[00:01] <wallyworld> rick_h_: running a minute late
[00:01] <wallyworld> in another meeting
[00:01] <rick_h_> wallyworld: ty for the heads up
[00:12] <rick_h_> menn0: got a sec?
[00:12] <menn0> rick_h_: sure
[00:12] <rick_h_> can you hop in https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/rick?authuser=1
[00:19] <thumper> wallyworld, menn0: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5294/diff/#
[00:25] <wallyworld> thumper: we are both talking to rick, will look soon
[00:26] <perrito666> bbl
[00:27] <thumper> ack
[00:36] <wallyworld> thumper: lgtm, ta
[00:36] <thumper> ta
[00:57] <alexisb> thumper, wallyworld, do we hvae anything in the release that will break cli scripts or thta are api changes??
[00:57] <alexisb> if so we need to send them to the list and note them in the release notes
[00:57] <wallyworld> alexisb: not this release. when i land my queued branch after the beta is cut, that will be an api change
[00:57] <alexisb> I didnt see anything, but it would be easy to miss something
[00:57] <alexisb> yep wallyworld I remember that one
[00:57] <wallyworld> alexisb: but even then, there's a shim for compatibility so stuff doesn't break
[00:57] <alexisb> as soon as htat lands we will need a note to juju-dev
[00:58] <wallyworld> yep
[00:58] <alexisb> menn0, did you see my draft note
[00:58] <alexisb> anything you want me to add/edit?
[00:58] <menn0> alexisb: sorry, I've been pulled all over the place
[00:58] <menn0> alexisb: looking right now!
[00:59] <alexisb> anastasiamac, how close are we to your PR landing?
[01:02] <anastasiamac> alexisb: it has not been reviewed
[01:02] <alexisb> o yeah, natefinch ^^^
[01:02] <alexisb> that one is critical
[01:02] <menn0> alexisb: done. Two small suggestions.
[01:02] <alexisb> if you are around
[01:02] <alexisb> menn0, thanks
[01:03] <natefinch> anastasiamac: link me?
[01:03] <anastasiamac> natefinch: the critical PR to review is: http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5291/
[01:03] <anastasiamac> natefinch: tyvm \o/
[01:46] <redir> later #juju-dev
[01:47] <alexisb> bye redir
[01:52] <blahdeblah> Hi all - anyone able to tell me what this means?  ERROR cannot upgrade service "prometheus" to charm "prometheus": storage "metrics-filesystem" removed
[01:52] <blahdeblah> ^ This is from an environment which, AFAICT, has never used juju storage
[01:54] <blahdeblah> ah, looks like it's https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1599503
[01:54] <mup> Bug #1599503: Cannot upgrade charm if storage is modified, even if the service doesn't use said storage <juju-core:Triaged> <juju-core 1.25:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1599503>
[01:55] <blahdeblah> Anyone able to suggest a workaround until such time as that bug is investigated?
[01:56] <alexisb> natefinch, just checking that you have anastasiamac review, otherwise I will allocate to someone else
[01:59] <natefinch> alexisb: I am looking at it.  unfortunately, I'm not super familiar with how image metadata is used
[02:00] <alexisb> natefinch, that is fine, so long  as you are looking at it I am good :)
[02:04] <anastasiamac> natefinch: m happy to pair up for review if it helps \o/ want to HO?
[02:06] <alexisb> thumper, when you get back please make sure to support anastasiamac in what she needs, I have left her with the "emailing to release team" task so I can eod.
[02:07] <alexisb> goodnight all!
[02:07] <anastasiamac> alexisb: nite!
[02:16] <natefinch> anastasiamac: HO that would be good, to help me understand what's going on, so I don't have to type out a bunch of dumb questions :)
[02:18] <anastasiamac> natefinch: awesome. ill create one right now
[02:19] <anastasiamac> natefinch: invite ine calendar/email
[02:24]  * thumper gets a cuppa before chasing up with menn0, anastasiamac, and wallyworld
[02:25] <wallyworld> thumper: flat white please
[02:25]  * anastasiamac does not nee to be chased. all  under control for now
[02:25] <anastasiamac> need*
[02:52] <anastasiamac> natefinch: PR updated... unless u want to PTAL, m reading for landing \o/
[02:53] <natefinch> anastasiamac: I gave you a fixit then shipit.  That means I trust you to fix the problems.  If I didn't, it wouldn't get the shipit :)
[02:53] <anastasiamac> natefinch: u r awesome. pm pressing the button then ;D
[02:53] <natefinch> do it! :)_
[02:57] <anastasiamac> blahdeblah: raised 1599503 to critical to be addressed in next beta. but when u say "production", what version of juju are u using? 1.25.6?
[03:03] <mup> Bug #1605449 opened: juju2: command error message (usage) consistency <landscape> <usability> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605449>
[03:04] <thumper> wallyworld: wanna catch up?
[03:05] <thumper> anastasiamac: all good?
[03:05] <wallyworld> sure
[03:05] <anastasiamac> thumper: of course :D always, sir!
[03:05] <thumper> anastasiamac: do we have everything landed we need to?
[03:05] <anastasiamac> thumper: landing now. will send an email once it's done..
[03:05] <anastasiamac> almost there...
[03:33] <mup> Bug #1605383 changed: Tab complete causes traceback when trying to tab-complete juju commands <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605383>
[03:46] <wallyworld> thumper: fyi, that unit storage bug is a legit issue when destroying machines; no user warning needed, just a code fix it appears
[03:47] <thumper> cool
[04:19] <natefinch> wallyworld: how come add-credential requires the cloud/provider name on the CLI, but prompts for everything else?
[04:20] <wallyworld> natefinch: the info we were given asked that add-credential take a cloud name as a positional arg. i guess that doesn't have to be the case. i think the expectation was that the user knew what cloud they were adding a credential for since they would do it as they wanted to bootstrap that cloud
[04:23] <natefinch> wallyworld: in theory they know all the information they're prompted for :)
[04:24] <wallyworld> huh? that's sort of irrelevant to thr question at hand. the point of add-credential is to get what they know and have juju record it in credentials.yaml. the current add-credential simpy exapcts them to nominate what cloud they are adding a credential for
[04:28] <natefinch> wallyworld: I just mean, saying they know what cloud they want to add credential for doesn't seem like much of an argument, they should know what name they want to call the credential, too, etc.  It just seems weird to require one specific positional arg, but prompt for everything else.
[04:30] <wallyworld> the use case is that they know what cloud they want to bootstrap, so instead of going through a step of prompting for that, short circuit it and just rompt for the bits that need to be interactive. but that's just one way of looking at it and was in the spec we were given
[04:30] <wallyworld> no reason why it couldn't prompt for cloud name if not supplied
[04:39] <natefinch> I think it would be more user friendly if we did that..  it would also put it in line with how bootstrap works (i.e. if there's no arguments, go into interactive mode).
[04:41] <natefinch> anyway, I gotta get to bed, and plan on how to move to Canada if Trump becomes President
[04:44] <blahdeblah> anastasiamac: thanks, but yeah - 2.x is not any good to us; it's *production*, not "production", and it's all 1.2x :-)
[04:45] <blahdeblah> anastasiamac: For now I just worked around it by reverting the charm storage code to the way it was previously.  I'm about to test the upgrade now.
[05:49] <anastasiamac> blahdeblah: ack
[09:03] <babbageclunk> frobware: is there a standup today? or is that leftover from the old meetings?
[09:07] <frobware> babbageclunk: left over
[09:07] <babbageclunk> :(
[09:07] <frobware> sorry
[09:10] <babbageclunk> frobware: might pop my head into the Rick team standup today just for some interaction. (:
[09:10] <frobware> babbageclunk: sure
[10:04] <mup> Bug #1544724 changed: repeatedly checks /dev/fd0 when it doesnt even exist <juju-core:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1544724>
[10:52] <mup> Bug #1605593 opened: Fix missleading values in error message: x is not a valid distro_series. <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605593>
[11:12] <perrito666> morning
[11:15] <babbageclunk> Has anyone had any luck using go-guru on the juju codebase?
[11:16] <perrito666> babbageclunk: I believe my vim-go setup uses it
[11:18] <babbageclunk> perrito666: If I try to find callees using juju/juju/... as the scope one of my cores just shoots to 100% and nothing else happens.
[11:19] <perrito666> babbageclunk: a I usually don't
[11:20] <perrito666> but sound plausible, especially if it doesnt have any caching policy
[13:17] <rick_h_> macgreagoir: ping, morning
[13:17] <macgreagoir> rick_h_: g'day
[13:18] <rick_h_> macgreagoir: howdy, as OCR today I wanted to ping and see if you can get a chance to peek at http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5290/ before your EOD please
[13:19] <macgreagoir> rick_h_: I had tried earlier, but struggled to understand it to review. I will look again.
[13:19] <rick_h_> macgreagoir: k, wrangle up someone to pair up with you then, get a hangout and go over it together
[13:19] <macgreagoir> ack
[13:19] <rick_h_> macgreagoir: and run down using the review checklist which should help at least knock out chunks of the review
[13:20] <babbageclunk> perrito666: Turned out I was using way too broad a scope - setting something more specific churned for a bit but then gave good results.
[13:20] <rick_h_> macgreagoir: so your pair'ing partner can limit down to things you have questions/uncertaintly on
[13:20] <rick_h_> dooferlad: can you take a few to meet up with macgreagoir to help please? ^
[13:21] <rick_h_> macgreagoir: and in the future if you look but aren't sure make sure to leave a comment to the effect in the PR so we can see where the PR stands/etc.
[13:21] <dooferlad> rick_h_: macgreagoir sure
[13:21] <rick_h_> ty much dooferlad
[13:22] <dooferlad> macgreagoir: give me a moment to refill my water. Melting here.
[13:22] <macgreagoir> nw
[13:25] <macgreagoir> dooferlad: I'm in the quartz ho, when you're ready.
[13:45] <natefinch> gsamfira: you around?
[13:49] <natefinch> sinzui: do you have a windows 2012 machine I could RDP into to check out its TLS support?
[13:51] <sinzui> natefinch: developer-win-unit-tester.vapour.ws
[13:55] <sinzui> natefinch: check your email for info about connecting
[13:56] <sinzui> natefinch: and I promised alexisb that I will get a google doc explaining access to all CI hosts so that hyou don't need to wait for me
[14:00] <natefinch> sinzui: awesome, thanks :)
[14:02] <rick_h_> dooferlad: ping for standup
[14:14] <mup> Bug #1564662 changed: Juju binaries should be stripped <packaging> <juju-core:Fix Released> <juju-core (Ubuntu):Fix Released> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1564662>
[14:17] <katco> redir: ping
[14:20] <mup> Bug #1605653 opened: backup-restore failed creating collection juju.blockdevices <backup-restore> <ci> <regression> <xenial> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605653>
[14:23] <mup> Bug #1605653 changed: backup-restore failed creating collection juju.blockdevices <backup-restore> <ci> <regression> <xenial> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605653>
[14:28] <frobware> macgreagoir: want to touch base with the relations bug?
[14:29] <macgreagoir> frobware: Yes, please. Standup HO?
[14:29] <frobware> macgreagoir: 10mins
[14:29] <macgreagoir> nw
[14:38] <mup> Bug #1605653 opened: backup-restore failed creating collection juju.blockdevices <backup-restore> <ci> <regression> <xenial> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605653>
[14:47] <marcoceppi> balloons sinzui we havne't been putting beta builds into homebrew, this is problematic
[14:48] <frobware> macgreagoir: in standup HO for whenever works
[14:48] <sinzui> marcoceppi: homebrew think juju2 is problematic
[14:48] <marcoceppi> why.
[14:49] <sinzui> marand I ahve been working with them to put juju2 into homebrew
[14:49] <sinzui> marcoceppi: it is not compatible with juju 1. Users will get an update and break
[14:49] <redir> katco:pong
[14:50] <marcoceppi> we should just build a `juju load-credentials` which takes .juju/environments.yaml and converts it
[14:50] <sinzui> marcoceppi: This the the current PR after other were abandoned https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-devel-only/pull/47
[14:50] <katco> redir: hey i was just looking at your race condition again trying to understand what i missed. i'm leaving a comment on the PR
[14:50] <katco> redir: aside from the race detector complaining, are we seeing an actual issue from this?
[14:51] <balloons> sinzui, sigh.. they killed the other PR in the end eh
[14:53] <sinzui> balloons: yes. The direction is for users to install juju or juju2 they conflict. the user chooses the version tehy need.
[14:53] <sinzui> balloons: marcoceppi: The killer was the fact that juju's plugin detection is bong
[14:54] <marcoceppi> what does bong mean?
[14:56] <redir> katco: ResetStats could change (create a new one with copied values) or SetStats could remove (setting to nil) the underlying stats object during access.
[14:58] <redir> katco: AFAIU Stats is only used in testing. So I think it is possible to get wrong results, but as to whether we were seeing them -- I don't know
[15:02] <stokachu> marcoceppi: something that takes the sticky icky?
[15:18] <katco> redir: i think the point i was going to make is invalid. i am worried that we have a logic race in our tests that this will fix, but at the wrong logical level
[15:20] <mgz> OCR: review please, http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5295/
[15:24] <macgreagoir> mgz: ack
[15:26] <mup> Bug #1605669 opened: grant-revoke User could not check status with read permission <blocker> <ci> <grant> <regression> <juju-core:In Progress by gz> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605669>
[15:31] <mgz> macgreagoir: if it didn't get through before I dropped...
[15:31] <mgz> for simiplicty, compare with http://reviews.vapour.ws/r/5205 - it should be the inverse
[16:01] <macgreag1ir> mgz redir: 5295 +1 from me too. mgz, thanks for the 5205 link.
[16:02] <mgz> thanks guys
[16:08] <frobware> dooferlad: it's something (ip6tables, et al) between my libvirt interface and the host that causes the packets to get dropped. see nothing obvious atm
[16:12] <dooferlad> frobware: :-(
[16:28] <macgreagoir> frobware: lp:1603473 updated. The work-around may not be helpful to the containers (if they just grab all active interfaces), but we'll see if it starts to help, at least.
[16:31] <frobware> macgreagoir: thanks
[16:38] <mup> Bug # changed: 1592456, 1600404, 1603865, 1604223
[17:32] <rick_h_> katco: ping
[17:32] <katco> rick_h_: pong
[17:32] <rick_h_> katco: can I steal some time?
[17:32] <katco> rick_h_: sure
[17:32] <rick_h_> katco: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/canonical.com/rick?authuser=1
[17:33] <alexisb> frobware, ping
[17:33] <frobware> alexisb: pong
[17:33] <alexisb> heya frobware happy friday
[17:33] <alexisb> on this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/juju-core/+bug/1604482
[17:33] <mup> Bug #1604482: MAAS bridge script should drop all 'source' stanzas from original file <2.0> <network> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1604482>
[17:34] <alexisb> why is it critical if there is a workaround
[17:36] <frobware> alexisb: so... people keep running into this. and the behaviour is subtly broken when it happens. I wanted to say "when juju boostraps your node, we will fix networking for you"
[17:37] <frobware> alexisb: I did originally take the opinion that we should rely on the workaround, but the curtin fix has not landed and it has been >4 ? weeks now
[17:37] <alexisb> so that bug requires a curtain fix?
[17:37] <frobware> alexisb: happy to drop the priority
[17:38] <frobware> alexisb: there fix is committed, but not released. needs to get out of proposed
[17:38] <alexisb> lets keep it on our radar but make it high
[17:38] <alexisb> frobware, thanks for the info, I will leave you to your day now
[17:38] <frobware> alexisb: fine for me
[17:54]  * rick_h_ EOD's to pack and get ready to get out of here tonight. If anyone needs anything hit me up on my phone via email, telegram, or such
[17:58]  * mgz sends smoke signals to rick_h
[17:58] <mgz> *have*
[17:58] <mgz> *a*
[17:58] <mgz> *good*
[17:58] <mgz> *flight*
[18:07] <perrito666> runRawTransaction is the one that doesnt do the model uuid mangling right?
[18:11] <mup> Bug #1605710 opened: Fix and reland axw/cli-model-owner <ci> <grant> <juju-core:Triaged by axwalk> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605710>
[18:11] <mup> Bug #1605714 opened: juju2 beta11: LXD containers always pending on ppc64el systems <oil> <oil-2.0> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605714>
[18:16] <redir> so master is unblocked?
[18:16] <alexisb> redir, yes sir
[18:17] <redir> SO I can $$merge$$?
[18:17] <katco> CRAP! quick someone block it!
[18:17] <alexisb> yes sir
[18:17] <alexisb> katco, it is staying unblocked tell thursday
[18:17] <katco> noooo
[18:17] <alexisb> but if you cause a regression you will get assigned to it as your top priority
[18:17] <katco> i... i can write a race condition in if you want
[18:17]  * redir light some firecrackers and pops champagne
[18:17] <alexisb> katco, its your own pain ;)
[18:19] <redir> great someone put conflicts in my way
[18:20] <alexisb> alright all, I am off for a quick ride, back in about an hour
[18:20] <alexisb> happy merging
[18:20] <redir> have a good ride
[19:04] <natefinch> oh internet explorer.... thanks for wrapping this plainttext file I downloaded in <html><body><pre>
[19:12] <natefinch> ahh... windows is so crappy
[19:42] <kwmonroe> hey.  i friggin love beta12.  nice work folks!!  (resource-get slowness was killing me, i feel alive again now)
[19:46] <natefinch> kwmonroe: awesome! :)
[19:53] <mup> Bug #1605747 opened: [ juju2 beta11 ] Maas system is deployed but agent remains pending <oil> <oil-2.0> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605747>
[20:00] <natefinch> gah... I cannot for the life of me get .net to use tls 1.2
[20:01] <perrito666> natefinch: the language?
[20:02] <natefinch> the framework, yeah.  in this case I'm calling it from powershell... but it always requests tls 1.1 as the highest value
[20:07] <natefinch> ah... beacuse it's .net 4.0
[20:09] <natefinch> well shit
[20:09] <perrito666> just .net get a new ver... oh, thats right, you cant
[20:10] <perrito666> </trollface<
[20:10] <natefinch> lol, juju depends on .net 4.5, evidently ;)
[20:10] <perrito666> natefinch: since when exactly?
[20:11] <perrito666> it used to work with windows 2k images that, afaik, have 4.0
[20:11]  * perrito666 admits his knowledge of the ungo-ly word of windows :p
[20:11] <natefinch> but recently we changed to only supporting TLS 1.2
[20:11] <natefinch> and 4.0 doesn't support TLS 1.2 as far as I can tell
[20:12] <perrito666> ahh, I see
[20:12] <natefinch> our userdata uses powershell, which uses .net
[20:12] <perrito666> that is indeed a problem, because windows 2k is a very popular hipervisor img
[20:12] <perrito666> and I dont even want to think in the consequences of upgrading .net
[20:13] <perrito666> mm, isnt there a 3rd party .net implementation of tls 1.2?
[20:13] <perrito666> that happens to be floss?
[20:13] <perrito666> or a patch? or something?
[20:15] <alexisb> kwmonroe, be sure to make use of all the extra time
[20:19] <natefinch> well, I thinj the OS itself supports TLS 1.2, it's just that .net 4.0 doesn't use it, because of windows XP compatibility (at least that was suggested in an article I read, and sounds plausible)
[20:22] <redir> should things work on mongo 3.2?
[20:22] <perrito666> redir: things is a broad word mate
[20:23] <perrito666> statistically speaking, stuff should not work in mongo 3.2
[20:23] <perrito666> for most values of stuff
[20:23] <perrito666> juju is not one of those though, it should just work (except for the tests, those wont)
[20:23] <natefinch> well, I thinj the OS itself supports TLS 1.2, it's just that .net 4.0 doesn't use it, because of windows XP compatibility (at least that was suggested in an article I read, and sounds plausible)
[20:23] <mup> Bug #1577949 changed: windows services cannot upgrade to 1.25.6 <ci> <regression> <upgrade-juju> <windows> <juju-core:Invalid> <juju-core 1.25:Fix Released by cherylj> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1577949>
[20:23] <mup> Bug #1605756 opened: [ juju2 beta11 ] system show up in juju status as pending but there is no attempt to deploy in maas <oil> <oil-2.0> <juju-core:New> <MAAS:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605756>
[20:24] <alexisb> look at perrito666 picking up aussie slang, nice job mate!
[20:24] <perrito666> I might be spending too much time with down unders
[20:24] <redir> perrito666: juju
[20:25] <redir> I see so tests won't pass
[20:25] <redir> so no juju doesn't work with 3.2 yet
[20:25] <perrito666> if you increase timeout to something near 2 days they will actually
[20:25] <natefinch> lol
[20:26] <perrito666> for 10 points, guess what is the part of juju that does not work well with mongo 3.2?
[20:26] <natefinch> uh, the part that uses mongo?
[20:26] <alexisb> lol
[20:26] <redir> mmm it doesn't even find it's path
[20:27] <perrito666> no one will say juju-conn suite?
[20:27] <perrito666> redir: ah, that is new
[20:27] <natefinch> heh.... we said tests
[20:27] <perrito666> redir: you have to tell the tests where is mongo
[20:27] <natefinch> the tests are what, like 10x slower on 3.2?
[20:27] <perrito666> natefinch: I think it was 100x
[20:27] <natefinch> OMG
[20:28] <perrito666> we deviced a way so they would run at the same speed, it required some hacking of the mongo options plus a ramdisk plus I cant recall what other thing
[20:28] <perrito666> its all the fault of the new storage for mongo, it is fast for anything but what we do in the tests
[20:28] <perrito666> if you make the tests run with the legacy storage they pass fast
[20:29] <perrito666> the thing is, that storage engine is EOL
[20:29]  * perrito666 knows more about this subject than he would like
[20:30] <redir> perrito666: finds it if I set JUJU_MONGOD
[20:30] <perrito666> yes, that is the one
[20:31] <redir> and unintstall all the old mongos
[20:31] <perrito666> the mongo using tests are not all that smart
[20:31] <redir> which I did first
[20:31] <perrito666> I have another adjectives for it
[20:31] <redir> I have a few myself
[20:31] <perrito666> lol
[20:31] <redir> but thought I'd try out the tests while I shepherd some merges
[20:31] <perrito666> this deserves t-shirts
[20:31] <redir> with the new mongo pkg
[20:32] <perrito666> redir: unless you intend to be merging for ~30min*100 better try something else
[20:32] <redir> 10gen printed plenty of shirts
[20:32] <redir> which might be part of the problem
[20:32] <redir> perrito666: 3 merges...
[20:33] <redir> ~ 27 minutes each
[20:33] <redir> last one starting now
[20:39] <perrito666> oh, so its 20 days, you might want to find something else to do
[20:42] <mup> Bug #1575794 changed: Agent config format version should be changed for 2.0 <juju-release-support> <rc1> <tech-debt> <juju-core:Fix Released by anastasia-macmood> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1575794>
[20:42] <mup> Bug #1584565 changed: Documentation regarding user management is out of date <helpdocs> <usability> <juju-core:Fix Released by macgreagoir> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1584565>
[20:42] <mup> Bug #1590947 changed: TestCertificateUpdateWorkerUpdatesCertificate failures on windows <intermittent-failure> <tech-debt> <unit-tests> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590947>
[20:45] <mup> Bug #1575794 opened: Agent config format version should be changed for 2.0 <juju-release-support> <rc1> <tech-debt> <juju-core:Fix Released by anastasia-macmood> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1575794>
[20:45] <mup> Bug #1584565 opened: Documentation regarding user management is out of date <helpdocs> <usability> <juju-core:Fix Released by macgreagoir> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1584565>
[20:45] <mup> Bug #1590947 opened: TestCertificateUpdateWorkerUpdatesCertificate failures on windows <intermittent-failure> <tech-debt> <unit-tests> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590947>
[20:48] <natefinch> weird, it says we have .net framework 4.5 installed, but powershell is still using 4.0
[20:52] <natefinch> nope, I'm wrong... .net 4.5 is clr version 4.0.30319.17001 - 18400 ... makes perfect sense
[20:54] <mup> Bug #1575794 changed: Agent config format version should be changed for 2.0 <juju-release-support> <rc1> <tech-debt> <juju-core:Fix Released by anastasia-macmood> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1575794>
[20:54] <mup> Bug #1584565 changed: Documentation regarding user management is out of date <helpdocs> <usability> <juju-core:Fix Released by macgreagoir> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1584565>
[20:54] <mup> Bug #1590947 changed: TestCertificateUpdateWorkerUpdatesCertificate failures on windows <intermittent-failure> <tech-debt> <unit-tests> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1590947>
[20:54] <mup> Bug #1605767 opened: MachineSuite.TearDownTest no reachable servers <ci> <intermittent-failure> <regression> <unit-tests> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605767>
[21:18] <mup> Bug #1605769 opened: LXD Bootstrap Failure: Cannot add new machine <bootstrap> <lxd-provider> <ui> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605769>
[21:18] <mup> Bug #1605770 opened: firewallerSuite.TearDownTest inst.Dial() failed <ci> <intermittent-failure> <regression> <unit-tests> <juju-core:Incomplete> <juju-core 1.25:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605770>
[21:18] <mup> Bug #1605776 opened: annot dial mongo to initiate replicaset: no reachable servers <bootstrap> <ci> <mongodb> <regression> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605776>
[21:42] <mup> Bug #1605777 opened: munna/juju2 is too slow to deploy windows images <ci> <maas-provider> <regression> <windows> <juju-ci-tools:Triaged> <juju-core:Triaged> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605777>
[21:55] <alexisb> alrighty all, spending some time with family after a long week and before  I travel
[21:55] <alexisb> have a great weekend everyone
[21:58] <katco> alexlist: tc
[21:58] <katco> oops mt
[22:18] <mup> Bug #1605790 opened: Unable to initialize agent <vpil> <juju-core:New> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1605790>
[23:07] <redir> perrito666: the full suite on 3.2 only takes about 2 minutes longer than 2.6 for me.
[23:10] <perrito666> redir: nice, most likely using the old storage engine
[23:10] <perrito666> if not, wow


[22:10] <k1l> Eino_: your only chance is to calm down. your tone is not helping and not motivating others to help you
[22:11] <darkhelmet46> Monotoko, Here was my idea, technically the bootloader must already be installed, otherwise I wouldn't be able to dual-boot to the Wubi install of Ubuntu, correct?  So can I just edit the existing bootloader and give it the new path?
[22:11] <raydeo> anyone have tips on determining why a filesystem won't unmount? I have a lvm-over-luks setup and cannot close the luks device (after deactivating lvm) http://paste.ubuntu.com/5559891/
[22:11] <Monotoko> darkhelmet46, not exactly... it's the Windows bootloader that boots into WUBI
[22:11] <blackroseblade> will 3D acceleration work with this?
[22:11] <Eino_> SolarisBoy: what kind of support channel this is then?
[22:11] <k1l> blackroseblade: that will install 304.43 nvidia driver
[22:11] <blackroseblade> And how does it differ from the 310?
[22:11] <SolarisBoy> Eino_: a free one
[22:11] <darkhelmet46> mono Crap.
[22:11] <Eino_> it would be nice if I can trust official support channels
[22:11] <darkhelmet46> Monotoko, Crap.
[22:11] <Eino_> one says one thing and another another
[22:11] <dryhay> hi. I'm missing my ibus sometimes. could someone check it, please: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2116673
[22:12] <SolarisBoy> Eino_: it doesn't matter who it is tell you something. support or not. have some common sense about your self.
[22:12] <Monotoko> darkhelmet46, you need the GRUB bootloader which it can't install from the Wubi for whatever reason... but you can still do the transfer, then just boot from the LiveCD and install the bootloader from there
[22:12] <Eino_> SolarisBoy: ok, could you then please tell me how to undo that?
[22:12] <blackroseblade> I thought that the latest nvidia 310 releases improved a lot on 3d accel on linux?
[22:12] <SolarisBoy> Eino_: im investigating.
[22:12] <Eino_> of course i could end my life with format /
[22:12] <Eino_> *sudo format /
[22:12] <darkhelmet46> Monotoko, I will try that.  I believe it did everything except install Grub, so I should be able to burn a liveCD and do that.  What would be the procedure?
[22:12] <Eino_> SolarisBoy: ok :)
[22:12] <k1l> blackroseblade: install nvidia-experimental-310 if you want 310. or if you need it. but be aware of that experimental
[22:13] <SolarisBoy> whats format?
[22:13] <SolarisBoy> heh
[22:13] <bekks> SolarisBoy: echo|format ;)
[22:13] <blackroseblade> What about 313 then? All of them are certified apparently.
[22:13] <SolarisBoy> lol
[22:13] <Monotoko> darkhelmet46, same procedure as here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows
[22:13] <blackroseblade> Not WHQL I mean, but certified for unix
[22:13] <SolarisBoy> alias format="dd"
[22:13] <Eino_> sudo format /
[22:13] <Eino_> will that work?
[22:13] <Eino_> xD
[22:13] <SolarisBoy> dude... dont worry about that
[22:13] <bekks> Eino_: No. That command does not exist.
[22:13] <darkhelmet46> Monotoko, Thanks I will give it a shot.  Question, the LiveCD I have is probably from version 8 or 9 of Ubuntu, do you think that matters?
[22:14] <k1l> blackroseblade: be aware of that experimental
[22:14] <Eino_> oh
[22:14] <SolarisBoy> lol he was ready to do it too...
[22:14] <Monotoko> darkhelmet46, you should probably use the latest
[22:14] <SolarisBoy> smh -
[22:14] <blackroseblade> Hmmm, alright then kll, I'll stick with nvidia current.
[22:14] <Ast001> hello I can not make my wireless keyboard and mouse to work under ubuntu 12.04. Here is pastebin: Bus 001 Device 004: ID 05fe:0011 Chic Technology Corp. Browser Mouse can you help me ?
[22:14] <Shizuo> STOP THE HATE
[22:14] <Eino_> sudo rmdir / could be cool?
[22:14] <Eino_> :D
[22:14] <Ast001> ops sorry http://pastebin.ca/2316927
[22:14] <k1l> Eino_: what is the issue now?
[22:14] <bekks> Eino_: No. Posting nonsense like that is NOT cool.
[22:14] <neirpyc> blackroseblade, are you on a Macbook?
[22:14] <k1l> Eino_: do you want help or just rant and flame?
[22:14] <blackroseblade> Now, for my original query. How can I turn my liveusb persistent?
[22:14] <Monotoko> darkhelmet46, I can't remember when... but at some point they switched from GRUB to GRUB2
[22:15] <blackroseblade> neirpyc: no, ordinary desktop
[22:15] <gordon_> i am using nvidia current and get video glitches with my card
[22:15] <blackroseblade> intel, kingston ram, nvidia card, the works
[22:15] <Eino_> To undo command: 00:03] <wiggmpk> Eino_: sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 [00:04] <wiggmpk> Eino_: then "sudo apt-get update" then "sudo apt-get install steam64"
[22:15] <Eino_> i mean this: sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
[22:15] <Eino_> must undo it
[22:16] <SolarisBoy> Eino_: can you paste the output of dpkg --print-foreign-architectures and dpkg --print-architecture (to paste bin)
[22:16] <rickb> i wish ubuntu supported the gforce gfx 560 :(
[22:16] <blackroseblade> rickb: i thought nvidia's latest drivers do support it?
[22:16] <blackroseblade> It's about nvidia, not ubuntu iirc
[22:17] <wiggmpk> SolarisBoy: couldn't he just remove the entry from /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch?
[22:17] <rickb> true but the latest drivers just break X
[22:17] <Monotoko> rickb, there's a special way to install them
[22:17] <Eino_> SolarisBoy: ok
[22:17] <SolarisBoy> i guess - i never used that argument
[22:17] <rickb> Monotoko: adding the repo and then installin the package?
[22:17] <Monotoko> rickb, no... hold on let me find what I used
[22:17] <rickb> oh cool
[22:17] <Eino_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5559913/
[22:18] <SolarisBoy> i was reading the man page to confirm - if you know that you can do it wiggmpk may as well suggest huh?
[22:18] <neirpyc> Monotoko, what trick is that? When I try to install nvidia-current-updates on my Macbook, it wrecks everything when it tries to start x.
[22:18] <gordon_> how do you see what is on your system (hardware)
[22:18] <rickb> gordon_: sudo lspci |more
[22:18] <Eino_> dpkg: virhe: --print-foreign-architectures ei tarvitse määrittelyjä = dpkg: error: --print-foreign-architectures does not need prefences
[22:18] <Eino_> or something..
[22:18] <SolarisBoy> lshw too
[22:18] <_d4vid> hello guys i have a questions after install 12.04.2 i become kernel 3.5 or need upgrade from 3.2 to 3.5 version of kernel? please help me
[22:19] <SolarisBoy> Eino_: thats incorrect sytax in your paste
[22:19] <Monotoko> rickb, here: http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/ubuntu-quetzal-nvidia.html
[22:19] <SolarisBoy> it's two commands
[22:19] <Monotoko> you need to install the kernel sources first
[22:19] <Eino_> oh
[22:19] <Eino_> xD
[22:19] <SolarisBoy> remove the and and press enter instead
[22:19] <Monotoko> so it can build the modules and not break X in the process
[22:19] <rickb> Monotoko: thank you, i'm already botched.
[22:19] <rickb> that helps
[22:20] <neirpyc> Monotoko, when I tried that, it just kept telling me that the linux-headers and stuff weren't needed and wanted to autoremove them. Is that normal?
[22:20] <rickb> ok imma go try this.
[22:20] <Eino_> http://paste.ubuntu.com/5559915/
[22:20] <rickb> neirpyc: macs are all messed up with anything not mac lol
[22:20] <rickb> brb
[22:20] <SolarisBoy> why is --add-architecture not in the man page for dpkg?
[22:20] <gordon_> is there a way to see what specific video card is on my system or what ubuntu thinks it is
[22:20] <Monotoko> neirpyc, was this after you installed the drivers?
[22:21] <_d4vid> anybody can answer me?
[22:21] <Eino_> SolarisBoy: what?
[22:21] <_d4vid> please
[22:21] <_d4vid> guys
[22:21] <Fah> Anyone running ubuntu on a macbook pro? I need to pass the kernel some options when it boots so i can fix my nvidia driver. How do you pause the efi boot loader?
[22:21] <_d4vid> hello guys i have a questions after install 12.04.2 i become kernel 3.5 or need upgrade from 3.2 to 3.5 version of kernel? please help me
[22:21] <Ast001> can you help me with this wireless keyboard and mouse ? http://pastebin.ca/2316931
[22:21] <Monotoko> _d4vid, you see how many people are coming and asking questions? It's verry very difficult to keep up with everyone
[22:21] <_d4vid> Monotoko, iam sorry
[22:21] <Eino_> SolarisBoy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5559915/
[22:21] <bencevans> portlane.se.quakenet.org
[22:22] <neirpyc> Monotoko, if I install the nvidia-current-updates and reboot, my screen turns off after grub.
[22:22] <blackroseblade> I'm pretty familiar with IRC and netiquette, but still i gotta ask. How is a person supposed to keep track of their question in here?
[22:22] <Monotoko> _d4vid, generally you leave the kernel alone... what are you trying to do?
[22:22] <blackroseblade> if I've not been answered in 10 minutes can I assume that I need to repeat my question?
[22:22] <blackroseblade> especially since we have such a huge amount of users in here.
[22:22] <Monotoko> blackroseblade, didn't I answer your question?
[22:22] <SolarisBoy> Eino_: try this 'sudo mv /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch /tmp && dpkg --print-foreign-architectures'
[22:23] <blackroseblade> Monotoko: I'm sorry, I meant my original query.
[22:23] <blackroseblade> About making a liveusb persistent.
[22:23] <neirpyc> Monotoko, I've tried uninstalling nvidia from the login terminal if I pass "text" then installing the linux-headers then reinstalling but I get the same thing with the screen turning off.
[22:23] <Eino_> mv: tiedoston ”/etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/multiarch” tilaa ei voi lukea: Tiedostoa tai hakemistoa ei ole
[22:23] <_d4vid> Monotoko, my questions was .. i will to install 12.04.2 but i dont know what for version kernel i become after install 3.2 or 3.5?
[22:23] <Eino_> cant read because no directory
[22:23] <k1l> _d4vid: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2076905&page=2
[22:23] <SolarisBoy> =0
[22:23] <Monotoko> blackroseblade, I answered that one too... have a look at unetbootin
[22:23] <SolarisBoy> Eino_: ls -l /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg.d/
[22:23] <Monotoko> it'll allow to create a USB drive with persistent storage
[22:24] <Eino_> at total 0
[22:24] <_d4vid> k1l, thank you .. also 3.5?
[22:24] <k1l> _d4vid: with .2 you will have the new kernel stack. when upgrading from .1 you neeed to add a package to get new kernel
[22:24] <_d4vid> k1l, no i will new install not upgrade
[22:25] <blackroseblade> Yeah but can't I change my current one to persistence? I'll google up unetbootin
[22:25] <Eino_> SolarisBoy: It says translated: "at total 0"
[22:25] <Monotoko> blackroseblade, I don't think so
[22:25] <blackroseblade> What about this: http://shallowsky.com/blog/linux/install/ubuntu-persistent-live-cd.html
[22:25] <blackroseblade> I tried that, except the target was invalid(not found)
[22:25] <SolarisBoy> not sure then
[22:26] <_d4vid> k1l, danke dir mehrmals..
[22:26] <Eino_> oh god i hate this channel.. and canoncial.. one people say "do it" other say "don't do it"
[22:26] <SolarisBoy> all thats going to do apparently is make you not have to type --force-architecture when you install things (if you had to when you instsalled it) anyway
[22:26] <blackroseblade> Eino_: Welcome to irc :p
[22:27] <SolarisBoy> lol
[22:27] <Monotoko> Eino_, we're a community... with lots of different opinions on different things
[22:27] <blackroseblade> ^
[22:27] <Eino_> ok
[22:27] <Eino_> but now please teach e
[22:27] <Eino_> how to install steam
[22:27] <Monotoko> Eino_, no idea... haven't tried it yet I'm afraid
[22:27] <k1l> Eino_: last time: stop that ranting and flaming
[22:27] <Eino_> the .deb file provided in steam wiki does not wor
[22:27] <Eino_> k
[22:27] <k1l> Eino_: install it through softwarecenter?
[22:27] <blackroseblade> sensei, share the lore of your people~!
[22:28] <Eino_> Kll: it does not found it
[22:28] <blackroseblade> kll that wouldn't work
[22:28] <Eino_> how to add the reporsietioytidkldfjl
[22:28] <OerHeks> Eino_, good start > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Valve
[22:28] <SolarisBoy> whammy
[22:28] <blackroseblade> that and steam's own forums Eino_
[22:28] <bd___> Eino_: steam should appear in the USC. What version are you at?
[22:28] <Monotoko> blackroseblade, what's wrong with redoing the drive... if it's not persistent anyway?
[22:28] <SolarisBoy> oh no - thats doing something crazy - whaaaat.... documentation... heh
[22:28] <Eino_> 12.10 64Bit AMD64
[22:28] <blackroseblade> I ah. Trying to set it persistent using installers doesn't exactly seem to work. :|
[22:29] <k1l> Eino_: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2012/12/steam-for-linux-now-available-for-all-to-download
[22:29] <Monotoko> blackroseblade, that's why I suggested unetbootin :P
[22:29] <blackroseblade> I'll get another usb and try to do it from within ubuntu
[22:29]  * blackroseblade fetches another USB
[22:29] <Shizuo> Steam != Steam
[22:29] <Monotoko> Shizuo, o.o ?
[22:29] <Shizuo> Yes
[22:29] <SolarisBoy> omg that is really confusing Shizuo
[22:29] <Shizuo> I agree
[22:29] <Shizuo> I can't handle it
[22:29] <Eino_> I have installed it from the official site
[22:29] <Eino_> IT DOES NOT WORK
[22:30] <Monotoko> the programmer in me wants to kill you right now Shizuo
[22:30] <Monotoko> :P
[22:30] <Shizuo> The programmer in me just reads false
[22:30] <Monotoko> Eino_, then why aren't you asking the Steam support?
[22:30] <Shizuo> =]
[22:30] <blackroseblade> Monotoko: you're a programmer?
[22:30] <blackroseblade> a dev for ubuntu then? :o
[22:30] <Eino_> Monotoko: they said go here
[22:30] <Eino_> it is ubuntu related problem
[22:30] <SolarisBoy> Shizuo: mines returns false
[22:30] <Monotoko> blackroseblade, not for Ubuntu nah... I work on a little project for a boss in my home time
[22:30] <blackroseblade> oh.
[22:30] <Monotoko> *town
[22:30] <Shizuo> SolarisBoy: Old mines maybe
[22:30] <SolarisBoy> true
[22:30] <Shizuo> SolarisBoy: New mines might return true and explode
[22:30] <Monotoko> and I'm a computer science student... so I have to deal with C# a lot
[22:31] <Eino_> I </3 Canoncial.
[22:31] <Shizuo> I <3 Boobs
[22:31] <Monotoko> Eino_, we are not canonical
[22:31] <SolarisBoy> true != "true"
[22:31] <Eino_> I </3 #Ubuntu
[22:31] <k1l> Eino_: please ask in #ubuntu-steam
[22:31] <madsailor> Hello all.  I cant min/close a window that is maxed from the titlebar in 12.04 after last update. Controls are replaced with window title on mouseover.  Any help?
[22:31] <Shizuo> Idling
[22:32] <bencevans> madsailor hold down alt, click on the window (anywhere) and drag it down
[22:32] <OerHeks> madsailor try F11
[22:32] <Shizuo> Rule nazi
[22:32] <blackroseblade> ugh, I should just install ubuntu and be done with it...
[22:32] <Wolfgang__> Im installing lubuntu into virtual box and im wondering if i Erase disk and install lubuntu will it affect my nowmal hdd?
[22:33] <jon_w> I'm trying to run "sudo -u gitlab -H bundle install --deployment --without development test mysql" but keep getting "sudo: bundle: command not found" because bundle isn't installed for root.  Use the full path to the command?
[22:34] <meyer> Hey
[22:34] <leptone> got 12.04 on macbook pro. after enablin cube system freezes when i switch workspaces using Ctrl+alt+arrow. any advice?
[22:34] <jon_w> Fah: i mean that if I log as root and try to use "bundle" command it does not exist
[22:34] <Eino_> Think
[22:34] <Eino_> this channel has full of ANGRY PEOPLE
[22:34] <Eino_> who has problems with Ubuntu
[22:35] <jon_w> Fah: only exists for other users
[22:35] <meyer> Is there any solution to remap memory without the option on my bios? Please
[22:35] <Fah> jon_w: where's it installed? Is that directory in root's path?
[22:35] <k1l> Eino_: i told you to stop your ranting and flaming.
[22:35] <k1l> Eino_: stick to the support issues or leave
[22:35] <jon_w> Fah: no, under "~/.rvm/"
[22:36] <Monotoko> I'm surprised he actually left
[22:36] <jon_w> Fah: user home dir
[22:36] <Fah> jon_w: then add it to your path. But why do you even need to run that as root?
[22:37] <meyer> Please , somebody could help me with a memory problem?
[22:37] <smcguinness> I just finished setting up 12.04.1 LTS, but I am running into a monitor issue as seen in this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1973856
[22:37] <malfunc> hello everyone
[22:37] <jon_w> Fah: because if not I get "Permission denied - /home/gitlab/gitlab/.bundle (Errno::EACCES)"
[22:38] <smcguinness> I'm unable to resolve the issue as they have, because I cannot access /etc/default/grub
[22:38] <blackroseblade> Eino ragequit then i assume
[22:38] <blackroseblade> since i hid my joins and parts
[22:38] <Fah> jon_w: i dont know what you're doing but if you add it to PATH, you can run it. If you're writing to a shared filesystem make sure you don't break permissions for users
[22:39] <smcguinness> has anyone run into the timing issue with a monitor on a new install and resolved it?
[22:39] <jon_w> Fah: I'm afraid to break user permissions
[22:39] <smcguinness> Can the fix be through using the Live CD ash CL
[22:40] <blackroseblade> How do I install a tar.bz package?
[22:40] <blackroseblade> I'm trying to install realtek's v5.xxxx drivers for ALC887
[22:40] <Meyer2436> Hi
[22:40] <blackroseblade> Meyer2436:  that you?
[22:41] <Meyer2436> Yes xD
[22:41] <blackroseblade> xD
[22:41] <blackroseblade> sup mate
[22:41] <blackroseblade> here to help or have help?
[22:41] <Meyer2436> you mean is it the same like when i asked for the GC driver?
[22:41] <Meyer2436> Good thx , and you sup?
[22:41] <blackroseblade> still messing about with ubuntu
[22:42] <blackroseblade> need to learn a few things
[22:42] <Meyer2436> i'm here one more time to have help :p
[22:42] <Meyer2436> if i can help you , try to tell me
[22:42] <Meyer2436> So
[22:43] <Meyer2436> somebody here could help me please?
[22:43]  * blackroseblade shrugs
[22:44] <Tex_Nick> 12.10 ... does the hosts file support wildcards ... such as , *partialName*.com
[22:45] <Meyer2436> ....
[22:45] <otak> Tex_Nick: why?
[22:46] <madsailor>  I cant min/close a window that is maxed from the titlebar in 12.04 after last update. Controls are replaced with window title on mouseover.  Any help? Pic here: http://imgur.com/iU3ffIo .  The three controls top left by mouse.
[22:47] <Tex_Nick> otak : in order to block any url that contains "partialName"
[22:47] <otak> ah you mean /etc/hosts.deny
[22:48] <Tex_Nick> otak : yes ... sorry i should have elaborated ;0
[22:48] <k1l> Meyer2436: what was the issue again?
[22:48] <Meyer2436> xD
[22:48] <Meyer2436> My issue is a global issue
[22:48] <Meyer2436> i mean
[22:49] <Meyer2436> i've a problem with my installed RAM
[22:50] <Meyer2436> my MB is able to do dual channel ( and there is only 2 slots so no difficulty ) but my pc only recognize 3.1 gb ram ( both on win7 and ubuntu x64 )
[22:50] <Meyer2436> PS : my BIOS detect 4gb ram at the start
[22:50] <k1l> Meyer2436: well, does the vga take some ram?
[22:50] <rickb> my system was unrecoverable. no data on it so i wiped it. i'm going to give that howto a shot once it's loaded back up.
[22:50] <Meyer2436> I think
[22:50] <Meyer2436> but there is also a remap memory problem i think
[22:51] <ghoti> Anybody have a favourite _simple_ OCR program?  I'm hoping for something that'll let me simply `ocrbuddy somefile.png > output.txt`, with line breaks where there are line breaks, no need for multi-column, etc.
[22:51] <otak> yes I believe so, all this is well covered in old debian howtos
[22:52] <otak> normally an i.p/netmask would be banned by eg. denyhosts
[22:52] <packetfrog> My dpkg/selinux/vmlinuz is trowing errors when installing unetbootin and others  tried purge  -f install    installl     http://pastebin.com/xaZie6yX   any ideas?
[22:52] <packetfrog> throwing*
[22:53] <Tex_Nick> otak : good enough ... i'll read up on it ... thanks for the input :)
[22:55] <Meyer2436> k1l , are you still here xD?
[22:55] <k1l> yep
[22:55] <Meyer2436> have you any idea about this
[22:55] <packetfrog> :(
[22:55] <packetfrog> squid!
[22:55] <packetfrog> haha like that
[22:55] <k1l> i dont know about remapping ram. but if your mainboard vga takes 0.9GB ram you have to set that in the bios, if possible
[22:56] <Meyer2436> because my bios hasn't this option ( remap memory ) and no update available for it
[22:56] <Meyer2436> right but i see no option about this
[22:56] <Meyer2436> ( btw thanks to help me another time )
[22:58] <root1_> hille
[22:59] <DZEND> is there anybody here using gadmei utv380 on ubuntu?
[22:59] <k1l> Meyer2436: that is hardware related. see the bios. if that is not possible in there i dont know
[22:59] <Meyer2436> ok but
[22:59] <blackroseblade> Hey kll, I've got a ssh tunnel running through terminal
[23:00] <blackroseblade> How do I redirect all my traffic through it?
[23:00] <blackroseblade> terminal commands only please
[23:00] <Meyer2436> for the dual channel , why is it not even if the two ram are identical
[23:01] <Glagnar> Hi im running a program which i want to use 100% of my cpu however its only using approx 8% how can i make it use 100%?
[23:02] <blackroseblade> Glagnar: Shouldn't it automatically run at 100% if the load on it is that high?
[23:03] <atc3030> does anyone here run ubuntu on a macbook air?
[23:03] <Glagnar> i thought it would but its only using like 8% of my cpu
[23:04] <ldiamond> Oi
[23:04] <ldiamond> "System program problem detected" "Do you want to report the problem now?"
[23:04] <ldiamond> How do I know what the hell the problem is?
[23:04] <ldiamond> I just get this popup that asks for my PW
[23:04] <ldiamond> I'm not giving my PW to this unknown thing
[23:05] <Glagnar> i mean its quite computationally intensive but its not using 100% of my cpu which i dont understand
[23:06] <bekks> Glagnar: Then you have to investigate the source code, and possibly rewrite it for using 100% of your CPU.
[23:06] <k1l> ldiamond: press: more information (or similar to this)
[23:06] <k1l> ldiamond: its apport bug service which collects the information
[23:06] <amigamia> i have a tablet here and i was wondeirng if the ubuntu tablet version is beta available? i saw the guy from south africa talking about it. is there anything availbe now for testing for our tablets?
[23:07] <xangua> !tablet | amigamia
[23:07] <k1l> amigamia: better ask in #ubuntu-tablet and #ubuntu-phone
[23:08] <WBF> I need help. I just updated, on 12.10. there is no button to log into a different section like 12.04
[23:08] <blackroseblade> anyone here uses Realtek ALC>
[23:09] <blackroseblade> boy, this is the busiest IRC I've seen yet, and I thought #news@rizon was bad
[23:09] <Glagnar> bekks: i wrote it myself in C (ill be honest im kinda a newbie) i expected it to use 100% as its been going for half an hour and i expect it to take an another hour but its only using 8%?
[23:09] <k1l> WBF: did you look on the very right side in the panel ?
[23:09] <WBF> k1l, yes
[23:10] <k1l> WBF: what do you need there?
[23:10] <atc3030> does anyone use ubuntu on a macbook air? i needd to know how to configure the touchpad so its not so overly sensitive
[23:10] <Threepwood> Glagnar: just use java and it will eat ya CPU (sorry for kiddin) :D
[23:11] <nu2ub_> Hello everyone
[23:11] <WBF> k1l, just let me tell you this, I need to switch to the DE ratpoison or as I like to call it ratp0is0n
[23:11] <nu2ub_> I am new to ubuntu had 12.10 installed but due to a display glitch decided to move to 12.04LTS. In the process found Edubuntu 12.04.Since I have kids i decided to install this. The boot cd worked fine and was connected to Internet during install... Now it does not pick any of the wireless
[23:11] <nu2ub_> networks
[23:11] <dfgdfgdg> What is the cheapest device that can read pdf's ?
[23:11] <k1l> WBF: so just choose the session in lightdm?
[23:11] <WBF> k1l,  how?
[23:12] <nu2ub_> did this install about half an hour ago. It did not connect to the internet when i started the new installation
[23:12] <Glagnar> lol threepwood im numerically modelling a physical system I don’t understand why it isnt using 100% of one of my cpus
[23:12] <nu2ub_> the option for wireless Networks in the top  right button is shaded (can't click on it)
[23:12] <k1l> WBF: log out?
[23:12] <KromiX> nu2ub_ do ifconfig -a
[23:12] <KromiX> and paste it to pastebin
[23:12] <WBF> k1l, there is no button there.
[23:12] <KromiX> show us
[23:12] <nu2ub_> ok
[23:12] <k1l> WBF: sure it is
[23:12] <WBF> k1l, will try once more
[23:13] <Threepwood> Glagnar: locks? waiting for some io? dunno :)
[23:13] <Threepwood> Glagnar: there are plenty of reasons
[23:13] <atc3030> answer my question. does anyone use ubuntu on a macbook air? I understand this is a busy channel. but every time I join i never get help. just saying. not upset. just need some help:)
[23:13] <blackroseblade> atc3030: tell me about it...
[23:14] <atc3030> I have installed Ubuntu numerous times on my mid 2011 macbook air and the touchpad is always outta wack. it is too sensitive. the onetime so bad it would pick up my palm that was sitting about 3 inches off the pad
[23:14] <blackroseblade> Guys can someone help? I've got audio not sounding right. The chipset is supposed to boost the sound through the builtin op-amp, except the application to control it is windows only. How can I get similar functionality in ubuntu?
[23:14] <k1l> !ask | atc3030
[23:15] <atc3030> it also would pick up my finger hovering about 1/2 inch vertically above the pad
[23:15] <blackroseblade> atc3030: I assume you've already tried Mouse and Touchpad in settings?
[23:15] <blackroseblade> LOL
[23:15] <blackroseblade> electromagnetic fingers
[23:15] <atc3030> yep. I've also tried different drivers such as touch egg, semantics and x11 stuff
[23:15] <Glagnar> Threepwood i wish that was the answer but im solving the random walk problem so im not reading any data i just wish it was using all my cpu resources
[23:15] <WBF> k1l, not working there is no button there
[23:15] <Plizzo> I have a RAID5 array which used to consist of three 2TB drives. Last week I added another drive and after that I grew the array to include four devices. Although, I forgot to modify the filesystem size. I will attempt to do this overnight, but I'm wondering if this command is correct: "mdadm --grow /dev/md0 --size=max"
[23:16] <Physicist> Later I had deleted one fgrlx file of my system my pc is a little slow.. I really do not know what is the file, but, it happened. Should I reinstall my driver now!
[23:16] <k1l> WBF: which desktop are you running now?
[23:16] <bekks> Plizzo: That willnot change the filesystem size at all.
[23:16] <jkobyp> atc3030: check your usb ports, sounds like somebody plugged in a wireless mouse just to mess with you
[23:16] <WBF> k1l,  regular ubuntu
[23:16] <k1l> WBF: which is unity?
[23:16] <Physicist> *fglrx* I always do that... fgrlx.
[23:16] <WBF> k1l,  yes
[23:17] <Plizzo> bekks: Why not? I currently have 6TB in my array, but the partition is only 4TB. How can I fix that?
[23:17] <bekks> Plizzo: That will change the size of the md0 device, but not of the filesystem you created on md0.
[23:17] <bekks> Plizzo: Dont mix up device size, partition size, filesystem size.
[23:17] <Physicist> I am now using the new 13.02 beta driver of AMD. A good choice by the way.
[23:17] <SolarisBoy> resize2fs to the rescue
[23:17] <Plizzo> bekks: Oh, alright, then how do I go about increasing the filesystem to expand to the full device size?
[23:17] <nu2ub_> http://pastebin.com/VPL2tDUB
[23:18] <mdh> Plizzo: you can use gparted if you want, that'll do that
[23:18] <bekks> Plizzo: Depends on the filesystem type.
[23:18] <k1l> WBF: so you cant find the logout menu entry in the session indicator?
[23:18] <Physicist> On Kubuntu... Other good choice.. KDE is the best of all.
 it is in the pastebin
[23:19] <WBF> k1l, I can but when I try to login with that DE it doesn't work because there.is.no.button.there.
[23:19] <packetfrog> My dpkg/selinux/vmlinuz is trowing errors when installing unetbootin and others  tried purge  -f install    installl     http://pastebin.com/xaZie6yX   any ideas?
[23:19] <Plizzo> bekks: All the drives as far as I know are ext4, fdisk -l shows this System:
[23:19] <k1l> WBF: ahh ok. so there is no ratpoison entry in lightdm?
[23:19] <Plizzo> bekks: Linux raid autodetect
[23:19] <fcuk112> my ubuntu is throwing errors upon updating - http://pastebin.com/rSDSPxaW
[23:19] <Physicist> Anyone??
[23:19] <fcuk112> any ideas?
[23:19] <WBF> k1l,  yes there is none
[23:19] <bekks> Plizzo: Thats not a filesystem, but a partition type.
[23:20] <Physicist> Later I had deleted one fglrx file of my system, it is a little slow.. I really do not know what is the file, but, it happened. Should I reinstall my driver now!
[23:20] <Physicist> ?? was a question!
[23:20] <atc3030> i am normally more professional than this but this is just freaking ridiculous. this channel obviously cannot handle the demand. It sucks you have to have a bot to auto reply when someone has to point that out. sorry and no disrespect meant. but just kinda lets me down. good day.
[23:20] <popescu93> #fedora-devel
[23:20] <Glagnar> how do i make a program have absolute priority other others?
[23:21] <Physicist> !fglrx | Physicist
[23:21] <bekks> Glagnar: Just use "nice" and "renice".
[23:21] <Glagnar> bekks can you give an example?
[23:21] <Plizzo> bekks: Also, I learned that when adding a disk to a mdadm array, the disk would be formatted automatically. I added a disk (/dev/sde) which had an GPT System on it and two partitions. It is now part of my RAID but still has a GUID table. What do I do?
[23:22] <k1l> WBF: see if this works: http://crunchbang.org/forums/viewtopic.php?id=20591
[23:22] <bekks> Plizzo: First, you have to tell us which filesystem type you are using.
[23:22] <nu2ub_> 'KromiX' you here
[23:22] <Deskarano> would ubuntu still work if i converted the hard drive that its on into a dynamic disk?
[23:22] <Plizzo> bekks: How do I check?
[23:23] <bekks> Plizzo: By looking at the output of "mount" or "sudo blkid"
[23:24] <nu2ub_> anyone able to help me with wireless
[23:24] <Plizzo> bekks: I used df -T
[23:24] <Plizzo> bekks: /dev/md0               ext4
[23:24] <mdh> nu2ub_: what's the problem with the wireless?
[23:24] <k1l> !ask | nu2ub_
[23:24] <bekks> Plizzo: Then you can just use resize2fs  after growing md0.
[23:24] <Deskarano> would ubuntu still work if i converted the hard drive that its on into a dynamic disk?
[23:24] <Fah> So, anyone using rEFIt to boot ubuntu on a mac? I need to recover my install
[23:25] <bekks> Plizzo: that will then grow the ext4 filesystem on md0.
[23:25] <Plizzo> bekks: It says<PHONE_NUMBER> 1K-blocks,<PHONE_NUMBER> used and 50495184 available. That should mean it could be expanded for quite a bit of more space?
[23:25] <nu2ub_> did a fresh install but after reboot the system is not picking up any wireless addreses
[23:25] <bekks> Plizzo: I have no clue "what" says that, and which command you are running. Nor is that the complete output of a command.
[23:26] <nu2ub_> mdh
[23:26] <mdh> nu2ub_: what kind of wireless adapter do you have? or which model of laptop?
[23:26] <nu2ub_> k1l
[23:26] <Plizzo> bekks: So I just run "resize2fs /dev/md0" and it should all be ok?
[23:26] <nu2ub_> I have a gateway NV 58
[23:26] <WBF> gonna try it now k1l
[23:27] <nu2ub_> the wireless worked when i was using ubuntu 12.10 and while I had the new installation DVD
[23:27] <nu2ub_> running
[23:27] <bekks> Plizzo: No. You should carefully read the options and the usage of resize2fs: "man resize2fs"
[23:27] <amigamia> !tablet
[23:27] <amigamia> thanks
[23:27] <nu2ub_> so during install it was working but now the wireless options are shaded and it is not picking any of the channels
[23:27] <Deskarano> would ubuntu still work if i converted the hard drive that its on into a dynamic disk?
[23:28] <Glagnar> cheers bekks that’s increased the speed although not to 100%
[23:29] <nu2ub_> how do i make my name turn red when i am addressing a specific person
[23:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> hello all
[23:29] <luckybunny> guys my computer's doing it again. This time I know very well that I had (or rather have) over 90GB of free space. But the command 'df -h' gives me a full disk, as well as repeated warnings
[23:29] <ntzrmtthihu777> nu2ub_: type their name and it usually does
[23:29] <Plizzo> bekks: I've read the man page, and there are not many options for the kind of operation I'm performing...
[23:30] <nu2ub_> ntzrmtthihu777 thanks
[23:30] <Glagnar> can someone give me a resource to using the cpu to 100% please
[23:30] <bekks> Plizzo: Those few options my render your filesystem in chaos.
[23:30] <mussa> مرحبا
[23:30] <nu2ub_> ntzrmtthihu777 did it work
[23:30] <luckybunny> rebooting doesn't help (it did when my disk was checked for errors, but that was after over 20 cycles, so it won't happen again any time soon)
[23:30] <mdh> nu2ub_: i'm still looking for what kind of card it is
[23:30] <Plizzo> bekks: So what do you suggest, I've read everything and can't find any option that will help me. Could you help me assembe a command then?
[23:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> yup, you're yello to me nu2ub_
[23:31] <nu2ub_> how can i check it here
[23:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> !arabic | mussa
[23:31] <nu2ub_> mdh  can I do it in the terminal
[23:31] <Glagnar> or setting the priortry of a process
[23:31] <Fah> luckybunny: you've given no specific information about what is wrong.
[23:31] <nu2ub_> any command that will show the hardware type
[23:31] <bekks> Plizzo: You should just understand what those options do and you have to decide wether you want them or better not use them.
[23:31] <ntzrmtthihu777> yeah, is it pci or usb?
[23:31] <bekks> Plizzo: Most likely, you do NOT want to disable safety checks, e.g.
[23:31] <luckybunny> Fah: my disk is reading as full, when I know it has over 90GB of free space
[23:32] <nu2ub_> mdh the hardware was working with ubuntu 12.10 and while I was using the installation CD.
[23:32] <Fah> luckybunny: that seems improbable. Are you getting errors? Have you looked at what df shows for disk usage?
[23:33] <Guest17476> when installing wine i get the error message package dependencies cannot be resolved is it possible for my system to use wine ? or do i need  to go back to windows?
[23:33] <luckybunny> df -h shows the disk 100% used
[23:33] <nu2ub_> mdh the installation cd for this Install (edubun 12.04 lts)
[23:33] <mdh> nu2ub_: is the wireless connection showing up in the connection manager, just no access points showing up?
[23:33] <Fah> luckybunny: well it's probably full. Have you seen what the biggest directories are?
[23:34] <luckybunny> I have not downloaded anything (especially not anything 90GB in size) in the past day, but I had 90GB free this morning
[23:34] <Fah> luckybunny: so? is something spewing log messages? Is something writing stuff to the filesystem? the only way to find it is to look
[23:35] <luckybunny> ok... how do I do that?
[23:35] <nu2ub_> mdh yes a blank wireless adapter is showing but no networks and the wireless connections button used to search for connections can't be clicked as it is shaded
[23:35] <mdh> nu2ub_: i really don't know what could be causing that, sorry
[23:36] <Fah> luckybunny: start with du  on the full file system? do -k /mount/point | sort -nr | head -n 20 to see the top 20 largest dirs? Then drill down from there
[23:36] <Plizzo> bekks: I've been through multiple tutorials and neither of them use any kinds of options for the command. Look at this for example... http://www.allmyit.com.au/mdadm-growing-raid5-array-ubuntu
[23:36] <ntzrmtthihu777> nu2ub_: lspci should list your wireless card
[23:36] <nu2ub_> mdh thanks for trying
[23:37] <Glagnar> im really sorry for spamming but ive set nice to -19 but my programme is still only using 9-15% of my cpu what can i do to make it use 100%?
[23:37] <nu2ub_> ntzrmtthihu777 will try that
[23:37] <bekks> Plizzo: You should understand what those options do and why you dont want them, instead of comparing zillions off howtos.
[23:37] <notStewpid> Has anyone here created a wifi hotspot b4?
[23:38] <Plizzo> bekks: I understand what the options do.. but clearly I don't need them since not a single person that used them used the options..
[23:38] <bekks> Plizzo: People often do use them when needed.
[23:39] <nu2ub_> ntzrmtthihu777 i dont see any problems there
[23:39] <Plizzo> bekks: Can I ask you something? When I used sudo mdadm --examine /dev/sdd I get this response:
[23:39] <bekks> Plizzo: But as long as you really do know why you dont want to use them, you are safe.
[23:39] <Plizzo> bekks: MBR Magic : aa55
[23:39] <Plizzo> Partition[0] :<PHONE_NUMBER> sectors at         2048 (type fd)
[23:39] <Fah> Glagnar: if you want load, while true; do true; done
[23:39] <Plizzo> bekks: But then when I examine my latest addition to the array, /dev/sde I get this:
[23:39] <notStewpid> wifi hotspots anyone?
[23:40] <Fah> Glagnar: run a bunch of threads
[23:40] <bekks> Plizzo: Use a pastebin service please.
[23:40] <Plizzo> bekks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5560109/
[23:40] <Plizzo> bekks: And this is /dev/sdd: http://paste.ubuntu.com/5560110/
[23:40] <bekks> Plizzo: And...?
[23:41] <Plizzo> The response is much different, and they're all active disks in the RAID?
[23:41] <bekks> Plizzo: You have to check wether they are members of the RAID. I cant guess it.
[23:41] <Physicist> I'd tryed crack my own wireless with backtrack but could not because a broadcom driver of my system.. I did not know. now I know that. I will try again with no index error.
[23:41] <Plizzo> bekks: They are members of the raid
[23:41] <ntzrmtthihu777> nu2ub_: if you can find out what kind of wireless card you have you can be more specific in your searches for help, is it a broadcom sta?
[23:41] <bekks> Plizzo: So your question is answered, isnt it? :)
[23:42] <Plizzo> bekks: No, why does the response differ?
[23:42] <Plizzo> bekks: I mean, shouldn't it all be the same?
[23:42] <Glagnar> Fah: this is my code it should be at 100% but it isn't ?: http://pastebin.com/LepV5ihf
[23:42] <Physicist> Backtrack use KDE environment too.. I lake that. But I do not know what is the environment of Slackware that I am downloading.
[23:42] <Plizzo> bekks: Or maybe /dev/sde has become a main disk of some sort? It says the array is linear so I guess it has to have a starting unit
[23:42] <bekks> Plizzo: Not necessarily, the output heavily depends on your hardware setup.
[23:43] <Physicist> **like**
[23:43] <notStewpid> hotspot help?
[23:43] <Plizzo> bekks: Alright, well thanks. I'm sorry for bombarding you with questions. I'm decent with Linux but I'm just terrified that any misstake will completely wipe my array :/
[23:43] <bekks> notStewpid: Did you already ask a specific question?
[23:44] <notStewpid> ummmmm, nooooo...
[23:44] <bekks> Plizzo: Which is not tragically, since you have a backup, dont you.
[23:44] <bekks> notStewpid: Then do it now...
[23:44] <notStewpid> Has anyone here used wifi hotspots in ubuntu?
[23:44] <Plizzo> bekks: I have backups of all the files that are important, but not a full scale backup since it's 4TB of data which mostly consists of movies and tv shows
[23:44] <bekks> !anyone | notStewpid
[23:45] <noanmyth> !details
[23:45] <noanmyth> !gq
[23:45] <noanmyth> !poll
[23:46] <notStewpid> I have a problem with wifi hotspots. I am running Ubunut 12.04 LTS, When I try to create a wifi hotspot, it creates it, but without security briefly, and no interrnet access ata ll, when I expect it to work.
[23:47] <noanmyth> !help
[23:47] <noanmyth> !patience
[23:47] <bekks> noanmyth: Stop it please.
[23:47] <packetfrog> My dpkg/selinux/vmlinuz is trowing errors when installing unetbootin and others  tried purge  -f install    installl     http://pastebin.com/xaZie6yX   any ideas?
[23:48] <ntzrmtthihu777> why use unetbootin, packetfrog ?
[23:48] <bekks> packetfrog: Why do you want to reinstall dpkg?
[23:50] <packetfrog> unetbootin is not the issue really its just when i am installing things apt-get is having issues fixing dpkg/extlinux/vmlinuz
[23:50] <packetfrog> It keeps throwing up the same kind of errors for anything I apt-get
[23:50] <bekks> packetfrog: Why are you trying to reinstall dpkg?
[23:50] <bekks> The error message is pretty clear: you dont have a kernel package installed.
[23:50] <packetfrog> I was trying to reinstall all three above mentioned things  as they keep popping up with missing files
[23:50] <packetfrog> or errors
[23:51] <packetfrog> !
[23:51] <ntzrmtthihu777> ah, I see. bekks: he just answered, he is having hell using apt-get.
[23:51] <nu2ub_> ntzrmtthihu777 let me check
[23:51] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: HE is just missing an installed kernel package.
[23:51] <packetfrog> I did not understand the underlying issue so tried to shoot a shotgun at it...
[23:52] <packetfrog> the birdshot keeps coming back and hitting me in the face ;)
[23:52] <ntzrmtthihu777> Just tell him that, don't ask him why, he explained his reason, even if it is faulty.
[23:52] <packetfrog> So how do I fix it and why is it like this?
[23:52] <bekks> packetfrog: Whats the output of sudo apt-get install linux-image =
[23:53] <bekks> packetfrog: Without that =
[23:53] <packetfrog> onesec
[23:53] <packetfrog> wait
[23:53] <packetfrog> I am on ubuntu studio  I dont want that kernel stuff right?
[23:53] <bekks> packetfrog: You NEED at least ONE kernel package installed.
[23:54] <nu2ub_> ntzrmtthihu777 ethernet controller is a Broadcom Corp NetLink BCM5784M Gigabit Ethernet PCIe (rev 10)
[23:54] <nu2ub_> ntzrmtthihu777 Network contoller is an Intel Corp WiFi Link 5100
[23:55] <KRomeleoN> is libreoffice still not available?
[23:55] <ntzrmtthihu777> and their aint any reason to shout, bekks.
[23:55] <KRomeleoN> 4.0?
[23:56] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: I didnt shout.
[23:57] <Monotoko> bekks, typing in caps is considered shouting
[23:57] <bekks> Monotoko: I know it. Thing is: I didnt do that.
[23:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> nu2ub_: now you can have a search around the net for the info you need, now that you know the specifics. I personally don't have any experience with those particular cards.
[23:57] <ntzrmtthihu777> you NEED at least one... HE is just...
[23:57] <luckybunny> I've cleared a little bit more out of my downloads folder, to make space for this screenie.. baobab appears to agree something's not quite right http://i.imgur.com/qX4lA2W.png
[23:57] <Monotoko> bekks, "<bekks> packetfrog: You NEED at least ONE kernel package installed."
[23:58] <Monotoko> that's shouting
[23:58] <packetfrog> whats the command to reinstall the lowlatency kernel?
[23:58] <packetfrog> googlefu has failed me
[23:58] <bekks> ntzrmtthihu777: So you are sticking at two words now...? Lets go on with support.
[23:58] <mneptok> bekks: avoid typing words or sentences in caps, please. thanks.
[23:58] <zypsy> I thought that was emphasizing.  ?
[23:58] <luckybunny> *this* is emphasis
[23:58] <ntzrmtthihu777> not just me, bekks.
[23:58] <luckybunny> or this if you know how
[23:59] <packetfrog> :*(
[23:59] <mneptok> let's let the subject drop, folks.
[23:59] <nu2ub_> ntzrmtthihu777 thanks


[00:46] <X-oo-boon-2> hello, hello
[00:46] <X-oo-boon-2> was hoping someone could help me disable screen blanking in Xubuntu 16.04
[00:47] <X-oo-boon-2> I haven't found a definitive way to do this yet, if anybody knows a working way that would be cool, otherwise it's back to the google
[00:47] <X-oo-boon-2> there is no GUI setting and disabling power manager on startup didn't do the trick
[00:49] <X-oo-boon-2> well I guess you guys don't love me, that's cool, that's cool. I'll just be chillin' here.
[00:49] <X-oo-boon-2> =P
[01:03] <X-oo-boon-2> Well Ima see if this works https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1810262
[15:37] <anykey> hi. I have an issue where (on a freshly installed xubuntu 17.04), I can type my password at the login screen, then the keyboard completely stops working for the session. I can log out using the mouse; during the login screen, keyboard works again. Logging into xfce as root doesn't show the issue. ...Now I don't want to work as root... where do I start?
[15:38] <anykey> it seems to be a permission problem of some sort, because root can use the keyboard normally. But I couldn't find anything.
[15:53] <Orioa> does anyone here use orage calendar
[16:07] <Orioa> im trying to set up orage but i want it to show 12 hour clock instead of 24 hour for the start to finish on the todo


[14:52] <adham> hello everyone
[14:52] <adham> I have maas configured with kvm, everytime I compose new machine, it gets created with owner assigned, but once finished, it would power off and unassign owner
[14:53] <adham> and then I cannot power on/off machine
[14:53] <adham> Do anyone came across this before or is it a known issue?
[15:23] <adham> do anyone know why maas's kvm won't power on/off machines but can only compose?
[15:50] <adham> do anyone know if this https://github.com/lxc/lxd/issues/4636 can be workarouded?


 @yofel @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie @acheronuk

 Expect me to be offline a lot in the next weekish. Surgery on Friday, I need to catch up on sleep, and of course school. There's a small chance I'll be online during my lunch period at school, but there's also a good amount of non-Kubuntu work I need to make progress on in the next week that I've not done (Lubuntu stuff etc.). I'm not forgetting you guys, I just need a week (or maybe longer if there's complications from surgery

 Don't be afraid to ping if you need me to do anything specific, but I have a backlog, so it might be a delayed response time. :)

 o/
 No stress, @tsimonq2 ! Rest and recover
[07:43] <lordievader> Good morning.
[08:05] <jimarvan> good morning!
 Hello
 yofel @yofel and @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie what's the current state of the KDevelop 5 packaging?
 We added it to KCI
 \o/
 http://kci.pangea.pub/job/merger_kdevelop/
 Both xx and yy are showing green
 Meant to ask Phil if we could setup an auto copying to a separate PPA
 Ie setup a kdevelop unstable PPA and auto copy the kdevelop tree into it on successful build
 So people like yourself who want latest kdevelop can add that PPA and not be affected by other unstable stuff
 Hm... that's possible alright, we have jobs to copy packages to the -ci/daily already. So adding another job for said kdevelop ppa should be doable.
 You could make a PPA on the kdevelop team on LP for that
 which I just see I'm the owner of... let me fix that
[12:09] <BluesKaj> Hiyas all
 What have I done!
[13:00] <jimarvan> ? :D
[14:40] <clivejo_bearlin> allo
[14:41] <clivejo_bearlin> hi jimarvan
[14:41] <clivejo_bearlin> where you been?
[14:42] <clivejo_bearlin> ive libertated chicken heads laptop
 @tsimonq2, Just read back that message Simon.  No worries at all. Stuff you have done the last few weeks has been invaluable
[14:43] <clivejo_bearlin> hi ircsomebot
[14:43] <clivejo_bearlin> aka acheronuk aka Rik
 Afternoon  clive :)
[14:44] <clivejo_bearlin> how are you?
 Better. Had a slight bug the last few days. Not bad bad, but gets you down a bit and makes you turn off somewhat
[14:48] <clivejo_bearlin> not been feeling great myself
[14:48] <clivejo_bearlin> and missing our HiPPO
[14:51] <acheronuk> Who is the Hippo? I must have missed that reference.
[14:53] <BluesKaj> sort of like the Walrus ?
[14:56] <acheronuk> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v2mLAajm7ZY
[15:05] <clivejo_bearlin> Highest person of Prestige in the Organisation
[15:06] <clivejo_bearlin> or maybe it was opinion
[15:06] <clivejo_bearlin> which I think is yofel
[15:06] <clivejo_bearlin> so hes our HiPPO
[15:08] <acheronuk> Ahhh!
[15:11] <clivejo_bearlin> hows Qt coming along?
[15:12] <clivejo_bearlin> been out of the loop for a while
[15:13] <clivejo_bearlin> Simon added it to KCI?
[15:13] <clivejo_bearlin> did it break much?
[15:13] <clivejo_bearlin> the list above is empty
[15:14] <acheronuk> Qt 5.7 you mean?
[15:14]  * clivejo_bearlin nods
[15:14] <acheronuk> surprisingly little
[15:16] <acheronuk> I uploaded a new pyqt5 so that it didn't break too much, but one it shaked down it was not bad at all
[15:18] <acheronuk> clivejo_bearlin: Not sure if he finished it for Xenial, as I had a grumpy moment when the YY version broke my KCI VM, I and I doubted the wisdom of Qt 5.7 yey
[15:19] <acheronuk> Grrr. Not a great typing day.
[15:19] <clivejo_bearlin> how did it break your YY ?
[15:22] <acheronuk> black screen and plasma not loading after sddm. even starting plasma in terminal did not work, and no sensible error message.
[15:22] <clivejo_bearlin> thats odd
[15:23] <acheronuk> but rolling back the VM and updating from an earlier snapshot got it working
[15:24] <acheronuk> I was just a bit annoyed until that worked, as I had taken quite some trouble to get KCI into a semi-installable state
[15:25] <acheronuk> I put it down to plasma oddness. It still has issues on some upgrades, so there you go
[15:26] <clivejo_bearlin> would sddm need built on Qt5.7?
[15:27] <clivejo_bearlin> no change build from source
[15:29] <acheronuk> I don't *think* so. It's the plasma deps that need the rebuild IIRC, which is why it sometimes wants to get removed on the QT bump
[15:29] <acheronuk> I am updating my KCI VM now
[15:29] <clivejo_bearlin> didnt KCI rebuild everything on Qt5.7?
[15:30] <acheronuk> not sddm for YY
[15:31] <acheronuk> not job for that http://kci.pangea.pub/view/yakkety%20FIX/search/?q=sddm
[15:31] <clivejo_bearlin> I meant the plasma stuffz
[15:32] <acheronuk> yes, that all rebuilt on YY.
[15:34] <clivejo_bearlin> had the entire stack build on Qt5.7 when you upgraded?
[15:35] <acheronuk> clivejo_bearlin: yes, that was what was odd.
[15:37] <clivejo_bearlin> mmmm
[15:37] <acheronuk> as said, a roll back to a cleaner snapshot sorted it. so just random oddness I guess
[15:37] <clivejo_bearlin> have you retried since?
[15:38] <acheronuk> I just am
[15:39] <clivejo_bearlin> any chance you could add unstable PPA to one of your PPA's and rebuild sddm on it and see if thats the issue
[15:39] <clivejo_bearlin> only if you have time
[15:40] <acheronuk> -> http://i.imgur.com/y8uszFO.jpg
[15:41] <acheronuk> as said, it's fine now, so I don't think it needs a rebuild
[15:43] <clivejo_bearlin> oh its working now?
[15:43] <acheronuk> [16:23] <acheronuk> but rolling back the VM and updating from an earlier snapshot got it working
[15:43] <acheronuk> yes
[15:44] <clivejo_bearlin> oh sorry, miss understood
[15:45] <acheronuk> I think it was just some plasma oddness
[15:45] <clivejo_bearlin> is PIM working in it?
[15:47] <acheronuk> kmail and korganiser/kontact start
[15:48] <acheronuk> I don't use them really, so can't say more than that
[15:49] <acheronuk> I guess now the KDE-PIM repo has split, that way not last long, as KCI needs those added
[15:49] <clivejo_bearlin> I foresee huge issues there
[15:50] <clivejo_bearlin> PIM want a user survey completed
[15:50] <acheronuk> Going to be a pain for a bit, that is certain
[15:51] <clivejo_bearlin> have you used wiki to learn at all?
[15:52] <acheronuk> I've look briefly. At the physics and maths pages
[15:52] <clivejo_bearlin> what are your thoughts?
[15:53] <acheronuk> The idea is great, but strikes me as a good idea that may run out of steam like so many do
[15:54] <clivejo_bearlin> dunno
[15:54] <clivejo_bearlin> lot of work going on here
[15:54] <clivejo_bearlin> and planning to implement KDE and Ubuntu Single Login to it
[15:55] <acheronuk> If there is some commitment to it, then fantastic.
[15:55] <clivejo_bearlin> seems to be
[15:55] <clivejo_bearlin> Im considering getting an account and trying to get packaging docs on there
[15:56] <acheronuk> Just so often you see these things, and 6 months later it's "What was that thing we tried?"
[15:56] <acheronuk> we need docs somewhere
[15:58] <clivejo_bearlin> yeah, I just dont know where is best
[15:58] <clivejo_bearlin> but these guys are really pushing /gearing towards students
[15:59] <soee_> http://phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Mesa-12.0.2-Released
[15:59] <clivejo_bearlin> might be a nice way to get more eyes on it
[15:59] <clivejo_bearlin> take the black magic away from it
[16:00] <acheronuk> I would say the kde or ubuntu wiki, but neither are that great
[16:00] <clivejo_bearlin> ubuntu one is a distaster
[16:00] <clivejo_bearlin> kde I dont like the lay out
[16:01] <clivejo_bearlin> wiki to learn is mediawiki and supports templates and formatting which properly done could have a nicer look and feel, also easier to navigate etc
[16:01] <acheronuk> I saw the docs copied to the KDE one, and the formatting just did not work
[16:02] <clivejo_bearlin> yeah i hate the formatting
[16:02] <clivejo_bearlin> makes copying commnds from it very difficult
[16:04] <acheronuk> well, lacking a better alternative, and that I want them somewhere as least, then maybe W2L as a stopgap
[16:04] <clivejo_bearlin> also exporting tools for creating e-books
[16:05] <clivejo_bearlin> although I havent any experience using that
[16:05] <clivejo_bearlin> eak
[16:05] <clivejo_bearlin> crowds of people!
[16:06] <clivejo_bearlin> must be wrapping up
[16:06] <clivejo_bearlin> LOL
[16:06] <clivejo_bearlin> ovi and sitter having a staring contest
[16:07] <acheronuk> I've used LaTeX in distant past, but not recently.
[16:08] <acheronuk> As long as no power tools are in hand, it'll be fine :P
[16:08] <clivejo_bearlin> how does that work?
[16:10] <acheronuk> Document formatting language used a lot in science etc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTeX
[16:11] <clivejo_bearlin> where is it stored
[16:11] <acheronuk> It is (a) incredibly powerful and (b) a complete PITA
[16:12]  * mamarley nags acheronuk about an underfull hbox.
[16:13] <mamarley> ;)
[16:13] <acheronuk> mamarley: huh?
[16:13] <mamarley> It is a common error message from LaTeX that is rather meaningless and difficult to solve.
[16:14] <acheronuk> Oh. yes.
[16:14] <acheronuk> My PhD supervisor tried to make me use it, but I never really got on with it
[16:15] <clivejo_bearlin> what you do masters in?
[16:15] <acheronuk> Physics
[16:17] <clivejo_bearlin> acheronuk: remind me next week to look at kube
[16:18] <acheronuk> This? https://github.com/KDE/kube
[16:19] <blaze> ahem
[16:19] <blaze> when the apps gonna get pushed into the archive?
[16:19] <clivejo_bearlin> https://quickgit.kde.org/?p=kube.git
[16:20] <acheronuk> blaze: when we get a feature freeze exemption for them I guess
[16:20] <clivejo_bearlin> and convince someone to upload them
[16:21] <clivejo_bearlin> but yes we need to open a FFe for them
[16:23] <acheronuk> took so long to get the new QT 5.6 and plasma into YY that apps became a bit of a casualty
[16:24] <mamarley> It would also be nice to have Plasma 5.7.4 if possible. :)
[16:25] <clivejo_bearlin> it sure would
[16:26] <blaze> well, talking about Plasma, is it possible to apply some patches at least before release happens?
[16:26] <acheronuk> not sure if we can do point changes this close to release?
[16:26] <acheronuk> blaze: what specifically?
[16:27] <clivejo_bearlin> if it fixes a bug, yes open a bug report and submit a patch
[16:27] <blaze> acheronuk: for example https://phabricator.kde.org/D2613
[16:27] <clivejo_bearlin> is it fixed in 5.7.4?
[16:27] <blaze> it's very annoying bug
[16:28] <blaze> not fixed til now
[16:29] <clivejo_bearlin> can you submit a merge request into the kubuntu_yakkety_archive for it?
[16:30] <blaze> not sure if I can, not sure if I know how to do this :)
[16:31] <clivejo_bearlin> best way is to find a patch and kinda copy it
[16:32] <clivejo_bearlin> for the correct formatting
[16:32] <clivejo_bearlin> blaze: you know how to use quilt to patch our packaging?
[16:33] <blaze> clivejo_bearlin: I did patched this package in my ppa, you can grab patch from there
[16:42] <acheronuk> So https://launchpadlibrarian.net/281704746/plasma-workspace_4%3A5.7.2-0ubuntu1_4%3A5.7.2-0ubuntu2~ppa1.diff.gz
[16:46] <blaze> acheronuk: yeah
[16:48] <acheronuk> blaze: our packaging is here https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-packagers/kubuntu-packaging/+git/plasma-workspace
[16:49] <blaze> okay
[16:49] <acheronuk> you could clone that, add your patch, push to your LP git space, and propose a merge
[16:50] <blaze> got it
 That is how I got going on here more or less. :)
[16:57] <clivejo_bearlin> sorry had to move
[16:57] <clivejo_bearlin> did i miss anything?
[16:58] <blaze> nothing of importance
[16:58] <blaze> acheronuk: I see :)
[16:58] <clivejo_bearlin> awww
 Just pointed blaze to our packaging so they can do a MP
[16:59] <clivejo_bearlin> :)
 Afternoon o/
 Lunch time at school
 What are you having?
[17:30] <acheronuk> Evening :)
 I want to get my homework done now so I don't have to bother later
 Sub sandw
 *sandwich
 I hate the placement of the enter key on this keyboard...
 All done
 The milk is disgusting but the sub was great :)
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/R6rqSP0H/file_373.jpg
 o/ acheronuk
 Ok, Geometry homework time!
 o/
[17:34] <acheronuk> Geometry!
 Great...
 No Geometry homework for me!  I'm not allowed to go to my locker and get my Geometry book.
 Bah
[17:37] <clivejo_bearlin> does anyone know where the entry point for contributing to Kubuntu documentation is?
[17:37] <clivejo_bearlin> ahoneybun:
 /me kicks @ahoneybun
[17:38] <acheronuk> Fat free chocolate milk? That is a crime!
 Ik...
 It's disgusting
 But it's all I have
[17:39] <clivejo_bearlin> water!
 I've had the same milk every weekday for 5 years now 9 months out of the year, I'm sick of it
 They don't give me water for free
 I'd have to find a drinking fountain
 Or bubbler
 Whatever you want to call i:Pt
 *it :P
 So I wish clivejo_bearlin
 (Photo, 1280x960) https://irc-attachments.kde.org/V1Em61OX/file_375.jpg
 Too wet outside to go for a walk
 (I can, I have open campus lunch, it's high school, remember? :P)
[18:03] <soee_> ahoneybun: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/09/rocket-league-linux-download-rumble-update-september
 Finally!
[18:46] <soee> plasmashell 200MB, amarok 420 MB ....
[18:55] <ahoneybun> clivejo, if you know git: https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual
[18:55] <ahoneybun> wiki stuff: https://userbase.kde.org/Kubuntu
[18:55] <blaze> acheronuk: should I update the changelog?
[18:55] <blaze> i guess not
[18:55] <ahoneybun> stop kicking me tsimonq2
 Do you have manual / guide on
 How to contribute
 As in what area to work on or what?
 If a newbie wanted to help, how do they get involved
 A how to guide
 just send a PR with the changes
 I have a temp for how to make pages here: https://github.com/ahoneybun/kubuntu-manual/blob/master/source/RST-Template.rst
 @CliffordTheBigRedDoggie to do what though, add translations, pages, fixes for grammar and typos?
 No @ahoneybun I won't stop kicking you. Lol
 To contribute whatever they want
 damn @tsimonq2
 I'm sure what is missing to contribute tbh
 *not sure
 @ahoneybun, /me kicks @ahoneybun
 Lol
 You mean the packaging docs clive?
 soee did you notice Saints Row IV is on Linux?
 yea if your talking about the packaging stuff its in there as well
 @ahoneybun what kind of game is that?
 A fun one
 Lol
 It has a action full funny game
[20:46] <clivejo_bearlin> im not a robot
[20:48] <acheronuk> we know
[20:48] <clivejo_bearlin> Im the crazy bottle man
[20:48] <acheronuk> If you say so
[20:49] <clivejo_bearlin> we cleaned up the venue of bottles and rubbish at the uni
[20:49] <clivejo_bearlin> I collected a rucksack full of bottles and took them to a machine
[20:49] <clivejo_bearlin> it spat them all back out at me
[20:51] <clivejo_bearlin> stupid recycling system
[20:53] <acheronuk> Doesn't sound very bright
[20:53] <clivejo_bearlin> it wasnt
[20:53] <tsimonq2> clivejo_bearlin: /nick clivejo_crazy_bottle_man
[20:53] <tsimonq2> lol
[20:54] <acheronuk> Berlin sounds odd
[20:55] <clivejo_bearlin> it is
[20:55] <clivejo_bearlin> theres bears everywhere
[20:55] <tsimonq2> LOL
[21:02] <clivejo_bearlin> the bears are on signs and in statues though!
[21:02] <clivejo_bearlin> no wild bears wandering the streets
[21:51]  * ahoneybun wonders why there is no right click in krunner
[21:54] <ahoneybun> oh nice we have a new update icon too
[21:54]  * tsimonq2 kicks ahoneybun
[21:55]  * ahoneybun reminds tsimonq2 that he can really kick him
[21:57] <tsimonq2> hm?
[21:57] <ahoneybun> we have a version issue with cpp and gcc-6-base
[21:57] <ahoneybun> we need gcc-6-base-2ubuntu1 not 3ubuntu1
[22:00] <ahoneybun> this daily image is bad mm
[22:01] <tsimonq2> MMMMMM
[22:01] <ahoneybun> I can't test the ubiquity fixes from blaze
[22:01] <ahoneybun> gcc and cpp keep bumping heads
 :)