[00:02] <iflema> dino
[00:15] <Wolfcastle> anyone knows how to install broadcom drivers withouth jockey-gtk?
[00:16] <damagu> Hey all, does anyone know how to make the update notifier display in the system tray like in previous releases?
[00:17] <tonyyarusso> damagu: There's a gconf key for it that you change from true to false
[00:17] <Wolfcastle> damagu run gconf-editor
[00:18] <Wolfcastle> damagu, go to apps->update-notifier
[00:18] <erudio> Hi all, I need help installing 9.10 into a desktop with an Nvidia 6800 Graphics Card.  I keep getting a garbled screen.
[00:18] <tonyyarusso> damagu: /apps/update-notifier/auto_update false
[00:19] <Wolfcastle> and deactivate autolunch
[00:19] <Wolfcastle> autolaunch
[00:19] <Oli``> has anybody elses associations been COMPLETELY mucked up?
[00:19] <damagu> tonyyarusso: there isn't an option for auto_update
[00:19] <kklimonda> Oli``: make sure that your system is fully updated using up-2-date mirror
[00:20] <damagu> Wolfcastle: okay thanks
[00:20] <Wolfcastle> no problem
[00:20] <tonyyarusso> damagu: auto_launch rather
[00:21] <damagu> Wolfcastle: that's kinda weird... the description implies that making it false will turn off notifications rather than turn them on.
[00:24] <damagu> I guess I'll have to wait until there are updates to see if it worked. I saw a bug about it here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/369820 but it seems to indicate that it's fixed.
[00:24] <Wolfcastle> I'm gonna install 9.04 again...need wifi asap
[00:25] <damagu> Wolfcastle: I'm surprised but wifi WOOTB for me
[00:25] <Wolfcastle> WOOTB?
[00:25] <damagu> worked out of the box
[00:25] <damagu> and on a mac book pro too
[00:25] <damagu> not what I expected
[00:28] <Wolfcastle> sweet
[00:28] <Wolfcastle> I don't know why it's not working....kind of hard to debug
[00:30] <erudio> Need help installing 9.10 into a desktop.  Getting a garbled screen after splash.   Used to use "vesa" driver on xorg.conf,  but xorg is nowhere to be found?   All help is greatly appreciated.
[00:30] <damagu> yeah it sure is sweet. Mark Shuttleworth said he wanted to compete with Mac OS and he sure has done that. Karmic is way better looking and more complete now. I love it.
[00:31] <kklimonda> it still has a lot of rough edges
[00:31] <Berzerker> having a problem getting a timer up for grub2
[00:31] <kklimonda> maybe we can make an awesome 10.04 release though
[00:31] <Wolfcastle> yeah I like it too the new software manager is great for normal users
[00:31] <mzz> heh
[00:31]  * mzz has barely looked at that thing
[00:31] <Berzerker> have my hidden_timeout=0, hidden_timeout_quiet=false and grub_timeout="5"
[00:32] <Berzerker> but it's not showing any timer and it's not auto booting after 5 seconds
[00:32] <Wolfcastle> well off i go to downgrade
[00:32] <Wolfcastle> see you
[00:33] <drs305> Berzerker: Do you want to see the menu or look at a blank screen?
[00:33] <Berzerker> see the menu
[00:33] <Berzerker> and also a timer
[00:34] <drs305> I don't know if there is a timer available for the viewable menu. If so, it's not one of the default lines.
[00:34] <drs305> You might try adding:  TIMEOUT_QUIET=false  but that would be an undocumented feature.
[00:35] <Berzerker> what is GRUB_TIMEOUT="5" then?
[00:35] <Berzerker> in combination with GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[00:35] <drs305> Well, wait, now that I think about it the timeout does display, but I don't know of a setting that controls it.
[00:36]  * drs305 reboots his laptop to look
[00:36] <drs305> Yeah, it's there. But I don't know of a setting that controls it.
[00:37] <drs305> GRUB_TIMEOUT is the viewable timeout.
[00:37] <Berzerker> well not only does the setting not display, but it's not auto booting after 5 seconds
[00:37] <drs305> If the hidden timeout is a positive number, you'll be looking at a blank screen for that amount of time.
[00:38] <drs305> If you have hidden timeout quiet false, you will see a counter on the blank screen.
[00:38] <Berzerker> I have that
[00:38] <Berzerker> but it's not working lol
[00:38] <Berzerker> I update-grubed
[00:38] <Berzerker> hold on, let me try it again
[00:43] <jonLappy> I just did an update on my computer (karmic) and my mouse stopped working. Looking on line several other people have my issue but I see no fix for it. Anyone have any ideas?
[00:43] <jonLappy> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/378818 << bug that appears to be affecting me.
[00:44] <Berzerker> drs305: did it again, and it worked, oh well, thanks.
[00:44] <drs305> :-)
[00:49] <andresmh_> for some reason I cannot seem to be able to disable Compiz Animation plugin. I disable it using the Compiz Config Settings manager and after a few seconds it gets enabled again on its own.
[00:49] <erudio> Need help installing 9.10 into a desktop.  Getting a garbled screen after splash.   Used to use "vesa" driver on xorg.conf,  but xorg is nowhere to be found?   All help is greatly appreciated.
[00:52] <jonLappy> erudio: what did you use to install it?
[00:53] <thiebaude> erudio, which graphics card do you have?
[00:54] <erudio> jonLappy - I got rid of quiet splash and replaced it with break=bottom so I could edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf with driver "vesa", but its nowhere to be found.
[00:54] <erudio> I'm using an Nvidia 6800
[00:54] <thiebaude> ok
[00:54] <erudio> That was the old way I used to get Ubuntu to work until I could install the Nvidia drivers to get passed the garbled screen.
[00:55] <thiebaude> erudio, is this a fresh install of 9.10 or upgraded from 9.04?
[00:55] <erudio> Fresh install
[00:55] <thiebaude> erudio, i have nvidia also, but i upgraded from 9.04
[00:56] <erudio> I never tried it with 9.04?   Last version was 8.10 that I used.    Do you think I'll be able to get to the xorg.conf file?
[00:57] <thiebaude> erudio, i dont know how, when i had intel 815 i knew how, but that was in 9.04
[00:58] <erudio> I'll try it again with 9.04 and upgrade.
[00:58] <erudio> Thank you.
[00:58] <thiebaude> erudio, no problem
[00:58] <erudio> Hopefully, some more documentation will come out later on.
[01:02] <darthanubis> anyone have a link to the alpha5 isos?
[01:02] <Dai> the ones that are two releases out of date?
[01:10] <darthanubis> Dai, yeah those
[01:11] <ubox> should broadcom wireless work out of the box this version?
[01:12] <Dai> that is a good question.  everyplace i'm seeing has moved strictly to the beta ISOs
[01:12] <Dai> you might still be able to find a torrent, though
[01:16] <darthanubis> Dai still looking. I thought i came across a page full of releases earlier, but I can find the page in my history
[01:17] <Dai> http://mirror.ne.gov/ubuntu-iso/DVDs-Ubuntu/karmic/alpha-5/
[01:18] <Dai> those may still be good
[01:19] <ConstantineXVI> just making sure, should there be any restricted drivers for a geforce9400m in karmic yet?
[01:20] <chu_> Anyone had any luck getting gnome-do to run on Karmic?
[01:21] <darthanubis> Dai, thanks
[01:21] <Dai> you're welcome
[01:22] <Dai> i'm not sure why it's useful at this point, but have fun :)
[01:22] <darthanubis> Dai they are reccomended for recovery if the Beta disk don't work
[01:23] <darthanubis> I've had no lucj with the Beta iso, at least installing from usb stick
[01:23] <menzza> Hello im running of a live usb trying to install flash but I get error while installing it it says dpkg: unable to read filedescriptor flags for <package status and progress file descriptor>; Bad file descriptor
[01:24] <zmjjmz> darthanubis: what comp?
[01:24] <Dai> ah, neat
[01:25] <darthanubis> zmjjmz, comp=?
[01:25] <zmjjmz> darthanubis: computer
[01:25] <zmjjmz> make/model, etc.
[01:26] <menzza> Hello im running of a live usb trying to install flash but I get error while installing it it says dpkg: unable to read filedescriptor flags for <package status and progress file descriptor>; Bad file descriptor
[01:26] <darthanubis> figured
[01:26] <darthanubis> I don't buy commerical PCs
[01:26] <darthanubis> I build my own.
[01:26] <darthanubis> But trying to install Beta from usbstick on a Aspire 3680
[01:27] <darthanubis> My main PC has an Asus P5Q
[01:27] <darthanubis> mobo of course
[01:29] <menzza> this flash not getting installed is getting annoying
[01:33] <arash> is 9.10 LTS?
[01:33] <menzza> arash: nope
[01:33] <Steil> hey
[01:33] <Steil> anyone use uh
[01:34] <Steil> ubuntu moblin remix?
[01:35]  * mzz wonders why this dist-upgrade is installing gcj
[01:35] <mzz> java confuses me
[01:36] <ubox> anyone know how to get broadcom working in karmic?
[01:36] <ubox> 4311
[01:37] <menzza> ubox: did it work in jaunty?
[01:39] <ubox> in itrepid i had to do it the hard way. but there are drivers on broadcoms website. they have source and a make file. i compiled and then installed. but am not sure what to do next
[01:39] <ubox> jaunty didn't like my ppc, now i have an amd64
[01:39] <ubox> *based computer
[01:39] <menzza> ubox: ok so is it a laptop?
[01:39] <mzz> looks like it's because openjd stopped providing the java-virtual-machine virtual, and jython depends on that virtual. But openjdk worked just fine without gcj earlier, so huh.
[01:39] <ubox> yes, an hp dv6404ca
[01:40] <ubox> and the broadcom chipset is bcm4311
[01:40] <ubox> i got the tar from them for 64bit
[01:41] <menzza> ubox: yeah u have the same chip as I do, I had problems in jaunty I installed the propriatary drivers and they sucked, the connection was super slow
[01:41] <menzza> ubox: but I had a zyxel usb wlan card and that worked out of the box
[01:42] <ubox> yeah all i have is what inside
[01:42] <menzza> ubox: so I did not try anything else bcause I was so tired
[01:42] <ubox> this guy http://aldeby.org/blog/index.php/howto-ubuntu-linux-on-hp-pavilion-dv2000-dv6000-dv9000-series-laptops#suspend  claims that it is supported via the hardware drivers utility
[01:43] <ubox> does that require a connection to work?
[01:43] <menzza> ubox: I can try it
[01:43] <menzza> ubox: just a minute
[01:43] <ubox> ok, thanks
[01:46] <mzz> does someone know how I get the list of rdepends of a virtual package name?
[01:46] <mzz> "apt-cache rdepends java-virtual-machine" does not seem to work
[01:46] <Lars_G> Hey all
[01:47] <Lars_G> I messed up my partition trying to parted it to make a separate (and encrypted) home :'(
[01:47] <Lars_G> So I wanna reinstall
[01:48] <aliendude5300> Hi, I'm having a problem upgrading. When I  try to  upgrade, I get this error:
[01:48] <Lars_G> but the pen drive boot (netbook remix) after grub (or syslinux) tryies to mount the (damaged) hdd partition, (first detected ext part I guess).
[01:48] <aliendude5300> E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[01:48] <aliendude5300> E: Unable to lock the download directory
[01:48] <aliendude5300> Usually that means aptitude is in use but I restarted the system.
[01:48] <Lars_G> Without deleting it, (as I don't have parted bootable anymore) is there any way to specify the boot part by hand easily?
[01:48] <aliendude5300> It's still not working :/
[01:49] <aliendude5300> My hard drive isn't full, I have almost 800MB free space left.
[01:49] <aliendude5300> Any ideas?
[01:49] <ubox> try using sudo
[01:49] <aliendude5300> ubox: That's what I have been doing. Thanks anyways.
[01:50] <aliendude5300> Well actually I was using sudo su to become root first, that way I only have to type my password once.
[01:50] <ubox> oh ok, maybe another program is open? synaptec, add remove programs, etc
[01:50] <ubox> umm, maybe just use sudo <command> as regular user
[01:51] <aliendude5300> I thought that too until I ran pkill apt-get, pkill aptitude, pkill synaptic as root, and then when that didn't work I rebooted the system
[01:51] <ubox> if you continue with the same session you will usually only have to enter the pass for sudo once
[01:51] <ubox> that is rather odd
[01:51] <aliendude5300> sudo su makes you become root. You have the same privilege escalation as when you use regular sudo
[01:52] <ubox> i would just use su
[01:52] <aliendude5300> ubox: Well, that is true, although if you leave the terminal inactive, you will need the password again
[01:52] <ubox> yes, i did think it timed out once on me
[01:52] <aliendude5300> Trying the command with only sudo produces the same result though
[01:52] <ubox> wasn't sure though
[01:52] <ubox> i'm a bit stumped
[01:53] <aliendude5300> when in update-manager it says "Waiting for other tasks" but nothing is open.
[01:53] <aliendude5300> Clicking cancel causes update manager to crash, but when I hit submit report, it complains I don't have the latest updates (ironic?).
[01:53] <ubox> very ironic
[01:54] <ubox> at least you have internet
[01:54] <aliendude5300> Everything works fine, but I need to be able to update
[01:54] <ubox> i just installed on my new laptop and it has a roadcom card
[01:54] <ubox> *broadcom
[01:54] <aliendude5300> I think there is a broadcom driver, am I wrong?
[01:55] <aliendude5300> What card do you have? If unsure, use sudo lshw
[01:55] <ubox> i compiled a driver but it went into lib/modules/uname/kernel/drivers/net/wireless
[01:55] <ubox> bcw4311
[01:55] <ubox> i was trying the driver given by broadcom for 64 bit on their website
[01:55] <ubox> i could probably use the old fwcutter method
[01:55] <ubox> or bcm4311 rather?
[01:56] <ubox> but it is 4311 anyway
[01:56] <aliendude5300> On my laptop, I have an atheros chipset that worked out of the box. Never had any trouble with wireless, although I have had friends who couldn't get theirs working.
[01:56] <ubox> i think i read that it does work with the hardware driver utility as of karmic, but i think i need a connection for that tool to work
[01:57] <ubox> and i only have wifi
[01:57] <aliendude5300> Do you have ethernet on the laptop and a router?
[01:58] <aliendude5300> You could always plug it in with a cheap ethernet cord (some are actually less than $5!)
[01:58] <crf_>  hi, I am trying ubuntu karmic, and while running top, I wondered what "beam" from user "couchdb" is.
[01:58] <ubox> i wish, it is my landlords wifi he gives me
[01:59] <ubox> i could share my connection from this laptop but i tried that for my xbox and it breaks my connection
[01:59] <Lars_G> ok how do I set the usb/cdrom dev on the menu? it's not root= ?
[02:00] <Lars_G> for the usb netbook installer
[02:01] <menzza> hmm no luck with the wireless
[02:01] <aliendude5300> menzza: What's your problem?
[02:02] <menzza> aliendude5300: getting my wireless broadcom card to work.. I have now A zyxel usb wlan card and it works
[02:02]  * aliendude5300 will be right back after a reboot...
[02:02] <Lars_G> Please :(
[02:04] <ubox> so here is what i have found, there is a wl.ko in with the rest of the wireless modules, b43 etc
[02:04] <ubox> how do i modprobe that?
[02:04] <ubox> the wl.ko is what the source from broadcom created
[02:05] <s1gmab3ta> hey guys, what is the apt-get command to upgrade to karmic?
[02:05] <arand> !upgrade
[02:05] <s1gmab3ta> thank youu
[02:06] <arand> Hmm, that's no help in this case...
[02:07] <arand> update-manager -d  is usually one way...
[02:07] <crf_> arand, do man apt-get
[02:08] <burner> someone should update the UpgradeNotes wiki page
[02:08] <arand> Indeed
[02:08] <arand> "There are currently no beta versions of ubuntu" :/
[02:08] <crf_> I think sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:08] <Lars_G> is there no way to manually specify the usb pen drive's device for a live-install or live boot?
[02:08] <burner> i'm on it
[02:11] <s1gmab3ta> dist-upgrade doesn't do it
[02:11] <s1gmab3ta> i'll try update-manager -d
[02:11] <burner> yeah, that's what I just put on the wiki... "gksudo update-manager -d"
[02:12]  * burner wishes the wiki theme wasn't so ugly
[02:12] <s1gmab3ta> seems to work.
[02:13] <burner> The new look kicks so much ass
[02:13] <s1gmab3ta> burner: you mean the new look of 9.10?
[02:13] <burner> yeah
[02:13] <s1gmab3ta> yeah its pretty solid
[02:13] <burner> the boot experience & the new icons + wallpapers
[02:13] <arand> Inderdaad
[02:14] <burner> anyone know if you can move items in the notification area at all?  I wish volume was in the bottom left
[02:14] <arand> Ah, not to sure about the boot thogh... wallpaper is pretty ugly, especially on high res it's just edgy...
[02:15] <burner> oh, i just use the new options when you click change background
[02:15] <Lars_G> :'(
[02:15] <s1gmab3ta> ive only used it on my 1024x600 netbook
[02:15] <s1gmab3ta> are you talking about the dark brown with white ubuntu text
[02:15] <s1gmab3ta> or the white ubuntu logo on black
[02:15] <arand> burner: yes volume applet should be movable to anywhere....
[02:15]  * burner likes hte cherries
[02:15] <burner> arand: not in 9.10, it's part of the notification area and there is no applet anymore
[02:16] <arand> burner: ah, right, well thatn you might have to grab the whole area...
[02:17] <arand> I don't know what happens should you add specific volume control (I think, it's still add-able)...
[02:17] <burner> yeah... I've found that out... which is lame for Fitts' law.  I want to place something useable in the corner of my screen like volume
[02:17] <burner> it's not addable here
[02:17] <burner> i think someone has to make a new pulseaudio aware applet if we want it
[02:18] <ubuntu> well I dont seem to have any luck with my wireless broadcom card
[02:19] <burner> ubuntu: what happens when you click "hardware drivers"?
[02:20] <arand> I guess they're trying to shove as much as possible inside the notification area, with the whole "cleaning up tray"-sheningans(i'd say folly)
[02:20] <burner> oh well, i'll take it for the new pulse features
[02:20] <ubuntu> burner: well now it does not show any drivers because I did not push the wifi button on at statup
[02:20] <ubuntu> burner: but  normally it shows drivers
[02:21]  * burner shrugs
[02:21] <burner> and they look installed but no luck in detecting networks?
[02:22] <ubuntu> burner: well the driver is in use yes but then there is this thing calld fwcutter or somthing that does not install
[02:22] <ubuntu> ubuntu: well it didnt work in jaunty either so
[02:23] <burner> are you installed or livecd?
[02:23] <burner> fwcutter refers to firmware
[02:23] <ubuntu> burner: live usb
[02:24] <burner> i bet it works on an installed system
[02:24] <burner> once you get the firmware that is
[02:25] <chu_> Anyone had any luck getting gnome-do to run on Karmic?
[02:25] <ubuntu> burner: ok well I have jaunty installed on this computer but i had no luck there either
[02:25] <ubox> ubuntu: i too am having a horrid time with my broadcom card
[02:25] <ubox> i even tried the driver broadcom supplies for us
[02:26] <menzza> ubox: yeah ;/
[02:26] <ubox> lol
[02:26] <ubox> hey :)
[02:26] <menzza> ubox: hey ;O
[02:26] <menzza> ;P
[02:26] <menzza> ubox: I cant understand why it does not work
[02:27] <menzza> ubox: did u install fwcutter=
[02:27] <ubox> this is going to drive me crazy, it appears to work but i can't connect to anything or see networks
[02:27] <milos_1> is irc working in empathy?
[02:27] <menzza> damn keyboard :P
[02:27] <ubox> not yet menzza
[02:27] <ubox> that is my last resort
[02:27] <menzza> ubox: yeah.. well we have the same issue
[02:28] <ubox> there are already both b43 and b43legacy modules installed, i blacklisted them and not it doesn't work at all. with them not black listed it works but not networks show up
[02:29] <menzza> ubox: yeah.. well one would think that the proprietary driver would work out of the box but guess not
[02:30] <chu_> Or, does anyone know of a good irc channel concerning bison/flex? :p
[02:30] <ubox> ya, i dunno. i'm going to see if i can connect to my phone tethered as adhoc
[02:31] <menzza> ubox: okey
[02:34] <ubox> i'm going to lose my hair
[02:34] <aliendude5300> milos_1: I'm in empathy's IRC right now.Seems to be working
[02:35] <milos_1> aliendude5300: hm, well I'm doing something wrong then
[02:35] <ubox> menzza have you got resume working?
[02:36] <milos_1> aliendude5300: what I need to put in account text entry?
[02:36] <aliendude5300> did you connect to the server, and then type #ubuntu+1 as the room?
[02:36] <ubox> mine suspends to ram but resumes to black, the hdd light goes when i click or type though
[02:36] <aliendude5300> You should leave it blank unless you have a registered account on freenode that identifies via MsgServ.
[02:36] <ubox> it's like it doesn't resume the video
[02:37] <aliendude5300> maybe just put in username
[02:37] <milos_1> aliendude5300: it gives me error, can't connect. Ok, I'll try it
[02:38] <luka> hello, ive installed startupmanager and it downgrade grub... i reinstalled grub-pc but now i cant see the menu on the startup of my computer... how can i fix this?
[02:40] <milos_1> aliendude5300: i don't get it. How empathy knows to which server to connect. Where should I enter this info? Still can't connect
[02:42] <aliendude5300> Select it under network, in my case, I selected "FreeNode".
[02:42] <luka> no idea about this??
[02:43] <nemo> *sigh*
[02:43] <nemo> pulseaudio + SDL still = fail in karmic :-/
[02:44] <Dr_Willis> The grub2 menu can be hidden by default ediut the /etc/default/grub file and comment out the  line about 'hidden'
[02:44] <Dr_Willis> #GRUB_HIDDEN_TIMEOUT=0
[02:44] <Dr_Willis> luka and that should Unhide the menu
[02:45] <luka> ok i will try it thanks
[02:46] <nemo> 100% CPU usage
[02:46] <nemo> on both cores eventually
[02:46] <nemo> (first in process then in, um, pulse I think)
[02:46] <nemo> then lockups
[02:46] <nemo> ugh
[02:46]  * nemo sighs and disables sound again
[02:47] <wastrel> bugs are annoying
[02:47] <wastrel> did you know there's a bug in url parsing in gnome-terminal
[02:47] <oldude67> ugh brain just died, whats the command to run grub?
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> sudo update-grub to have it reconfigure itself
[02:48] <oldude67> thanks...i knew it wasnt nothing huge..just couldnt remember.
[02:49] <nemo>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[02:49] <nemo>  5418 nemo      20   0  286m 166m  12m R  112  5.5   4:06.41 hwengine
[02:49] <nemo> 23789 nemo      20   0  123m  55m  12m S   46  1.8   9:44.88 compiz.real
[02:49]  * nemo sighs
[02:49] <nemo> and scrambled sound
[02:49] <nemo> until I kill pulseaudio
[02:51] <oldude67> i never thought i would say it, but god i wished they would of left alsa alone...pulse has been nothing but a headache.
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> ive not had any issues with it untill 9.10 - now i get the little poping every time it starts to play a sound after being quiet for a while
[02:52] <nemo>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
[02:52] <nemo>  8368 nemo      20   0  275m 165m  10m R  151  5.5   2:38.30 hwengine
[02:52] <nemo> 23789 nemo      20   0  123m  55m  12m R   30  1.8  10:19.13 compiz.real
[02:52] <nemo> really is at 100% of both cores
[02:52] <nemo> and so on
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> No idea what hwengine even is
[02:53] <nemo> Hedgewars
[02:53] <nemo> .11 uses SDL audio
[02:53] <nemo> .12 uses openal
[02:53] <oldude67> when i first started to use linux as my main system i was using slackware, and alsa was never seeing my sound card, then i switched to ubuntu and didnt have a problem till this pulse audio came out.
[02:53] <nemo> both have major issues w/ pulse
[02:53] <nemo> so does Wesnoth actually
[02:53] <ubox> bah, i hate this thing
[02:53] <Amaranth> nemo: I'm more surprised by the compiz CPU usage
[02:54] <Amaranth> nemo: This game doesn't have a frame limiter?
[02:54] <nemo> I have frame rate restricted to 100fps at the moment
[02:54] <nemo> but I had issues even at 30fps
[02:54] <Amaranth> ah
[02:54] <nemo> this card can do 250fps w/o breaking a sweat
[02:54] <Amaranth> but why?
[02:54] <Amaranth> more than 60 is a waste
[02:54] <nemo> was just playing around
[02:54] <nemo> enjoying new card
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> moar is betterz
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> bye all
[02:56] <milos_1> aliendude5300: where is that network option? I can find it. http://imagebin.ca/view/sTzTU97C.html
[02:56] <milos_1> s/can/can't
[02:59] <aliendude5300> milos_1: whoa... my empathy interface is totally different :/ http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/5646/screenshotaccounts.png
[02:59] <nemo> oldude67: you're not the only one. pulseaudio was an experiment and we are the guineapigs
[02:59] <nemo> the free alpha testers
[03:00] <Skif> I haven't been able to record diddly with my microphone since upgrading to karmic. :(
[03:00] <milos_1> aliendude5300: when did you last updated your system?
[03:00] <aliendude5300> Today.
[03:00] <oldude67> nemo, at one time i uninstalled it for a while it was so buggy but i thought maybe i would try for a while to see if it would be use able now. im learning fast its still a pain in the arse.
[03:00] <aliendude5300> worked before then too though
[03:00] <nemo> oldude67: i'm still on it only to support other users of default config
[03:01] <nemo> so I can know their pain
[03:01] <milos_1> hm
[03:03] <darthanubis> Yup, Alpha install disk works but not the Beta...
[03:03] <darthanubis> Good thing I kept the Alpha iso on my computer
[03:04] <milos_1> aliendude5300: I guess I screwed up with dist-upgrade. One telepathy package was removed so it's probably my fault.
[03:06] <pete__> can anyone help me access my work email (tried everything seriously)
[03:08] <nemo> pete__: what is your work e-mail?
[03:08] <nemo> exchange?
[03:08] <pete__> think so
[03:08] <nemo> 2003 or 2007?
[03:09] <pete__> http://webmail.alleghenycounty.us
[03:09] <nemo> try webdav
[03:09] <nemo> in Exchange
[03:09] <nemo> will work against 2003
[03:09] <nemo> you'll need the OWA url
[03:10] <pete__> owa
[03:10] <nemo> owa connector is in Exchange.
[03:10] <nemo> also irc://irc.gimp.net/evolution
[03:10] <nemo> can help too
[03:10] <nemo> I'm playing a game right now
[03:11] <nemo> so slow to answer
[03:11] <nemo> talking between turns of Hedgewars :)
[03:11] <nemo> pete__: Outlook Web Access
[03:11] <pete__> how do i figure out what settings for evelution
[03:11] <nemo> um
[03:11] <nemo> well.
[03:11] <nemo> look and google. and if I have a moment, I can try walking through
[03:11] <nemo> if you don't manage
[03:12] <pete__> k
[03:12] <nemo> try that link above too
[03:12] <nemo> IRC url
[03:12] <nemo> assuming your client supports :)
[03:13] <pete__> k on
[03:13] <nemo> pete__: also. your workplace might support IMAP
[03:13] <nemo> I'll scan later maybe
[03:13] <nemo> that would be perfect
[03:13] <nemo> if they support macs there is a good chance of that
[03:13] <pete__> ok
[03:14] <pete__> i even tried xp in a vm
[03:15] <nemo> that definitely should have worked :)
[03:15] <pete__> did not
[03:15] <pete__> lol
[03:17] <nemo> pete__: webmail.alleghenycounty.us does not have IMAP open :(
[03:17] <nemo> you should ask them to :)
[03:17] <pete__> :(
[03:17] <pete__> hah
[03:17] <nemo> anyway. found the connector for OWA?
[03:17] <pete__> no
[03:17] <pete__> im new to all this sorry
[03:17] <menzza> ok my broadcom wireless works now hooraaay
[03:18] <menzza> but I cant seem to install flash player
[03:18] <nemo> menzza: are you on AMD64? :)
[03:18] <menzza> error message Unable to read filedescriptor
[03:18] <menzza> yes with 32bits ubuntu
[03:19] <nemo> menzza: oh??
[03:19] <nemo> why 32 bit ubuntu?
[03:19] <nemo> that seems silly
[03:19] <menzza> nemo: old laptop :P
[03:19] <nemo> so?
[03:20] <menzza> would not perform any better with 64bit
[03:21] <menzza> atleast i think this beta version is 32bit :D
[03:21]  * nemo fires up exchange while playing Hedgewars to see if he can give pete__ better directions
[03:21] <menzza> how do I check if I have 32 bits or 64 ubuntu?
[03:22] <jbuncher> has anyone set up samba sharing from a winxp guest to a karmic host in virtualbox-ose?
[03:22] <nemo> uname -a ? :)
[03:22] <nemo> jbuncher: wait. why *samba* ?
[03:22] <nemo> oh. 'cause you don't want to use guest additions?
[03:22] <nemo> principle of the thing?
[03:22] <jbuncher> nemo, what else is there to use?
[03:23] <nemo> jbuncher: virtualbox guest additions + host mount
[03:23] <menzza> already got it
[03:23] <jbuncher> nemo, is that possible on the ose virtualbox?
[03:23] <menzza> thx anyway
[03:23] <nemo> jbuncher: nope :)  - thus the "principle of the thing" :)
[03:23] <nemo> me I just add virtualbox to my package hosts
[03:23] <menzza> still dont know why i am not able to install flash player
[03:24] <jbuncher> nemo, yeah.  I'm having issues getting vmware to run each time I upgrade, so I'm trying to not get trapped in another proprietary minefield.  Just want the open source stuff.
[03:24] <nemo> menzza: if you were on 64 bit I'd suggest using the native 10 beta player :)
[03:24] <menzza> nemo: hehe yes :) but on my desktop flash works and that's 32 bit
[03:24] <nemo> jbuncher: mm. virtualbox isn't as bad as vmware
[03:24] <mahdi> Hi, I cannot use persian character in Wine applications ! should I add my language somewhere ?
[03:24] <nemo> jbuncher: and it has never given me problems on upgrade
[03:24] <menzza> nemo: so I dont really see why it would not work on my crappy laptop :P
[03:24] <nemo> jbuncher: good IRC channel too
[03:25] <nemo> menzza: /me shrugs.
[03:25] <nemo> heh
[03:25] <jbuncher> nemo, ok.  Also, in my current vmware vm, I have it set up using samba, so I like that approach.  Not sure if I can do the same thing though.  Does vbox create its own network devices, like vmware does with vmnet?
[03:25] <nemo> jbuncher: and of course, the only difference really is guest additions.
[03:26] <nemo> jbuncher: the vbox manual is much better at explaining. or #vbox on this server
[03:26] <pete__> nemo, so what was i doing lol
[03:26] <nemo> jbuncher: but it is either using host bridging
[03:26] <nemo> jbuncher: or a virtual network.
[03:26] <nemo> relaying to host network device
[03:26] <nemo> jbuncher: anyway. if you decide to use their vbox, you can always switch to OSE.
[03:26] <nemo> jbuncher: the two are basically same apart from guest additions
[03:27] <JamesB192> One of the last 800 or so updates broke KDE4 on my Dell Inspiron 1501. Which is to say I restarted it and the system locks, not even responding to the magic sysrq.
[03:27] <nemo> jbuncher: but guest additions allows for better mouse integration, graphics accel, just better experience in my book. still. congrats on principles and all that :D
[03:27] <nemo> ok... back to pete :D
[03:28] <jbuncher> nemo, yeah, well, it's because compromising my principles with vmware just ends up biting me on every upgrade.
[03:28] <nemo> heh
[03:28] <nemo> so not the same :)
[03:29] <nemo> pete__: ok. are you in the setup wizard for evolution?
[03:29] <pete__> yea
[03:29] <nemo> picked "Microsoft Exchange" ?
[03:30] <pete__> i dont know what ports the server is even on
[03:30] <nemo> don't need port
[03:30] <nemo> exchange uses web connector
[03:30] <nemo> 80 or 443
[03:31] <nemo> pete__: you see the part for OWA URL though, right?
[03:31] <pete__> nemo<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:31] <pete__> is that a valid login
[03:32] <nemo> could be
[03:32] <pete__> k
[03:32] <nemo> although you might not need the part after the @
[03:32] <nemo> experiment
[03:33] <pete__> ssl?
[03:33] <nemo> that would probably be best
[03:33] <nemo> pete__: BTW, OWA is not ideal. Exchange likes to disconnect me from mine
[03:33] <nemo> pete__: but your server appears to expose nothing else
[03:33] <pete__> um
[03:33] <pete__> i dont see owa
[03:33] <pete__> i see imap etc
[03:33] <nemo> ...
[03:33] <nemo> pete__: in the list of connection types
[03:34] <nemo> Microsoft Exchange is one of them
[03:34] <pete__> yea
[03:34] <nemo> pick that
[03:34] <pete__> ok
[03:34] <nemo> now do you see OWA?
[03:34] <pete__> no im lookingat where it says server type
[03:34] <pete__> no option for owa or exchange
[03:34] <nemo> server type
[03:34] <nemo> Microsoft Exchange
[03:34] <nemo> once you pick that you'll see OWA below
[03:34] <pete__> im serious i dont see that
[03:35] <nemo> pick it already. geez :-p
[03:35] <pete__> im on receiving mail
[03:36] <nemo> pete__: if you really selected Microsoft Exchange
[03:37] <nemo> it would change the options
[03:37] <nemo> this isn't a help channel troll I hope
[03:37] <pete__> i dont see it im serious hold on i think i needed
[03:37] <nemo> those are really annoying
[03:37] <pete__> a plugin
[03:37] <pete__> a troll, seriously dude im not scamming
[03:37] <nemo> 'k :)
[03:37] <nemo> pete__: I thought it could be plugin. but you claimed you saw Microsoft Exchange in list
[03:37] <nemo> if you didn't have plugin you wouldn't see that option
[03:38]  * JamesB192 coughs, 'VNC.'
[03:38] <wastrel> hrm my nautilus is barfing rendering .jpg thumbnails
[03:38] <pete__> nemo, ok got it now
[03:38] <mahdi> Can Wine support other languages ?
[03:38] <pete__> whats the owa url
[03:38] <nemo> http://blog.fosketts.net/2008/08/25/determine-outlook-web-access-url/
[03:39] <nemo> pete__: if you can't figure it out using procedure there. can try guessing syntax
[03:39] <nemo> tends to be pretty standard
[03:40] <pete__><EMAIL_ADDRESS>[03:41] <wastrel> my evince is broken too
[03:41] <wastrel> hrm
[03:42] <nick125> I could've sworn that Jaunty used 64-bit flash, but it looks like Karmic is using 32-bit...anyway to get the 64-bit flash without manually installing it?
[03:42] <wastrel> my koala is b0rky
[03:43] <nemo> nick125: manual install only AFAIK
[03:43] <nemo> nick125: since 64 bit is still beta
[03:44] <pete__> nemo, https://webmail.alleghenycounty.us/owa/dhs\t101352/?cmd=contents&module=inbox
[03:44] <nemo> https://webmail.alleghenycounty.us/owa - that part is probably all it wants though
[03:44] <nemo> for a URL
[03:45] <pete__> dhst/t101352
[03:46] <pete__> is the user name as far as i know
[03:46] <pete__> using that for a url does not work
[03:48] <nemo> pete__: bleah.
[03:48] <nemo> you tried auth and it failed?
[03:49] <nemo> might be just bad username format
[03:49] <nemo> dhst\t101352 mebbe
[03:49] <pete__> https://webmail.alleghenycounty.us/owa/dhst/t101352@alleghenycounty.us/?cmd=contents&module=inbox
[03:51] <boondoklife> Anyone know whats up with the status on the indicator applet? It has the statuses but none of them are clickable.
[03:51] <nemo> pete__: well. you can always get the OWA from Outlook if you have a preconfigured client somewhere
[03:52] <nemo> pete__: hm. lemme see if I can dig up format of the one I'm using at work
[03:53] <pete__> k
[04:02] <pete__> any idea nemo
[04:02] <nemo> hey. I'm busy playing games :-p
[04:02] <pete__> k..
[04:02] <nemo> BTW, you really should ask 'em whether they have imap open
[04:02] <nemo> and if you have Outlook setup
[04:02] <nemo> look for OWA there
[04:03] <pete__> once i get the owa i should be in business?
[04:05] <nemo> pete__: yep
[04:06] <nemo> pete__: assuming your server's performance is decent
[04:06] <nemo> Exchange can talk to outlook over MAPI (still very very much beta)
[04:06] <nemo> OWA (only 2003 - since MS changed the reverse engineered protocol in 2007)
[04:06] <nemo> or ideally, IMAP/POP
[04:06] <nemo> which Exchange does support
[04:07] <wastrel> ms is bad
[04:14] <Kraln> heh, compiling ubuntu kernel on netbook = die of old age
[04:18] <alankila> last time I compiled kernel from ubuntu packages it compiled something like 20 packages and took gigabytes
[04:18] <nemo> pete__: FWIW, took a break from Hedgewars to pull up my work Evolution config
[04:19] <nemo> pete__: I have username set to just my account name on the network
[04:19] <wastrel> is hedgewars about gardening?
[04:19] <wastrel> what's hedgewars
[04:19] <nemo> pete__: and I have the OWA URL set to https://webmail.mydomain.foo/exchange/
[04:19] <nemo> pete__: g/l
[04:19] <nemo> wastrel: http://hedgewars.org
[04:20] <xnok> bb
[04:20] <wastrel> why is it called hedgewars
[04:20] <nemo> wastrel: if you do decide to try it, don't use the package in repo. http://www.getdeb.net/app/Hedgewars <- that one is up to date
[04:20] <nemo> wastrel: Hedgehog wars ?
[04:21] <alankila> *sigh* content assist in the karmic's ubuntu packages for eclipse is somehow broken. Do I really have to uninstall this package and fetch it from eclipse.org again?
[04:21] <nemo> alankila: heh.
[04:21] <nemo> alankila: personally I use a PPA version
[04:21] <nemo> WFM ok.
[04:21] <nemo> but I had similar-ish issues
[04:21] <nemo> I haven't retested official package lately
[04:21] <nemo> alankila: have you checked to see if old-style content install works? I seem to recall something about new style not working in the eclipse 3.5 tracking bug
[04:22] <nemo> the PPA was mentioned in that bug too
[04:22] <alankila> I am unable to find a way to switch between either new or old style content assist. I can find the preferences item for content assist, though.
[04:23] <alankila> in any case it's not worth the bother. I'll just switch back to the official release.
[04:23] <nemo> alankila: yeah. dunno what to say. I'm sticking w/ the PPA one for a while personally
[04:23] <wastrel> what's content assist
[04:23] <wastrel> ah eclipse nvm
[04:24] <wastrel> scrolled up
[04:24] <nemo> alankila: BTW. the new svn support for Eclipse seems to work much more reliably than subclipse for me.
[04:24] <alankila> Incredibly, I'm still using CVS myself
[04:25] <nemo> wow.
[04:25] <nemo> took me a long time to give up on CVS
[04:25] <nemo> still can do some things svn can't
[04:25] <nemo> but svn has a few better tricks up its sleeve, and support tends to be better
[04:26] <alankila> While I'm inclined to agree, in any case CVS was selected before my time for the projects I'm involved with, and forcing a change isn't anywhere high up in my list of priorities.
[04:26] <nemo> svn migration is pretty automatic :)
[04:27] <alankila> yes, I've seen it done, actually...
[04:27] <nemo> pete__: sooo. did you get my username/url example above?
[04:27] <nemo> hope it helps
[04:27] <nemo> g'nite
[04:28] <alankila> But I've had it in mind to try out git. If I can figure out how that thing works.
[04:39] <DanaG> grr, how do I make devkit-disks mount something with uid bits allowed?
[04:40] <DanaG> I'm trying to chroot to another drive, and it's not respecting SUID.
[04:45] <JamesB192> remove the nosuid flag from /etc/fstab . j/k
[04:46]  * JamesB192 hates rebooting his karmic kubuntu because it seems to have 'issues' getting started very often.
[04:46] <DanaG> It's an external drive, so I don't have it in fstab.
[04:46] <DanaG> Perhaps I should just put it... in fstab.
[04:47] <TheRealmezquital> how come I have to manually grab an ip using ifdown and then ifup??  I have to do this every time I boot up to karmic
[04:47] <TheRealmezquital> i only need to do this while connected using a wire
[04:47] <JamesB192> you would trust arbitrary drives to have suid files?
[04:48] <chu_> Hi guys, I think I didn't enable some repos or something, anyway, does anyone know what I need to add so "sudo apt-get install gnat-gps" works? I had it working on Jaunty, so I installed it from somewhere, I thought I copied the same sources.list across, but perhaps I installed it another way :p
[04:48]  * JamesB192 dons a copper-sheet beanie, 'That's just crazy.'
[04:53] <chu_> Sweet, found it.
[04:54] <chu_> Any Australians here who use bigpond?
[04:56] <fulat2k> hi folks, i just upgraded from 9.04 to 9.10 beta.  system's using nvidia restr. driver with intel HD audio rev 02.  for starters, X doesn't startup properly if I choose the new kernel.  keeps on flickering.  if i choose the previous kernel, I get Gnome screen as usual but the sound card doesn't get recognized.  any ideas?
[04:59] <JamesB192> One of the last 800 or so updates broke KDE4 on my Dell Inspiron 1501. Which is to say I restarted it (after upgrades) and logging into KDE the system locks, not even responding to the magic sysrq.
[05:01] <gorgonzola> ok, the latest fglrx update killed my 3d acceleration. help?
[05:04] <JamesB192> I don't suppose there is some easy way to start KDE not all at once to try an isolate my problem.
[05:06] <Amaranth> JamesB192: ati?
[05:06] <gorgonzola> anyone else having problems with fglrx 8.660?
[05:07] <JamesB192> Yes, RS480 and SB600 .
[05:07] <Amaranth> JamesB192: it's kwin compositing killing it
[05:08] <Amaranth> JamesB192: mesa regression
[05:08] <DanaG> RS480 shouldn't use fglrx.
[05:08] <Amaranth> DanaG: and fglrx doesn't use mesa
[05:08] <petafile> So, I can't boot the live CD.  I started trying with alpha 6 and still can't.  Menu loads fine, and then either try/install both just go to a black screen, and install even stops outputting a signal to my monitor.  Can anyone point me to a workaround?
[05:08] <DanaG> hmm, are there overlapping conversations colliding, then?
[05:08] <petafile> gf8800 card
[05:08] <arielCo> Hello everyone. What should I do after an upgrade that was aborted automatically? My system is still functional after installing lots of packages, and dist-upgrade.py tried do "dpkg --reconfigure -a" but I don't know if that succeeded.
[05:09] <Amaranth> DanaG: yeah :)
[05:09] <DanaG> ah, I see... I mixed up gorgonzola and JamesB192.
[05:12]  * arielCo ponders what to do next...
[05:12] <chu_> Sweet
[05:12] <chu_> I can restore my entire Jaunty system.
[05:12] <arielCo> !bug 446916
[05:14] <gorgonzola> DanaG, sorry, were you talking to me?
[05:14] <DanaG> No, I was just getting confused by those two conversations... one about radeon and one about fglrx.  =þ
[05:15] <gorgonzola> oh. anyone here knows why fglrx got svrewed after update to 8.660?
[05:15] <DanaG> hmm, fglrx is working fine for me... but I need the x-server-backclear patch to make window operations not lag like crazy.
[05:15] <gorgonzola> DRI doesn't load, but the module is loaded, and i can't rebuild it with module-assistant
[05:16] <DanaG> fglrx is a DKMS thing.
[05:16] <DanaG> #ati might also be able to help.
[05:16] <gorgonzola> nonono, this is before any patch, i had that in jaunty but removed it now. but i had a manually installed fglrx working all right, now it got updated and is not working anymore
[05:17] <gorgonzola> will ask there...
[05:17] <DanaG> ah, did the manually installed one use packages, or just raw install?
[05:17] <DanaG> If it's raw install, that can cause problems.
[05:17] <yellowrooster> hi. how do i know if i have xine OR gstreamer installed? (I'm wanting to run floola)
[05:19] <gorgonzola> DanaG, i built a deb from the ati .run
[05:19] <DanaG> ah, that's the right way -- cool.
[05:20] <DanaG> Hmm, check in dmesg for fglrx and drm?
[05:20] <gorgonzola> yeah, there's a bunch of meesages there...
[05:20] <DanaG> And check if i915, or radeon, is randomly deciding to load, and blocking fglrx.
[05:20] <gorgonzola> would you mind looking at the logs in pastebin?
[05:21] <DanaG> hmm, I can give it a try.
[05:22] <len> The last round of updates broke fglrx for me.  I switched the the open ati driver, and get a desktop, but kwin crashes repeatedly.  Seems like something is hosed in the last xorg update.
[05:22] <gorgonzola> len my problem precisely
[05:22] <gorgonzola> len do you get a failed dri with fglrx too?
[05:23] <gorgonzola> len cos i can get a working X, but no 3d acc
[05:23] <gorgonzola> len and kwin seems stable for now...
[05:23] <len> I can't even get a desktop.
[05:23] <gorgonzola> len, oh, so you hosed real bad... different issues then.
[05:26] <len> btw, I tired to use the pae enabled kernel (to access more than 3gb in 32-bit mode), but it it kept crashing kwin, but regular (non-pae) bios worked fine.  Now, after last updates regular kwin crashes in regular kernel like it was doing in pae kernel.
[05:27] <len> gorgonzola,  Was your system working ok before today's update?
[05:27] <chu_> Hey guys, how do I turn off the sound whend the gdm-replacement loads? (not the sound when logging into the desktop)
[05:27] <len> Mine was working very nicely (on non-pae) bios before last round of update a couple of hours ago.
[05:28]  * chu_ is happily not updating :p
[05:28] <TheRealmezquital> how come I have to manually grab an ip using ifdown and then ifup??  I have to do this every time I boot up to karmic
[05:29] <len> I should have left well-enough alone, and waited 'til at least rc, if not final for updating.
[05:29] <Amaranth> len: Your kwin crash is a mesa regression
[05:30] <Amaranth> bug 446578
[05:30] <DanaG> ugh, pulseaudio keeps dying and going all spastic.
[05:31] <len> Any Idea why the pae enabled version still had this exact problem even before todays updates?
[05:31] <gorgonzola> len, yup. ok, it had some issues because the kubuntu ppa was carrying a lot of broken packages, and i had to clean and reinstall a whole bunch, but fglrx was wrking flawlessly...
[05:31] <gorgonzola> len i wouldn't know anything a bout this pae fella you mention.
[05:32] <gorgonzola> but i'm pissed at this fglrx thingy. this is sooo dapper or hardy or i dont know how many releases ago. thougt we had it solved by now :@
[05:32] <len> It's the version to get access to more than 3gb on 32-bit
[05:33] <gorgonzola> oh, ok. sounds unstable :P
[05:33] <causasui> anyone else having problems with flash on karmic amd64? specifically, some flash elements do not respond to input from the mouse
[05:35] <len> As of yesterday, my system was running very, very smoothly under karmic.  I was just commenting how much smoother it was running for me than jaunty.  :)
[05:35] <len> Guess I jinxed myself.
[05:45] <len> I don't actually crash back to kdm, I just end up running without a window manager at all, and no plasma panel, which is pretty strange.  Apps are borderless, and you have to shutdown from the file/quit menu item.
[05:49] <commander_> ok guys i'm upgrading 2 9.10 beta .the last time it was no sound.crossing my fingers n wish me luck
[05:49] <gorgonzola> soooo, any help with debugging fglrx? DRI no longer works after update to 8.660
[05:49] <gorgonzola> commander: good luck
[05:49] <alakhia> i upgraded and lost sound as well
[05:49] <alakhia> is that a known bug?
[05:50] <commander_> thnks gorgonzola
[05:50] <alakhia> i'm using mythbuntu if that makes any difference
[05:51] <alakhia> not having sound in mythbuntu really defeats the purpose!
[05:52] <alakhia> so is no sound a known problem or should I report a bug?
[05:52] <alakhia> also,  is there a workaround please?
[05:53] <alakhia> anyone?
[05:54] <khaeru> Hallo
[05:56] <alakhia> hi
[05:57] <X-Sleepy-X> Hi! Is it true that this graphics bug has been fixed with the latest dailt build of Karmic? https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/431812
[05:58] <X-Sleepy-X> :)
[05:59] <len> I had lot of sound issues with sound on my mythbuntu machine.   It's working now, so I'm not touching til final.
[06:01] <alakhia> how did you fix it, len?
[06:01] <yellowrooster> hi folks. floola (floola.com) relies on libstdc++5.  I tried  sudo apt-get install libstdc++5. But "E: Package libstdc++5 has no installation candidate"
[06:02] <Amaranth> yellowrooster: it has been removed since it was a part of gcc-3.3 (!)
[06:02] <len> Well, at first it was resetting the front channel to 0 after each reboot, so I had to mess with alsamixer gui after each reboot.
[06:02] <yellowrooster> Amaranth: i see. what do u suggest i use then if i wanna make floola work? (I'm a newbie)
[06:02] <Amaranth> there really is no solution right now
[06:02] <yellowrooster> Amaranth: ok.
[06:03] <Amaranth> someone will probably resurrect it in a PPA or something
[06:03] <RussellAlan> Hello all
[06:03] <chu_> hey RussellAlan
[06:03] <RussellAlan> Had these same problems in kubuntu 9.04, just upgraded to 9.10.
[06:03] <yellowrooster> Amaranth: can i get the file from somewhere? (What do you mean it was removed?)
[06:03] <RussellAlan> Problem: Mouse jumping around eracticly
[06:04] <RussellAlan> Now in 9.10 it's 10x worse.
[06:04] <Amaranth> yellowrooster: I mean gcc-3.3 is like 6 years old so we removed it
[06:04] <gorgonzola> okokok, silly me. last update updated both fglrx AND kernel, so DKMS never ran for this kernel, hence fglrx was incompatible. running DKMS again solved my fglrx issue.
[06:04] <gorgonzola> thanks to all for your time.
[06:04] <yellowrooster> Amaranth: ok. but is there no way to get the libstdc++5 somehow?
[06:04] <yellowrooster> or make some similar file work with floola?
[06:05] <Amaranth> yellowrooster: No way that I would recommend to someone who doesn't already know it (sorry)
[06:05] <yellowrooster> huh?
[06:05] <Amaranth> yellowrooster: If you knew enough about how the system works for me to be comfortable helping you get that file back you would already know how to get that file back
[06:05] <Amaranth> bit of a catch-22, really
[06:06] <RussellAlan> Anyone know how to control the mouse from bouncing around?
[06:06] <ghendar> RussellAlan, KDE?
[06:06] <yellowrooster> let's break the catch-22
[06:07] <RussellAlan> ghendar yes
[06:07] <X-Sleepy-X> RussellAlan: What you need to really is to counter-attack the movements manually. ;)
[06:07] <gorgonzola> DanaG, what was the name for the no-back-fill patch in karmic?
[06:07] <RussellAlan> X-Sleepy-X tried, but it's super slick
[06:07] <RussellAlan> i was on a webpage and it kept going for the same button
[06:07] <RussellAlan> no matter where i positioned my mouse.
[06:07] <RussellAlan> theres a ghost in my system
[06:07] <RussellAlan> that wants me to follow certain twitter accounts
[06:08] <RussellAlan> the tweet ghost!
[06:08] <X-Sleepy-X> RussellAlan: Sounds almost like those fake webpages where you can't hit a button no matter what you try.
[06:08] <Amaranth> yellowrooster: I'll give you a hint: What is the most recent version of Ubuntu that had that package?
[06:08] <yellowrooster> ubuntu 9.04
[06:08] <RussellAlan> yeah but seriously... I am on windows right now because of that bs
[06:09] <yellowrooster> how do i get a ubuntu 9.04 package into my ubuntu 9.10 system?
[06:09] <ghendar> RussellAlan, in KDE4 System Setting->Desktop->Launch Feedback change "Bouncing Cursor" to something else of your choosing
[06:09] <Amaranth> yellowrooster: manually download and install it
[06:09] <yellowrooster> Amaranth: or, is there some way for floola to use a more up-to-date file?
[06:09] <chu_> yellowrooster, manually grab the source and compile it
[06:09] <assoguerozen_sx> guys, k3b didnt working with mp3 files here, thats normal?
[06:09] <chu_> Ergh, too slow.
[06:09] <Amaranth> no no, no need for compiling this one
[06:09] <chu_> Oh, sorry.
[06:10] <len> gorgonzola, I updated fglrx and kenel at same time too, and fglrx stopped working.   What do I need to run?
[06:10] <RussellAlan> ghendar: are you serious? i didnt follow what you were getting at. Do a feedback report?
[06:10] <Amaranth> yellowrooster: http://packages.ubuntu.com/libstdc++5
[06:10] <X-Sleepy-X> Time for me to install the latest daily build.
[06:10] <alakhia> len: I checked alsamixer and sure enuf the front is at 0. I bumped it up to 100 and still no sound
[06:10] <ghendar> RussellAlan, to turn off the bouncing cursor... that was your question no?
[06:10] <X-Sleepy-X> ttyl
[06:11] <RussellAlan> Not bouncing cursor. It moves around without my input
[06:11] <ghendar> RussellAlan, ah... my bad ;)
[06:11] <RussellAlan> heh
[06:11] <alakhia> RussellAlan: not related to KDE's bouncing cursor huh?
[06:11] <yellowrooster> Amaranth: thanks
[06:11] <RussellAlan> i was about to say... theres a mode to make my cursor bounce across the screen to its liking
[06:11] <len> Try messing around, turning the channels on and off after setting to 100.  It's strange.
[06:12] <alakhia> RussellAlan: are you on a laptop using a touchpad?
[06:12] <RussellAlan> laptop.
[06:12] <RussellAlan> but linked into docking station
[06:12] <ghendar> RussellAlan, perhaps they've advanced the libraries so far that it can now read your thoughts for input... stop thinking about it and see if it still moves  ;)
[06:12] <Amaranth> of course libstdc++6 is 3 years old at this point so I would hope people would build against it instead but apparently some don't...
[06:12] <RussellAlan> hmm...
[06:12] <alakhia> so you are using a usb mouse?
[06:12] <assoguerozen_sx> guys, k3b didnt working with mp3 files here, thats normal?
[06:12] <RussellAlan> ghendar, lemme meditate on that one =D
[06:12] <ghendar> RussellAlan, bwaahaaha
[06:13] <RussellAlan> usb mouse yes, but you gave me the idea alakhia, that maybe it is my screen beeing closed.
[06:13] <Amaranth> assoguerozen_sx: Can you play mp3s with other KDE apps?
[06:13] <RussellAlan> although I am on windows right now and not having any issues other then the fact im on windows and probably have 4 trojans installed
[06:13] <assoguerozen_sx> Amaranth not on kde... im using gnome
[06:13] <Amaranth> assoguerozen_sx: so use brasero
[06:13] <assoguerozen_sx> ... =/
[06:14] <assoguerozen_sx> k3b so better
[06:14] <alakhia> assoguerozen_sx: try installing: libk3b6-extracodecs
[06:14] <ghendar> assoguerozen_sx, do you have libk3b6-extracodecs installed?
[06:14] <assoguerozen_sx> but in gnome i can normally work with mp3
[06:14] <assoguerozen_sx> oh lets take a look
[06:14] <RussellAlan> i would love to do a video screen capture to document this ghost cursor.
[06:14] <Amaranth> I thought he needed libxine1-plugins
[06:15] <assoguerozen_sx> ghendar didnt have the lib, now i marked in synaptic
[06:15] <assoguerozen_sx> thx
[06:15] <ghendar> assoguerozen_sx, np
[06:15] <jdsbluedevl> hi, got a weird question.  How do I keep linux-386 from showing up when I run "aptitude -f install"?
[06:16] <jdsbluedevl> I don't want that package, as that kernel messes up my system when I boot from it
[06:16] <yellowrooster> Amaranth: Is there going to be some disadvantages to getting and using a Ubuntu 9.04 package/file in a Ubuntu 9.10 system?
[06:17] <Amaranth> yellowrooster: considering the package doesn't exist in karmic I can't think of any serious ones
[06:17] <yellowrooster> Amaranth: Is there a way to make floola use a more up-to-date lib* file?
[06:17] <Amaranth> yellowrooster: ask them to recompile it
[06:17] <causasui> anyone else having problems with flash on karmic amd64? specifically, some flash elements do not respond to input from the mouse
[06:17] <yellowrooster> ok. will make that suggestion. thanks.
[06:18] <Amaranth> causasui: bug 410407
[06:18] <assoguerozen_sx> causasui had same problem here
[06:18] <alakhia> causasui: are you using flash alpha?
[06:18] <causasui> Amaranth: thanks
[06:18] <assoguerozen_sx> i didnt remember how i solve this problem, lol
[06:18] <Amaranth> causasui: you may be able to get away with using metacity or 64-bit flash to work around it but it still randomly happens in those setups as well
[06:18] <causasui> alakhia: sorry? I downloaded the flash plugin from adobe website, but as I'm using chrome I dont know how to install it
[06:19] <Amaranth> causasui: If you're using chrome it doesn't matter
[06:19] <alakhia> are you using 64-bit or 32-bit OS?
[06:19] <causasui> alakhia: as I said, 64 bit
[06:19] <Amaranth> causasui: turning off compiz may help for you but it may not
[06:19] <causasui> Amaranth: sorry, what doesnt matter?
[06:19] <Amaranth> causasui: but there is no other workaround
[06:19] <alakhia> i have firefox and flash alpha (64-bit) works fine for me
[06:20] <Amaranth> causasui: The problem seems to be caused by out of process plugins
[06:20] <yellowrooster> Amaranth: thanks. floola works now that i got http://packages.ubuntu.com/jaunty/i386/libstdc++5/download
[06:20] <yellowrooster> thakns
[06:20] <Amaranth> causasui: so nspluginwrapper for firefox but chrome _always_ uses out of process plugins
[06:20] <Amaranth> causasui: For some people switching to metacity fixes it
[06:20] <causasui> Amaranth: well, is it fixable by someone else? (ie can I hold out for an update at least?)
[06:20] <Amaranth> But since it affects other WMs too it is not a compiz problem, per se
[06:21] <Amaranth> causasui: Nope, Adobe either needs to fix flash or point out what we're going wrong because as far as I know we're not doing anything wrong in compiz
[06:21] <Amaranth> and it happens to other WMs too
[06:22] <causasui> Amaranth: but as far as I know this doesnt happen in jaunty?
[06:22] <causasui> at least, I didnt have this problem in jaunty
[06:22] <assoguerozen_sx> oh, now have update do nvidia drivers ^_^
[06:22] <Amaranth> causasui: it didn't happen in jaunty, no
[06:22] <Amaranth> causasui: which could also point to a regression in Xorg
[06:23] <Amaranth> causasui: but since we don't have source code for adobe's flash player it makes debugging a pain so...
[06:23] <len> What command  to I need to type to get dkms to rebuild the kernel module for fglrx?
[06:23] <Kraln> hah, fuck you kernel hacker gods. recompiled the 2.6.31 kernel for dell mini 10, recompiled the psb driver so hardware acceleration and acpi works. fuck yeah.
[06:23] <Amaranth> !ohmy
[06:23] <assoguerozen_sx> that guys woking alot to put the finally distro in right date
[06:24] <Kraln> Amaranth: if you had to fix broken drm drivers you'd be cursing too. just saying`
[06:24] <causasui> Amaranth: what's puzzling to me is that about 1/3 of the time, youtube videos respond to mouse input, and 2/3 of the time they dont. when they do work they have different graphics too. its almost like two versions of flash are fighting
[06:24] <Amaranth> Kraln: The patch you are making to the kernel would severely break regular the regular intel driver otherwise we'd probably have it already
[06:25] <Amaranth> I believe intel is trying to merge their psb and i915 kernel modules
[06:25] <len> I typed sudo dkms status and got a lot of error messages so I think that is my problem
[06:25] <Kraln> Amaranth: no no, not that little tiny comment two lines thing. A lot of the internal structs changed for 2.6.31 and almost all of drm wouldn't build
[06:25] <Amaranth> since the poulsbo uses i915 modesetting and 2D
[06:25] <chu_> I'm really impressed with Karmic, but one thing that puzzles me is why my laptop, without hardware acceleration on the gpu detected my laptop's natural resolution (it's a weird sized screen, I forget the exact details), but with hardware acceleration (i.e. proprietry nvidia drivers) it doesn't :?
[06:26] <Amaranth> chu_: That would be a bug in the nvidia driver
[06:26] <chu_> It's not bad, just weird.
[06:26] <Kraln> Amaranth: its too bad they just don't open the drivers. I heard a rumor that the people who wrote the closed drivers didn't use any of the reference firmware
[06:26] <Amaranth> Kraln: Right, it was a completely different team
[06:26] <gorgonzola> len, at least in my case, i had to force a DKMS rebuild of the module. m-a -f get fglrx-kernel-source did the trick, but i'm sure there's a more straigtforward way of making it rebuild
[06:27] <Amaranth> Kraln: Like I said, I think they're trying to merge the open source parts since they are basically identical anyway
[06:27] <gorgonzola> len, but remember, i had a fully functional X, only DRI was failing... so YMMV
[06:28] <Kraln> Amaranth: would be nice. So far so good here ;)
[06:28] <chu_> Also, pop-up notifications appear about an inch below the panel bar? idk, slight irritation I guess :p
[06:28] <Kraln> its almost sad I get to give it back to the fianceé
[06:28] <Amaranth> Kraln: Someone tried to get cheap and power efficient without thinking about the fact that these things were primarily running linux (at the time) so they threw a team together to quickly churn out a driver
[06:28] <Amaranth> Kraln: To be fair the driver sucks on windows too
[06:29] <Kraln> Amaranth: it pretty much blows all around from what I can tell. the hardware isn't terrible, just the driver
[06:29] <Amaranth> Kraln: Well the hardware is less powerful than the iPhone 3Gs from what I've seen
[06:30] <assoguerozen_sx> u guys having some issues to play video files?
[06:30] <causasui> only flash
[06:30] <Amaranth> So to save a little power they went from geforce go 7xxx levels of performance to cell phone levels :P
[06:30] <Kraln> Amaranth: the iphone 3gs has a pretty nice chip. I just want something that doesn't crash and respects acpi =)
[06:30] <chu_> How do I use this "Ubuntu One" application?
[06:31] <Amaranth> chu_: you have to sign up for an account
[06:31] <Amaranth> !one
[06:31] <Amaranth> hrm
[06:31] <chu_> Hah, I should have known, cheers
[06:31] <Amaranth> chu_: then there are some packages in universe that will enable tomboy, firefox bookmark, and evolution contact syncing
[06:31] <Amaranth> and you can make it sync certain files
[06:33] <chu_> I don't even know what tomboy is :p
[06:35] <Kraln> Amaranth: apologies for the cursing earlier. Do you think they're going to have poulubo ready by 9.10
[06:35] <Amaranth> Kraln: 100% no
[06:35] <Amaranth> Kraln: Intel isn't making a 9.10 version
[06:36] <chu_> Well, all set-up now, thanks aain Amaranth
[06:36] <Kraln> So, did they give up?
[06:36] <[31d1]_> speak of the devil i just got a dang gma500 dealie today
[06:37] <Kraln> [31d1]_: I might be coerced into sharing my kernel, headers, and drm module sources. I'm not sure if that's something people would want
[06:39] <[31d1]_> despite liking and being jealous of vista's handwriting recognition software, im _really_ gonna want to be running lunix on this thing Kraln
[06:39] <[31d1]_> i
[06:39] <[31d1]_> oops
[06:39]  * Kraln blinks
[06:40] <Kraln> it is 2.6.31 compiled specifically for atom and gma500. it *is* lunix
[06:41] <[31d1]_> Kraln: yeah, im just saying, i just got it - i havent tried lunixing it up yet
[06:41] <Kraln> your options are 9.04 with some kludges or 9.10 with a *ton* of hackery ;)
[06:41] <[31d1]_> been busy finding out how much of a pita it
[06:41] <[31d1]_> s gonna be;
[06:42] <[31d1]_> aargh, sry - i switched machines - i can't even type on that thing yet :)
[06:42] <[31d1]_> well Kraln I for one would be very interested in your hackery and would like to subscribe to your newsletter
[06:42] <chu_> Does anyone know how to turn off the sound at login window?
[06:42] <Kraln> Bought the dell mini 10 for the fiancee, the one with the honking 1366x768 screen or whatever it is
[06:42] <[31d1]_> nice
[06:43] <Kraln> [31d1]_: you can subscribe to my newsletter at kraln.com =p
[06:43] <[31d1]_> that screen looks nice, and having it come with ubuntu led me to believe it wasnt the crazy nightmare i found out it was while reading up today
[06:44] <[31d1]_> me, i just got a u820 ... sweet kraln.com ... now i know where to find you
[06:45] <[31d1]_> hahah 'if you feel the urge, don't' :(
[06:45] <Kraln> :-P
[06:45] <Kraln> I will post tarballs later
[06:46] <[31d1]_> thing i was reading earlier seemed to imply that the jaunty ppa's were still working on 9.10
[06:46] <[31d1]_> awesome Kraln
[06:48] <Kraln> [31d1]_: sure, but you have to disable acpi to make them work
[06:48] <Kraln> which means... no suspend, resume, display brightness, etc.
[06:48] <[31d1]_> ah
[06:48] <[31d1]_> i want those things!
[06:48] <Amaranth> Kraln: You didn't compile that kernel _on_ the netbook, did you?
[06:48] <Finnish> Is Songbird compatible with iPod on Karmic?
[06:49] <Kraln> Amaranth: you bet :-D
[06:49] <Amaranth> Kraln: Did it take 3 hours?
[06:49] <Kraln> 8.
[06:49] <Amaranth> o_O
[06:49] <[31d1]_> dag
[06:50] <causasui> okay, is there any reason I should be having problems with Truecrypt?
[06:57] <causasui> to be more specific, after installing karmic, truecrypt will not mount an encrypted partition even though the password cannot be wrong
[07:04] <alakhia> got sound working!
[07:04] <alakhia> my "front" setting was mute
[07:04] <alakhia> umuting fixed the sound
[07:05] <Kraln> hmm, all of a sudden no sound
[07:05] <luka> guys, how can i remove grub2 and install grub 1 ??
[07:06] <alakhia> isn't grub 2 supposed to be better?
[07:06] <luka> not for me...
[07:06] <alakhia> i upgraded from 9.04 so my installation is still on grub 1
[07:06] <alakhia> and ext3
[07:06] <luka> yeah buy i want to remove grub2 and install grub 1
[07:07] <luka> i dont know how to proceeed
[07:07] <alakhia> !grub
[07:07] <commander_> almost there
[07:08] <luka> im missing xorg.conf also
[07:09] <luka> ive tried sudo Xorg -configure but it said that x was running...
[07:09] <Kraln> hmm, all sorts of hda-intel irq timing workaround
[07:11] <alakhia> try: /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[07:11] <alakhia> oh, nevermind
[07:12] <luka> i want to correct the gamma of my monitor but i dont have a xorg.conf! where do i find it?
[07:12] <alakhia> luka, you probably want to stop X, then run -configure
[07:12] <luka> alakhia: how do i stop x?
[07:13] <alakhia> so, run /etc/init.d/gdb stop
[07:13] <alakhia> er, gdm, not gdb
[07:13] <luka> ok thanks
[07:23] <evilaim> Hey guys
[07:23] <evilaim> Quick question, maybe an issue.
[07:23] <evilaim> My speakers keep making a clicking, like they're turning on and off periodically.
[07:24] <Amaranth> evilaim: ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[07:24] <evilaim> I don't know what you mean by that?
[07:24] <evilaim> it's a known bug?
[07:26] <evilaim> I fixed it
[07:26] <evilaim> it's a system sound issue
[07:26] <evilaim> turning off system sounds seems to have "fixed" it
[07:27] <chu_> does anyone know where I can find the gnat-gps icon? I'm picky, and the menu editor added it as a blank icon :p
[07:27] <[31d1]_> evilaim: that doesn't fix it for me :(
[07:28] <evilaim> You have the same issue?
[07:28] <evilaim> I haven't heard anything since...
[07:29] <evilaim> Nope, you're right
[07:29] <evilaim> haha
[07:29] <evilaim> When I open a mp3 it clicks some more
[07:29] <evilaim> dangit
[07:31] <mac_v> [31d1]_: evilaim: have you guys filed a bug for that? i have same probs too ...
[07:32] <evilaim> No, I don't even know how to
[07:32] <mac_v> evilaim: do you have a launchpad account?
[07:32] <mac_v> or open iD?
[07:32] <evilaim> ya
[07:32] <evilaim> launchpad
[07:32] <mac_v> !bugs
[07:33] <evilaim> Aight
[07:33] <evilaim> I'll submit
[07:33] <evilaim> long as you guys can confirm for me
[07:34] <[31d1]_> im pretty sure theres at least one bug open about it
[07:34] <evilaim> Ya, I'm just searching
[07:34] <mac_v> evilaim: you can use this > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/FindRightPackage#Sound
[07:35] <mac_v> once you file it mention it here ,i'll confirm it :)
[07:35] <evilaim> ok
[07:35] <evilaim> I'm doing it now
[07:36] <chu_> is karmic particularly bad with laptop batteries?
[07:37] <Ian_Corne> no
[07:39] <chu_> weird! 1 second ago it was reporting 1 hour remaining (which is weird, as I just unplugged it), and now it's saying 2 hours which is more like what I got from Jaunty
[07:39] <evilaim> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/446977
[07:40] <evilaim> This just seems like pulse/alsa is gimped
[07:40] <evilaim> it's messing up the way the mp3's play
[07:40] <ghendar> evilaim, it's hda audio powersaving
[07:40] <evilaim> What ever that means...
[07:42] <ghendar> the power to your sound card is being turned off after a delay of no use and when it gets turned back on to play audio it makes  apop sound
[07:42] <evilaim> ummm
[07:42] <evilaim> Way to disable it?
[07:43] <ghendar> evilaim, tryinf to remember   lol   1 sec
[07:43] <evilaim> jsjs
[07:43] <evilaim> haha
[07:43] <evilaim> Well, you have 4 guys here that have the same issue;)
[07:44] <chu_> If I am not logged into my old Jaunty partition, can I delete it?
[07:45] <ghendar> evilaim, comment out the line "options snd-hda-intel power_save=10" in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf  it should be at the end of the file
[07:46] <evilaim> umm
[07:47] <evilaim> ok
[07:47] <evilaim> done
[07:47] <Amaranth> ghendar: No, his seems to be happening more rapidly
[07:47] <evilaim> do I have to reboot, or reload a mod?
[07:47] <Amaranth> evilaim: logout, stop gdm, unload the module and load it again
[07:48] <Amaranth> evilaim: might as well just reboot
[07:48] <evilaim> haha
[07:48] <evilaim> ok
[07:48] <ghendar> Amaranth, mine was pretty rapid and that worked for me
[07:49] <ghendar> Amaranth, it's basically several clicks in a row that occur when it goes into powersave and again when it goes out
[07:49] <evilaim> ok
[07:49] <Amaranth> ghendar: did you file a bug? :)
[07:49] <evilaim> about to test
[07:50] <ghendar> Amaranth, several already exist  ex: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/381201
[07:50] <evilaim> ummm
[07:50] <evilaim> fixed
[07:50] <evilaim> thanks a lot
[07:50] <Amaranth> ghendar: need one per person basically
[07:50] <evilaim> So ya, there's your bug fix
[07:50] <ghendar> evilaim, np
[07:51]  * evilaim bows *
[07:51] <Amaranth> ghendar: Unless you know that guy has the exact same sound hardware as you
[07:51] <evilaim> Ya, I can't replicate it now.
[07:51] <evilaim> ballin'
[07:51] <[31d1]_> same, woot
[07:51] <Amaranth> and no, "Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)" doesn't mean it's the same
[07:52] <[31d1]_> man, that was annoying as hell for ages too
[07:52] <evilaim> No doubts.
[07:52] <evilaim> I guess I should edit my report
[07:52] <[31d1]_> mine didn't click if i muted it
[07:52] <Amaranth> and now your battery life is suffering
[07:52] <evilaim> ghendar, can you pm me the fix again?
[07:53] <Amaranth> If I ever see one of you say "but windows gets an extra hour battery life!" I'll be upset :)
[07:53] <evilaim> Can someone paste me what ghendar told me to do please?
[07:53] <evilaim> I'm going to update my launchpad report with it.
[07:54] <[31d1]_> hmm, so you prefer bugs from everyone rather than keeping everyone on the same bug ... interesting
[07:54] <Amaranth> [31d1]_: If you have different hardware, yes
[07:55] <evilaim> come on people
[07:55] <evilaim> haha
[07:55] <Amaranth> If everyone "me toos" on a bug and then the problem is solved for the original reporter everyone flips out when the bug is closed as fixed
[07:55] <[31d1]_> ah
[07:55] <Amaranth> well duh it isn't fixed for you, it's a driver problem and you have different hardware :)
[07:56] <Amaranth> [31d1]_: General things like "app crashes when I click this button" you should all use the same bug report
[07:56] <Amaranth> audio and video driver bugs each piece of hardware should have a different report
[07:56] <[31d1]_> and using ubuntu-bug dumps all the relevant hardware info to the bug?
[07:56] <Amaranth> better to have to close 10 bugs at once then have to keep track of how many different bugs are in one report
[07:56] <ghendar> Amaranth, every time I've files a bug that was the same as one already reported... even though it was different hardware it gets marked as a duplicate
[07:57] <Amaranth> yeah, `ubuntu-bug alsa-base` should give pretty much all needed info
[07:57] <Amaranth> ghendar: apparently the guys working on audio and the triage team don't talk much :/
[07:57] <Amaranth> ghendar: audio and video bugs known to have a common cause will get duped and bugs with programs will get duped no matter what the hardware
[07:58] <evilaim> Well, that was pretty much perfect for me
[07:58] <evilaim> I'll keep beta testing the crap outta this
[07:58] <[31d1]_> ok i'll be nice and file my own unique snowflake for this bug :) so that when i complain that windows gets an extra hour etc :)
[07:58] <evilaim> issue with Empathy
[07:58] <evilaim> but I think it's a theme issue
[07:59] <evilaim> Ok, so question, if shit crashes, and it asks if I want to submit it... is that good enough?
[07:59] <evilaim> Will it actually be recieved by someone?
[08:00] <mac_v> evilaim: it will be sent to launchpad
[08:00] <ghendar> Amaranth, so saying "me too" and appending the hardware it also affects is NOT the way to go?
[08:00] <Amaranth> no
[08:00] <ghendar> evilaim, language
[08:00] <evilaim> sry
[08:00] <evilaim> haha
[08:00] <Amaranth> evilaim: Ideally someone will eventually look at it, yes
[08:00] <mac_v> !language | evilaim
[08:00] <Amaranth> and most of the time it includes the information needed to fix it
[08:01] <mac_v> evilaim: and you need to enter info of what you were doing at the time of the crash :)
[08:01] <mac_v> that helps debugging it
[08:01] <Amaranth> but if someone asks for more information and you don't reply within a week don't expect anything to be done with the bug for a few months...
[08:02] <mac_v> evilaim: so basically its what Amaranth said.... nearly self-service ;)
[08:03] <evilaim> :)
[08:04] <evilaim> I'll tell you straight up tho
[08:04] <evilaim> this ubuntu is the best lookin' ubuntu I've ever seen hands down
[08:04] <evilaim> "dust theme"
[08:04] <evilaim> 100% mint to me
[08:04] <[31d1]_> hey Amaranth you seem like someone that i can ask this - apt full-upgrade has been wanting to remove grub and startupmanager, in order to upgrade grub-common and grub-pc, for the last few days
[08:05] <Amaranth> [31d1]_: right, that's replacing grub with grub2
[08:05] <[31d1]_> i'm a bit leery of doing that, at the same time it seems like maybe thats desired
[08:05] <Amaranth> and startupmanager only works with grub1
[08:05] <[31d1]_> im already on grub2 - but OK
[08:05] <[31d1]_> excellent thanks
[08:05] <commander__> ok i have no sound help please
[08:06] <mac_v> !details | commander_
[08:06] <evilaim> Is is bad to be inlove with your OS?
[08:06] <[31d1]_> depends on the oS
[08:06] <evilaim> I think I want little EvilBuntu babbies...
[08:06] <evilaim> babies*
[08:06] <mac_v> lol
[08:07] <evilaim> Seriously, this OS is so crisp now...
[08:07] <evilaim> I remember 7.04... what a show that put out... but now 9.10 is just beautiful
[08:07] <Amaranth> evilaim: I agree, dust is win: http://www.realistanew.com/random/desktop20091007.png
[08:08] <[31d1]_> evilaim: for example, this is bad: http://www.andrew-turnbull.net/tech/windows95.html
[08:09] <evilaim> oh oh my turn!
[08:09] <evilaim> http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5437/screenshotzd.png
[08:10] <evilaim> What you think of her?
[08:10] <commander__> help i have no sound
[08:10] <evilaim> some thing called npviewer keeps crashing
[08:10] <commander__> period
[08:10] <mac_v> Amaranth: why do you have a separate applet for weather? when you could use the clock for weather too :)
[08:10] <Amaranth> mac_v: no forecast
[08:10] <mac_v> oh ok... yeah
[08:11] <evilaim> I'd shoot myself if I was still using windows 95...
[08:12] <evilaim> hey amaranth, I see you're using gnome-do
[08:12] <evilaim> I'm actually about to install it again
[08:13] <evilaim> Way nicer then AWN
[08:13]  * mac_v likes cairo-dock ;)
[08:13] <evilaim> Don't even know what that is
[08:13] <LSD|Ninja> Amaranth: what theme/font/icon set is that?
[08:14] <Amaranth> LSD|Ninja: Dust/Lucida Grande/Humanity-Dark
[08:14] <Amaranth> all but one of those is in the default karmic install :)
[08:14] <mac_v> evilaim: cairo-dock is awn , but better
[08:14] <mac_v> is like*
[08:15] <Amaranth> mac_v: seeing any issues with cairo-dock in karmic?
[08:15] <LSD|Ninja> Amaranth: which one, and how many hoops do you have to jump through to get it?
[08:15] <mac_v> Amaranth:  if you are not using ATI , the OpenGL stuff is awesome ,... else there are some problems with ATI , not th edock though
[08:16] <Amaranth> LSD|Ninja: the font and legally you need to be dual booting Ubuntu with OS X on a mac to get it
[08:16] <evilaim> Man, BEAUTIFUL
[08:16] <evilaim> I love gnome-do
[08:17] <|eagles0513875|> commander__: thats my issue as well on my duel boot on my macbook pro
[08:17] <|eagles0513875|> recompilation of alsa is in order for me i think
[08:17] <evilaim> Wow, I can't belive how hot this OS has become...
[08:17] <commander__> i heaar ya..the last time this happen someone on here told me it might be my 56k modem
[08:17] <evilaim> Now, I wish I could just change icons...
[08:18] <evilaim> then I'd be bonus;)
[08:18] <commander__> i have a HP Pavilion dv6833us notebook
[08:18] <Amaranth> evilaim: err, you can
[08:18] <Amaranth> evilaim: click on the customize button in appearance properties
[08:18] <evilaim> The one beside "applications" up top
[08:18] <LSD|Ninja> Amaranth: Apparently they supply it in TTF format with Safari for Windows, I'll have to check that out when this netbook project I'm working on gets closer to fruition
[08:19] <evilaim> I know how to change the regular ones:)
[08:19] <[31d1]_> that win 95 guy also had a rant about how usb sucked because what was wrong with ISA and now he has all these perfectly good ISA cards and what is he supposed to do with them
[08:19] <|eagles0513875|> ill be back
[08:19] <Amaranth> evilaim: that's dependent on the theme but why would you change it?
[08:19] <evilaim> Cuase, my whole theme is black and blue
[08:19] <evilaim> it sticks out like a soar thumb
[08:19] <commander__> the card is a ALSA268
[08:20] <Amaranth> evilaim: ask whoever makes your theme to fix it
[08:20] <evilaim> That seems a bit much
[08:20] <evilaim> I should be able to change is some wheres:)
[08:20] <Amaranth> evilaim: it's a themeable icon, the proper place is the theme
[08:22] <evilaim> WOW
[08:22] <evilaim> did it
[08:22] <evilaim> haha
[08:22] <evilaim> scope this icon set out
[08:22] <evilaim> http://www.junauza.com/2008/08/10-really-cool-icon-sets-for.html
[08:22] <evilaim> #1
[08:23] <evilaim> It is very sleek
[08:23] <mac_v> Amaranth: what happened to the 'activity info' in launchpad bugs?? where is the option to see that now... /me somehow cant find it :(
[08:24] <len> Well, I figured out my fglrx problem.  I purged, reinstalled, and did an aticonfig --initial f.  It starts in wrong video mode, but corrects itself when I go to Display settings.  I monkey around, and get it so the display is right and save the configuration, but get this:  Next time I boot the auto KDMS installation service runs and screws everything up all over again!
[08:24] <Amaranth> mac_v: *shrug*
[08:24] <Amaranth> mac_v: if you remember the URL for it I bet it still works
[08:24] <mac_v> :(
[08:25] <evilaim> Now, maybe you guys know
[08:26] <evilaim> I want to change 2 things: when I open up firefox, the logo in Gnome-Do is still orange I want to change that...
[08:26] <len> screws it up so it won't boot and won't boot and give low-video debugging option.  Seems like there is some serious bug here.  Why does the auto DKMS screw it up and how do I stop the vicious loop?
[08:26] <evilaim> and I want to change the 'gnome-do' icon I click on to "do" stuff...
[08:29] <evilaim> *YAWN*
[08:32] <ghendar> evilaim, you click on an icon? doesn't that kind of defeat one of the strengths of gnome-do, which is to not have to use your mouse?
[08:33] <evilaim> What?
[08:34] <commander__> so what do i do? do i wait til the 29 for all of the bugs to be out just to get sound
[08:34] <ghendar> If you have gnome-do running press WIN-SPACE to bring up the launcher
[08:34] <evilaim> neat
[08:34] <evilaim> but I also have multiple workspaces
[08:34] <evilaim> how do I ALT-TAB to those?
[08:34] <evilaim> haha
[08:35] <joaopinto> commander__, did you report the bug already ?
[08:35] <commander__> yes
[08:38] <joaopinto> commander__, did you read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting also ?
[08:38] <evilaim> Weird, my Print Screen doesn't work anymore...
[08:38] <ghendar> evilaim, are you in KDE or gnome?
[08:38] <commander__> yep went there again too
[08:38] <yoritomo> hello everybody
[08:39] <joaopinto> commander__, there are some complex problems related to audio hw support, whatever problem you are facing may not be fixed until the final release
[08:39] <joaopinto> commander__, did you had sound with a previous release ?
[08:39] <yoritomo> can anyone tell me what is akonadi exactly? As i could see on the doc it is a storage utility but no more details, and what is the utility on mormal usage ?
[08:39] <omac> I was thinking about boot up using the USB drive....why is it that there is no code to deal with the I/O Error when the /dev/fd0 is not talking(i.e. not there, but the BIOS says it's there).  Wouldn't it make sense for the boot up to have some logic that after 3 tries to talk to the floppy, it gives a message saying the error, disables the fd0 device and moves on to interface with the remaining devices on the pc instead of hanging and giving the user the
[08:39] <evilaim> whoa
[08:40] <ghendar> !verbosity  ;)
[08:40] <commander__> yes'
[08:42] <commander__> joa it might be my modem tht eating up the sound but i don;t know how to remove it...
[08:44] <evilaim> Ok guys
[08:44] <evilaim> it's 1:45 in the AM
[08:44] <evilaim> I think that's enough beta testing for me...
[08:44] <evilaim> I'mma drink this beer and then pass out
[08:44] <evilaim> So, where is everyone from
[08:44] <evilaim> ?
[08:44] <yoritomo> Akonadi looks important element because is in the ubuntu menu ?
[08:45] <yoritomo> Belgium
[08:45] <evilaim> Nice, I'm in Canada.
[08:45] <NoReflex> Hello! I'm having some problems with Font Smoothing on KDE 4.3. After a reboot even though Font Smoothing is enabled in SystemSettings the fonts look as if there's no font smoothing. I'm using Karmic.
[08:47] <yoritomo> Canada is beautiful but too cold :( anyway last winter here we had -21C on 7th january :)
[08:49] <Gekz> it was 46C here
[08:49] <Gekz> on the same date
[08:49] <omac> evilaim:  I'm from Canada also, but I currently am working in China.
[08:50] <commander__> any ideas
[08:50] <omac> I kill time by having fun with Linux.
[08:50] <omac> That's when I'm not busy with whatever the better half wants :)
[08:51] <yoritomo> rosegarden not working with jack :s
[08:51] <omac> I think ubuntu rocks...I think debian rocks.
[08:51] <yoritomo> what a hell again, said could not connect to Jack, Jack is launched anyway
[08:51] <evilaim> Nice
[08:51] <evilaim> Where about in canada?
[08:51] <omac> yoritomo: install jackd.
[08:52] <evilaim> Right now we're at -9
[08:52] <omac> If you only have the jack client, it would do anything.
[08:52] <omac> once installed, you still need to start the jack client, and tell it to start jackd.
[08:52] <yoritomo> jackd already installed and working
[08:53] <evilaim> Yep, I do love this OS a lot
[08:53] <yoritomo> other apps works fine , but not rosegarden
[08:53] <evilaim> Oh, anyone know how to change the login screen?
[08:56] <omac> the karmic version is beautiful, but if you boot off the usb thumb drive and if the PC BIOS has floppy 1.44MB drive enabled but physically the drive is not there, the boot just hangs there giving the user the impression ubuntu sucks.  As a constructive criticism, the developers should add in some graceful recovery and continue to boot code if the floppy /dev/fd0 has an I/O error.  Normal users don't care to see boot errors.  They just want it to work and
[08:56] <wekt> with NetBook Remix, how can user make maximus not run? I want to make the UI like non-NetBook Remix.
[08:56] <joaopinto> hum, is it just me, or tomboy does not run ?
[08:57] <omac> I'll admit rosegarden didn't work for me, but want do you think of ardour?
[08:57] <wekt> joaopinto: i will check
[08:57] <omac> yoritomo: how about ardour?
[08:57] <joaopinto> Unhandled Exception: System.InvalidOperationException: Could not read add-in description
[08:57] <joaopinto> I just got this error
[08:57] <evilaim> weird
[08:57] <evilaim> they changed it...
[08:57] <evilaim> I can't find the place to change my login screen...
[08:58] <wekt> joaopinto: runs for me.  i ran it for first time. perhaps it chokes on you existing data?
[08:58] <omac> yoritomo: how about freebirth, horgand, fmit, zynaddsubfx?
[08:58] <joaopinto> wekt, I have rm .tomboy just in case
[08:58] <joaopinto> oh wait
[08:58] <joaopinto> its .config/tomboy/
[08:58] <wekt> tomboy: Installed: 1.0.0-0ubuntu2
[08:59] <joaopinto> wekt, deleting config work, still a bug, for the update progress
[08:59] <evilaim> Anyone?
[08:59] <omac> tomboy is a post it application.  How about you install another postit app instead of tomboy?  Tomboy uses mono(Microsoft-C# based app stuff).  There are other post-it apps not dependent on mon.
[08:59] <yoritomo> omac rosegarden  worked perfectly before, i don't like ardour for vsti
[08:59] <omac> mono
[09:00] <yoritomo> i don't know the other ones
[09:00] <evilaim> This is getting annoying
[09:00] <Gekz> isnt't there a C or Vala port of Tomboy coming
[09:00] <Gekz> called Gnotes or something
[09:00] <evilaim> Ummm, can anyone find the place to change the login screen?
[09:01] <yoritomo> omac for me the main feature and almost the only one necessary is the perfect vsti emulation
[09:01] <topyli> Gekz, yes, gnotes is a c++ tomboy clone and it's already there
[09:01] <yoritomo> Gekz tomboy works perfectly on Gnome
[09:02] <commander__> well guys i'll have to wait til the final release comes out to get sound
[09:02] <Gekz> topyli: well there we go
[09:02] <NoReflex> I must be doing something wrong ... don't matter if I enable or disable Font Anti-aliasing in Kubuntu Karmic...the fonts look BAD. Anyone else experience this?
[09:02] <omac> joapinto:  there we go...gnotes :)
[09:02] <NoReflex> evilaim: System -> Administration -> Login Screen?
[09:02] <evilaim> nope
[09:02] <evilaim> doesn't allow me to change it
[09:03] <Gekz> click Unlock
[09:03] <joaopinto> oh no, not the anti-mono campaign here, please
[09:03] <evilaim> Still... doesn't allow me to change it
[09:03] <Gekz> lol I like mono
[09:03] <evilaim> I don't mean the settings
[09:03] <evilaim> I mean the actual login screen...
[09:03] <NoReflex> evilaim: is there a specific error you get? are the fields disabled?
[09:03] <omac> NoReflex:  What have you got your System->Preferences->Appearance->fonts set to?
[09:03] <evilaim> I was able to use a custom one... now you can't...
[09:03] <evilaim> It just isn't there...
[09:04] <NoReflex> omac: I'm using Kubuntu Karmic (KDE4.3)
[09:04] <joaopinto> omac, I don't care about the app language as long it's open source, and I am not a lawyer to have debates with you about mono, I trust on the ubuntu tecnhical team
[09:04] <Gekz> topyli: gnote crashes on Karmic
[09:04] <Gekz> lol
[09:04] <evilaim> No one remembers that? you just click login screen, then it came up with choice, where you could upload/select a different screen, so when you login, you get to see what picture/login screen appeas...
[09:04] <evilaim> appears*
[09:04] <evilaim> a GDM on gnome-look.org
[09:04] <Gekz> GLib-GObject-ERROR **: Attempt to add property GtkMenuBar::local to class after it was derived
[09:04] <Gekz> aborting...
[09:04] <joaopinto> evilaim, you can't change themes on the new GDM
[09:05] <evilaim> why not?
[09:05] <Gekz> evilaim: because Ubuntu wants to be Windows when it grows up
[09:05] <joaopinto> evilaim, because is not yet implemented on the newer version that comes with karmic
[09:05] <joaopinto> Gekz, please stop being stupid
[09:05] <evilaim> Oh, dang....
[09:05] <Gekz> haha
[09:05] <evilaim> Ok, good enough for me
[09:05] <evilaim> I guess I can deal with that
[09:05] <NoReflex> evilaim: I'm using Kubuntu now. I remember you could do it that way in Ubuntu Jaunty. If that doesn't work - I don't know what else to suggest
[09:06] <joaopinto> evilaim, you can just change the gtk theme, but not the overall gdm layout
[09:06] <wekt> Gekz: that would be xandros
[09:06] <topyli> yeah gdm isn't configurable in karmic, at least from the UI
[09:06] <evilaim> ok
[09:06] <evilaim> how do I change the theme then?
[09:06] <wekt> Gekz: or lindoze  / linspire
[09:06] <joaopinto> let me try to remember
[09:06] <Gekz> not really.
[09:06] <joaopinto> !ot | wekt , Gekz
[09:07] <NoReflex> evilaim: System -> Preferences - Appearence if I remember correctly- or right click on the desktop
[09:07] <omac> joapinto:   How about trying xpad or xpostit?
[09:08] <evilaim> Nope, awe well
[09:08] <evilaim> I'll wait for the 29th to complain:)
[09:08] <evilaim> I'm sure they have enough to do without me complaining
[09:08] <joaopinto> omac, do you actually read my previous text ? Why should I ?
[09:08] <joaopinto> I am happy with tomboy
[09:08] <yoritomo> i need to go, see you later all, and thanks omac for your hints
[09:09] <topyli> tomboy can't really be replaced with a sticky notes app
[09:09] <evilaim> Aight, it's bed time for me
[09:09] <joaopinto> evilaim, I don't remember the instructions right now, it involved running dbus-launch; gnome-appearance-properties with gdm
[09:09] <evilaim> Thanks for all the help guys.
[09:09] <evilaim> Thanks tho bro.
[09:09] <evilaim> I'll be on tomorrow, and I'll see if I can fix this up
[09:09] <evilaim> G'night all
[09:09] <omac> gn
[09:15] <ActionParsnip> hey guys, is gnome-vfs-obexftp in the pipeline for karmic?
[09:15] <xorAxAx> hi, my problem: i cannot activate standby in my shutdown menu. `pm-suspend` works, though
[09:16] <omac> ActionParsnip:  You are using bluetooth and obexftp with your phone.
[09:16] <ActionParsnip> omac: its some guy asking on launchpad and I cant find it in my repos and ubottu says its not around
[09:16] <omac> have you installed all the bluetooth?
[09:16] <ActionParsnip> and its a dependancy of gnome-desktop-environment
[09:17] <omac> obexftp is in the 9.04 repo so I'm sure it should be here too.
[09:17] <ActionParsnip> !info gnome-vfs-obexftp
[09:17] <ActionParsnip> omac: https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/85277
[09:17] <WIGGMPk> Im trying to install 9.10 amd64 alternate on a BIOS RAID0 setup and it prompts me to install a boot loader (or at the boot loader install step) I select GRUB and it just keeps prompting.
[09:21] <omac> ActionParsnip:  http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gnome-vfs-obexftp/0.4/
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> omac: thanks, i'll post the link to the dude :)
[09:21] <omac> ActionParsnip:  It's not the most elegant, but it will get him up and running.
[09:21] <omac> ./configure;make;make install;
[09:21] <ActionParsnip> omac: true
[09:22] <omac> If he wants to avoid the switch in the interim.
[09:22] <omac> just use the obexftp command line interface.
[09:23] <omac> I know it's all workaround, but I'm sure the obexftp will come with the release.
[09:23] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, if's not there already, it will not come
[09:23] <omac> considering it's in the dependency confirms it.
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> definately, thanks
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> yeah i said he'd have to wait, or compile
[09:23] <ActionParsnip> and to log a bug
[09:23] <joaopinto> there is an obexftp package
[09:24] <joaopinto> obexftp - file transfer utility for devices that use the OBEX protocol
[09:24] <omac> yes.
[09:24] <omac> that'll get him talking to his phone.
[09:24] <omac> but he still needs the bluetooth stuff.
[09:25] <omac> actionparsnip:  bitpim might work for him too.
[09:26] <omac> I haven't had success with bitpim, but the gnome-vfs-obexftp and the obexftp both work for me and they are adequate for getting/putting stuff on the phone.
[09:26] <topyli> ActionParsnip, gnomevfs is deprecated
[09:27] <topyli> not a good idea to bind your bluetooth stack to a non-existing vfs :)
[09:27] <omac> topyli: what do you recommend then?
[09:28] <topyli> omac, gnome-bluetooth, nautilus-sendto
[09:29] <aprilhare> hey. i want to report a bug - my microsoft vx-1000 webcam no longer works under karmic - where do I go?
[09:30] <omac> topyli:  gnomeVFS api:  Deprecated Application Registry API — formerly used for managing applications.  Replaced by GnomeVFS MIME Database API
[09:33] <omac> topyli:  April 08, 2008 10:39 AM
[09:33] <omac> gnome-vfs was recently deprecated with the release of GLib 2.16 and GNOME 2.22.
[09:33] <omac> application developers should use the GIO API, instead; there are command line utilities as well shipped inside the gvfs backend for GIO.
[09:34] <topyli> i know, i just said so :)
[09:35] <omac> topyli:  GVFS is a userspace virtual file system with backends for protocols like SFTP, FTP, DAV, SMB, ObexFTP. GVFS is the replacement for GNOME-VFS. GNOME-VFS should now be considered deprecated, and developers should not use it in new applications.
[09:36] <joaopinto> probably: ubuntu-bug linux
[09:36] <topyli> omac, i am aware, no need to tell me :)
[09:36] <omac> ActionParsnip:  gvfs might be there instead of gnome-vfs
[09:36] <ActionParsnip> if i get a new video driver via updates, will a restart of the x server suffice to load it or is a reboot needed?
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> omac: gotca
[09:37] <topyli> it is
[09:37] <ActionParsnip> topyli: thanks, no biggy right now
[09:39] <wekt> What is UEC?
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> !uec
[09:42] <ActionParsnip> wekt: http://www.ubuntu.com/products/whatisubuntu/serveredition/cloud/UEC
[09:43] <ActionParsnip> 1 more thing to make my desktop perfect, how can I remove service stops from the shutdown process please?
[09:50] <topyli> so do we have any workaround(s) to get mobile broadband working? mine doesn't work either with bluetooth or usb
[09:52] <wekt> ActionParsnip: thanks for the info.  Found the doc you need i think:  /usr/share/doc/upstart/README.Debian     .  At beginning it says where the scripts are.  i think you could remove the script or replace it with a link to /bin/true , but i am not certain.  I will want to find out how to do that also.
[09:54] <cybersplice> You causing havoc, ActionParsnip?
[09:54] <cybersplice> :)
[09:54] <wekt> ActionParsnip: more info  http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/
[09:57] <ActionParsnip> cybersplice: as always :)
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> wekt: will check it out
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> stupid noip2 makes the shutdown process take forever
[09:58] <ActionParsnip> so i'm carving it out
[10:00] <ghendar> wekt, HA  I love their naming of the link "OMGBroken"
[10:01] <cybersplice> ghendar: Sense of humor is a vital part of any oss development project.
[10:01]  * cybersplice is a fish is a fish is a fish is a fish.
[10:01] <ActionParsnip> cybersplice: and it did follow wherever I did go
[10:02] <cybersplice> ActionParsnip: The broken link, or the fish? My iSCSI is all configured now. Going to test it with an 9.10 server install, methinks.
[10:02] <wekt> I need to see whether a patch has been integrated, but apt-get source just gives me a big ubuntu1 patch.  Are the components of that patch some place?
[10:07] <|eagles0513875|> hey wekt
[10:09] <ActionParsnip> cybersplice: its a monty python song, about a fish
[10:09] <omac> cybersplice: hhgtg isn't it?
[10:10] <omac> oops confused
[10:11] <cybersplice> sdflskjd!
[10:11] <|eagles0513875|> lol
[10:12] <cybersplice> I haven't seen  any of the monty python films like like a decade.
[10:12] <cybersplice> ... not a very good brit, am i?
[10:14] <ActionParsnip> it all good
[10:16] <Myxb> hi, i get osd notification showing one "black box" lower than they should, leave an empty space between a message and the upper gnome panel. how to fix?
[10:19] <wekt> Myxb: i don't understand completely.  Take a screenshot?
[10:24] <omac> topyli:  Have you gotten answer for your 3G mobile broadband connection:  http://www.linux.co.uk/docs/center/how-to/how-to-get-online-with-3g-broadband
[10:29] <topyli> omac, actually i did, sorry for not reporting. USB connections are fixed in the latest n-m
[10:29] <topyli> bluetooth still doesn't work but at least i can get online
[10:30] <omac> topyli:  wait a sec....you are connected to a phone aren't you?
[10:31] <topyli> omac, yes
[10:31] <omac> your phone needs to have the proper settings to enable bluetooth on.
[10:31] <omac> by default it's off.
[10:31] <omac> for example if you have a photo on your phone, you need to set the permissions for that photo...enable bluetooth for that file.
[10:32] <omac> but do you have a bluetooth dongle on your pc?
[10:32] <omac> you need a bluetooth dongle on your pc to speak to your phone with bluetooth.
[10:32] <topyli> omac, yes file transfers work fine. only the modem part does not (via bluetooth)
[10:35] <omac> I'm confused...what is the advantage of using bluetooth to connect to the internet with your phone over your usb cable?
[10:35] <topyli> no cable :)
[10:37] <topyli> omac, i have an itsy bitsy eeepc. i go to a meeting, or a pub or whatever. with a cable, i have to whip out the netbook and the phone, connect the cable and then go online. with bluetooth i can just open up the netbook and connect
[10:38] <jamiewan_> topyli: now thats just plain lazy lol
[10:38] <Myxb> wekt: here is the screenshot http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/6483/osd.png. the notifications of backlight and sound volume show as they should in the "1st" position. all other notifications behave similarly to the one on the picture.
[10:38] <topyli> jamiewan_, the difference is not terribly big, no :)
[10:39] <topyli> it does make a difference if you have to get up and move. the eeepc moves with you easier than an eeepc with a phone dangling from it at the end of the cable
[10:41] <omac> topyli:  http://www.astahost.com/info.php/Mobile-Broadband-Ubuntu-Bluetooth_t19728.html
[10:41] <omac> Did this ever work for you?
[10:41] <omac> topyli:
[10:42] <|eagles0513875|> hey guys im trying to do my own remix of ubuntu how do i tell it what default programs are on the live cd?
[10:42] <causasui> something is seriously fucked with gksudo
[10:42] <topyli> omac, it did, and it does. using ppp directly has the disadvantage that all your gnome programs will still think you're offline because they disten to the network-manager state
[10:43] <topyli> (at least i think it still does work, haven't tried on karmic)
[10:44] <wekt> eagles0513875: what is 'it'?
[10:44] <omac> topyli:  your talking about firefox saying that you are offline and the little networking icon having an x on it.
[10:45] <topyli> omac, aye. and evolution, empathy, pretty much anything that wants to be online
[10:45] <omac> topyli:  firefox has a file->work offline->toggle off.  With regards to the little networking icon saying that you are offline...ignore it.
[10:45] <wekt> Myxb: i don't know where that is defined.  Try asking people associated with libnotify
[10:45] <topyli> omac, i know :)
[10:45] <omac> ok.
[10:45] <omac> So you're just talking about trying to remove the annoyances.
[10:46] <topyli> omac, yes since they're regressions from jaunty
[10:47] <omac> I'll be honest, I don't use the networking icon either.  I prefer the good old pppconfig and whatever else that's a curses gui to config the networking :)
[10:47] <Myxb> wekt: question is whether it is a bug and whether it is a general behavior for karmic. i upgraded from jaunty and probably a clean install does not have this effect.
[10:47] <omac> after that, these go into a script that I run and starts my firewall which isn't the standard ubuntu firewall ipfw and the gui frontend for it.  I prefer shorewall/shorewall6.
[10:48] <omac> They are much more configurable and they can shape traffic.
[10:49] <topyli> i like network-manager. when it works, it's wonderful. when it doesn't though, it fails spectacularly
[10:49] <omac> It's a bit of work to setup but the work is worth it considering it's faster than the others I've tried.  I liked bastille also, but there was a bug for it in jaunty which forced me to move to shorewall.
[10:50] <topyli> i haven't had use for a firewall in many many years. last time i touched iptables was to setup connection sharing at some point
[10:52] <Shirakawasuna> Hi, I'm using the beta on a netbook (just installed) and am having some networking issues.  I'd like to set up my home network (wireless) with a static DNS (ideally static IP as well), but every time I go to make the setting, it completes fine and then does nothing.  If I recheck the config dialog, it still reads 'DHCP'.  All I've done so far is set up my homeless network and click the 'make available to all users' option (which
[10:52] <Shirakawasuna> is the suspected culprit so far)
[10:52] <omac> I had a tplink router, and it didn't perform well.  If I connect directly to the internet, the performance bandwidth and the shorewall perceivably outperform ipfw or tplink's routing/firewall!
[10:53] <Shirakawasuna> any ideas?
[10:53] <Ian_Corne> Shirakawasuna: all up to date? i've had that before
[10:53] <Ian_Corne> but it got fixed in an update
[10:53] <omac> I must admit, it seemed to be an old tplink router though.
[10:53] <Shirakawasuna> Ian_Corne: it's hard to update when nothing will resolve...
[10:54] <topyli> heh
[10:54] <Shirakawasuna> but I'll see if I can get ethernet working :)
[10:54] <Ian_Corne> Shirakawasuna: well, you'll haebv to
[10:54] <Ian_Corne> you can edit the /etc/resolv.conf file yourself
[10:54] <Shirakawasuna> hmm
[10:54] <Ian_Corne> and make it work
[10:54] <Shirakawasuna> indeed, I was being dumb
[10:54] <Ian_Corne> :p
[10:54] <Shirakawasuna> I'll just edti resolv.conf and update :D
[10:57] <omac> Shirakawasuna: If you are connecting to the wireless router at home, your router is connecting to the internet using dhcp and then the router assigns an ip to your netbook via dhcp also...your netbook will have a 192.167.0.blah address meaning you have a lan address.
[10:57] <Shirakawasuna> omac: I'm aware ;)
[10:57] <Shirakawasuna> I prefer static
[10:57] <omac> Shirakawasuna:  you may only receive a static ip address if you pay for it up-front by the ISP.
[10:58] <Shirakawasuna> it's a local address... I already use static
[10:58] <Shirakawasuna> you don't configure your internet connection's dhcp/static settings from the nm-applet config :D
[10:58] <omac> If you prefer to have a static local-area-network(LAN) address, you must configure your router to provide the static ip address associated with your MAC address.
[10:59] <Strogg_> grsync is still not working , will it for the fi,al release ?
[10:59] <Shirakawasuna> omac: I have MAC address filtering turned off
[10:59] <omac> Shirakawasuna:  Once that's done, then you may use the gnome-network-manager and tell it you have a static address <IP_ADDRESS>
[11:00] <Shirakawasuna> the problem I'm having is clearly software or conf-related...
[11:00] <Shirakawasuna> settings aren't sticking, it isn't even trying to do anything in between
[11:00] <Ian_Corne> omac: that's not true
[11:00] <Ian_Corne> you can use static ip's when your router is dhcp'ing
[11:01] <Shirakawasuna> it's kinda funny, being told I can't have static IPs when the compy I'm using is on a static ip ;)
[11:01] <Ian_Corne> the only problem you'll have is collisions when it assigns the same ip via dhcp
[11:01] <omac> Shirakawasuna:  you do whatever you want, but if you have more than one computer connecting to your wireless router, then the ip addresses assigned to you.
[11:01] <Shirakawasuna> omac: and you're wrong, lol
[11:01] <omac> via dhcp...
[11:01] <Ian_Corne> omac: no
[11:01] <omac> sure I'm wrong.
[11:01] <Shirakawasuna> I've had like four laptops statically connected
[11:01] <Shirakawasuna> dhcp is the antithesis of static, omac...
[11:02] <omac> IN your router you may state that you have a range allowed from 192.167.0.[1-4]
[11:02] <Shirakawasuna> dhcp is the bells 'n' whistles (automated), static is the oldschool method and support by just about everything
[11:02] <Shirakawasuna> omac: it's a very large range, even for my crappy router.  Goes past 24, iirc.
[11:02] <cybersplice> static / dhcp are completely irrelevant to eachother, unless the DHCP server starts giving addresses which are already in use.
[11:03] <cybersplice> Most modern networks use both static and dhcp on the same network. Mine, for example.
[11:03] <Shirakawasuna> omac: although I have to wonder why you're still stuck on the dhcp/static thing.  Settings aren't sticking in nm-applet.  That's a software/config problem.
[11:03] <omac> But if another computer in your net happens to have the .1 and you set your computer to .1....then maybe it's worth turning on dhcp or going to talk to the other guy with the other pc in your house.
[11:03] <Shirakawasuna> cybersplice: indeed
[11:03] <Ian_Corne> Shirakawasuna: did the update work?
[11:03] <omac> shirakawa: because you'll have packet conflicts.
[11:03] <Ian_Corne> it should work after the update
[11:03] <Shirakawasuna> Ian_Corne: it's a big update, I'm waiting for it :)
[11:03] <Ian_Corne> ok
[11:03] <Shirakawasuna> Ian_Corne: 30 mins to go for a 'partial upgrade'.  I have no clue why it required a partial and not full update, it wouldn't let me view the packages.
[11:03] <Ian_Corne> i've had the same problem with wired
[11:04] <Ian_Corne> it will
[11:04] <Ian_Corne> or it should
[11:04] <Shirakawasuna> I'm crossing my fingers :)
[11:04] <Ian_Corne> if you click details
[11:04] <Shirakawasuna> it was grayed out :/
[11:04] <cybersplice> Regardless of static / dhcp config, you still can't have more than one machine on the same IP address.
[11:04] <cybersplice> That's just common sense.
[11:04] <Shirakawasuna> omac: duh.
[11:04] <omac> shirakawasuna:  or if you are go, then use mac filtering and make sure your mac address is associated to <IP_ADDRESS> is always your address.
[11:04] <cybersplice> Most DHCP daemons can identify if an IP is already in use.
[11:04] <Shirakawasuna> which is why I always set my static IPs to be high
[11:05] <Shirakawasuna> I don't know why you haven't figured out that I don't need your often inaccurate tutelage, omac...
[11:06] <topyli> lön
[11:06] <topyli> whoa
[11:06] <omac> Shirakawasuna:  I'll agree you don't need my tutelage.  "correction: often accurate to the minute detail".  I'll move on now.
[11:07] <topyli> actually it looks like gnome-bluetooth uses PAN while my phone uses DUN in the bluetooth stack, and that's the problem
[11:09] <NinjaPlimsolls> yo
[11:12] <Ian_Corne> i don' tknow why it says partial update, the name then
[11:13] <NinjaPlimsolls> what says partial update?
[11:14] <robin0800> Ian_Corne: usually because it wants to uninstall sothing and I think that can not be classed as an update
[11:17] <Ian_Corne> yeah but why call it "partial" ?
[11:19] <Ian_Corne> I'm still puzzeled why the update is removing grub-pc now
[11:31] <hifi> seems like VLC's default output is not PulseAudio
[11:31] <hifi> shouldn't it be?
[11:33] <topyli> i think vlc likes to use alsa if possible
[11:33] <hifi> patch it to use pulseaudio if possible, then alsa
[11:33] <topyli> i think you just volunteered :)
[11:34] <hifi> :(
[11:34] <hifi> that wouldn't get into karmic in time anyway
[11:39] <N1ckR> Hi, should Empathy auto start / auto login when logging into gnome by default ?
[11:40] <NinjaPlimsolls> N1ckR, add it to the startup applications list
[11:40] <N1ckR> OK, that's a no then :)
[11:40] <NinjaPlimsolls> ;)
[11:41] <N1ckR> Cheers, thats all. carry on :D
[11:41] <NinjaPlimsolls> when I used Empathy i had to add it to startup, but I use Emesene now
[11:42] <N1ckR> About the only thing i miss from Pidgin is abililty to group same person on different protocols together.
[11:43] <topyli> the status options just disappeared from my indicator-session-applet
[11:43] <topyli> (at upgrade)
[11:44] <knut> hi
[11:45] <knut> energy option problem
[11:45] <knut> where is the option to do nothing when laptop is closing?
[11:45] <knut> that seems to be gone
[11:46] <N1ckR> knut, you mean laptop lid ?
[11:46] <knut> right
[11:47] <topyli> i thought i have mine set like that
[11:47] <topyli> oh, actually i'm not sure if i've tried it with karmic
[11:47] <knut> I'm on karmic and it's gone
[11:48] <knut> so i'm not sure if this has something to do with the fact that I installed the laptop while it was docked
[11:48] <topyli> so how are we going to use our external monitors? always keep the lid open? that's not very stylish :\
[11:48] <yoritomo> re
[11:48] <NinjaPlimsolls> knut, do remember, karmic is still only beta software
[11:48] <topyli> heh
[11:49] <Dai> NinjaPlimsolls: yes, but if people don't report issues like this, how will they get fixed?
[11:49] <knut> I know that its beta software, but i think they should not flush features that are mandatory ;-)
[11:49] <NinjaPlimsolls> Dai, then you report them on the launchpad where a developer can see it?
[11:49] <Shirakawasuna> wow, an hour of install time O_O
[11:49] <Shirakawasuna> (more, actually)
[11:49] <knut> yes I will report themas long as nobody here has an idea
[11:49] <yoritomo> i have a problem , i updated from jaunty to karmic, and since i installed ubuntu studio audio under jaunty, when i try to unistall under karmic, it does not uninstall all the apps
[11:50] <Dai> NinjaPlimsolls: but it's not unreasonable to ask if others have had the same issue or already know about it
[11:50] <NinjaPlimsolls> Dai, I didnt think I was being unreasonable? :S
[11:51] <N1ckR> knut, can you not just use the screen blank option, or does that blank both displays ?
[11:51] <Dai> NinjaPlimsolls: sorry, i read that wrong, it seems :\  it's still way too early for me to be awake
[11:52] <knut> N1ckR: I have 2 external screen with nvidia
[11:52] <knut> and this option is not available
[11:58] <C-S-B> oh, I can't go to ubuntu+2 :/
[12:00] <flipfone> after a failed upgrade i have been doing daily updates until today i got this http://pastebin.com/d25569320  any ideas?
[12:06] <ActionParsnip> hey guys, can anyone help with grub2. It never times out or shows a countdown. I have to manually press enter to get things going or it will sit on the kernel selection screen forever more
[12:07] <|eagles0513875|> ActionParsnip: thats a first
[12:08] <pdlnhrd> i a trying to get netowrking but can't get it to route of its subnet
[12:09] <ActionParsnip> pdlnhrd: add a static route specifying a subnet and a device
[12:09] <pdlnhrd> o.k? how?   i had verything working and now it has stopped
[12:10] <ActionParsnip> pdlnhrd: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/linux-route-add/
[12:11] <pdlnhrd> the biggest issue is that on restart NO nework is configurd which is a pain
[12:11] <ActionParsnip> !grub2
[12:12] <pdlnhrd> i can add a static route... but the server is colocated and if i need to reboot i can't do this(plus those directions are for redhat)
[12:13] <cybersplice> pdlnhrd: route add is a generic command.
[12:13] <pdlnhrd> i would like to be able to reboot the server and have ALL networking work
[12:13] <pdlnhrd> what file do i add it do so hat on start up it knows the route?
[12:13] <pdlnhrd> the direcitions are for RHEL
[12:13] <cybersplice> It's an ubuntu machine, yes?
[12:14] <ActionParsnip> |eagles0513875|: i think i got  it. I had : GRUB_TIMEOUT="10" instead of GRUB_TIMEOUT=10  in /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[12:14] <|eagles0513875|> :)
[12:14] <cybersplice> pdlnhrd: /etc/network/interfaces
[12:14] <pdlnhrd> yes... wich doesn't have a /etc/sysconfig/networking/default/route-ethx
[12:15] <godstar> Word to the wise. If you go KK64 Beta, do not remove old files, you may need them. Especially if KK64 breaks and the network stack corrupts.  However, i strongly recommend against using 9.10 on a production machine, particularly a remote one.
[12:22] <pdlnhrd> http://pastebin.com/d2fa8a2e6
[12:22] <pdlnhrd> it is all for testing
[12:23] <pdlnhrd> we have to unit test against new build to know what issue we will have
[12:24] <cybersplice> pdlnhrd: add auto eth0
[12:24] <pdlnhrd> which line?
[12:24] <pdlnhrd> line 2?
[12:24] <cybersplice> yes
[12:25] <pdlnhrd> if this fixes this... thanks... i a going to reboot and see what happens.... (i came in 2 hours to fix this
[12:25] <ActionParsnip> can someone please pastebin me their /etc/defaul/grub file please.  Not there.
[12:27] <cybersplice> :|
[12:27] <ActionParsnip> its the default settings file for grub2
[12:27] <pdlnhrd> i a so use the the BOOT=yes in RHEL
[12:28] <ActionParsnip> i hate grub2
[12:28] <pdlnhrd> btw... props to the ubuntu team... i like what i see so far escpecially the boot screen
[12:29] <cybersplice> ActionParsnip: I wonder if i'm not using Grub2.
[12:29] <wekt> ActionParsnip: or do you hate how the config file is generated?
[12:29] <godstar> ActionParsnip: Still need that Grub Default?
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> wekt: the config, it so overly complicated for just a bootloader
[12:29] <ActionParsnip> wekt: i single boot. I dont need all this extra crap ruining my day
[12:30] <ActionParsnip> godstar: please
[12:30] <godstar> kk
[12:30] <pdlnhrd> cypersplice thank you.
[12:30] <cybersplice> pdlnhrd: No worries.
[12:30] <cybersplice> pdlnhrd: Happy to help.
[12:30] <wekt> ActionParsnip: I've wondered whether you could put linux starting in the MBR to load it.
[12:30] <pdlnhrd> plus startup times rock
[12:30] <godstar> ActionParsnip: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/289246/
[12:31] <ActionParsnip> godstar: thanks
[12:31] <godstar> ActionParsnip: anytime
[12:31] <cybersplice> pdlnhrd: Try it with a SSD. It's silly.
[12:31] <pdlnhrd> i have my vista7 on SSD and it is really fast
[12:31] <cybersplice> g'day Dr_Willis
[12:31] <pdlnhrd> (can't afford all he new toys)
[12:32] <wekt> cybersplice: i should try that too. (SSD)
[12:32] <cybersplice> pdlnhrd: Me either. But i have the advantage of a rather elaborate lab environment at work. :D
[12:32] <cybersplice> wekt: *(&$£. victory!
[12:32] <ActionParsnip> godstar: yours is quite different to mine
[12:32] <cybersplice> Damnation, i've had quite a lot of caffiene.
[12:32] <pdlnhrd> we have a lab with 30 test machines for testing images to roll out but i don't get to play in then offten
[12:32] <cybersplice> Huh. Odd. I'm still on Grub 0.97.
[12:33] <cybersplice> ActionParsnip: I got my EQL sorted, btw. Feel like a muppet now.
[12:33] <frandieguez> Hi to all! Could someone confirm me that the firefox translations doesn't works?
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> hmm.. Ubuntu-xsplash-artwork update.. i bet that means it will overwrite my customized  xsplas images again...
[12:34] <godstar> ActionParsnip: only one I have
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> cybersplice: you got the gold, thats what counts
[12:34] <ActionParsnip> godstar: i'll pastebin when it comes back arounf
[12:34] <frandieguez> I detect that the firefox translations right now on karmic are for 3.0.7 firefox version and those are incompatibles
[12:34] <cybersplice> ActionParsnip: Yeh. It overflows the data to the next nic when it saturates the first one.
[12:35] <godstar> ActionParsnip: ok thanks
[12:36] <ActionParsnip> godstar: http://pastebin.com/f28d85f56
[12:37] <godstar> ActionParsnip: made a backup. Thx
[12:38] <ActionParsnip> !grub2
[12:39] <Shawn_> How is the Beta so far?
[12:40] <ActionParsnip> Shawn_: been fine since alpha2 here
[12:40] <binBASH> Hi I exchanged gnome network manager with wicd. Changed wireless Lan Adapter and wicd didn't find it. Now I tried to exchange wicd again with gnome network manager but apt-get fails :/
[12:40] <binBASH> getting errors now like gconftool-2: relocation error: /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0: symbol __abort_msg, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[12:40] <Shawn_> ActionParsnip How are the features though I mean?
[12:40] <cybersplice> Shawn_: No problems here. Using it on a couple of production workstations.
[12:40] <godstar> Shawn_: be sure not to delete old files if you plan to upgrade.
[12:40] <binBASH> someone can help please?
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> i thought there was a tool to select wicd or 'network-manager' as your network-confoig tool.
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> no need to add/remove one or the other..
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> Shawn_: can you be specific?
[12:41] <Shawn_> godstar I'm probably doing a fresh install when I do it so I can make use of the new ext4 file system that it uses
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> I forget where i saw that setting at.. but i saw it somewhere.
[12:41] <binBASH> Dr_Willis: On first install maybe? ;)
[12:41] <Shawn_> ActionParsnip is there any major differences between Karmic and Jaunty?
[12:41] <ActionParsnip> Shawn_: for my basic use, no
[12:42] <binBASH> the problem now is
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> binBASH:  not sure. I dont rember seeing it on my laptop when i installed beta1.
[12:42] <binBASH> gdm (xfree86) doesn't boot up
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> binBASH:  but i rember seeing it on the desktop
[12:42] <binBASH> so I'm totally lost
[12:42] <godstar> Shawn_: In that case you should be ok. I did the upgrade and had issues with the network. I could not revert since I removed old files and could then not get back online.
[12:42] <binBASH> only console left
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> try 'sudo service gdm start'
[12:43] <binBASH> it says it's started ok
[12:43] <binBASH> but nothing happens
[12:43] <godstar> Shawn_: be sure to backup your data and install on a test machine or virtual one.
[12:43] <Shawn_> godstar Yeah I'm probably just gunna hold out for another 20 days without installing it
[12:43] <Shawn_> godstar... I'm weird like that I like to see all the new features at once and not as they are still being fixed
[12:44] <godstar> Shawn_: install it on Vbox and play around w it. Most of the broken things I fixed, but again, I did the upgrade and removed the old files, had I kept them, I probably could have gotten out of my bind.
[12:44] <godstar> Shawn_: Overall, I like it and think it will be solid once its said and done.
[12:45] <Shawn_> godstar Installing it on a Vbox wouldn't affect Ubuntu at all correct?
[12:45] <godstar> Shawn_: Correct
[12:45] <Shawn_> godstar Not sure if I wanna ruin the wait or just hold out till the 29th
[12:45] <godstar> Shawn_: you can even run it inside of Vbox as a Live CD, just mount the ISO.
[12:46] <godstar> Shawn_: tomato, tomatoe
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> Potatoe
[12:46] <godstar> Shawn_: Up to you.
[12:46] <Shawn_> godstar... Hmm.. I read on the forums that Karmic may be adopting a completely new default colour and dropping brown.. Did that actually happen?
[12:46] <cybersplice> mmm spuds.
[12:46] <Shirakawasuna> hmmm
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> Still looks brown to me.
[12:46] <Shirakawasuna> does karmic come with a replacement for sshd?
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> they need to use Hot Pink. :)
[12:46] <Shirakawasuna> or do I need to install it separately?
[12:46] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: mines purple :)
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> still using opensshd - not installed by default here.
[12:46] <godstar> Shawn_: Yes a new splash theme. I likes!
[12:47] <Shawn_> godstar Is it still brown?
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> Shirakawasuna: openssh-server is in karmic repos
[12:47] <cybersplice> Shirakawasuna: its in repos, not installed by default
[12:47] <Shirakawasuna> hmmm
[12:47] <Shirakawasuna> I'm not seeing it in synaptic
[12:47]  * Shirakawasuna checks repos
[12:47] <cybersplice> think its just called ssh
[12:47] <Dr_Willis>  /usr/share/images/xsplash still has ugly browns here.
[12:47] <ActionParsnip> Shirakawasuna: sudo apt-get update; sudo apt-get install openssh-server
[12:47] <godstar> Shawn_: nope
[12:48] <Dr_Willis> I wonder if im the only one that alters every file in that dir to have nicer looking splash/wallpaper screens...
[12:48] <godstar> Speaking of, I'm gonna run it in Vbox myself.
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> Dr_Willis: i uninstall all splashes ;)
[12:48] <Shawn_> godstar Oooo nice.  Is it true they switched to a new native IM and dropped Pidgin?
[12:48] <Shirakawasuna> hmm
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> Shawn_: pidgin is in the repos
[12:48] <godstar> Shawn_: Also, I am running 64bit, not that it makes much difference. Just thought I would mention it.
[12:48] <ActionParsnip> !info pidgin
[12:48] <Shirakawasuna> I'm a newb to debian/ubuntu-style package management.  Why would apt-get have a nice time finding openssh-server but not synaptic?
[12:49] <binBASH> hmm looks like I need to reinstall my system
[12:49] <Shirakawasuna> it worked, btw, so thanks ActionParsnip
[12:49] <Shawn_> godstar I run 64 bit as well
[12:49] <binBASH> dunno what to do really :)
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> Shirakawasuna:  you typed it wrong wouldbe my guess
[12:49] <ActionParsnip> Shirakawasuna: no idea, i stopped using synaptic as soon as i learned apt-get existed
[12:49] <godstar> Shawn_: Empathy is the IM. I am not thrilled w it. Guess I've used Pidgin too long.
[12:49] <binBASH> errors like -> gconftool-2: relocation error: /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0: symbol __abort_msg, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[12:50] <binBASH> looks like glibc is fucked up
[12:50] <Shawn_> godstar yeah I may stick with Pidgin as well but I read they dropped Pidgin because Pidgin refused to continue developing or something
[12:50] <Pici> binBASH: Please mind your language here.
[12:50] <mvo> Shirakawasuna: they use the same data and similar code, if its available in apt-cache it should be in synaptic as well
[12:50] <Shirakawasuna> huh, now it shows up
[12:50] <slacker_nl> lo
[12:50] <Shirakawasuna> weird
[12:50] <Shirakawasuna> must've been a typo
[12:50] <slacker_nl> mvo: i tested your debdiff for policykit-1-gnome, didn't work
[12:51] <godstar> Shawn_: yeah. Something like that.  Some of my configurations were reset or are being ignored after a (rather rough) update from Jaunty. For example, the Synaptics driver seems to be ignoring the HAL policy file.
[12:53] <godstar> lol
[12:53] <oldude67> thats something i did forget to install..build-essentials.
[12:54] <mvo> slacker_nl: hm, did you login/logout in between?
[12:54] <mvo> slacker_nl: anything in .xsession-errors when kde started?
[12:55] <slacker_nl> mvo: no, no logout
[12:55] <slacker_nl> mvo: will check now
[12:55] <cybersplice> Cantankerous?
[12:55] <cybersplice> Callous?
[12:55] <cybersplice> Calisthenics?
[12:56] <Pici> cybersplice: ?
[12:56] <cybersplice> Someone said something about the C word.
[12:56] <Pici> cybersplice: They were talking about compiling.
[12:56] <cybersplice> Don't say that!
[12:56] <cybersplice> You'll scare someone.
[12:57] <cybersplice> Anyone had much luck getting XenServer Essentials running under 9.10?
[12:59] <slacker_nl> mvo: login/logout fixed the issue indeed
[13:00] <ssc_> hi
[13:00] <slacker_nl> mvo: it works, asks for root permission, type in passwd and installs/removes package
[13:01]  * arielCo is not afraid of c******ing. It's the adding prefix switches, Xorg macros, "auto"make stuff that slightly bothers him :)
[13:01] <mvo> slacker_nl: sweet, thanks a lot for confirming that
[13:01] <slacker_nl> mvo: np at all
[13:04] <tasslehoff> is the session restore (startup applications) better on 9.10 than on 9.04?
[13:04] <cybersplice> tasslehoff: I'd say so.
[13:04] <tasslehoff> cybersplice, good, cause on 9.04 it sucks :)
[13:04] <binBASH> is it possible to downgrade from karmic to jaunty?
[13:04] <Pici> No.
[13:04] <Ian_Corne> No.
[13:04] <binBASH> cool :/
[13:05] <binBASH> So what can cause this?
[13:05] <cybersplice> binBASH: Sounds like perhaps you mean to say, "Damn."
[13:05] <binBASH> cybersplice: I watched my language this time :)
[13:05] <cybersplice> binBASH: Perhaps uninstall both your network management software, and reinstall network-manager.
[13:05] <cybersplice> Or wicd, i spupose.
[13:05] <cybersplice> I didn't have good experience with wicd.
[13:05] <binBASH> Well, I can't. Because apt doesn't let me
[13:06] <cybersplice> Oh. Nightmare.
[13:06] <cybersplice> Why not?
[13:06] <binBASH> gconftool-2: relocation error: /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0: symbol __abort_msg, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference
[13:06] <binBASH> it produces this output
[13:06] <cybersplice> Does it give that message when you try and install anything else?
[13:07] <binBASH> yes
[13:07] <Ian_Corne> have you tried using aptitude instead of apt-get ?
[13:07] <cybersplice> Sounds like the problem is with apt instead of with  wicd / nm
[13:08] <binBASH> well wicd is not installed anymore
[13:08] <tasslehoff> does jaunty->karmic using update manager normally work well these days?
[13:08] <binBASH> Ian_Corne: Not yet
[13:08] <arielCo> tasslehoff: not too good
[13:08] <Ian_Corne> binBASH: altho idon't think it"'ll work but you can try
[13:08] <cybersplice> tasslehoff: i had no problems personally. ymmv.
[13:08] <slacker_nl> tasslehoff: i think so (but I upgraded during alpha 2)
[13:09] <Ian_Corne> arielCo: it works...
[13:09] <zer0x> Hi all, there is no longer a 'Devices' section in my sound preferences in Gnome, is this configured somewhere else now?
[13:09] <Shirakawasuna> huh
[13:09] <slacker_nl> arielCo: you had space issues ;)
[13:09] <Ian_Corne> i've had some1 update yesterday through it
[13:09] <Ian_Corne> and it worked
[13:09] <arielCo> Ian_Corne: I'm still filing rough spots
[13:09] <tasslehoff> It's always most fun when everyone answers differently :D
[13:09] <binBASH> I'm trying within aptitude now
[13:09] <Shirakawasuna> I couldn't rsync files from my established, non-ubuntu lappy using the command on said laptop, but I could when reversing it from the other (ubuntu) laptop.  Any ideas?
[13:09] <cybersplice> tasslehoff: Sorry. It IS beta software. :D
[13:09] <tasslehoff> cybersplice, hehe. I know :)
[13:10] <slacker_nl> tasslehoff: no, yes, NO, YES, nooo, yessss ;)
[13:11] <cybersplice> Sigh. 9.10 is as perculiar as other ubuntu versions under xenserver.
[13:11] <cybersplice> Curses!
[13:11] <milaz> Hi, everybody!
[13:11] <cybersplice> milaz: Hi there.
[13:11] <milaz> Does anybody know why in Karmic Beta there's no gettys and no login processes on any tty?
[13:12] <arielCo> slacker_nl: yeah, the space issue was overcome by that patch. Then came the dpkg segfault which left libc out of shape. I finally fixed it by copying over the files, upgraded with several warnings, and now some of my configs are being ignored.
[13:12]  * arielCo had a rather bumpy ride
[13:12] <milaz> I mean that when switching to them with CTRL+ALT+F1, there is now way to log into the system
[13:12] <milaz> Is there a way t fix it?
[13:12] <slacker_nl> arielCo: :( i feel for you
[13:13] <slacker_nl> milaz: i have getty's running...
[13:13] <ssc_> with the last update i lost keyboard and mouse connection under x after xorg restarted - i still could get on the console after freeing the keyboard with sysctrl keys. any idea where to look for the problem the next time :)
[13:13] <mvo> arielCo: that reminds me, did you find a _usr_bin_dpkg.crash file in your /var/crash ?
[13:13] <ssc_> restarting gdm didn't solve anything ..
[13:13] <cybersplice> milaz: frandieguez: I detect that the firefox translations right now on karmic are for 3.0.7 firefox version and those are incompatibles
[13:13] <cybersplice> er
[13:14] <cybersplice> milaz: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/upstart/+bug/402759
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> milaz:  i have them here.. could be the video drivers for X and console are fighting again.
[13:15] <binBASH> Ian_Corne: Well aptitude now presents an error http://www.picpaste.de/pics/pic_aptitude.1255090503.png
[13:15] <Ian_Corne> hehe
[13:15] <Ian_Corne> noidea :)
[13:15] <milaz> cybersplice: thanks, I'll look into this
[13:16] <cybersplice> milaz: There are several duplicates of that with various different issues.
[13:16] <cybersplice> But it was just a hasty look, i'm afraid.
[13:16] <binBASH> Looks like I'm in a serious dilemma
[13:16] <arielCo> slacker_nl, thanks for your sympathy ;). Theres an untidy bug rep at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dpkg/+bug/444484. I tried to apport-collect from a livecd+chroot before fixing it so there are several junk comments.
[13:16] <cybersplice> binBASH: Sounds like you've got some lib / apt issues.
[13:16] <cybersplice> binBASH: You could try a reinstall :\
[13:17] <Ian_Corne> "try" :p
[13:17] <binBASH> :)
[13:17] <ssc_> binBASH, have you tried to download the deb files and install them via dpkg
[13:17] <Strogg_> do someone experience problemes with apache when installing kolab ?
[13:17] <binBASH> ssc_: Not yet.
[13:17] <Ian_Corne> is the sound from empathy included yet?
[13:18] <binBASH> Have first to find download location
[13:18] <milaz> cybersplice: Dr_Willis: the strange thing is that I can run them manually from gnome-terminal with "sudo getty 9600 tty2"
[13:18] <kulight> is there a facebook plugin for empathy ?
[13:18] <slacker_nl> arielCo: I had huge problems with libc6 as well during the alpha phase
[13:18] <cybersplice> milaz: Yes, it looks like the scripts just aren't being put into the right location by the upgrade.
[13:18] <slacker_nl> arielCo: i could install it, but it totally b0rked my laptop, beta version fixed he glitch
[13:19] <binBASH> ssc_: Ok I found the package, now I have to find out how to install without apt
[13:20] <ssc_> binBASH, dpkg -i package.deb
[13:20] <binBASH> that doesn't work