nxx> so im haveing a bit of an issue wiht ubuntu 11.10 32bit server edition
[22:27] <WoLf> erncic: linux.mod? not normal.mod ?
[22:27] <xxen0nxx> when i boot up it gets past post and then hangs on a black screen
[22:27] <WoLf> I'm going to try.
[22:27] <hwhomeworld> well is there a reason why ubuntu cant be run??
[22:27] <xxen0nxx> iv tried evrything besides format
[22:27] <hwhomeworld> and debian runs fine
[22:27] <dr_willis> hwhomeworld:  there is a piBuntu project.
[22:27] <auronandace> !arm | hwhomeworld
[22:28] <ScottJensen> xxen0nxx: you need to set vmalloc=768M in your grub config
[22:28] <erncic> WoLF: normal.mod - like I said, I could not scroll back far enough,
[22:28] <dr_willis> hwhomeworld:  the Pi is a bit underpowered for a full featured ubuntu.
[22:28] <WoLf> *nods* alright
[22:28] <xxen0nxx> can i do that from rescue broken system?
[22:28] <ScottJensen> xxen0nxx: in 11 they changed it to 1GB
[22:28] <ScottJensen> by default
[22:28] <bekks> hwhomeworld: Ye, there is a reason. Ubuntu supports ARMv7 only, while the Raspberry Pi uses ARMv6.
[22:28] <xxen0nxx> ok
[22:28] <WoLf> erncic: insmod /boot/grub/i386-pc/normal.mod -> Error file not found.
[22:29] <xxen0nxx> it wsa fine before but i did a kernal update and it broke
[22:29]  * dr_willis waits for his backordered Pi's to arrive...
[22:29] <escott> !nomodeset | xxen0nxx
[22:29] <xxen0nxx> ok thanks
[22:29] <WoLf> erncic: which is actually the error it gives me at boot, too.
[22:30] <ScottJensen> xxen0nxx: yes, rescue boot, vi /etc/default/grub, add vmalloc=768M to the default cmdline. then config-grub
[22:30] <erncic> WoLf: I don't think hd0 is the one you want then. Try the other ones and repeat the process. root(hd1,msdos1) .. etc.
[22:30] <samy> hi
[22:30] <xxen0nxx> ok thanks
[22:30] <RickZilla> If I use the disk installer, can I go back in later with a partition editor and get rid of that partition if I need to?
[22:30] <xxen0nxx> ill try that
[22:30] <WoLf> erncic: it's the only hd with 2 partitions, and ls of / on hd0,msdos1 gives me the list of directories in my root, including /boot/
[22:30] <blami> trism: by the way - if I decide to use anything else than empathy (which is actually broken with beehive xmpp) will I lose the ability to control status using the icons in messages menu?
[22:31] <samy> i'm in live ubuntu 12.10 now
[22:32] <WoLf> erncic: and I don't have another linux installation on that computer. Btw.. I did try all of them out of desperation while trying all the informations I could find on google.
[22:32] <samy> and wanna re partition my hard with Gparted program
[22:32] <samy> how can i access gparted in live version?
[22:32] <trism> blami: any app can support status changes, it isn't exclusive to empathy. though if no apps in the messaging menu support it, the status items will be hidden
[22:33] <LennySabatier> sorry for disappearing dr_willis
[22:33] <samy> i can't find it
[22:33] <dr_willis> samy:  try sudo apt-get install gparted
[22:34] <LennySabatier> i pressed the buttons you told me to press ctlr + alt + f1 and i logged on to my account. what do i do then ?
[22:34] <dr_willis> LennySabatier:  clean out the old config files  id start with .Xauthority
[22:34] <samy> dr_willis: thanks, how can i open a terminal?
[22:35] <dr_willis> mv .Xauthority old.Xauthority
[22:35] <RickZilla> If I use the disk installer, can I go back in later with a partition editor and get rid of that partition if I need to?
[22:35] <erncic> WoLf: I'd try at #grub and see if they can help. It is a grub2 problem for sure, but what I "know" has just been exhausted. :)
[22:35] <dr_willis> samy:  top ubuntu icon, click, type 'terminal'
[22:35] <LennySabatier> ok, then what ?
[22:36] <dr_willis> LennySabatier:  try to login to X
[22:36] <WoLf> erncic: Thanks for your help =) I will try to ask there.
[22:36] <dr_willis> LennySabatier:  try renameing .config next  if it still fails
[22:36] <dr_willis> .Xauthority seems to be the issue most of the time.
[22:37] <LennySabatier> ok, i'll be back. i'll try it and rush back. thank you
[22:38] <Wicla> Hi.  Are it possible to include variables such as $USER for sudoers rules? Like allow group X to do chown $USER (which is their own user)?
[22:38] <belgianguy> hmm, my system just hung up
[22:38] <belgianguy> and I suspect my ATI/fglrx
[22:39] <belgianguy> how do I check those?
[22:39] <Wicla> so, user USER1 is allowed to chown USER1 <somefile> and USER2 is allowed to chown USER2 <somefile>
[22:39] <samy> dr_willis: i can't find it :( is there any keys combination for opening a terminal?
[22:39] <LennySabatier> @dr_willis where is the directory containing .Xauthority ?
[22:40] <bekks> LennySabatier: it is in your home.
[22:40] <willmore> Is anyone else experiencing missing menus after reboot?  I just built this box yesterday, all packages are up to date and I reboot today and login and there are no menus at all.
[22:40] <Wicla> at the moment the rule does not match since the username does not match $USER (the value is not expanded when it should match)
[22:40] <willmore> 12.10, btw.
[22:41] <dr_willis> LennySabatier:  there is no direcotry its in your Homes root
[22:41] <dr_willis> samy:  you are using Unity?
[22:42] <dr_willis> willmore:  just the ,menu bars? or the left panel also?
[22:42] <samy> dr_willis: no i'm in ubuntu live CD now, so it must be gnome i think
[22:42] <escott> Wicla, no
[22:42] <willmore> Ahh-ha!  .xerrors "Compiz (opengl) - Fatal: glXQueryExtensionsString is NULL for screen 0"
[22:42] <LennySabatier> @bekks @dr_willis i wrote this exactly "sudo mv .Xauthority old.Xauthority" without the brackets. the answer was "no file or folder of this type" it said it in french, i translated to english.
[22:42] <dr_willis> samy:  what release?
[22:42] <samy> dr_willis: 12.10
[22:42] <willmore> dr_willis, both of them.  Just a blank desktop--well, the one icon I put there yesterday.
[22:42] <dr_willis> LennySabatier:  shouldent have been any need to use sudo   see if the file is there..
[22:42] <bekks> LennySabatier: Then you arent in the correct directory.
[22:43] <willmore> Looks like Compiz doesn't like the radeon driver.
[22:43] <dr_willis> LennySabatier:  an check your current directory.
[22:43] <dr_willis> samy:  then you are using Unity.
[22:43] <LennySabatier> i can't access my Home from the Guest Session
[22:43] <Peddy> u
[22:43] <samy> dr_willis: : )
[22:43] <dr_willis> LennySabatier:  you USE THE CONSOLE, login as your user. and  move/rename the files.. not the guest session
[22:44] <samy> i'm beginner
[22:44] <dr_willis> samy:  and you are wanting to use gparted? Thats a little scary.
[22:44] <Peddy> I can't mount my other hard drive which is encrypted, even though I'm sure the passphrase is correct, is there another format I could enter the password in?
[22:44] <willmore> Maybe if I set my window manager to something other than unity/compiz.
[22:44] <dr_willis> samy:  tap the super key type 'term' it should show Terminal
[22:45] <dr_willis> samy:  or alt-ctrl-t
[22:45] <BluesKaj> samy, http://www.ubun2.com/question/210/what_ubuntu_terminal_shortcut_key
[22:45] <LennySabatier> I used the console, typed in the command and the console told me the file didn't exist. i already am logged in the console at my user. how do i check whether the file is there or not using my console ?
[22:45] <belgianguy> any way to check for logs why my system hung up?
[22:45] <willmore> Ctrl-Alt-Super-Meta-Shift-X
[22:45] <willmore> Hard to do with one hand.
[22:45] <dr_willis> LennySabatier:  you said earlier you knew how to use the cli commands... guess you were exaggerating?
[22:46] <Wicla> escott: I thought as much. Thank you for you answer
[22:46] <dr_willis> LennySabatier:  'ls -al'
[22:46] <bekks> LennySabatier: Did you check wether the file exists in the directory you currently are?
[22:47] <LennySabatier> i checked, the file is not there :/
[22:47] <dr_willis> LennySabatier:  and to reset most all the other configs  'mv .config  backup.config'
[22:47] <OerHeks> logically you cannot access your home folder from a guest-account
[22:47] <maslo> hi guys could anyone walk me through a postfix installation or something similiar? All the tutorials online are either outdated or makes you install /config a bunch of stuff without really explaining anything I want 2 things out of it, I wanna be able to foward emails to another domain name and I'd like to be able to pipe them to a php script, if anyone can help me out it would be very appreciated! just PM me thank you ;x
[22:47] <bilbonvidia> what order are sleep.d scripts run?
[22:47] <samy> dr_willis: terminal says that i already have gparted so how can i open gparted program
[22:47] <bilbonvidia> higher or lower first
[22:47] <bekks> LennySabatier: Whats the name of the directoy you are in currently?
[22:47] <dr_willis> samy:  type its name in a terminal.. or again.. use the super key/dash and type its name
[22:47] <bilbonvidia> 10_script 11_script
[22:48] <samy> i have backup from my hard disk, it's ok :)
[22:48] <willmore> How does one change the window manager from the command line in Ubuntu?
[22:48] <pawlo_231> hi, how to configure sound blaster x-fi in Ubuntu?
[22:48] <dr_willis> LennySabatier:  you did type its name right? ;)    ls -al will show all files in the crrent directory
[22:48] <dr_willis> willmore:  during a running session replaceing the current one? or change the default the user has when he logs in?
[22:48] <willmore> dr_willis, next session is fine.
[22:48] <LennySabatier> now i'm in home
[22:49] <dr_willis> willmore:  you would edit your .dmrc file or just select it in the login manager screen
[22:49] <willmore> dr_willis, compiz is crashing because the OSS Radeon driver doesn't support some extension it wants to see.
[22:49] <samy> dr_willis: ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ gparted Root privileges are required for running gparted.
[22:49] <dr_willis> willmore:  many wm's support the 'windowmanagername --replace' option
[22:49] <samy> :(
[22:49] <willmore> dr_willis, Okay, I looked on the login manager screen, but I don't see a place to select the WM.  Do I need to hold down a special key or something?
[22:50] <dr_willis> samy:  that makes sence... since you dont want every user to be able to format your hard drives...
[22:50] <dr_willis> willmore:  the little gear is an icon/menu
[22:50] <LennySabatier> done, the file is definitely not there :(
[22:50] <dr_willis> They really need a better lightdm theme..
[22:50] <dr_willis> gdm's default is much more obvious
[22:50] <bekks> LennySabatier: Then answer my question please.
[22:51] <LennySabatier> i am in the HOME directory.
[22:51] <willmore> dr_willis, I don't see any gear on the login manager screen
[22:51] <LennySabatier> cd /home
[22:51] <bekks> LennySabatier: Whats the full name of the directory you are in?
[22:51] <LennySabatier> that's where i am.
[22:51] <bekks> LennySabatier: Thats wrong. cd /home/yourusername
[22:51] <ScottJensen> cd ~
[22:51] <ScottJensen> that takes you home
[22:51] <samy> dr_willis: yes you right! so there is no way for using gparted in live cd, yes?
[22:51] <dr_willis> samy:  run it via gksudo like you would on a normal install..
[22:52] <dr_willis> I use gparted from a live cd all the time
[22:52] <dr_willis> 'gksudo gparted'
[22:52] <LennySabatier> lionel@Lionel-Ubuntu:/$
[22:52] <LennySabatier> that's the full name of my directory right now.
[22:52] <dr_willis> LennySabatier:  notice your prompt changes to be your current directory? :)
[22:53] <LennySabatier> ok, let me try again.
[22:53] <hilo> LennySabatier, pwd
[22:53] <bekks> LennySabatier: No. Thats just your prompt. Use "pwd" to get you current directoy.
[22:53] <LennySabatier> using pwd
[22:53] <willmore> dr_willis, maybe the gear doesn't appear is there isn't more than one WM installed.  Installing xfce
[22:54] <LennySabatier> it says i'm in /home/lionel
[22:54] <samy> dr_willis:  thanks' it works :)
[22:54] <LennySabatier> lionel being my username
[22:54] <LennySabatier> Did not understand your question dr_willis ?
[22:55] <LennySabatier> am i still in the wrong directory ?
[22:55] <dr_willis> LennySabatier:  now look at your files/dirs.. whats there.
[22:55] <dr_willis> LennySabatier:  just 'cd' goes back to your home directory also.
[22:56] <willmore> dr_willis, that fixed it.  Now there's a gear and xfce is an option.  Just logged in.  yay!
[22:56] <LennySabatier> if what i'm looking at are the only files there then i am really screwed :O most of my folders are completely gone :O
[22:56] <willmore> dr_willis, now, I'll install the AMD binary driver and go back.  Thanks for the help!
[22:56] <LennySabatier> can i share a print screen of my folders here ?
[22:58] <dr_willis> LennySabatier:  you are looking for the .config directory, and the file .Xauthority
[22:58] <dr_willis> rename both of those. and then see if your user can login.
[23:00] <LennySabatier> the .config directory doesn't exist anymore. *cd /home/lionel/.config*  directory doesn't exist.
[23:01] <samy> dr_willis: i can't delete some of my partitions, because they are not unmount and there is no unmount option on right click menu
[23:01] <LennySabatier> most of my folders don't show when i use *ls -al*
[23:01] <dr_willis> sounds like you had a major filesystem failure then.
[23:03]  * dr_willis will BBL.. gotta get ready for work.
[23:04] <LennySabatier> how the hell did that happen ? the only thing that happened was my pc getting accidently unplugged while watching an mp4 movie on vlc. that's all. how can i fix it ? can't ubuntu access the internet and download the missing files ?
[23:04] <LennySabatier> thank you anyway dr_willis.
[23:06] <RickZilla> If I use the disk installer, can I go back in later with a partition editor and get rid of that partition if I need to?
[23:06] <OerHeks> LennySabatier, logically you cannot access your home folder from a guest-account, try to boot recovery by pressing shift @ boot to enter grub menu
[23:07] <atrius> where in the world do i kill the thing that keeps clearing my shell history?
[23:07] <ubuntie> how would i create a bash script that will count then display the number of arguments actually passed to the script if the number of the arguments is zero, then have it display an appropriate usage message
[23:08] <LennySabatier> what do i do once i'm in the grub menu ?
[23:08] <ubuntie> Hello Lenny can you please assist :)
[23:08] <samy> is there anyone to help me? :(
[23:08] <escott> atrius, (a) by default nothing will kill your history (b) you probably just have multiple shells competing to write history (c) we do not condone murder in this channel
[23:09] <atrius> ubuntie: http://bit.ly/TRgYvh :)
[23:09] <ubuntie> hey samy you know how to script?
[23:09] <atrius> escott: lol
[23:09] <LennySabatier> i myself am being assisted ubuntie. i just read your message. it goes beyond my simple understanding of command line usage. i'm sorry.
[23:09] <samy> ubuntie: nope
[23:09] <escott> atrius, try: shopt -s histappend in your ~/.bashrc
[23:10] <escott> atrius, export PROMPT_COMMAND='history -a' may also be desirable
[23:10] <ubuntie> atrius thank you kindly, but i am actually stuck on even how to start this lil puppy
[23:10] <atrius> escott: already present.. that's part of why i'm confused
[23:10] <atrius> escott: i'll check on that one
[23:10] <samy> ubuntie: would u help me pls?
[23:10] <atrius> ubuntie: what exactly are you trying to do?
[23:11] <Treadstone__71> How does one monitor the firewall for denies etc in Ubuntu?
[23:11] <ubuntie> create a script that will accept general commands
[23:11] <ubuntie> then display how many commands were used
[23:11] <ubuntie> if none were used then display a command must be used
[23:11] <atrius> ubuntie: are you just doing this for a learning toy?
[23:11] <samy> hum
[23:11] <ubuntie> yes
[23:11] <OerHeks> LennySabatier, after doing that you can choose recovery mode, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RecoveryMode after that, i am no wizzard howto resolve your problem too
[23:12] <penguinman> Treadstone__71, it's in the system logs somewhere. forget exactly where as my firewall is handled by my router and I haven't had to get into it in a long time
[23:12] <ubuntie> sorry samy I'm learning too
[23:12] <ubuntie> the commands can be like date, time, who
[23:12] <ubuntie> and then display those arguments
[23:12] <ubuntie> and once it shows them it will give the number of arguments used
[23:12] <dr_willis> samy:  teaching people how to use gparted over irc is a little bit challangeing.
[23:12] <ubuntie> if none are provide it will give an error message advising to give one
[23:13] <[snake]> I am writing zeroes to my disk.
[23:13] <dr_willis> samy:  you do understand the basics of disk partioning?
[23:13] <Treadstone__71> penguinman Thank you.
[23:13] <LennySabatier> ok, thank you OerHeks, i'll try it and come back.
[23:13] <ubuntie> atrius i understand it might use #? in there?
[23:14] <samy> dr_willis: you right. i did it at installes mint  before
[23:14] <samy> *installed
[23:14] <dr_willis> samy:   you may need to use the umount command to force differnt partions to be unmounted if the liv4e cd is mounting them.
[23:15] <dr_willis> samy:  i tend to use the gparted live cd - which is specilized and does not mount anything by default
[23:15] <samy> yes
[23:15] <tyler_d> my login time takes appx 45 seconds, how would I go about figuring out what is slowing it down?
[23:15] <Ogredude> hey I need a braincheck here. All the documentation I can find tells me to set my DNS servers by editing /etc/resolv.conf but when I get in there it's got this all-caps warning not to edit it by hand, my changes will be overwritten.  Which one should I believe?
[23:16] <penguinman> tyler_d, is that time to boot or is that time from actually typing in your password to login?
[23:16] <dr_willis> Ogredude:  thats the old docs.
[23:16] <dr_willis> theres a service that handles resolv.conf these days
[23:16] <dr_willis> brb
[23:16] <tyler_d> penguinman: typing password to having a useable desktop
[23:16] <xangua> http://www.liberiangeek.net/2012/05/setup-static-dns-servers-in-ubuntu-12-04-precise-pangolin/ just use gksudo instead of sudo for gedit Ogredude
[23:16] <Ogredude> xangua: gedit's the editor, yeah?
[23:17] <Ogredude> if so, I'll vi, thanks
[23:17] <penguinman> do a dash search for startup applications and try disabling some of them. also do you get any system error messages when you first log in?
[23:17] <penguinman> tyler_d, ^^
[23:18] <tyler_d> ahh, penguinman how is that done from term? for startup apps?
[23:19] <penguinman> tyler_d, that I actually don't know. I imagine it would be under ~/.config somewhere.
[23:20] <penguinman> tyler_d, I'm actually a KDE guy so I haven't really gotten under the hood in unity too much.
[23:20] <tyler_d> penguinman: is there no way to enable logging in order to see what applications are taking the most cpu time?
[23:20] <tyler_d> penguinman: or real time would be even more fantastical
[23:21] <RickZilla> If I use the disk installer, can I go back in later with a partition editor and get rid of that partition if I need to?
[23:21] <Ogredude> xangua: worked, thanks!
[23:21] <escott> RickZilla, yes?
[23:21] <atrius> ubuntie: http://pastebin.com/JycJN7A3 <-- see if this makes sense
[23:21] <RickZilla> escott: you sound like you're not so sure...
[23:22] <escott> RickZilla, not sure what your question is. you can always remove partitions
[23:22] <penguinman> tyler_d, try this, install htop, open up a tty via ctrl alt f1, run htop, switch back to f7, log in, then back to f1 and watch to see for any usage spikes.
[23:22] <tyler_d> penguinman: I will tias, back shortly
[23:22] <RickZilla> escott: Clarification: If I opt to not do a rolling upgrade, and instead do a fresh install later on, can I just nuke that partition and start over?
[23:23] <RickZilla> escott: Bigger question: the disk installer creates a partition for me, right?
[23:23] <LennySabatier> @OerHeks nothing remains in my home folder. not my downloads folder. not my dropbox folder. not my Ubuntu One folder. not my movies folder ... how the hell can all those folders filled with countless gigs of data disappear ?
[23:23] <escott> RickZilla, still really unclear what you are proposing
[23:23] <LennySabatier> should i lose hope in ever recovering all that data ?
[23:24] <RickZilla> escott: If I have win, then install ubuntu, the disk installer creates the partition, correct?
[23:24] <Ogredude> RickZilla: it's all just partitions, dude. You'd nuke 'em the same way you would if you'd set them up for yourself instead of letting the installer do it
[23:24] <escott> LennySabatier, did you have encrypted home
[23:24] <LennySabatier> yes i did.
[23:24] <escott> RickZilla, yes
[23:24] <RickZilla> Ogredude: got it...if I create a partition first, does the disk installer give me the option of installing to that partition?
[23:24] <Ogredude> I've had good luck in the past by just letting the installer do its thing
[23:24] <LennySabatier> everything was encrypted. :(
[23:24] <RickZilla> escott: Got it...thx
[23:25] <tyler_d> penguinman: that was super fast that time around
[23:25] <escott> LennySabatier, then ecryptfs is probably not running
[23:25] <Ogredude> just tell it you want to install alongside win7 and accept the defaults on the partition stuff (except the sizes maybe), and it's always worked well for me
[23:25] <tyler_d> penguinman: which doesn't really help determine the problem
[23:25] <LennySabatier> escott, what do i need to do to run it ? why do i need to run it ?
[23:25] <RickZilla> k, thanks Ogredude and escott
[23:26] <escott> !ecryptfs | LennySabatier
[23:26] <BlessJah> could someone explain briefly what does '-t intrepid' mean and how it works in "sudo apt-get -b source -t intrepid firefox-3.0" (from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto)
[23:26] <ubuntie> arti thank you
[23:26] <ubuntie> checking
[23:26] <ubuntie> one second pls
[23:26] <escott> !encrypted | LennySabatier
[23:26] <escott> LennySabatier, there might be instructions on how to do the mount in ~/.Private
[23:27] <BlessJah> let's say i want gimp=2.8 on my precise box (precise has 2.6, while quantal has 2.8)
[23:27] <escott> BlessJah, upgrade to quantal
[23:27] <LennySabatier> thank you, i will read on how to do that. by the way, out of the few files remaining in my home directory, most of them have ecryptfs in them.
[23:28] <LennySabatier> thank you ubottu
[23:28] <RickZilla> BlessJah: You might have to get the .deb file to install it pre-quantal
[23:29] <BlessJah> RickZilla: according to doc entry, building package is better than simply grabbing .deb from quantals repositories
[23:29] <BlessJah> doc entry from link*
[23:30] <ubuntie> atrius works great sir!
[23:30] <ubuntie> only question is how do i make it run that command
[23:30] <ubuntie> lets suppose the script name is argcommand
[23:30] <ubuntie> and i run argcommand who time date
[23:31] <ubuntie> have it display those 3 things
[23:31] <atrius> ubuntie: stick that in a file.. and either do "bash filename" or give it the correct permissions with "chmod 700 filename".. you'd then run it with "./filename arg arg arg"
[23:31] <michalchik> Relative newbie to ubunto and linux. Any ideas on how i connect my cell phone to my machine to offload my text messages.
[23:31] <tyler_d> how do I unencrypt my home directory?
[23:32] <ubuntie> won't chmod u+x give it that access?
[23:32] <LennySabatier> maybe i can't access my home because the data is encrypted. eventhough i am typing my log in password. could that be a possibility ?
[23:32] <atrius> ubuntie: yes, it would
[23:32] <michalchik> And yes, i have googled the issue and the suggested tways seem to do nothing
[23:33] <atrius> ubuntie: "chmod u+x" == "chmod 700"
[23:33] <escott> LennySabatier, the ecryptfs loopback could have been corrupted in some way when you had the hard shutdown
[23:33] <dr_willis> LennySabatier:  what exactly is in your home directory?
[23:33] <xxen0nxx> hey thanks
[23:33] <dr_willis> I never use encrypted homes. ;)
[23:33] <xxen0nxx> got the issue fixed
[23:33] <escott> LennySabatier, something about the ecryptfs or its contents could be causing the login to fail back to the login screen
[23:33] <xxen0nxx> dr_willis: i used encrypted LVM :D
[23:34] <LennySabatier> that sounds logical escott.
[23:34] <LennySabatier> i wish i had your knowledge dr_willis
[23:34] <xxen0nxx> lenny did you encrypt both ur hdd and home dir?
[23:35] <LennySabatier> I believe i did. now i understand why nothing shows in my home directory. everything, absolutely everything that shows in my home directory has ecryptfs in it.
[23:35] <erncic> LennySabatier: How are you logged in?
[23:35] <ubuntie> atrius whenever the shell is given a command on the command line, the shell creates a duplicate of the shell process, what type of commands are exception to this rule?
[23:36] <Krustyklimber> hi
[23:36] <LennySabatier> Acess-Your-Data.desktop
[23:36] <xxen0nxx> lenny i did that once and it messed EVRYTHING up
[23:37] <LennySabatier> i'm logged in as a guest and am trying to access my home through Console ctrl+alt+f1.
[23:37] <dr_willis> well. the question is now.. was there anything critical you needed in your home directory LennySabatier ?
[23:37] <Krustyklimber> hey Dr willis how are ya...
[23:37] <LennySabatier> xxen0nxx, i understand exactly what you mean. i can't recover any of my data because of one corrupt file.
[23:38] <xxen0nxx> Lenny there could be a tool on UBCD that could help you
[23:38] <xxen0nxx> not sure tho
[23:38] <LennySabatier> yes. everything is critical. un-backed up pictures. years and years of pictures. the movies i can download again. the music too. but the pictures. years of memories :/
[23:38] <LennySabatier> at this point i'll give anything a try.
[23:38] <reeed> O.O
[23:38] <tyler_d> is there any way to unencrypt your home directory?
[23:39] <xxen0nxx> admins am i alowed to post a link?
[23:39] <LennySabatier> can't i simply replace the corrupt encryption files ? :(
[23:39] <Krustyklimber> when I downloaded 12.10 last night, it never gave me the option to save it to my flash drive... I have since copied it to my flash, but can't seem to get it to install...
[23:39] <dr_willis> this is why you have backups......
[23:39] <dr_willis> Krustyklimber:  copied how? what files are on the flash drive?
[23:39] <[snake]> can I make a live usb of ubuntu 12.04 64 bit while on a live cd ubuntu 10.04 32bit
[23:39] <LennySabatier> i couldn't afford an external hard drive to back up my stuff. ugh !
[23:40] <xxen0nxx> lenny try this
[23:40] <xxen0nxx> http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/
[23:40] <xxen0nxx> otherwise you might have to learn how to hack encrypted volumes XD
[23:40] <dr_willis> LennySabatier:  ubuntu one has 5gb online for free.
[23:40] <xxen0nxx> dropbox is good to
[23:41] <Krustyklimber> I dragged it, from downloads to my flash - the file is named "ubuntu 12.10 - desktop - i386.iso"
[23:41] <dr_willis> every cloud service i install ion my phone wants to save my pics online. ;)
[23:41] <escott> Krustyklimber, that wont work
[23:41] <dr_willis> Krustyklimber:  you totally did it wrong then. ;)
[23:41] <Krustyklimber> awww
[23:41] <LennySabatier> i already purchased a song just so i could get 20 Gb for free until april, i have dropbox, i have box, i have google drive and skydrive. but not enough space to upload all my pictures to any of them.
[23:41] <xxen0nxx> yah  u did XD
[23:42] <Krustyklimber> figures
[23:42] <xxen0nxx> krusty you need to use something like unetbootin to burn the iso to the flashdrive
[23:42] <Krustyklimber> which part did I get wrong... all of it?
[23:42] <LennySabatier> how could i hack my own encryption ?
[23:42] <xxen0nxx> ya
[23:42] <xxen0nxx> lenny
[23:43] <xxen0nxx> ummmm
[23:43] <xxen0nxx> you might have to google around that one
[23:43] <escott> LennySabatier, just read the instructions to mount your ecryptfs partition
[23:43] <xxen0nxx> learn cryptography
[23:43] <xxen0nxx> ^wat escott said
[23:43] <LennySabatier> i read them, for that i need the passphrase, which i don't have.
[23:44] <Krustyklimber> I have no idea what burning it to my flash even means
[23:44] <xxen0nxx> lenny dident you set the password?
[23:44] <escott> LennySabatier, if you dont have your passphrase then you cant read the data
[23:44] <xxen0nxx> wat a sec if you dont have the password
[23:44] <xxen0nxx> try konboot
[23:45] <xxen0nxx> i think thay have a linux build
[23:45] <LennySabatier> the passphrase is different from the log in password.
[23:45] <xxen0nxx> how did u manage to do that O_O
[23:45] <xxen0nxx> hahaha
[23:45] <ScottJensen> xxen0nxx: was it vmalloc or nomodeset?
[23:45] <newb999> hi
[23:46] <xxen0nxx> nomodeset
[23:46] <ScottJensen> that is good
[23:46] <ScottJensen> glad you got it working
[23:46] <newb999> I have a quesion on the Ubuntu 10.04 GUI is this the appropriate place to ask?
[23:46] <jrib> newb999: yes
[23:46] <newb999> thanks
[23:46] <xxen0nxx> Scott: yes thanks :)
[23:47] <newb999> When I mouse over certain things on the panel it pops up a tiny message that describes what the item is for
[23:47] <Gwennifer> Do I really have to just pull a xorg.conf from the internet if I want to modify it?
[23:47] <jrib> Gwennifer: no?
[23:47] <Krustyklimber> any advice on burning to a flash drive would be appreciated
[23:47] <newb999> example: mouse over "applications" and a pop up says "nd install applications"
[23:47] <xxen0nxx> krusty its rly simple
[23:47] <newb999> is it possible to shut those off?
[23:47] <jrib> !enter | newb999
[23:47] <reeed> Krustyklimber: google "unetbootin"
[23:47] <xxen0nxx> just get unetbootin
[23:47] <escott> Krustyklimber, what os are you using
[23:47] <newb999> OK
[23:48] <Krustyklimber> I have 12.04 right now
[23:48] <Krustyklimber> +lts
[23:48] <jrib> Gwennifer: you should read https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config
[23:48] <Gwennifer> How do I generate one, then? I've looked, I don't have a xorg.conf file.
[23:48] <escott> Krustyklimber, usb-creator-gtk
[23:48] <dr_willis> Krustyklimber:  or any of the dozen tools at the pendrivelinux web site
[23:49] <erncic> Krustyklimber: or you can use dd
[23:49] <escott> Gwennifer, why do you want one?
[23:49] <Krustyklimber> I don't understand what any of that means
[23:49] <newb999> I would like to get rid of the pop up descriptions on the Ubuntu 10.04 interface, for example I move my mouse over "applications" on the upper panel and I get a popup describing that button, is it possible to turn this off?
[23:49] <Krustyklimber> I am not a computer guy... maybe I'm beyond help here
[23:50] <dr_willis> Krustyklimber:  i suggest going to the pendrivelinux site and readng some guides
[23:50] <escott> !info usb-creator-gtk | Krustyklimber
[23:50] <dr_willis> you IMAGE the iso to the usb. You dont copy a file.. it has to be done as special way
[23:50] <Gwennifer> I want to be able to use my monitor's native resolution of 1680x1050. The highest I can go is 1024x768. I am using Intel's integrated graphics, G31/G33 chipset
[23:51] <dr_willis> Gwennifer:  the xrandr wiki pages have some info on forceing/adding undetected resolutions
[23:51] <newb999> HUh I would have thought I would get a quick answer to that, funny no one knows the answer
[23:51] <dr_willis> newb999:  answer is. you dont turn them off i imagine.
[23:51] <randomuser34> Hell guys. I was in windows and converted my disk to dynamic on accident. I'm trying to wipe everything now and start fresh. I can't install ubuntu or windows on a dynamic disk...using a ubuntu live cd, how can I change this disk back to basic?
[23:51] <newb999> I find that hard to believe
[23:52] <dr_willis> check askubuntu.com perhaps?
[23:52] <randomuser34> Hello*
[23:52] <newb999> I have done extensive searching
[23:52] <Krustyklimber> I'll try reading pendrivelinux first I guess
[23:52] <newb999> all i get is turnign off messaging pop ups and web pages
[23:52] <newb999> nothign about system pops
[23:52] <newb999> or maybe they aren't called that
[23:52] <dr_willis> ive never noticed any way to do it.  I think the proper term is 'mouseover labels' or somting like that
[23:52] <LennySabatier> I've gotten to a point where the command line is asking me for a cipher
[23:52] <LennySabatier> [aes]
[23:52] <dr_willis> LennySabatier:  it might want your password.
[23:52] <LennySabatier> don't know what it wants from me ?
[23:53] <newb999> dr_willis: since its a virtual machine anytiem one of those is triggered it takes the focus to the VM
[23:53] <escott> LennySabatier, it wants to know what cipher you used.
[23:53] <newb999> off whatever I am doing on the host
[23:53] <newb999> drives me nuts
[23:53] <yugnip> newb999: poke around in dconf, but be careful
[23:53] <newb999> I did
[23:53] <newb999> again if you don't know what they are called
[23:53] <dr_willis> newb999:  im not clear on what popups you mean then.. the mouseover on icons would only affect you when you are mouseing about.
[23:54] <LennySabatier> ok, i've gotten passed that point. i'll let you know where it leads. thanks escott and dr_willis
[23:54] <newb999> you knwo your upper bar on your screen?
[23:54] <erncic> newb999: http://www.question-defense.com/2010/09/25/ubuntu-10-04-disable-popup-description-on-mouse-hover
[23:54] <newb999> generally has the time netwrok etc
[23:54] <newb999> it has a "apllications" menu
[23:54] <escott> LennySabatier, when you first created the encrypted home it created a file you should have backed up somewhere
[23:54] <Ojoloco> ey guys, I'm in a hurry, why I can't move the directory "Banco"? I am the owner :(
[23:54] <newb999> an example would be I move my mouse to click on apps and a little pop up comes up saying "browse and install applications"
[23:54] <Ojoloco> I can do it through shell
[23:55] <Ojoloco> But I can't do it through nautilus
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[23:55] <FloodBot1> shree: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[23:56] <Ojoloco> Why I can't do it, guys?
[23:57] <escott> Ojoloco, not a detailed enough description of the problem to say
[23:57] <newb999> .
[23:57] <newb999> erncic: that's it
[23:57] <newb999> thank you
[23:57] <LennySabatier> I do not recall a file being created upon encryption of my home.
[23:57] <Ojoloco> escott, I can move a dir using my shell, but I can't do it using nautilus
[23:57] <Ojoloco> these are my permissions: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1430836/
[23:57] <Ojoloco> stark is sudoer
[23:57] <Krustyklimber> I went to pendrivelinux and it was only for windows
[23:57] <Krustyklimber> I'm lost
[23:58] <LennySabatier> I have a stupid question. if while mounting the encrypted directory they ask me for the passphrase, i put something, and the steps i'm following keep going. does that mean the passphrase is correct ?
[23:58] <escott> Ojoloco, move where? what bash command works?
[23:58] <escott> LennySabatier, maybe
[23:59] <SunMoonStar> Are there drivers for USB mice? I have a USB mouse i've connected to this old laptop and it only responds to left clicks, not right clicks or middle clicks or scrolling


[00:13] <asac> mozilla bug 462938
[00:14] <asac> [reed]: is there a way i can tell bugzilla to send me new text/* attachments inline?
[00:14] <asac> in the mail?
[00:14] <asac> ;)
[00:14] <asac> would ease screening inflowing patches for sure ;)
[00:18] <[reed]> no, sorry
[00:20] <fta> asac, i should package 1.8.2 asap, seb asked me already
[00:21] <fta> asac, write a script, quite easy
[00:21] <fta> something hooked to procmail
[00:22] <asac> fta: procmail? i just moved all my bug mail to different gmail accounts ;)
[00:22] <asac> in yet another attempt to get a better way to find dupes ;)
[00:22] <fta> i find mutt far better
[00:39] <fta> "Hey! Your copy of SeaMonkey is more than four weeks old" blablabla
[00:39] <fta> Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1b2pre) Gecko/19700101 SeaMonkey/2.0a2pre
[00:39] <fta> damn buildid
[00:41] <mconnor> 19700101?
[00:42] <fta> buildid = 00000000
[00:43] <fta> a typo in my packaging rules :P
[00:44] <mconnor> weak
[00:44] <mconnor> also, seamonkey? ew
[00:44] <mconnor> :)
[00:44] <fta> i do everything moz related
[00:46] <fta> well, maybe not everything, but quite a lot
[09:39] <asac> ola
[09:41] <sebner> asac: jaunty is open :) so let's break stuff with ff 3.1 pre :P
[09:47] <asac> hehe
[09:52] <fta2> maybe not pre, but b2, right?
[09:59] <asac> fta: we can upload 3.1 when ever you want ... just keep the milestone branding
[10:03] <asac> i am burried with stable work for a while
[10:03] <asac> e.g. fixing everythign in NM that came up in the zillion of bugs and also do the next security round
[10:04] <fta2> should I file bugs or something to get the NEW in ? or what?
[10:05] <fta2> meeting time. cu
[10:06] <fta2> gosh, i'm late
[10:06] <gnomefreak> anyone heard of gmx email and is it usable with a main app (thunderbird,claws)?
[10:07] <gnomefreak> asac: repos havent opened for JJ yet afaik unless you are uploading to Intrepid
[10:11] <directhex> jaunty seems no better for me on the "flash not constantly locking up my browser on amd64" front :/
[10:11] <directhex> intrepid, i mean
[10:15] <asac> gnomefreak: it opened yesterday
[10:15] <gnomefreak> oh damn
[10:16] <gnomefreak> i guess its atleast time for a chroot than
[10:16] <directhex> or at least a pbuilder
[10:34]  * gnomefreak keeps getting script error in thunderbird-3.0
[10:34] <gnomefreak> directhex: im not fond of pbuilder
[10:36] <gnomefreak>  60.5 14.1  18:47.86 abrowser-3.1 thats a bit much
[10:46] <gnomefreak> asac: i forgot password for mailing list appoval can you please pm me or email it to me
[10:46] <gnomefreak> asac: nevermind it was a typo
[10:49] <asac> gnomefreak: good ;) ... i dont have it in my head ;)
[10:49] <gnomefreak> :)
[10:50] <gnomefreak> thasts the only issue i have with saving passwords with firefox
[11:02] <asac> gnomefreak: he?
[11:02] <asac> what issue is that?
[11:06] <gnomefreak> that i dont remember them if i reinstall
[11:16] <gnomefreak> asac: i could have sworn that you made changes to use a different icon for sunbird but i cant find a changelog entry for it
[11:16] <gnomefreak> i know if you did make changes for that it didnt work
[11:25] <gnomefreak> ok while im upgrading this box, ill be making coffee and breakfast
[11:50] <asac> err what happened to our bug page?
[11:50] <asac> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/DebuggingFirefoxDevels#Adding%20Debug%20Symbols%20to%20a%20crash%20report
[11:50] <asac> that was considerably redone and everything about -dbgsym and actually the procedure for firefox 3 was dropped
[11:51] <asac> oh ... the right page is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs#Obtain%20a%20backtrace%20from%20an%20apport%20crash%20report%20%28using%20gdb%29
[11:51] <asac> gnomefreak: can you clean that up?
[11:51] <asac> i think the first has to go
[11:51] <asac> its rotten old ;)
[11:52] <gnomefreak> ill look at it after breakfast
[11:52] <armin76> bumb now!
[11:53] <gnomefreak> we shouldnt be using backtrace from apport since LP does that now for us, but let me eat and we can talk about it
[12:05] <asac> gnomefreak: that page needs to be deleted
[12:06] <asac> the Bugs page is the right one
[12:06] <asac> (should be verified that its still ok though)
[12:06] <gnomefreak> delete what page?
[12:07] <gnomefreak> and a link to the new one if you have one
[12:09] <gnomefreak> update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/DebuggingFirefoxDevels#Adding%20Debug%20Symbols%20to%20a%20crash%20report  remove https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MozillaTeam/Bugs#Obtain%20a%20backtrace%20from%20an%20apport%20crash%20report%20%28using%20gdb%29?
[12:21] <asac> fta: we have a SRU candidate for flashplugin-nonfree i think
[12:21] <asac> we need a lower bound on ia32libs on amd64
[12:23] <asac> fta: hmm there aint a depends at all ;)
[12:24] <asac> err why was nspluginwrapper removed from the Recommends?
[12:24] <asac> or didnt i do that at some point :/
[12:25] <asac> dump
[12:25] <asac> my fault i guess
[12:25] <asac> or a race upload ;)
[12:38] <asac> lol https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox-3.0/+bug/187313/comments/120
[12:38] <asac> this guy is just amazing
[12:40] <asac> everytime i forget that he exists a mail pops up and reminds me again ;)
[12:47] <asac> fta: its bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/262974
[12:47] <asac> oop
[12:47] <asac> bug 272314
[12:47] <asac> fta: ^^
[12:47] <asac> :)
[12:47] <asac> that one
[13:17] <fta2> asac, not clear what is from my ppa. flash ? no, intrepid is higher. nss ? probably, i'm higher (but with the soname reverted)
[13:21] <asac> fta2: huh?
[13:21] <asac> fta2: didnt you upload flash?
[13:21] <asac> thought you did but probably that was nspluginwrapper ;)
[13:55] <fta2> asac, i did both but it was just a bump, i didn't change anything else
[13:59] <asac> sure
[17:30] <asac> oh ... just saw that tomorrow my holiday starts
[17:34] <sebner> asac: you and holidays? unbelievable O_o
[17:35] <asac> those are supposed to be my first one this year
[17:35] <asac> was forced on me so i dont need to carry over holiday to next yearh ;)
[17:35] <asac> unfortunately i dont have time for that now ;)
[17:35] <sebner> xD
[17:36] <sebner> asac: well you also can do ubuntu work during your holidays but I strongly recommend to reduce the amount of 3-4 hours a day ^^
[17:37] <asac> 3-4 hours?
[17:37] <asac> mor likely reduce "by 3-4 hours" ;)
[17:38] <sebner> asac: *holidays*
[19:14] <BUGabundo> is the lastest build with private mode already on PPA?
[19:14] <BUGabundo> http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2008/11/meet-firefox-private-mode/
[19:18] <BUGabundo> fta: ping
[19:18] <BUGabundo> asac: ping
[19:42] <asac> no
[19:42] <asac> that landed just a day ago or so i think
[22:21] <fta> hi
[22:21] <fta> asac, holidays ? er, how many days per year do you have? i don't remember..
[22:21]  * fta is already laughing
[23:43] <fta> damn, just fetched xul when it was broken


[09:23] <viks____> hi,  how to upgrade the cloud-init in the image when creating a fresh instance.. i want this to happen before cloud-init user data being run..
[09:57] <meena> viks____: by building a fresh image with an upgraded cloud-init
[10:00] <viks____> meena: thanks... but is there any other way like say if a user uploads an image to my image repo, i want to make sure that a required version of cloud-init say 19.3 is present when an instance is created out of it
[10:06] <meena> you could possibly add scripts to vendor-data far far either check the version and error out, or very hackishly try to update cloud-init. however, vendor-data can be overwritten by user-data… so, if your horrible hackishly scripts don't work, your users will circumvent them
[11:45] <viks____> meena: ok.. thnx
[13:04] <Odd_Bloke> viks____: If you want cloud-init upgraded before cloud-init runs, then you can't use cloud-init to do it.  And if you don't have a way of modifying the image before it launches (either to upgrade cloud-init, or to add some pre-cloud-init systemd unit that attempts something similar on boot), then I don't think there is a good way of doing it.
[13:04] <Odd_Bloke> viks____: What is it that drives the minimum requirement?
[13:13] <viks____> Odd_Bloke: Ok.. thanks.. actually i was trying to inject root password via cloud-init for debian9 i.e. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/openstack/current-9/debian-9-openstack-amd64.qcow2  for my local test openstack cluster. it seems the above image has old cloud-init and it seems that is the reason cloud-init is not able to set root password given via user-data.
[13:13] <viks____> so in case if any user tries to upload the image from the above link and tries to create instance, root password injection will not work via cloud init. So i wanted to know if there is any standard way this can be upgraded to a give cloud init version
[13:16] <viks____> i even tried to install manually by cloning cloud-init repo in the instance created from the above link(debian9), but installation is not successful. Also i do not find any pip packages or any prebuilt  package for debian 9
[13:51] <Odd_Bloke> viks____: Hmm, that sounds like something that I would expect to work even on an older version of cloud-init.  What does your user-data look like?
[13:52] <viks____> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/2k5X0RpZ/
[13:53] <viks____> which works fine on debian10 based instance
[13:55] <viks____> Also i see the discussion abt the version issue here: https://forum.proxmox.com/threads/change-password-cloud-init-does-not-work.46118/
[13:57] <Odd_Bloke> viks____: Hmm, I _would_ expect that to work on an older version of cloud-init.  Could you pastebin /var/log/cloud-init.log from a failing instance (if you have some other way of gaining access)?
[13:59] <riccardom> Ciao, I'm new to the technology, and trying to understand. I see that cloud-init is strongly bound to systemd
[14:00] <riccardom> Is the implementation dependant on systemd?
[14:02] <viks____> Odd_Bloke: here it is: http://paste.openstack.org/show/797330/.. i do not see any error in this
[14:04] <viks____> i'm facing this only in debian9. most of other distributions and their versions it works fine
[14:08] <Odd_Bloke> riccardom: cloud-init is involved in setting things up during the boot process (generally in four different stages: https://cloudinit.readthedocs.io/en/latest/topics/boot.html), so it has to be well-integrated with the init system.  However, it doesn't have to be systemd: we have upstart scripts in the upstream tree, and I believe Alpine uses OpenRC.
[14:09] <Odd_Bloke> One caveat: the "Generator" stage in that link is systemd-only, as it relies on systemd's generator functionality (which allows us to enable/disable services at boot time, so cloud-init won't run when it isn't needed).
[14:12] <Odd_Bloke> viks____: From that log, it looks like cc_set_passwords never runs.  Can you paste /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg, please?
[14:15] <viks____> Odd_Bloke:  here it is -> http://paste.openstack.org/show/797331/
[14:17] <Odd_Bloke> viks____: Hmm, it is in there.  Looking back at the log, it appears to be truncated, is that really the full file?
[14:17] <viks____> yes
[14:19] <viks____> wait.. it seems to be getting trucated..
[14:20] <viks____> here is the remaining part -> http://paste.openstack.org/show/797334/
[14:36] <Odd_Bloke> viks____: Hmm, looks like it has worked.  Can you confirm for me how you're testing that it hasn't worked?  (Does the password work locally but not via SSH, for example?)
[14:48] <viks____> i try to login via console on openstack horizon dashboard which fails... not ssh... i also cross verified the encrypted password in userdata with the password in shadow file which are not same
[15:00] <Odd_Bloke> viks____: What user are you trying to login as?
[15:01] <Odd_Bloke> Because your cloud.cfg has things configured such that the default user will be `ubuntu` (so I would expect the password to be set on `ubuntu`, not on `root`).
[15:33] <viks____> Odd_Bloke: Oh i see... let me try changing that in the image and create an instance.. will let you know..
[15:35] <viks____> Odd_Bloke:  but we are setting it for root right as in userdata file... also even in debian10, i see debian as default user in cloud.cfg:
[15:35] <viks____> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/AcL0ZSuT/
[15:36] <viks____> but root password works there
[15:40] <viks____> it seems cloud.cfg got changed when i tried to upgrade the version manually in instance... in original image it's indeed debian: http://paste.openstack.org/show/797342/
[16:03] <viks____> also on the debian 9 instance:
[16:03] <viks____> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/JSdKixBo/
[16:03] <viks____> whereas on debian10 instance:
[16:03] <viks____> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/GW6ivhw5/
[16:58] <meena> Good grief
[18:15] <apatt> Hello everyone :-)  Hoping someone can tell me if what I want to do is possible.
[18:15] <apatt> I'm trying to create a linux image that works across multiple server vendors. I've got a base cloud-init setup working great that uses the NoCloud provider and pulls a config from a web server. That all works great.
[18:16] <Odd_Bloke> viks____: Hmm, I'm not 100% sure we've seen a good test with Debian 9 if you'd tried to fix the instance yourself before capturing logs etc.; would you be able to spin up a clean one and recapture stuff?  (If it's easier, you can push the tarball that `cloud-init collect-logs` generates.)
[18:16] <apatt> However, when I push my linux image to another server that has different network interface names that doesn't work so well since my netplan configuration is in the user-data file out on the network.
[18:17] <apatt> So I was curious if its possible to have a local user-data file that gets the network up and then have it pull the user-data information from the network share to finish up customization
[18:17] <apatt> I hate baking everything into the image since I have to respin the image just to change simple things
[18:19] <Odd_Bloke> apatt: netplan supports matching interfaces; would using that allow you to share your network configuration across servers?
[18:19] <Odd_Bloke> Or are the network configurations for each instance very different?
[18:20] <apatt> it does, but if the netplan information is in the user-data located on the network.... so if the target server has different network interface names the network does not come up at boot so we can't reach the network to tell us what our network configuration should be ;-)
[18:21] <Odd_Bloke> apatt: Are you using DHCP?
[18:21] <apatt> YEs
[18:21] <apatt> write_files:- path: /etc/netplan/50-cloud-init.yaml  content: |    network:     version: 2     ethernets:       id0:         match:           name: eno1*         dhcp4: trueruncmd:- netplan --debug apply
[18:21] <apatt> well that didn't format so well
[18:21] <Odd_Bloke> I got the gist. :)
[18:22] <Odd_Bloke> (But in future multiline stuff would be better in a pastebin like https://paste.ubuntu.com/ :)
[18:22] <Odd_Bloke> apatt: So I would expect that cloud-init should be able to perform DHCP and reach your NoCloud endpoint without you providing any network configuration, either in the image or via user-data.
[18:23] <apatt> At least on Ubuntu it doesn't seem to work that way
[18:24] <apatt> unless I'm just horribly ignorant of how netplan deals with new interface names
[18:25] <Folamh> Hi I've come across an issue with an issue with cc_package_update_upgrade_install.py on arch distributions. It passes "upgrade" to arch.py which would create the command "pacman -Sy --quiet --noconfirm upgrade" which should actually be "pacman -Syu --quiet --noconfirm" or "pacman -Sy --quiet --noconfirm -u". What should I do to get this addressed?
[18:26] <blackboxsw> Folamh: probably file a bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/cloud-init/+filebug with details
[18:26] <Folamh> (y)
[18:27] <blackboxsw> and new contributions via pushing a PR up to https://github.com/canonical/cloud-init/ also encouraged
[18:27] <Odd_Bloke> apatt: Apologies, NoCloud doesn't actually behave in the way I was thinking of; it's datasource-specific.
[18:28] <apatt> It's not the end of the world if that just isn't possible, it just means I put some basic network information into a local user-data seed and then do everything else with Ansible once the host is up and on the network.
[18:29] <apatt> and give up on using a user-data config from a http share
[18:30] <Odd_Bloke> apatt: How are you specifying where to seed from?
[18:31] <apatt> Odd_Bloke specifying a NoCloud datasource cloud.cfg
[18:33] <apatt> Odd_Bloke what I may end up doing is writing out a netplan config that brings up the local adapters by matching everything (en*) and then pulling in the new netplan information once it boots. That would elongate the boot however, since Linux is going to try and bring up all six ethernet adapters I have in my servers. Only two of them are plugged in
[18:33] <apatt> so we pause quite a while.
[18:34] <apatt> Not sure if that would get me into any timeout issues
[18:38] <Odd_Bloke> apatt: Would you be able to gather logs from an instance which doesn't have local netplan configuration but does have your cloud.cfg?  I'd like to see what's going on.
[18:40] <Odd_Bloke> (A pastebin of cloud-init.log would be a good starting point. :)
[18:40] <apatt> Odd_Bloke I'm fairly confident that the issue is that my user-data contains this text: https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/xhVXVDbZPZ/
[18:42] <apatt> but before running cloud-init the local machine only has this https://paste.ubuntu.com/p/Dxg6n9pqzH/
[18:45] <smoser> apatt: write_files attempting to write that is not really going to work.
[18:46] <smoser> by the time cloud-init writes files, networking is already up based on what it declared. and then... runcmd of 'netplan --debug apply', maybe that would do what you wanted.
[18:46] <smoser> but, yuck.
[18:48] <apatt> smoser I agree it's not optimal, but best I could come up with. All ears if you have a better alternative.
[18:49] <smoser> apatt: what i think you want to do is provide network config in the nocloud seed (i suspect that is what you mean by nocloud data)
[18:50] <apatt> correct
[18:51] <smoser> https://asciinema.org/a/145772
[18:51] <smoser> https://asciinema.org/a/145772
[18:52] <apatt> smoser thanks, will take a look.
[18:52] <smoser> i think it would work to #include a url from the user-data you provided.
[18:53] <smoser> or maybe use seed-from
[18:53] <smoser> but i'm not sure if that would work or not.
[18:54] <smoser> if you just #include the userdata, then you're going to have to hard-code the instance-id
[18:54] <smoser> and then its always going to be the same instance
[18:58] <apatt> Since I'm using bare metal servers I'm not sure that is going to work for me since it requires using a disk image attached to the VM.
[18:58] <apatt> After talking to you and Odd_Bloke I think I have an idea of how to make it work though
[19:08] <Odd_Bloke> apatt: Let us know how you get on! :)
[20:16] <Odd_Bloke> smoser: So as I'm working through these manual_cache_clean docs, my initial feeling is that exposing "trust" and "check" as values for a new configuration option would be a good step forward.  This would allow us to introduce other modes; the first that occurs to me is, say, "check_failsafe" which would behave as "check" does _unless_ we fail to determine the current instance ID, in which case it behaves
[20:16] <Odd_Bloke> as "trust" does.  I think this would be a best effort solution to bug 1885527; if there's an IMDS outage then you can't launch new instances, but your existing instances aren't trampled (and when there isn't an IMDS outage, you can launch instances from captured images; "trust" would prohibit this).
[20:17] <Odd_Bloke> I don't think that's a short-term thing at all, I'm more curious as to what you think of it as an idea.
[20:18] <Odd_Bloke> (s/you can't launch/you won't successfully launch/)
[21:05] <smoser> Odd_Bloke:i'm not sure i understand.
[21:08] <smoser> yeah, i dont think you ever really want what you're after.
[21:08] <smoser> either
[21:09] <smoser> a.) trust the cache completely (manual_cache_clean=true)
[21:09] <smoser> b.) check it.
[21:09] <smoser> doing
[21:10] <smoser> c.) check it, but if that check failed, then use it.
[21:10] <smoser> b.) was 'check it, and if it is good use it'
[21:12] <smoser> i dont know. i think it generally does work correctly as it is.
[21:12] <smoser> (if it in fact works the way i described it is supposed to)
[21:13] <smoser> if you wanted to change something, then the easiest thing to change, and probably the least surprising to the end user (or at least the flurry of end-users that have come along recently) is to always trust the cache.
[21:13] <smoser> and just throw away the "rebundle without clean" use case.
[21:14] <smoser> and just document that if the user wants to take a snapshot, they have to run 'cloud-init clean'


[05:03] <kermit> where's the notice that this channel is being logged publicly?
[05:04] <kermit>  We would like to remind
[05:04] <kermit> - you that unauthorized public logging of channels on the
[05:04] <kermit> - network is prohibited. Public channel logging should only
[05:04] <kermit> - take place where the channel owner(s) has requested this
[05:04] <kermit> - and users of the channel are all made aware (if you are
[05:04] <kermit> - publically logging your channel, you may wish to keep a
[05:04] <kermit> - notice in topic and perhaps as a on-join message).
[06:24] <tonyyarusso> Users should be aware that IRC is logged, just by nature.  We don't need to cave to emma's demands here.
[06:25] <kermit> emma influenced that policy??
[06:25] <kermit> its a freenode policy now, anyway, so you do have to cave
[06:26] <kermit> that paste is from the MOTD
[06:26] <tonyyarusso> yeah....spent plenty of time annoying the hell out of everyone for it too.
[06:26] <tonyyarusso> "you may wish to" doesn't sound like "have to" to me.
[06:27] <kermit> "and users of the channel are all made aware" is before the 'you may wish to'
[06:27] <tonyyarusso> Hey users, there's bot in /names with "log" in it's nick.  Do the math.
[06:27] <tonyyarusso> There.
[06:28] <kermit> unless thats on a timer, thats not adhering to the policy
[06:29] <tonyyarusso> We're not going to spam people pointlessly.
[06:29] <kermit> i agree, a timer would be a bad approach
[06:29] <kermit> the suggestions in the MOTD would be better
[06:29] <kermit> (that i pasted above)
[06:29] <tonyyarusso> Those are all just as annoying.
[06:30] <tonyyarusso> If anyone asks, just /msg ubottu logs
[06:30] <tonyyarusso> although we're actually in the former link currently.
[06:31] <kermit> what link?
[06:31] <tonyyarusso> in the factoid
[06:32] <kermit> what factoid?
[06:33] <tonyyarusso> See 00:30:34


[15:06] <schopin> locutusofborg:: I've never dealt with the haskell toolchain so far, are there outsized consequences to uploading a new ghc with a new patch? See bug 2052696
[15:06] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 2052696 in linux (Ubuntu) "[UBUNTU 24.04] Haskell LLVM Backend: Objects of data section are missing alignment" [Undecided, New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2052696
[15:35] <locutusofborg> schopin, "it depends" :)
[15:35] <locutusofborg> schopin, I have an idea
[15:35] <schopin> locutusofborg: "it's just one line, what could possibly go wrong?"
[15:35] <locutusofborg> Upload in Debian, ask v_orlon to blacklist ghc autosync
[15:36] <locutusofborg> and then check what happens in Debian :)
[15:36] <locutusofborg> I asked in debian-haskell
[16:32] <Eickmeyer> ubuntu-backports (ddstreet, mapreri, teward): Couldn't ping you all on #ubuntu-release, so you all get pinged here. I've had an update sitting in the queue for 3 weeks, and I know you've all been busy, but could one of you check it out? bug 2049779
[16:32] -ubottu:#ubuntu-devel- Bug 2049779 in carla (Ubuntu Jammy) "[BPO] carla/2.5.8-0ubuntu1 from noble" [Undecided, In Progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/2049779
[16:32] <sergiodj> @pilot in
[19:52] <UnivrslSuprBox> Noticing that nodejs in noble has been blocked for an awfully long time... Anything I could do to help make it transition-ready?
[20:08] <sergiodj> UnivrslSuprBox: hey, thanks for offering help. I'd start by looking at the test failures listed at https://ubuntu-archive-team.ubuntu.com/proposed-migration/update_excuses.html#nodejs and seeing which ones seem real problems (as opposed to flaky results) that need some investigation
[20:19] <tsimonq2> UnivrslSuprBox: I'd be happy to sponsor patches for a fellow Wisconsinite ;)
[20:35] <sergiodj> pilot out
[20:35] <sergiodj> @pilot out
[20:59] <bdmurray> Why don't I see 2.1.5-2 here? https://ci.debian.net/packages/p/pygrib/