[00:00] <mory> not a big windows full of text
[00:00] <jmichaelx> mory: you can still install unofficial songbird builds. i think getdeb has the binaries
[00:00] <mory> just for 32 bit
[00:00] <mory> i'm on 64bit os
[00:00] <jmichaelx> mory: i am still a huges fan of XMMS
[00:00] <mory> xmms?
[00:01] <jmichaelx> mory: can the 32-bit build not be made to run on a 64-bit installation?
[00:01] <jmichaelx> mory: xmms  is/was an old winamp-like media player
[00:01] <mory> i don't know in windows you could use but i'm new to linux
[00:01] <jmichaelx> debian & ubuntu     dropped it several years ago
[00:01] <mory> old you mean deadright now?
[00:02] <jmichaelx> mory: yes, it is no longer being maintained
[00:02] <mr-rich> How do I get a screen shot of just one window on the desktop? I used to know how to do this ...
[00:03] <yofel> press printscr or run ksnapshot
[00:04] <yofel> then select window under cursor and make a new snapshot
[00:04] <jmichaelx> mory: if you like something skinny and fast, why in the world do you want sonbird? that thing is huge and laggy
[00:04] <mory> yea but better than amarok!!
[00:04] <jmichaelx> mory: you could try qmmp or audacious
[00:05] <mory> i want to uninstall all of default bloatwares in kubuntu
[00:05] <mory> badly
[00:05] <jmichaelx> mory: to each his own, but amarok is my favorite music player of all times (tied with xmms)
[00:05] <jmichaelx> mory: would you be interested in a command line player?
[00:06] <mory> maybe i should back to use windows :/
[00:06] <mory> damn , hate commad line
[00:06] <jmichaelx> mory: suit yourself
[00:06] <mory> just gui apps
[00:07] <jmichaelx> each person is different... i love amarok and do not like songbird
[00:07] <jmichaelx> and mostly use a command line music player
[00:07] <raindog> mory:  xmms2
[00:07] <mory> commadline = no fun
[00:07] <kinta> mory: vlc
[00:08] <mory> that isn't music player :>
[00:08] <jmichaelx> commandline = where mos of the fun is at
[00:08] <jmichaelx> most* :-D
[00:08] <mory> this is why you are linuxuser
[00:08] <jmichaelx> mory: try qmmp
[00:08] <mory> no thanks ;__;
[00:09] <jmichaelx> have you looked at qmmp?
[00:09] <jmichaelx> it is a nice small player, using qt
[00:10] <jmichaelx> mory: qmmp can use winamp skinsss (at least some of them)
[00:10] <mory> i'll look
[00:10] <kinta> vlc is not a music player? For me if something plays music then is a music player :)
[00:12] <mory> then 3dsmax is a music player too
[00:13] <kinta> not for me
[00:13] <mory> not for anyone
[00:14] <jmichaelx> mory: there are so many music players to choose from in linux, that something is wrong if you cannot find a few that you like
[00:16] <mory> time to install wine
[00:16] <jmichaelx> lol
[00:41] <raevin> anyone know of a good foreign input program (scim??)...wanting to type japanese with an american standard keybard
[00:41] <raevin> *keyboard
[01:38] <user69> hi
[01:38] <user69> I installed apache, how can I make it not start on kubuntu start?
[01:48] <sythe> Hello
[01:48] <sythe> Where are the 4.7 packs for Maverick?
[01:48] <sythe> (backports)
[01:50] <rww> sythe: As I understand it, the thought is that if you don't want LTS (lucid) and do want shiny new things (4.7), you're probably on natty, and there wasn't space in the PPA so things like maverick had to go.
[01:50] <sythe> Ugh
[01:50] <sythe> That sucks
[01:50] <sythe> :(
[01:50] <FloodBotK2> sythe: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[01:51] <sythe> Heh...I'm guilty of using enter as punctuation...(sorry)
[01:51] <rww> (I am not a Kubuntu developer, but I do spy on Kubuntu developers, so that's second-hand information ;)
[01:51] <sythe> So, KDE 4.7 is available for Lucid, eh?
[01:52] <sythe> Should I downgrade, then?
[01:53] <rww> looks like lucid only has 4.5, actually :|
[01:56] <sythe> Ouch
[01:56] <sythe> I'm using 4.6 on Maverick, ATM... Is 4.7 stable on Oneiric?
[01:57] <rww> oneiric isn't stable at all
[01:57] <rww> it's only an alpha, and it acts like it :P
[01:58] <sythe> I see
[01:59] <sythe> But...isn't the base stable? So KDE wouldn't crash constantly?
[02:00] <rww> KDE might be stable, but if you put some bricks on top of a pile of sand, the bricks don't do too well anyway
[02:00] <sythe> Not that I want to upgrade.... Last time I tried to go from KDE 4.3 on Lucid, to KDE 4.4 on Lucid, the Kubuntu devs forgot to include Plasma in the repos
[02:00] <sythe> So...it epic failed...and I lost my DE
[02:00] <rww> personally, I'm on 4.6 on natty and plan on staying there ;)
[02:02] <sythe> But...4.7!!!  It's sooo cool!
[02:02] <sythe> K...which is more stable, Debian Testing, Chakra, or Arch?
[02:04] <rww> chakra and arch are rolling release and thus fail at being stable imho, Debian Testing only has 4.6 so what's the point?
[02:25] <jmichaelx> i just decided once more to give kopete a shot. unless i am missing something, that has got to be the most awful instant messaging client i've ever attempted to use
[02:53] <sythe> lol
[02:53] <sythe> +1
[02:54] <hp_> hola
[02:54] <hp_> alguien sabe porque mi kubuntu hace sonidos extranos con los speaker ?
[03:03] <zeng> d
[03:04] <zeng> 有人吗
[03:04] <zeng> join
[03:06] <benonsoftware> Shouldn't the Kubuntu Dev LP team be a member of Kubuntu Members too?
[03:10] <lcb> hi ppl
[03:12] <lcb> any suggestion of a good program to recover a folder?
[03:41] <redeyyez> which theme or settings control the widget appearance, i loved the way that my widgets looked, now ive done something to them i guess they look different and i can't seem to get them to appear the same as they had in the past
[03:46] <redeyyez> no one?
[03:49] <rbetzen> system settings > workspace appearance > desktop theme
[03:51] <redeyyez> the desktop theme changes widget appearance?
[03:52] <redeyyez> tried that do i have to log out and back in for them the changes to take affect?
[03:54] <redeyyez> changing desktop themes seems to have very little effect on the widget appearance
[03:54] <rbetzen> No.  You should only have to press the "apply" button at the bottom right of the window.
[03:55] <rbetzen> Are you speaking of things like the clock, weather applets, etc, or are you referring to the window decorations?
[03:55] <redeyyez> this is retarded, when i use the folder view wideget for example now it shows one big ass home view folder only, previously for example it was a little window that showed all my folders that are under the HOME directory
[03:56] <redeyyez> not just a giant home icon
[03:57] <rbetzen> Hmmm.... never used the folder view widget.  I'd have to look into it.  From what I've heard of how it works, you'd need to configure it to point to the folder you want it to display.
[03:58] <redeyyez> only option or setting are the same common ones for all widgets really which doin't gi ve you much in the way of options to change its appearance
[03:58] <redeyyez> it does let me resize set shortcuts and share i ton the network
[04:00] <rbetzen> give me just a sec.  adding folder view crashed plasma for some reason. sorry.
[04:00] <redeyyez> oh no worries
[04:01] <redeyyez> if you can help me figure out what happened to my widgets appearance i'd be forever greatful.
[04:02] <rbetzen> my copy of folder view gives me a text box to enter a path to any folder I choose to display.  is that not the behavior you're looking for?
[04:03] <redeyyez> mine doesn't do that
[04:03] <rbetzen> what version of kde are you using?
[04:03] <redeyyez> it may have when i first set it up a month ago, but no longer does that
[04:03] <redeyyez> how do i check that
[04:03] <rbetzen> go to any native kde application, click on help > about kde
[04:05] <redeyyez> 4.6.2
[04:06] <rbetzen> Ok. I'm on the same  version.
[04:06] <redeyyez> wish i could send on irc i would send you a screen shot of what it used to look like and now
[04:07] <rbetzen> Let's see.... How are you getting to the configuration for folder view?
[04:07] <redeyyez> draggin and dropping it from the add widget bar
[04:07] <rww> !imagebin
[04:08] <rbetzen> Ok. When you hover your mouse over the folder view widget, do you see a lttle tab pop out the side?  If so, click on the wrench icon.
[04:09] <redeyyez> http://imagebin.org/165604
[04:09] <redeyyez> yes, ive clicked on the wrench and checked those settings
[04:11] <rbetzen> good.  under "Location", I see three choices (radio buttons) in the configuration dialog.  These are "Show the Desktop folder, "Show a place", and "Specify a folder".  You don't have these?
[04:11] <redeyyez> http://imagebin.org/165605
[04:12] <rbetzen> looking at your screenshot now...
[04:12] <redeyyez> yes i get options like that
[04:13] <rbetzen> Ok.  If I understand correctly, you want folder view to show a different folder than the one currently displayed, right?
[04:13] <redeyyez> no, that's not really correct, do you see the appearance of the widgets in the frist shot?
[04:14] <redeyyez> now look what folder view and Harddisk looks like in the second one.
[04:14] <redeyyez> major difference
[04:14] <rww> well that's a bit bigger.
[04:16] <redeyyez> resizing it doesn't affect the contents or layout.
[04:17] <redeyyez> just makes that big ass folder icon smaller/larger
[04:17] <rbetzen> Ok. Trying to solve the wrong problem.  Nice desktop BTW.   Give me a couple of minutes while I check on a couple of things.
[04:17] <redeyyez> rbetzen, yes it was, thank you.
[04:18] <redeyyez> the network monitor, folder view, and Hardisk widget just wacked out on me.
[04:20] <redeyyez> ive changed window decorations, and desktop themes in effort to fix this nothing seems to truely changed the actual content of the widget
[04:22] <rbetzen> ok.  let's check this.  right click on your desktop then click on desktop settings.  Under "View" you should have an option called "layout".  It should be on "folder view".
[04:24] <redeyyez> ive had that set to Desktop view. when i change that option to folder view it blows up the screen and splits it.
[04:25] <redeyyez> left pane appears to be the Folder View widget blown up
[04:26] <redeyyez> http://imagebin.org/165606
[04:26] <redeyyez> here
[04:26] <redeyyez> that's what it does if i set that option to folder view
[04:28] <rbetzen> Can you switch back to "desktop" and see what happens?
[04:28] <redeyyez> sure
[04:28] <redeyyez> just did
[04:28] <rbetzen> any change?
[04:30] <redeyyez> yes sorry bout to post link
[04:31] <redeyyez> http://imagebin.org/165609
[04:35] <rbetzen> Sorry.  Wife needed my attention.
[04:36] <redeyyez> your good im very much in need of the help been frustrated with this for 2 days now, thanks sir.
[04:37] <rbetzen> Have you tried removing and re-adding the widgets, and restarting your computer?
[04:37] <redeyyez> yes, both.
[04:37] <redeyyez> oh i delete them many times can't stand to look at them now.
[04:38] <redeyyez> im currently trying to create the widget in the default panel and maybe remove it from there to the desktop to see if this effects the contents tha tway
[04:39] <rbetzen> Alright.   I'm thinking of doing a little experiment.  Let me know if you have the patience for it.  That would be adding another user account and adding the same widgets to it.  If the widgets behave properly in the new user account, we can look into maybe renaming the .kde folder.
[04:39] <redeyyez> this is  not helping i can't get them to "tear" off the panel to the desktoip
[04:40] <rbetzen> This really is only good if you're willing to reconfigure your personal settings from scratch again.
[04:40] <redeyyez> sure i can do that.
[04:42] <Linkmaster> I'm trying to upgrade to KDE4.7, and am using muon. The installing of new packages is stuck at 69%, and says "installed kdoctools" and nothing has happened for at least 30 minutes that I can see, the best I see is that its been stuck this way for hours, I needed to step out earlier, and I left the upgrade to finish itself up. I have no power managment enabled, so I know thats not a problem
[04:44] <rbetzen> Let me know how it goes..... I may have to log out for a few minutes.  That plasma crash has caused a few annoying problems on my end.  I'll be right back.
[04:47] <redeyyez> well i created a new user and logged in. that made the widgets appear correctly again
[04:51] <redeyyez> is there a way to fix this account, or am i going to have to delete it and recreate it?
[04:54] <rbetzen> Well, you could rename .kde to something like .oldkde then log out and back in again.  This will keep your user account but you would have to re-customize your desktop from the ground up again.  If that's not something you're willing to do, you could poke around in the .kde directory and find the configuration files for your widgets and try renaming or moving them so that the widgets would regenerate a new config file.
[04:58] <rbetzen> redeyyez, are you familiar with where the .kde folder is?
[05:01] <redeyyez> no really not.
[05:05] <rbetzen> ok.  the .kde folder is in your home folder.  since the name begins with a period, it will be hidden by default.  you could open dolphin set it to view hidden files and then rename the folder.  if you do this, log out, and then back in again, you will have the default kde desktop again.  Just set up your wallpaper and widgets the way you want them again.
[05:08] <redeyyez> loggin out and back in again now
[05:08] <rbetzen> ok.  I'll be here.
[05:16] <Linkmaster> Anyone?
[05:45] <Zfax3> Question: I setup my desktop with a bunch of icons, then I clicked on that activity manager thing and all of the original icons are gone.  How do I go back to my original desktop and NOT use the activity manager thing
[05:50] <rbetzen> reddeyez, it's 1am where i'm at. going to bed. hope everything went well....
[05:56] <girl> how do I install kivio in natty can't find in in repos http://www.koffice.org/kivio/
[05:58] <girl> anyone?
[05:58] <Zfax3> people busy I think - asked a question and no luck so ya might have to wait a few
[05:58] <girl> hmm
[05:59] <girl> Zfax3: Ok
[05:59] <Zfax3> dont suppose you know how to stop the activities desktop from covering up the normal desktop
[05:59] <girl> zfax3: Which version of KDE?
[06:00] <Zfax3> uhhh, heh, the latest? :|
[06:00] <Zfax3> Im not too sure - kinda experimenting with this
[06:00] <girl> zfax3: Please check Open Dolphin and on the menu Help> About KDE
[06:00] <Zfax3> ok
[06:01] <Zfax3> KDE - Be Free!
[06:01] <Zfax3> Platform Version 4.7.00 (4.7.0)
[06:01] <Zfax3> is that the right answer
[06:02] <Zfax3> I think it is 11.04 or something like that, but not 100% sure
[06:03] <girl_> zfax3: Sorry connection dropped which version?
[06:03] <rww> girl_: 4.7 on natty
[06:03] <Zfax3> I think 4.7.00 (4.7.0)
[06:04] <girl_> zfax3: I have the same version and am unable to reproduce this, what do you mean by covering desktop screenshot please
[06:04] <Zfax3> Question: I setup my desktop with a bunch of icons, then I clicked on that activity manager thing and all of the original icons are gone.  How do I go back to my original desktop and NOT use the activity manager thing
[06:04] <Zfax3> that is the best that I can explain it
[06:04] <girl_> ok
[06:05] <girl_> on top right there is a button activities
[06:05] <girl_> click it
[06:05] <Zfax3> ok
[06:05] <Zfax3> I did and it said something about adding a panel and all
[06:06] <girl_> then click activities
[06:06] <Zfax3> ok
[06:06] <girl_> press the stop button on the icon of the activity you just made
[06:06] <Zfax3> I get a bar along the bottom
[06:06] <Zfax3> ahhh
[06:06] <girl_> then press delete
[06:07] <girl_> gone?
[06:07] <girl_> Anyone knows how to install kivio on Kubuntu Natty?
[06:07] <araxes> sorry -
[06:07] <araxes> thank you
[06:08] <girl_> No problem
[06:08] <girl_> axraxes: Yo're welcome
[06:10] <ZFax3> girl: thanks that worked like a champ - mucho gracias
[06:10] <girl_> Zfax3: You're welcome
[06:13] <girl_> Zfax3: You upgraded yesterday from a previous release of KDE?
[06:13] <ZFax3> wow my computer has that many security holes - how did you know that?
[06:13] <ZFax3> hahah, that is just too funny - well or scary
[06:14] <girl_> Zfax3: It was packaged yesterday ! for backports
[06:14] <ZFax3> ohhh, yes I upgraded yesterday
[06:14] <girl_> Zfax3: Upgrade went smoothly?
[06:16] <ZFax3> yea - actually it went really well.  the only problem I have really encountered since loading this is: when I have a button in a dialog box highlighted, the title bar to the active window flashes with icons that are not located anywhere on any desktop.  For example from this I learned about ksudo or something named similar to that
[06:16] <girl_> Zfax3: What GPU do you use?
[06:16] <ZFax3> Overall - it was by far one of the best installs I have seen in a long long time
[06:17] <ZFax3> I have a NVidia chipset -
[06:17] <ZFax3> inside a laptop - I cannot think of the actual model, but I do know it is NOT dedicated ram
[06:18] <girl_> Zfax3: If it is NVidia there is a glitch with drawing elements in the wrong place in older drivers
[06:18] <ZFax3> it just told me that I am not using the NVidia Chipset
[06:19] <ZFax3> I have not seen an operating system yet that has not had some kind of issue with this video card / chipset
[06:19] <ZFax3> do you code for kubuntu
[06:19] <girl_> Zfax3: Kde 4.7 uses new rendering backend that have not been previously tested so you wouldn't know that
[06:20] <girl_> Zfax3: I used to
[06:20] <ZFax3> ok kewl
[06:21] <girl_> Does anyone know how to install kivio in natty ?
[06:26] <redeyyez> damn it!!! just the fella i was coming to see.
[06:28] <girl_> By any chance no one knows how to install kivio (diagram/flowchart software) in natty. It is the only part of koffice missing in repos.
[06:29] <girl_> Anyone????
[06:30] <girl_> hmm I'll try #ubuntu
[06:32] <raindog> girl:  From Koffice.org "Note: 2.x series do not include Kivio yet, if you want to use Kivio you will need to stick with 1.6.x series."
[06:32] <ZFax3> it is not listed on the koffice page as part of koffice suite - yet on another page it is
[06:38] <Linkmaster> girl_: http://www.koffice.org/ lists on their webpage about kivio, it doesn't say whether its included in 'apt-get install koffice', though it might be. I help on and off with koffice devel team, but I havent heard of it being denied or included
[06:38] <rww> it's not
[06:38] <girl_> Linkmaster: kivio has not qt3 port
[06:39] <redeyyez> rww that was you earlier that guided me to use image bin thanks man.
[06:39] <rww> redeyyez: welcome
[06:40] <girl_> anyways got to go
[06:40] <ZFax3> thanks
[06:40] <ZFax3> for the help
[07:03] <ldp> How safe is it to use btrfs?
[07:03] <redeyyez> rbetzen, welcome back, thanks for the help earlier, that did fix it all and a couple other little quirky things, took me a while to get the machine back on the network, several things were affected by doing that.
[07:03] <redeyyez> Thank you.
[07:04] <rbetzen> Hopefully it wasn't too painful, and I'm glad everythings working now.
[07:05] <ldp> Well I think I'll install btrfs :)
[07:06] <redeyyez> no it was worth it, i must admit i was cursing you for a bit when i had to restart the machine a couple times to get all the kinks out
[07:07] <Linkmaster> I accidentally turned off the menubars in Okular, and without the menubars to turn them back on, Im in a jam. Sort of a 'Catch 22' if you will. How do I get them back?
[07:07] <rbetzen> Linkmaster, ctrl + m
[07:07] <Linkmaster> rbetzen: thank you
[07:08] <rbetzen> redeyyez, I'm glad I could help.
[07:11] <redeyyez> its people like yourself that have kept me pushing on to migrate away from m$
[07:25] <Linkmaster> I know how to see when a document was modified, but how do you know when its created?
[07:26] <ldp> Well, I'm on with btrfs.
[07:26] <ldp> Wish me luck
[07:26] <chpadhi> where to find the settings for login to kubuntu
[07:26] <ldp> chpadhi: system settings
[07:27] <chpadhi> i want to it should not ask for password during startup
[07:47] <fanel> hello everybody.Please tell me how to install adobe flash player on ubuntu 8.04.Any advice?Thanks...
[08:47] <sinclair> does anyone have same problems as me with 4.7 upgrade in Natty? 79 packs to be removed??
[08:47] <sinclair> among them Akregator...
[08:48] <bigbrovar> sinclair: ouch that sounds like packaging issue to me
[08:48] <sinclair> bigrovar: agree, just wonder why I have when others seem to get flawless upgrade
[08:49] <bigbrovar> I am just about to upgrade to 4.7, I am not sure of this but I think I heard someone saying lots of changes as regards packaging went into 4.7
[08:49] <bigbrovar> hmmm have u seen anyone who had a flawless upgrade?
[08:49] <sinclair> I read about that too - but this is something else. Identi.ca KDE comments
[08:49] <bigbrovar> what too are u trying to use for upgrade , apt-get aptitude or kpackagekit
[08:50] <sinclair> all of them and Muon :-)
[08:50] <bigbrovar> lol
[08:50] <sinclair> give the same output regardless
[08:50] <sinclair> here a comment from identi.ca : update went swimmingly
[08:51] <bigbrovar> well maybe u have some custom install (maybe a ppa?) with a version of kde library that is causing the upgrade process to go gaga
[08:51] <sinclair> could be, I do have a few ppa installs
[08:51] <bigbrovar> lol I hate it when I have issues that no one else have.
[08:52] <bigbrovar> let me try the upgrade and get back to u what mine says
[08:52] <Ab3L> hello
[08:52] <sinclair> OK am here, doing a server upgrade so have time on my  hands
[08:53] <bigbrovar> gf is not gonna like this I was suppose to "just check something on the pc" lol
[08:53] <sinclair> bigrovar: know the scenario...
[08:53] <Ab3L> is it possible (and if yes, how) to set shortcuts key to move a window from a desktop to another one?
[08:55] <sinclair> Ab3L: have no idea but am looking around
[08:57] <bigbrovar> sinclair: http://paste.kde.org/103555 thats what I got, doesn't look happy :/
[08:58] <sinclair> a bit of the same, though mine is worse :-) think I just leave it for now
[08:58] <bigbrovar> sinclair: it wants to remove the following   kdebase-data kdebase-runtime-data kdebase-workspace-bin kdebase-workspace-data
[08:58] <bigbrovar>   kdebase-workspace-kgreet-plugins libkdegames5 libkmbox libkonq5a libpowerdevilcore0 libtaskmanager4b
[08:59] <sinclair> bigrovar: those could be naming issues though
[08:59] <bigbrovar> sinclair: could it be that kde 4.7 has been packaged in such a way .. exactly naming issues
[08:59] <bigbrovar> heck let me dive in
[08:59] <bigbrovar> I could do with a new install anyway
[09:00] <bigbrovar> if anything breaks hurra
[09:00] <sinclair> bigrovar: give me a shout when done - here or on identi.ca (u there too right?)
[09:01] <sinclair> bigrovar: comment from kubuntu mailinglist: What I did was to go to the summary screen in aptitude and mark the old
[09:01] <sinclair> packages to automatically installed so it would pick the new ones. Akregator,
[09:01] <sinclair> etc. are still here and working fine.
[09:05] <bigbrovar> cool and yeah am bigbrovar on identica
[09:05] <bigbrovar> sinclair: you? whats your identica handle?
[09:06] <sinclair> hm, let me check ;-=
[09:06] <sinclair> zxsinclair
[09:20] <kinta> Quintasan: Not all components of kde-telepathy are included in https://launchpad.net/~telepathy-kde/+archive/ppa, True?
[09:25] <dnivra> hello. what is the shortcut key combination to view all the windows open in all workspaces as a wall? I keep activating it by accident by don't know the key combination. And I'm not too sure which functionality's shortcut key I'm looking for either.
[09:36] <fanel> hello everybody.Please tell me how to install adobe flash player on ubuntu 8.04.Any advice?Thanks...
[09:49] <sinclair> dnivra: I think it is Ctrl+F10 you mean?
[09:58] <dnivra> sinclair: yup that's the one. thanks! are there any other shortcuts that doesn't involve F10? Just curious cos F10 is way out of the normal hand position for typing :)
[09:59] <sinclair> dnivra: not to my knowledge, am not an expert by any means though
[10:00] <dnivra> ah well Ctrl + F10 will do. thanks sinclair! I'll try finding out others if any :)
[10:00] <sinclair> try Ctrl+F11 and Ctrl+F12 for some cool functions
[10:02] <dnivra> what's Ctrl + F12's idea? Just display the widgets?
[10:02] <dnivra> Looks pretty neat though I must add :)
[10:02]  * dnivra shifted to KDE for this precise reason-the looks :)
[10:02] <sinclair> yes display widgets - I  like it
[10:03] <sinclair> Ctrl+F11 - tilt the active desktop, kind of weird
[10:04] <dnivra> Ctrl + F11's cool. I had to install compiz effects and stuff on GNOME to get the same functionality :)
[10:06] <tsimpson> dnivra: it may be a screen-edge action, usually putting the cursor in the top-left triggers the "presentation"-type view
[10:07] <dnivra> tsimpson: that's the one! I accidently brush against the touchpad and that happens :). thanks!
[10:07] <tsimpson> System Settings -> Window Behaviour -> Screen Edges  to configure/disable that
[10:08] <dnivra> I think you meant Workspace Behaviour tsimpson :)
[10:08] <yofel> ldp: I'm on btfs for ~3 months now. Works reasonably well, but I had to restore my system from backup twice so far after the FS started kernel OOPSing on mount
[10:08] <tsimpson> dnivra: no, it's under Window Behaviour (at least for me)
[10:09] <yofel> sinclair: general rule of upgrades: if kubuntu-desktop is going to be removed something is wrong ;)
[10:09] <dnivra> tsimpson: hmmm. Which kubuntu are you running? I'm running 11.04.
[10:09] <sinclair> yofel: well I kind of like Akregator too... am on 11.04
[10:09] <tsimpson> mine is 4.5.something, on Lucid (10.04)
[10:09] <yofel> sinclair: can you give me the full list of packages in a pastebin?
[10:09] <dnivra> tsimpson: new version's feature probably :).
[10:10] <sinclair> yofel: give me a couple of minutes
[10:11] <yofel> sinclair: and yes, kdebase* was renamed, so those packages are ok to remove, but it shouldn't be more than 12-15 packages
[10:13] <sinclair> yofel: http://paste.kde.org/103597/
[10:20] <jerome_> hello~
[10:31] <yofel> sinclair: this will probably be a lot, but please pastebin the output of 'sudo apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes dist-upgrade'
[10:31] <sinclair> yofel: ok hold on
[10:33] <sinclair> yofel: here goes http://paste.kde.org/103609/
[10:34] <sinclair> and yes, a lot...
[10:34] <yofel> ok, let's see...
[10:39] <yofel> sinclair: aah, you're using kdepim 4.6 right?
[10:40] <sinclair> yofel: not any longer, I tried it but it was too "experimental" so I reinstalled kdepim 4.4
[10:41] <sinclair> yofel: possibly it was not "removed enough"?
[10:41] <yofel> "Investigating (3) kdepim-runtime [ i386 ] < 4:4.6.0-0ubuntu1~ppa1~natty2 > ( kde )" < THAT is 4.6.0
[10:43] <Ab3L> sinclair: <sinclair> try Ctrl+F11 and Ctrl+F12 for some cool functions <-- what shoud Ctrl+F11 do?
[10:43] <Ab3L> (i setted ctrl+f12 as action on border of screen)
[10:52] <sinclair> yofel: lost internet, back now
[10:52] <Oxymoron> http://paste.ubuntu.com/655036/ - does not work todo nvidia-xconfig and restart. Results in fatal error on xserver and dbus unable to load a new session
[10:52] <sinclair> yofel: you right, check in Muon and it reports kdepim-runtime 4.6 but Kontact reports 4.4...
[10:53] <sinclair> yofel: so if I force version downgrade of kdepim-runtime things might improve?
[10:53] <yofel> sinclair: I would say run aptitude interactively, apply it's conflict resolution and try to mark kubuntu-desktop for installation
[10:53] <yofel> that's what I would do
[10:55] <yofel> but it does seem that apt hangs itself up on some versioned deps from kdepim-runtime
[10:57] <m_tadeu> hi...is there a telepathy-kde package for kubuntu?
[10:58] <sinclair> yofel: will try using Muon to force downgrade to correct kdepim-runtime
[10:58] <yofel> m_tadeu: no(t yet)
[11:05] <sinclair> yofel: I think that sorted it, now only 16 packages "to go" that I understand is normal
[11:05] <sinclair> keep fingers crossed, here we go...
[11:05] <sinclair> yofel: thanks a lot
[11:06] <yofel> that sounds reasonable now :)
[11:06] <yofel> still make sure that kubuntu-desktop stays installed
[11:06] <silouck> isnt possible anymoreto configure samba in kde control panel (i.e. systemsettings)?
[11:08] <sinclair> yofel: this time it is mainly kde-base stuff that is going
[11:08] <yofel> that is fine then
[11:09] <Oxymoron> Is there anybody willing to help me out with the problem today?
[11:12] <oCean> Oxymoron: it's best to just state your issue, then sit back and wait
[11:12] <Oxymoron> oCean: ALready did, no response
[11:12] <Oxymoron> oCean: ikonia should try to help, but he disappeared :P
[11:13]  * yofel is clueless how to handle those hybrid grphics systems :/
[11:13] <Oxymoron> yofel: Is it a common problem?
[11:14] <Oxymoron> It feels like, if I solve the graphics issue I also solve the HDMI video output issue
[11:14] <yofel> I know that those setups like to break because the intel card is preferred unless you disable it in the BIOS
[11:14] <yofel> not much more
[11:15] <yofel> is the i915 module loaded?
[11:15] <Oxymoron> How to check if i is loaded?
[11:15] <Oxymoron> *i915
[11:15] <danny_> lsmod | grep -i i915
[11:15] <yofel> lsmod | grep i915
[11:15] <danny_> :-)
[11:15] <sinclair> oxymoron: what is the problem, I am on "2 gpu" system myself
[11:16] <Oxymoron> It feels like my Intel chip do not support HDMI or something, then Linux is using ONLY the intel circuit .... and not the nvidia one
[11:16] <Oxymoron> sinclair: I cannot enable nvidia driver in Xorg, and do not get any HDMI output.
[11:16] <yofel> if i915 is loaded it'll use KMS, which makes it impossible to use nvidia
[11:17] <sinclair> you using proprietary nvidia driver?
[11:17] <Oxymoron> yofel: http://paste.ubuntu.com/655052/
[11:17] <yofel> Oxymoron: try blacklisting the i915 module
[11:17] <Oxymoron> sinclair: Inr.stalled prop nvida driver, but it cannot be used by xserve
[11:17] <sinclair> oxymoron: I have ati system myself so not good at this really
[11:17] <yofel> or maybe adding nomodeset to the kernel command line might help too
[11:17] <Oxymoron> yofel: How to blacklist it?
[11:17] <danny_> yofel: Did you try jockey-kde for intalling and configuring your nvidia driver?
[11:18] <Oxymoron> danny_: Yes ;)
[11:18] <yofel> danny_: talk to Oxymoron ;)
[11:18] <danny_> Sorry to interrupt. :-)
[11:18] <yofel> Oxymoron: add it to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[11:18] <Oxymoron> Jockey did only install the driver, but could not enable it.
[11:19] <sinclair> oxymoron: check this site/mailinglist, they all about mixed systems: https://launchpad.net/~hybrid-graphics-linux
[11:21] <Oxymoron> sinclair: Nice, thanks. I am trying switcheroo, bumblebee acpi-call etc.
[11:29] <BluesKaj> Hiyas
[11:30] <Oxymoron> sinclair: Seem to work with acpi_call, but I do not understand how to use it xd
[11:44] <m_tadeu> dolphin fails me sometimes on the directory preview....I have a bunch of dirs withonly photos inside, and it doesn't show me a preview
[11:45] <danny_> Is it possible to run animated desktop-wallpers (like videos) on kde 4? How?
[11:47] <sinclair> oxymoron: wish I could be of more help but on wrong system and using AMD Catalyst myself. Mail the list
[11:50] <BluesKaj> m_tadeu, in dolphin , choose view then check preview
[11:51] <m_tadeu> BluesKaj: I did that...still no directory previews
[11:53] <BluesKaj> m_tadeu, in dolphin configure , general, behaviour tab, check remember view properties for each folde
[11:53] <BluesKaj> folder
[11:54] <m_tadeu> BluesKaj: that is also selected
[11:57] <BluesKaj> m_tadeu, check your permissions
[12:03] <soee> anuone using nvidia 175.21 drivers ?
[12:06] <BluesKaj> soee, do you mean 275 ?
[12:06] <soee> BluesKaj, yes
[12:06] <szal> !anyone
[12:07] <silouck> isnt possible anymoreto configure samba in kde control panel (i.e. systemsettings)?
[12:08] <BluesKaj> soee, 275 is mostly used on 11.10 afaik ...my 8400gs uses the 270
[12:10] <BluesKaj> silouck, configure samba in dolphin, places,network
[12:11] <silouck> BluesKaj: theres nothing to configure samba
[12:13] <soee> BluesKaj, any idea if KDE 4.7 works better with 275.x ?
[12:14] <szal> define "better"
[12:17] <soee> szal, with kde 4.6.5 all effects were smooth and nice, now they are much hmm.. slower and warps like with 15fps
[12:20] <soee> brb
[12:20]  * szal hasn't tried 4.7 yet
[12:23] <girl> Anyone knows how to get an icon only taskbar for running applications in KDE 4.7. KDE 4.7 Install removed smooth tasks as it is incompatible with it
[12:25] <girl> anyone
[12:26] <silouck> kubuntu no, theres nothing like mandriva distro
[12:27] <girl> silouck: Were you addressing me?
[12:27] <silouck> girl: seams your needing glasses
[12:28] <girl> silouck: I beg your pardon?
[12:28] <sinclair> yofel: upgrade done, all well AFAIK, thanks a lot for the help, would not have sorted it myself
[12:28] <silouck> girl: no need
[12:28] <sinclair> bigrovar: problem found w help of yofel, upgrade now done w/o problems
[12:29] <girl> yofel: kde 4.7 breaks smooth-tasks any ideas on this?
[12:29] <yofel> girl: try again
[12:29] <girl> yofel: ok
[12:32] <afief_> what is this smooth-tasks magic you're talking about? A sweet kde feature I have missed?
[12:33] <girl> afief_: It is a replasment plasmoid like taskmanager to show only icons bit in win7
[12:33] <girl> yofel: The following packages have unmet dependencies:  plasma-widget-smooth-tasks : Depends: libtaskmanager4b (>= 4:4.3.4) but it is not going to be installed
[12:33] <yofel> girl: please refresh your package cache
[12:34] <afief_> girl: you mean never show names? because the default taskmanager plasmoid removes the names when the list gets too crowded
[12:34] <BluesKaj> silouck, you have to run the 'add network folder' or samba shares , I think ..I use smb so i'm not exactly sure
[12:34]  * yofel has his panel vertically in unity-style, like that the default task manager only shows Icons too
[12:35] <silouck> BluesKaj: addnetwork fodler?? camon, go read kde docs
[12:35] <girl> afief_: Yes but this one allways removes text and has close and activate window when hovering thumbnail like 7's explorer shell
[12:36] <BluesKaj> silouck, you're the guy who wants to configure samba ...you read them :)
[12:36] <silouck> i simply asked about configuring samba in kde control panel, a thing that sued to exist in kde3, amd now you BluesKaj appear divagating
[12:36] <afief_> girl: very nice... I wonder why this stuff isn't added as options to the default plasmoid
[12:36] <girl> yofel: Thanks new package works ... Silly of me not to refresh archive package cache
[12:36] <girl> afief_: You can try it out with sudo apt-get install plasma-widget-smooth-tasks
[12:37] <BluesKaj> silouck, you ust need to add samba to the network in edit applications , if that's what you mean
[12:38] <silouck> BluesKaj: seams i dont speak english...
[12:38] <BluesKaj> appear divagating? silouck ...what's that mean?
[12:39] <silouck> BluesKaj: divagate, go see a dictionary
[12:41] <BluesKaj> silouck, are you using an online translator , if so ...maybe you should join the chat in your native language whatever that may be.
[12:42] <soee> is it normal that blur effect on panel disappear for a moment when switching wirtual desktops?
[12:42] <konqui> I have this issue with kopete that has been bothering me since KDE 3X and all the way to KDE 4.7. Yahoo Chat supports contacting windows live users. However when I send something to a live user, he/she never receives the message
[12:44] <konqui> can anyone help me... with pidgin it works fine
[12:44] <konqui> soee: happens with me too
[12:44] <konqui> soee: but its very quick
[12:48] <konqui> any ideas with my issue
[12:49] <BluesKaj> konqui, not many questions lately about kopete and IM apps
[12:50] <konqui> guess I'll still be using pidgin for Yahoo for a while
[12:51] <BluesKaj> konqui, well, whatever works for you, there's no law saying kopete must be used
[12:52] <konqui> BluesKaj: I know that! just that I prefer Kopete's interface but that glitch really bothers me
[12:53] <BluesKaj> sorry konqui , never use it ...maybe someone else can help you
[12:54] <konqui> BluesKaj: any qt alternative to kopete with a good enough interface?
[12:56] <BluesKaj> konqui, for IM , maybe amsn emesen
[12:56] <konqui> BluesKaj: Thanks for your help
[12:57] <BluesKaj> konqui, not qt tho afaik
[12:58] <sinclair> konqui: I think you have to wait for KDE Telepathy to mature
[12:58] <konqui> sinclair: I guess so
[12:58] <BluesKaj> konqui, http://qt-apps.org/?xcontentmode=4232
[12:59] <konqui> BluesKaj: I'll try that
[12:59] <sinclair> konqui: you can not log in to MSN w your Yahoo id? Just guessing, I have separate accounts myself
[12:59] <sinclair> konqu: using same email though
[12:59] <konqui> sinclair: I am aware of that I have already done that
[13:00] <sinclair> konqu: OK
[13:00] <cher> Does something like ALP (Sun Ray) exist for Kubuntu? Or is it possible to keep a desktop over logon / logoff with xdmcp these days?
[13:00] <BluesKaj> konqui, vacuum perhaps
[13:01] <konqui> BluesKaj: thats jabber
[13:01] <BluesKaj> ok..
[13:09] <BluesKaj> sinclair, I just use googletalk if I need to IM ...simple and fast and works with windows , don't understand the need for  a qt app
[13:10] <sinclair> blueskaj: I have around 5 different IM accounts (if you count Skype) and all can be managed from Kopete
[13:11] <sinclair> including GTalk
[13:11] <BluesKaj> and windows live ?
[13:11] <sinclair> blueskaj: yes
[13:11] <sinclair> you mean Live Messenger right?
[13:12] <sinclair> blueskaj: poor support for video generally though, Kopete not actively updated
[13:13] <sinclair> blueskaj: but my connection so slow can not really use videocalls anyhow ;-)
[13:13] <BluesKaj> I guess so  i'm not a big IM user , is there a diff between live messenger and windows live
[13:13] <BluesKaj> ?
[13:14] <BluesKaj> we use skype as well ...for talking with my kids etc
[13:14] <BluesKaj> skype static works here
[13:16] <sinclair> blueskaj: MSN, Live, Windows messenger same thing, different generations
[13:16] <BluesKaj> ok
[13:17] <sinclair> blueskaj: for various reasons I am on ICQ, MSN/Live, Yahoo, GTalk, FBook, Skype
[13:17] <sinclair> all via Kopete
[13:17] <BluesKaj> but not irc ?
[13:17] <sinclair> no irc in Kopete AFAIK
[13:17] <BluesKaj> sinclair, ^
[13:18] <AlexZion> yeah but skype for example , is used to control any comunication around the world , especially now ...., I'd like to have something really free  and open standard , like sip for example...., but in my case it doesn't works very well  unfortunatelly ....
[13:20] <BluesKaj> sinclair, right , guess I'm thinking of pidgin ...tried it waaay back , but I've always preferred dedicated apps ...
[13:21] <BluesKaj> <konversation for IRC
[13:21] <sinclair> quassel is what I use
[13:21] <sinclair> for irc
[13:21] <sinclair> and I agree on skype.. have tried Jitsi but "noone to talk to"
[13:22] <BluesKaj> quassel works well , just don't care for the "look"
[13:23] <BluesKaj> AlexZion, SIP , could you expand on that ?
[13:25] <szal> Quassel isn't too bad, but for now I prefer Konversation
[13:25] <AlexZion> well I'm using a sip account which is an open standard , so it means I can use this account with any sofware I like that manage it , like ekiga, qutekome, linphone , etc......
[13:26]  * szal doesn't care much about open or closed standard..  much more important, imho, are the terms of use
[13:26] <AlexZion> the point is that I tried it few times , but to talk with friend (using Qutecom in my case), the audio isn't so good .....
[13:29] <BluesKaj> bbl
[13:29] <AlexZion> I really think that sip protocol , should be well implemented in any linux system ...., I hate to talk with friend and be sure that someone is always recording me  for their prupose ....., like marketing for example or even worst .... "to label" people around the world .......
[13:33] <AlexZion> can you imagine .... !?! any single word written in skype has to pass in microshit server ...., which is a corporation that cooperate since ever with pentagon ......., can you imagine why they bougth skype !?! , anyway I think  this is completelly  off topic , so ..... forgive me for that ....., I will shut up .... :)
[13:36] <AlexZion> restart time after driver upgrade , I'll back in few minutes, hopefully ...
[13:53] <AlexZion> after uprading nvidia driver , using the reccomended one, I can't get in, just in the safe mode ....., now I'm trying to change a bit the xorg.conf, to see what happend ...., any other idea ?
[13:54] <James147> AlexZion: nvidia-xconfig  ^^
[13:54] <petete> i'm using this updated drivers
[13:54] <petete> https://launchpad.net/~guido-iodice/+archive/kernel-and-drivers
[13:55] <petete> you could try those
[13:55] <AlexZion> it's funny because averything seems to works , I mean I can hear the sound of the normal system , but on my screen , just remain on the splash screen ....
[13:56] <ubuntu____> hello all. Am trying to install kubuntu 11.0 using live cd. I see i have 4 partitions and am not able to install this kubuntu now.Can someone help me delete some and with this instalation?
[13:57] <AlexZion> petete: so you think I can trust these packages ?
[13:57] <petete> im using them, its just kernel and driver updates
[13:58] <petete> but im using ati, so idk if it will help you
[13:58] <prower> hello :> i'm getting the following error from kpackagekit as of today: E: Error http://extras.ubuntu.com natty Release.gpg
[13:58] <ubuntu____> am I on freenode?
[13:58] <prower> Something wicked happened resolving ':http' (-5 - No address associated with hostname)
[13:58] <AlexZion> anyway , just for curiosity I try to restart with new xorg.conf , and if doesn't works , I'll try it ....
[13:58] <prower> (upgrading using apt-get or aptitude works fine)
[14:05] <mika__> hi guys, i've just upgraded to 4.7, but akonadi doesn't work... it doesn't start, and without it it's now impossibile to use kmail...any way to fix this ?
[14:07] <BluesKaj> ubuntu____ you have to decide which partitions you need , then use the partitioner on the live cd
[14:08] <szal> 4.7 using new kdepim?
[14:09] <mika__> szal: nope, old one, kdepim 4.7 is in the experiment ppa
[14:09] <szal> ah, good
[14:11] <AlexZion> noway guys, so what you suggest me ...., try the unofficial repo for kernel and driver , or purge everything and reinstall the oldone !?!
[14:13] <sinclair> mika_: then akonadi should have no connection to KMail?
[14:14] <bigbrovar> sinclair: sorry for not getting back to u earlier, kde 4.7 installed fine
[14:14] <bigbrovar> was able to upgrade without any issues
[14:15] <bigbrovar> although I did have to create a new user just to see it from a vanila state. still all seem to be working as they should
[14:15] <bigbrovar> surprisingly indexing has been silent no cpu spikes
[14:15] <mikkytrionze> hello room
[14:15] <mikkytrionze> new up in here
[14:15] <mikkytrionze> and just wondering what i can get from kubuntu irc
[14:17] <sinclair> bigrovar: yofel helped me find my problem, it was a "leftover" from attempt to use Kontact 4.6
[14:17] <sinclair> so have also upgraded successfully
[14:17] <mikkytrionze> hello
[14:17] <mikkytrionze> programmers in the room that have handled android before
[14:17] <mikkytrionze> ?
[14:18] <sinclair> have some funny issues with my Task Manager, otherwise all seems well
[14:18] <BluesKaj> AlexZion, make sure nvidia-current driver is actually installed , sudo apt-cache policy nvidia-current
[14:18] <sinclair> and they not important, so to speak
[14:19] <AlexZion> upgrading to kde 4.7 , I just get few annoing things , few plasmoid diesn't save their position for example, and some settings about kde too (like the text beside icon which I don't really like)...
[14:20] <AlexZion> BluesKaj: nvidia-current 270.41.06-0ubuntu1 , so should be ok  !?!
[14:21] <mika__> kubuntu is really fucked up...... akonadi doesn't seem to work... neither the old and the new 4.7 version
[14:21] <BluesKaj> AlexZion, yes , that's it
[14:21] <AlexZion> anyway I had few kde upgrade to do and I did , so let me check if something is changed ...
[14:21] <BluesKaj> mika__, watch the language pls
[14:22] <AlexZion> I'll be back in few minutes ....
[14:30] <AlexZion> so ..., my laptop doesn't like this driver ....
[14:30] <szal> what driver?
[14:30] <sinclair> mika_: try from command  line start akonadi w akonadict start (might have to akonadictl stop first)
[14:30] <sinclair> gives lots of output
[14:30] <AlexZion> what do you suggest me ? , try the unofficial repo or go back to the old one ?
[14:31] <sinclair> mika_:sorry should be akonadictl start
[14:31] <AlexZion> szal: the nvidia driver I just upgrade  to recomended one , but I can get in just in safe mode , so without 3D acceleration
[14:32] <szal> AlexZion: what card?
[14:33] <AlexZion> nvidia geforce go 7300 on a asus z92j laptop, about5 years old
[14:33] <szal> shouldn't be a problem
[14:33] <BluesKaj> AlexZion, drop to a tty , sudo service kdm stop , sudo apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-current ...the update may have caused a prob
[14:34] <szal> + 'sudo nvidia-xconfig' + reboot
[14:34] <AlexZion> ok I'll try ....
[14:38] <AlexZion> I simply can't do it , because I have just wireless connection, and rigth now I don't have access to the router to connect the LAN , and I have no idea about using wireless in text mode .... :(
[14:40] <AlexZion> I can try to reinstall the driver without stop the kdm service !?!
[14:40] <soee> any oneiric users here ?
[14:40] <szal> soee: -> #ubuntu+1
[14:41] <BluesKaj> AlexZion, it won't reinstall without stopping kdm
[14:41] <soee> AlexZion, what drivers ?
[14:41] <AlexZion> really !?! , I already give the command on the konsole ... :O
[14:42] <AlexZion> and seems to be installing .... BluesKaj
[14:44] <BluesKaj> hmm\, maybe the  --reinstall command stops kdm ...
[14:48] <AlexZion> maybe I found the problem .... , unbeliavable ....., I was using burg instead of grub , and I saw just now that was using the old kernel .....
[14:48] <AlexZion> now I'll try with grub and the new kernel .....
[14:50] <soee> ok i must ask one more q: who upgraded to KDE 4.7 on 11.04 with nvidia card, and can feel that kwin is faster etc ?
[14:51] <BluesKaj> soee, I havent noticed any diff
[14:52] <soee> BluesKaj, nor the slowness ?
[14:54] <phoenix_firebrd> hello everyone
[14:54] <BluesKaj> soee, it's plenty fast , but his is a 4 yr old dual core plain jane HP desktop with 3G RAM , so it's not a benchmark pc :)
[14:55] <BluesKaj> his =this
[14:55] <soee> well im on c2d with 2 gb ram :)
[14:57] <phoenix_firebrd> i am trying out kde-telepathy, while i was setting up my yahoo account i came across an option locale for room, does that mean kde-telepathy supports yahoo chat rooms, if so where can i get the list of chat rooms
[14:58] <AlexZion> ok , same problem with new kernel..., I'd like to completely remove any nvidia driver on my system , and clean up any settings ...., should I use purge for that ?
[15:00] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: what happened
[15:01] <AlexZion> I install the reccomended nvidia driver , but I can't get in my system ....., after the login screen , the system seems to start normally but I can't use it because the display remain on the splashscreen.....
[15:02] <kbroulik> wuhu, upgrading to 4.7 - it will uninstall kdebase-workspace-bin? o.O
[15:02] <AlexZion> so now I'd like to remove everything about nvidia , and try with a fresh installation ....
[15:02] <BluesKaj> AlexZion, did you notice if dkm rebuilt the nvidia driver while you were upgrading the kernel?
[15:02] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: can you start your desktop in recovery mode?
[15:02] <AlexZion> anthan if doesn't works ...., do again reinstalling the old driver ...
[15:03] <AlexZion> from the login screen , I can select safemode and it works .....
[15:03] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: do it
[15:03] <BluesKaj> err dkms
[15:03] <James147> AlexZion: try a new user
[15:03] <AlexZion> I did , I'm in in this way .. :)
[15:03] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: one sec
[15:04] <James147> AlexZion: most likly a config problem with your user
[15:04] <AlexZion> I don't know , anyway I already remove the driver ...., I'd like to clean up .....
[15:05] <James147> AlexZion: try creating a new user and see if it works with them...
[15:05] <AlexZion> and then reinstallig it ...., if doesn't works again I'll try it
[15:05] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: backup the xorg.conf and delete it
[15:05] <AlexZion> so should I reinstall the driver without cleaning !?!
[15:05] <BluesKaj> odd , my old nvidia 7600gt works fine ...it's based on the 7300
[15:05] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: you sure you uninstalled it?
[15:05] <James147> phoenix_firebrd: its unlikly a xorg problem if x starts
[15:06] <AlexZion> yes , using jokey , or maybe is just deactivated ....
[15:06] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: he is not able to start x server
[15:06]  * James147 got the impression kdm was started...
[15:07] <AlexZion> sure phoenix_firebrd !?! the login screen is not already Xserver ?
[15:07] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: he means the grub menu as login screen
[15:07] <James147> AlexZion: does kdm start?
[15:07] <James147> (the login manager
[15:07] <AlexZion> and anyway I can hear the sound of a normal start , but I can't just see what's going on because the splash remain on top of it ...
[15:07] <James147> AlexZion: then create a new user and see if they have the same problem
[15:08] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: how did you uninstall the driver
[15:08] <James147> problems between kdm and the session are normal userlevel config related
[15:08] <AlexZion> new user means , to reconfigure everything James147 ....., maybe is better go back to the old one .... !?!
[15:09] <James147> AlexZion: no, just to test
[15:09] <James147> AlexZion: see if the problem is with the settings then you can find the offending config and fix it...
[15:09] <AlexZion> ok so let me reinstall the driver ..
[15:09] <James147> AlexZion: but there is no point in looking of the new user dosnt work...
[15:11] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: yesterday i tried the nvidia driver in 11.10, it doesnt work
[15:12] <James147> phoenix_firebrd: if kdm is running then the driver is working
[15:12] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: ya
[15:12] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: but i dont think the kdm is running
[15:12] <James147> phoenix_firebrd: and since its a problem with the slashscreen that indicates that x is running so probally not a driver issue
[15:12] <AlexZion> yeah , I think that try to change my old and trusted driver (even with some ugly stuff) was a huge mistake ... :D
[15:13] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: he mean to say the plymouth splash screen :)
[15:13] <James147> AlexZion: You also upgraded to kde 4.7?
[15:13] <James147> AlexZion: Do you get to the login screen?
[15:13] <BluesKaj> and a new kernel as well
[15:13] <AlexZion> yeah James147 I did yesterday and everything was perfectly normal before upgrading driver
[15:14] <yofel> kbroulik: you should get kde-workspace-bin instead
[15:14] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: i was not able to install the kdelibs4, its removing the whole desktop
[15:14] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: is kde-telepathy packaged with 11.10?
[15:14] <kbroulik> yofel: i will see :D if I restart and plasma doesnt show up, I know why :D
[15:14] <James147> phoenix_firebrd: isnt the current one kdelibs5?
[15:14] <yofel> kdelibs4? you mean 5?
[15:15] <yofel> phoenix_firebrd: not yet, Quintasan was working on PPA packages at least
[15:15] <AlexZion> yeah James147 I get the normal login screen , and after that , comes the splash , and remain there forevere ... :), even if the system shoudl start normally for what I hear ....., any sound  like always
[15:15] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: only kdelibs4 was available, i will doubl,e check
[15:15] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: oh, ok
[15:15] <draik> Hello all. How do I configure the display size of my 2nd display (HDMI tv), as it is currently bigger than the screen size.
[15:15] <James147> AlexZion: then its most likly a user config issue... i bet it will work wiht a new user... and isnt driver related
[15:16] <AlexZion> ok , so done ...., I'll restart and log in with new user ...., hopefully it will works ...
[15:16] <AlexZion> I'll be back in few minutes ... ;)
[15:17] <phoenix_firebrd> James147: if it happens by what you say, my perception of nvidia drivers will change
[15:22] <Quintasan> phoenix_firebrd: Yes, I will finish uploading stuff today
[15:23] <phoenix_firebrd> Quintasan: thanks buddy
[15:26] <draik> Where can I configure the screen to be within the tv's display area?
[15:29] <AlexZion> James147: noway to login the new user ......, when ask me for a new password , I simply can't write the newone .....
[15:30] <James147> AlexZion: ^^ ... ummm, I would just set it on command line
[15:30] <James147> alt+ctrl+f1 and login there, then alt+ctrl+f7 and try login into kdm again
[15:31] <James147> (assuming the command line asks you to set it... if not then run "passwd" after lggin in)
[15:31] <AlexZion> do you know what , I'll try the old driver ..., I already spent too many hours for a such a stupid thing .....
[15:31] <James147> AlexZion: I wont take long to see ^^
[15:31] <AlexZion> yeah but I'll be again in the safe mode ...., so .....
[15:31] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: one sec
[15:31] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: you could erase our doubts
[15:32] <AlexZion> I hope so ...., so the days wouldn't be totally waste ....
[15:32] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: can you tryu it please
[15:32] <AlexZion> ok I try ...
[15:32] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: thanks
[15:33] <draik> !display
[15:34] <afief_> Didn't mark put some plans to move away from X? Any schedule set for that?
[15:35] <marxjohnson> afief_: When Wayland is ready, presumably
[15:35] <afief_> marxjohnson: lets hope it gets there before hurd then :-)
[15:36] <afief_> but I think I recall him saying somrthing about a specific Ubuntu version... just don't remember which
[15:37] <phoenix_firebrd> wayland will solve all these issue of xorg i guess
[15:39] <BluesKaj> i heard grub was going to be integrated or linked to wayland , no more splash just login [
[15:39] <phoenix_firebrd> i am not aware of that
[15:40] <afief_> BluesKaj: Is that even possible? Wayland depends on an OS running under it providing drivers, grub comes before the OS
[15:41] <afief_> phoenix_firebrd: and it'll introduce its own set of neuiances
[15:41] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: he he
[15:41] <phoenix_firebrd> afief_: he he
[15:42] <BluesKaj> afief_, according to an article I read , that's exactly the problem, drivers are to preload or simultaneously so wayland can take advantage
[15:43] <AlexZion> phoenix_firebrd: noway to get it with new user ....
[15:43] <AlexZion> not even after a restart ....
[15:43] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: i will help you to get the nvidia off
[15:43] <BluesKaj> the whole idea is to simplify the boot , afief_
[15:43] <yofel> AlexZion: maybe the others already asked, but is 'kubuntu-desktop' installed?
[15:44] <phoenix_firebrd> ha ha ha
[15:44] <afief_> BluesKaj: could you provide a link to the article? If I understand it correctly we're looking into a huge re-design here
[15:44] <AlexZion> yes of course is it , I'm using it in safe mode ...
[15:44] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: nice one, i came across a similar one :)
[15:44] <BluesKaj> afief_, yup, lemme look
[15:45] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: at safe mode, use this command to uninsatlll the nvidia driver " sudo apt-get purge nvidia-current"
[15:45] <yofel> AlexZion: sorry, we had someone yesterday that couldn't login, and that was his problem ^^
[15:45] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: after that backup and delete the xorg.conf
[15:47] <AlexZion> ok phoenix_firebrd and what about the old driver !?! do you think should I remove as well !?! , or it's automatically done when I installed the newone !?!
[15:47] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: is the old driver working?>
[15:48] <AlexZion> I don't know yet , now after unistall the newone , on jokcey seems to be using the old one ....
[15:48] <AlexZion> but I didn't rename the xorg yet ...
[15:48] <yofel> with xorg.conf the old one might work
[15:48] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: if you have time , try the old one, if not just uninstall it
[15:50] <phoenix_firebrd> i am starting to love the nouveau drivers
[15:50] <AlexZion> ok let's try the oldone with the old xorg.conf ....., I restart , see you soon ....
[15:50] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: good luck
[15:55] <AlexZion> ok phoenix_firebrd , everything back to normal with the old driver and the old xorg
[15:56] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: very good, enjoy
[15:56] <AlexZion> except for some stipid things of kde , like change the position of some plasmoid averytime ...
[15:56] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: did kde-jockey suggested a new driver?
[15:56] <AlexZion> let me check ...
[15:57] <BluesKaj> afief_, I seemed to have misplaced the bookmark or lost it ...sorry , could have been mere speculation ...too good to be true perhaps... it's been a while since i read it
[15:57] <AlexZion> phoenix_firebrd: yes , the reccomemded is the newone ....
[15:57] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: are they trying something like the chrome os?
[15:58] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: oh ok.
[15:58] <arpan> hi
[15:58] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: what is the current verison?
[15:58] <afief_> BluesKaj: it is indeed too good to be true. But who knows? if Linux can run on on embeded stuff it can perhaps do grub stuff too
[15:58] <afief_> arpan: hi
[15:58] <arpan> i am trying to upgrade to latest 4.7 packages and getting this error
[15:58] <AlexZion> and it's funny because says thet the old driver is not used , but actually I get full 3D acceleration .... , what's going on .... ?
[15:58] <arpan> http://paste.ubuntu.com/655177/
[15:59] <arpan> i'm on natty 11.04 with kde 4.6.5
[16:00] <arpan> afief: hi, can you look into the output I linked above? thanks!
[16:00] <AlexZion> phoenix_firebrd: 173.14.30
[16:01] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: what card you are using?
[16:01] <AlexZion> geforce go 7300 phoenix_firebrd
[16:01] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: ok
[16:02] <arpan> Can anyone help with solving this deps? http://paste.ubuntu.com/655177/
[16:02] <AlexZion> phoenix_firebrd: should I be worried about jockey says that the driver is not in use !?!
[16:03] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: does it say that any of the driver is active?
[16:04] <AlexZion> no driver active for jockey ....., but I get 3d acceleration works fine ...
[16:04] <afief_> arpan: I don't know, haven't upgraded myself yet
[16:04] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: how do you know that
[16:05] <AlexZion> well , the compositing effects ...., normally when cannot use the driver , doesn't works ...
[16:05] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: the funny thing is my kde-jockey too says that my driver is not active, but it works fine , so dont worry about that
[16:06] <arpan> afief_: no probs, thanks anyway :)
[16:06] <BluesKaj> afief_, do you know anyone who has tried wayland ?
[16:06] <AlexZion> ok ....., maybe jockey smoked too much joint in the last few days ... :D
[16:06] <phoenix_firebrd> AlexZion: :)
[16:07] <afief_> BluesKaj: nope, but I might try it once my semester is finally over
[16:09] <grawcho_> hey ... dose anyone have an idea when bluedevil 1.2 is due to be released?
[16:11] <phoenix_firebrd> grawcho_: goto to kubuntu-devel ,there the bluedevil developer is present as afiestas, ask him
[16:13] <BluesKaj> afief_,  I'm curious about wayland , and I have another linuxbox that I might try to experiment on... maybe in a day or 2
[16:14] <afief_> BluesKaj: cool! I really want the semester to end so I can start hacking on my season of kde project :(
[16:14] <grawcho_> phoenix_firebrd: thanks
[16:14] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-x/2011-February/001062.html
[16:17] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: are you going to try it natty?
[16:19] <BluesKaj> phoenix_firebrd, I might,  later next week ..but if I do I'll definitely ley ppl know  :)
[16:19] <BluesKaj> let
[16:21] <phoenix_firebrd> BluesKaj: i will try it today in 11.10, if it is available
[16:24] <AlexZion> ok guys , I'm going away...., thanks again for your support and for everything else ... ;)
[16:54] <basse> hi, is there a way to make the default kde videoplayer deinterlace video automaticly when played?  i'm using digikam to organize videos, and dont really know what player comes when i double click.. dragonplayer?
[17:08] <asdfqq> hi
[17:10] <CodenameStrike> Anyone? I hear knetworkmanager is deprecated or some sort?
[17:13] <Linkmaster> CodenameStrike: knetworkmanager is getting better every release
[17:14] <CodenameStrike> Well I'd like to know what to do in order to see the network applet or something in the panel
[17:14] <CodenameStrike> since I just upgraded KDE to 4.7.
[17:14] <CodenameStrike> Currently I don't have the network-manager-kde package
[17:14] <CodenameStrike> it's not installable.
[17:15] <Linkmaster> Thats strange
[17:15] <Linkmaster> But you have internet?
[17:16] <CodenameStrike> I do have it
[17:16] <CodenameStrike> "network-manager-kde : Depends: knm-runtime (= 0.9~svngit20110408-0ubuntu2) but 0.9~svngit20110728-0ubuntu3~natty1~ppa3 is to be installed"
[17:16] <CodenameStrike> I mean, internet, of course. Silly me.
[17:16] <CodenameStrike> but that message...
[17:17] <CodenameStrike> At first, KNetworkManager refuses to start and died on me, then I uninstalled it and upgraded the knm-runtime package
[17:17] <Linkmaster> And you say its not installable?
[17:17] <CodenameStrike> well that message from the terminal says so...
[17:17] <CodenameStrike> I just posted it
[17:18] <Linkmaster> Hmm...
[17:18] <Linkmaster> Did you try an apt-get update, upgrade, dist-upgrade at all?
[17:19] <CodenameStrike> Wait I'll retry
[17:19] <CodenameStrike> I mean
[17:19] <CodenameStrike> try that... again.
[17:19] <Linkmaster> I don't know why it might be doing that, knm is working fine for me
[17:19] <CodenameStrike> ... No luck
[17:20] <Linkmaster> Try asking in #kde, or wait for someone more experienced than I to come around
[17:22] <darthanubis> kde 4.7 sweet!
[17:23] <CodenameStrike> So the #kde guys made me return...
[17:26] <Guest87206> hey guys..
[17:27] <Guest87206> anyone here uses linux mint?
[17:27] <ikonia> !mint | Guest87206
[17:27] <Guest87206> btw, how do i change my alias..
[17:28] <Guest87206> they sent me here, sad...
[17:28] <ikonia> Guest87206: for irc help, try in #freenode
[17:28] <Guest87206> i'll ask the question, i hope it's general enough
[17:28] <ikonia> Guest87206: please don't
[17:28] <ikonia> Guest87206: we don't support mint here, use the mint support resources
[17:29] <Guest87206> ok, sry, y?
[17:29] <ikonia> because mint has it's own support resources, that is the correct place to get support
[17:29] <Guest87206> *tear* ok..
[17:30] <CodenameStrike> Well apparently the #kde guys pointed me to the plasma network management plasmoid
[17:30] <CodenameStrike> but thanks and goodnight
[17:30] <Guest87206> where can i get straight kde help?
[17:30] <Linkmaster> CodenameStrike: I think I'm the confused one, I thought you were referring to the widget
[17:30] <ikonia> Guest87206: no, you are running mint
[17:31] <Guest87206> in kde..
[17:31] <phoenix_firebrd> i see lot of dependency related issues in kde 4.7 upgrade :(
[17:31] <CodenameStrike> Linkmaster: I guess I should be clear, but I think I did mention I was attempting to run the KNetworkManager application
[17:31] <Guest87206> so.. any kde help places?
[17:31] <ikonia> Guest87206: I suggest you look at freenode.net for the available channel list
[17:31] <Linkmaster> CodenameStrike: no, you were clear with what you said, as I said, I was confused. I've been using the widget the entire time, not the actual application
[17:32] <CodenameStrike> Well no worries
[17:32] <Guest87206> kk, thx, *waves* bye kubuntu ppls
[17:32] <CodenameStrike> I just tend to get into such problems only to... figure out the solution later after asking here and there
[17:33] <yofel> CodenameStrike: ah, knetworkmanager was dropped by upstream, they only support the plasma widget now
[17:33] <CodenameStrike> ... I really should pick up the habit of always looking into Synaptic when in doubt :)
[17:33] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: this was way back right?
[17:34] <CodenameStrike> I do hope I can get an extra machine to play around with installing Kubuntu from way down, from the CLI base
[17:34] <CodenameStrike> well thanks again and goodnight
[17:34] <yofel> not really, the snapshot for the natty release still shipped knm, but we needed a newer snapshot for 4.7 and that has knm removed
[17:34] <CodenameStrike> work tomorrow as usual.
[17:35] <phoenix_firebrd> yofel: ok
[17:46] <k0s> qq
[18:04] <teliti> Hello. I just tried to copy an iso-image to a stick with startupdisk creator but it rejects accepting *iso files. Is there something missing in the default install?
[18:04] <OerHeks> is your stick formatted fat 16/32 ?
[18:05] <teliti> No. ext4fs
[18:05] <OerHeks> ah, this is the cause, i think.
[18:05] <OerHeks> reformat it as fat32 and it should be oke
[18:06] <teliti> with mkfs.msdos?
[18:07] <OerHeks> i usually use the filemanager, right mouse on the stick, etc
[18:07] <teliti> thx :-)
[18:16] <tobago> the vim syntax highlighting looks awful on my kubuntu. how to modify it?
[19:02] <tobago> why is vim on kubuntu natty narwhal broken?
[19:09] <yofel> tobago: define broken
[19:10] <tobago> yofel: i can't yank and paste lines between two files (opened in different tabs)
[19:11] <tobago> yofel or even opening a file yanking usgin visual mode, closing it snd opening another and pasting it: the register " is empty.
[19:11] <tobago> using
[19:11] <tobago> yofel on another ubuntu machine it works.
[19:12] <asdfqq> hi
[19:12] <asdfqq> I'm installing Kubuntu 11.04, but the installer doesn
[19:13] <asdfqq> oops, it doesn't move from 86%, it is there like 25 min.
[19:13] <yofel> tobago: works fine for me...
[19:13] <tobago> mmh. can you paste your .vimrc?
[19:13] <tobago> yofel ^^
[19:13] <tobago> yofel or did you configure anything?
[19:14] <yofel> I did ofc. ^^ http://paste.kde.org/103789/
[19:15] <asdfqq> what can I do to know if it broken, or how can I make it advance?  86% is: Restoring previously installed packages
[19:20] <tobago> yofel are u on VIM - Vi IMproved 7.3 ?
[19:20] <yofel> yep, version 7.3.35
[19:21] <tobago> yofel btw. the "set scrolloff=3" is pretty awesome.
[19:22] <tobago> yofel but i can't find any line that configs the register in some way.
[19:22] <tobago> mmh. what the hell is broken?
[19:23] <yofel> I don't think I change anything there
[19:23] <dbc254> downloaded the new adobe flash 11 tar.gz uncompressed it, but there's no install file
[19:24] <BluesKaj> dbc254, why , just install kubuntu-restricted-extras or flashplugin-installer
[19:26] <BluesKaj> dbc254, sudo apt-get install kubuntu-restricted-extras , in the terminal , or use kpackagekit
[19:28] <afief_> Does anybody know how to install subclipse on Eclipse in kubuntu 11.10 ?
[19:36] <WayneBlackmon> Excuse me, I've got a dual monitor setup. An older Cinema Display and an emachines E19T6W. The emachines is working just fine, yet even though I've used the Cinema Display with the Linux install before it doesn't seem to recognize it.
[19:36] <WayneBlackmon> I'm running Kubuntu 11.04
[19:40] <WayneBlackmon> Hello? Is anyone actually listening?
[19:40] <BluesKaj> WayneBlackmon, Cinema Display? could you elaborate , I'm not familiar with that.
[19:41] <WayneBlackmon> It is an Apple Cinema Display from 2005.
[19:41] <WayneBlackmon> 20"
[19:43] <BluesKaj> like an Imac ? ..din't know, it accepted other input signals
[19:44] <WayneBlackmon> Back in 2005 the external monitors (the ones for the PowerMac or you might know it as a MacPro) used DVI so, kinda I suppose. The iMacs are all in ones. The MacPros and PowerMacs are towers with replacable, configurable monitors.
[19:46] <WayneBlackmon> Anyway though, in any case, Kubuntu 11.04, regardless of the fact I know it supports multiple monitors, is not detecting it.
[19:46] <WayneBlackmon> I've already checked all connections and it works on this machine when I boot to my Windows drive.
[19:47] <BluesKaj> ok, understood , try , sudo lshw -C video , to see if it it's even listed
[19:48] <WayneBlackmon> Nope - it's not showing.
[19:51] <WayneBlackmon> Actually, it specifically says:   *-display
[19:51] <WayneBlackmon>        description: VGA compatible controller
[19:51] <WayneBlackmon>        product: NV44 [GeForce 7100 GS]
[19:51] <WayneBlackmon>        vendor: nVidia Corporation
[19:51] <WayneBlackmon>        physical id: 0
[19:51] <WayneBlackmon>        bus info: pci@0000:02:00.0
[19:51] <FloodBotK1> WayneBlackmon: Please don't flood; use http://paste.ubuntu.com to paste; don't use Enter as punctuation.
[19:52] <BluesKaj> WayneBlackmon, yeah , that's your graphics card ..
[19:52] <WayneBlackmon> My graphics card usually gives no problems. But that's all it says.
[19:55] <WayneBlackmon> Should I try maybe updating my drivers??
[19:58] <BluesKaj> WayneBlackmon, did you choose the recommended driver in addtional drivers?
[19:59] <WayneBlackmon> Yes I did - I just got to looking around, opened the NVIDIA X Server settings and it shows my Cinema. It had it disabled for some reason, so thankfully the problem resovled itself.
[19:59] <BluesKaj> WayneBlackmon, glad to hear that
[20:00] <WayneBlackmon> Thanks for trying to help me there BluesKaj. I truly do appreciate it.
[20:00] <BluesKaj> np , WayneBlackmon
[20:01] <WayneBlackmon> Hey, BluesKaj, how do I restart the Xserver? (I'm a little rusty at the moment, lol)
[20:04] <BluesKaj> WayneBlackmon, drop to a tty , ctrl,alt,f1 , then sudo service kdm stop , then , sudo service kdm start , then ctrl,alt, f7 or f8
[20:07] <Daskreech> Poof
[20:09] <Kaleidoscope> When I use Dolphin to transfer music to my MP3 player, All the songs I added are cutting out about 2/3rds of the way through, Anyone got an idea why this might happen?
[20:23] <BluesKaj> WayneBlackmon , any luck ?
[20:24] <WayneBlackmon> Yeah, I'm having troubles now though because the transparency on the panels just disabled out of the blue.
[20:24] <WayneBlackmon> I don't know if it can't be transparent with multi monitors or not.
[20:26] <BluesKaj> depends on the desktop theme you chose
[20:26] <WayneBlackmon> I've got Air on.
[20:26] <WayneBlackmon> Oxygen.
[20:28] <BluesKaj> air isn't transparent ..oxygen as well
[20:29]  * yofel thought air was transparent..
[20:29] <WayneBlackmon> I don't understand - it was transparent when I used it before adding the second monitor.
[20:29] <WayneBlackmon> And it was when I had used the Mac monitor before hand as well.
[20:29] <yofel> check the desktop effects, maybe kwin disabled itself
[20:29] <yofel> er, disabled compositing
[20:29] <cher> yofel: If air is really transparent is heavily dependent on the amount of f*rts ;-) (j/k)
[20:30] <Bullrun> Lol
[20:30] <yofel> ...
[20:30] <WayneBlackmon> Well compositing is enabled.
[20:30] <yofel> well, I don't use it so won't disagree :P
[20:31] <cher> yofel: Good return, my respect!
[20:32] <cher> Does something like ALP (Sun Ray) exist for Kubuntu? Or is it possible to keep a desktop over logon / logoff with xdmcp these days?
[20:33] <BluesKaj> WayneBlackmon, glassified is transparent
[20:33] <WayneBlackmon> Hmm...I don't see glassified. When I first installed Kubuntu it was transparent though. :p
[20:34] <WayneBlackmon> I've found things are crazy now a days.
[20:34] <WayneBlackmon> I suppose I'll just have to live with opacity.
[20:34] <BluesKaj> just dl more themes
[20:35] <WayneBlackmon> I'll do that too, eventually.
[20:35] <WayneBlackmon> I've been meaning to get to work on my own, never quite got going on it as I'd like to though.
[20:35] <WayneBlackmon> and that may be partially because I never took the time to figure out where to start.
[20:54] <vbgunz_> when you miss a divider or a scroller and click elsewhere you grab the whole window and move it. how do I turn that off?
[20:56] <WayneBlackmon> Well my transparency came back.
[21:06] <vbgunz_> I found it. system settings > common appearance.. > application appearance > style > applications > configure. windows drag mode is there.
[21:08] <Shirakawasuna> I'm not sure if that's changeable, vbgunz_ (unless someone else already replied)
[21:08] <Shirakawasuna> I see in systemsettings > window behavior > window actions, it lumps together the settings for 'inner window, titlebar, and frame'
[21:13] <Shirakawasuna> has anyone here gotten google calendar to work with kdepim?  I've tried several guides and always fail.
[21:13] <vbgunz_> Shirakawasuna: I just posted the answer to dragging windows around by accident
[21:13] <Shirakawasuna> vbgunz_: I missed it, what was it?
[21:14] <vbgunz_> one sec
[21:14] <vbgunz_> [17:06] <vbgunz_> I found it. system settings > common appearance.. > application appearance > style > applications > configure. windows drag mode is there.
[21:14] <vbgunz_> I remember looking for this several times and always failing to find it
[21:15] <tobago> someone familiar with vim?
[21:16] <afief_> Shirakawasuna: I remember getting it to work through akondai, but that was at the begining of the 4.6 release
[21:21] <Shirakawasuna> vbgunz: that's a really weird place to have that option
[21:22] <vbgunz> Shirakawasuna: yeah, it's all spread out
[21:34] <cypha> can I make a window grow in step-wise fashion horizontally or vertically??
[21:39] <Linkmaster> can you use vlc to download online videos?
[21:50] <kinta> hi all
[22:00] <kinta> where can I find the default power profiles? I see only performance...
[22:01] <kinta> ok. I found it
[22:06] <Daskreech> cypha: yes
[22:07] <Daskreech> middle click or right click the maximize button
[22:07] <Daskreech> hi kinta
[22:07] <kinta> hi daskreech
[22:08] <Daskreech> vbgunz_: It's in the settings for Kwin
[22:08] <Daskreech> Decorations i think? empty space is draggable
[22:08] <Daskreech> Might be style
[22:08] <Daskreech>  Oh you found it never mind :)
[22:09] <Daskreech> tobago: question on vim?
[22:10] <Daskreech> hi kinta
[22:17] <markit> hi, 11.04 just installed, added backports ppa, but a full-upgrade wants to remove something like "kdebase-data{a} kdebase-runtime-data{a} kdebase-workspace-bin{a} kdebase-workspace-data{a}"... is a known issue or is it safe and will have kde 4.7 at the end? :)
[22:17] <yofel> markit: as long as kubuntu-desktop stays installed you're fine
[22:18] <Daskreech> markit: do you have kubuntu-desktop ?
[22:18] <yofel> kdebase has been renamed kdebase-workspace -> kde-workspace style
[22:18] <markit> ah, I see yofel
[22:19] <Daskreech> yofel: To be clear. Quintasan is providing telepathy from PPA but it's not shipping with the KDE 4.7 packages?
[22:20] <yofel> Daskreech: right
[22:20] <markit> btw, akonady default backend should be sqlite3 and not mysql! With mysql there is a 150MB empty subdir created for each user... I've a school with 300 students, you figure
[22:20] <yofel> IIRC they had issues with sqlite, talk to them in #akonadi
[22:21]  * Daskreech saunters over to Quintasan's bar
[22:21] <Daskreech> yofel: speed issues
[22:21] <markit> yofel: urgh, I've just installed akonadi-backend-sqlite3 package
[22:21] <markit> oh, well, I always disable akonady and nepomuk so is not issue :)
[22:22] <Daskreech> markit: I would guess that there is a "enterprise" shared setup you can configure
[22:23] <markit> Daskreech: well, I'm setting up ltsp server with kubuntu, I love kde but default/global settings are a nightmare... badly documented and nothing except a text editor and a lot of tests
[22:24] <markit> (you have to modify the setup for a user, find the modified file, diff with previous version, and then try to see if at global level the same setting works)
[22:24] <Daskreech> markit: What would you like documented?
[22:24] <kinta_> is plasma netbook running as it should?
[22:25] <markit> Daskreech: for instance, I would like to have thin clients (students) with only "log out" choice in the "Leave" option
[22:25] <markit> but did not found anything to setup
[22:26] <Daskreech> ah that can be done
[22:26] <Daskreech> But yes there is no documentation on how to do that
[22:26] <markit> :)
[22:26] <Daskreech> kinta_: strange question. I think you might be better able to answer that
[22:27] <markit> Daskreech: I had some issues really bad for a multiuser environment, if you are a dev and interested I could re-read my notes and list you most of them
[22:27] <markit> Daskreech: sending you by email
[22:27] <Daskreech> markit: how big are these note?
[22:28] <markit> (I'm very tired at the moment because I'm fighting with a new installation and had some hardware problems)
[22:28] <Daskreech>  I can onlyaccept 100MB by attachment ^_^
[22:28] <markit> Daskreech: oh, just some lines, lol
[22:28] <Daskreech> sure
[22:28] <markit> there have been less than 10 issues but produced a big loss of time and broken functionality
[22:29] <yofel> there are open bugs for all of them on bugs.kde.org of course? ;)
[22:32] <Daskreech> yofel: assumption? :-)
[22:32] <yofel> well, that's why I'm asking
[22:33] <kinta_> Daskkreech: I'm sorry, I want to ask if I am the only who have a Segmentation fault when switching the type of workspace to plasma netbook...
[22:33] <yofel> I've got enough bugsquad experience to know that assumptions get you knowhere
[22:33] <Daskreech> kinta_: hmm what version of KDE?
[22:33] <Daskreech> yofel: Yay bugsquad!
[22:33]  * Daskreech hugs yofel
[22:34] <kinta_> the last from ppa backport to natty
[22:34]  * yofel tries to switch to netbook
[22:35] <yofel> no crash
[22:35] <yofel> kinta_: can you please get a backtrace of the crash?
[22:35] <kinta_> ok just a minute
[22:36] <kinta_> im installing symbols...
[22:36] <yofel> sure
[22:38] <TheBuntu> on a acer netboot can i make kde panel like on a desktop.. or is the netbook stuck with that crapy look
[22:39] <yofel> TheBuntu: in system settings -> workspace behaviour -> workspace you can switch to desktop
[22:40] <TheBuntu> yofel: k thanks.... puting this on for my neice her win7 wants to keep starting in repair mode
[22:47] <markit> yofel: I will produce a list and try to send issues... but often is not a matter of specific bug, but the correct aproach for a safe multiuser environment
[22:48] <yofel> you could send it to the kde-devel mailing list, no idea if anything would happen though
[22:48] <markit> yofel: like not having thin clients able to hybernate the server :)
[22:48] <yofel> yep, *that* is bad ;)
[22:52] <janmalte> isn't kmail2 included in the current KDE SC 4.7 for Kubuntu?
[22:52] <kinta_> yofel: http://pastebin.com/7123cazn dont know if I have all the dbg packages :(
[22:52] <janmalte> i still have version 1.13.x
[22:52] <janmalte> thought it should come with this release?
[22:52] <yofel> janmalte: read the release notes on kubuntu.org
[22:53] <yofel> kinta_: do you have all updates installed?
[22:54] <janmalte> Ok, sorry
[22:54] <yofel> or at least install kdeplasma-addons-dbg
[22:54] <janmalte> i only read the kde news today
[22:54] <kinta_> yofel: let me see
[22:54] <janmalte> but is it stable enough for testing in a productiv enviroment?
[22:54] <yofel> janmalte: IMO kdepim 4.7 is fairly usable, but the feedback that we *have* isn't that positive
[22:55] <janmalte> ok, so settin up kmail2 on a second machine should be safe, no risk to lose all imap mails?
[22:56] <kinta_> kdeplasma-addons-dbg is installed
[22:56] <yofel> no, the kmail 1 config won't be touched, so even if you upgrade you should in theory be able to downgrade again
[22:56] <yofel> it will try to import the old settings of course
[22:57] <janmalte> ok, thank you for the information. i will test it and hopefully provide some positive feedback :)
[22:57] <yofel> kinta_: can you try to move your ~/.kde/share/config/plasma* files away and try then?
[22:58] <yofel> kinta_: in any case, IMO that's a KDE issue, so file a bug with drkonqi
[23:00] <kinta_> yofel: ok , thanks ;) i'll investigate
[23:14] <bobweaver_> hi there I am trying to make it so the obsidian coast color-theme is my default one so when I run something as root say dolphin the color scheme is obsidan coast I have replaced all files in /usr/share/kde4/apps/desktop-theme      and there is no default file ??     there has to be a file that I can swap out right question is where is that file
[23:18] <bazhang> bobweaver_, using kubuntu or ubuntu? you're posting in both channels, which makes it confusing
[23:18] <bobweaver_> kubuntu
[23:18] <bobweaver_> bazhang: kubuntu
[23:19] <bobweaver_> bazhang: I see how that could be confusing
[23:20] <linux-beginner-h> kmail2 migration crashed... what can I do now?
[23:20] <linux-beginner-h> can I restart the report?