 Hey
[06:17] <lordievader> Good morning
[10:10] <buh5> привет
 Good morning
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Hi all
[12:26] <EvilRoey> o/ BluesKaj
[12:26] <BluesKaj> hey EvilRoey
[12:27] <EvilRoey> :) hey-hey
[13:58] <viewer|55> how do i force the firefox that installed with kubuntu to upgrade to version 69? i thought i was downloading the installer but it turns out to be an archive that extracts to a usable folder to use the new versioin but i want to replace version 68.05 with version 69
[13:58] <viewer|55> oops..i mean version 68.02 with version 69
[14:03] <viewer|55> is everyone private chatting?
[14:16] <BluesKaj> viewer|55, think FF 69 is still in beta
[14:19] <viewer|55> its not...i use it in windows and i have it on this computer but its just usable and i want it to replace this version
[14:20] <viewer|55> i downloaded it from the mozilla website
[14:21] <BluesKaj> viewer|55, try to remove the current version, reboot ,then install the FF69
[14:22] <viewer|55> if i had the installer i would but the archive didnnt contain an installer, it was just extracted to a folder and can be rn from there. that is why i am asking how to force firefox 68.02 to upgrade to 69
[14:23] <viewer|55> that was supposed to be run from there
[14:23] <viewer|55> and thank you so much for reading and answering
[14:28] <RikMills> viewer|55: 69 will come in updates in the main archive soon. can't give an ETA, but for example last 68 update was 5 days after mozilla release
[14:28] <BluesKaj> viewer|55, have you tried resetting the proxy in current FF preferences>network settings>settings?
[14:29] <RikMills> ubuntu do their own build, so it has to be built and QA'd, hence the delay
[14:33] <viewer|55> no i havent Blues but im very new to using this and i want to learn using it before i start tweaking settings. and thank you RIK
[15:48] <kubuntu__> Hi everyone.I have a problem.I am using Kubuntu 18.04.3LTS.And I am using application global menu.But when I open "Akregator"(RSS reader,a component of Kontact),It always crashes and closed.Who can give me a help?Thanks
[15:53] <kubuntu__>  Hi everyone.I have a problem.I am using Kubuntu 18.04.3LTS.And I am using application global menu.But when I open "Akregator"(RSS reader,a component of Kontact),It always crashes and closed.Who can give me a help?Thanks. I just tested and found that:after I close application global menu,the "Akregator" RSS reader can be used and opened again.
[16:02] <kubuntu__> Hi everyone.I have a problem.I am using Kubuntu 18.04.3LTS.And I am using application global menu.But when I open "Akregator"(RSS reader,a component of Kontact),It always crashes and closed.Who can give me a help?Thanks. I just tested and found that:after I close application global menu,the "Akregator" RSS reader can be used and opened again.
 Is ubuntu.com offline for you as well?
[20:40] <hoplaahei> hi. I have upgraded to Firefox 69 and a lot of sites will not load due to "secure connection failed". Do I need to update ssl certifcates? If so, how?


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 Just arrived
[01:36] <tsimonq2> valorie: can haz some? :D
 yes, I'll write to -devel about it
 either people can pay me or Kubuntu can pay me and I'll send for free
[01:37] <tsimonq2> ok cool
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[02:24]  * tsimonq2 read #ubuntu-release
[02:25] <valorie> I'll send the comments to -devel unless you want to, tsimonq2
[02:26] <tsimonq2> please do so valorie
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[04:04] <valorie> what was fast, ahoneybun?
[04:04] <ahoneybun> the stickers
[04:04] <valorie> yes, they are fast and good
[04:04] <valorie> I didn't see a way to save much money by going slower
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[08:37] <acheronuk> santa_ so far 28 packages rejected by the release team https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/yakkety/+queue?queue_state=4
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[09:15] <acheronuk> many rejects are because the source has not changed. KDE just re-spun tarballs with new version numbers for much of the non ported things in 16.04
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[09:36] <soee> uhm interesting https://aelog.org/kio-gdrive-released/
 Soee it need updated gapi and apps to work
[09:59] <acheronuk> santa_: please read the log or whatever of #ubuntu-release to see some of the issues
[10:11] <soee> clivejo: but it is ice to see we have such stuff :)
 I guess
 @soee, I saw that. may give it a spin
 Rik - https://launchpad.net/~clivejo/+archive/ubuntu/yakkety/+packages
 That's why I was building libkgapi on KCI yesterdat
 But its not instsllable according to the kio-gdrive build log
 ah. right
 Need to try installing that -dev package and get more info on why it won't install!
 Rik do you have a VM you could use for that?
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 what is it called exactly?
[10:43] <acheronuk> clivejo: libkf5gapi-dev just installed ok in a pbuilder chroot with the KCI repos added
[10:55] <clivejo> but wont install with just yakkety archive
[10:55] <clivejo> needs updated PIM components
[10:56] <clivejo>  libkf5gapi-dev : Depends: libkf5calendarcore-dev (>= 4.81.0~) but it is not going to be installed
[10:56] <clivejo>                   Depends: libkf5contacts-dev (>= 4.91.0~) but it is not going to be installed
[11:00] <acheronuk> clivejo: those are the ones from the split of kdepimlibs into 3 new repos for applications 16.08 I think?
 yup
 therefore we need apps 16.08 in yakkety for it to work :)
 happy days
[11:01] <acheronuk> backport again :/
[11:02] <acheronuk> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YakketyYak/ReleaseSchedule
[11:02]  * clivejo sings *what will we do with the drunken sailor*
[11:02] <acheronuk>  October 6th = FinalFreeze,
[11:03] <acheronuk> so little time.....
[11:14] <clivejo> FFS
[11:15] <clivejo>   The following configuration files were considered but not accepted:
[11:15] <clivejo>     /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/cmake/Qt5Keychain/Qt5KeychainConfig.cmake, version: 0.5.0
[11:15] <clivejo> everything in yakkety is too old!
[11:18] <soee> :(
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[12:26] <acheronuk> everything in yakkety is slightly screwed :(
[12:27] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:29] <soee> hho BluesKaj
[12:29] <BluesKaj> hey soee
[16:53] <ejat> hi
[16:53] <ejat> The following packages have been kept back:
[16:53] <ejat>   akonadi-backend-mysql akonadi-server libkf5akonadiagentbase5 libkf5akonadicore-bin libkf5akonadicore5 libkf5akonadiprivate5 libkf5akonadiwidgets5
[16:53] <ejat>   libkf5kdgantt2-5
[16:54] <ejat> can i force to install all of them ?
[16:58] <ejat> anyone can advise me ?
[18:39] <valorie> rather calm in here this morning!
[18:49] <ahoneybun> wow 142 updates
[18:52] <valorie> 107 for me
[19:00] <tsimonq2> 204 on my Debian KDE install
[19:02] <tsimonq2> acheronuk, clivejo, santa_, yofel: why do we still have packages for EOL releases in Backports?
[19:08] <valorie> examples, tsimonq2?
[19:09] <tsimonq2> valorie: 218 results - https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/ubuntu/backports/+packages?field.name_filter=&field.status_filter=published&field.series_filter=wily
[19:10] <valorie> those do need cleaning out indeed
[19:11] <tsimonq2> valorie: you think I still need to check with the others to clean that out?
[19:11] <valorie> !eol
[19:11] <valorie> no
[19:12] <valorie> we're far beyond July 28, 2016
[19:12] <valorie> it was overlooked I assume
[19:12] <tsimonq2> ok so I'll clean it out
[19:13] <valorie> feel free to run searches on the rest of 'em and clean any others out as well
[20:12] <tsimonq2> !info firefox yakkety
[20:12] <tsimonq2> :/
[20:12] <valorie> too old, or what?
[20:13] <tsimonq2> valorie: 49 is in proposed
[20:13] <tsimonq2> valorie: in the Kubuntu packageset, needs to migrate
[20:13] <valorie> I'm not sure what that means
[20:14] <valorie> "needs to migrate"
[20:15] <tsimonq2> valorie: ...from proposed
[20:16] <acheronuk> tsimonq2: is that a problem?
[20:17] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: firefox needs to migrate from proposed, yes
[20:17] <acheronuk> I'm sure the ubuntu mozilla team are on it
[20:17] <tsimonq2> yeah me too
[20:18] <valorie> oh that makes sense
[20:18] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: goal: fix ALL the packages on http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/#kubuntu
[20:18] <tsimonq2> (before Yakkety)
[20:18] <valorie> because we provide it, but don't work on it
[20:18] <tsimonq2> yeah
[20:18] <acheronuk> I'm using the beta from https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/ubuntu/firefox-next
[20:18] <tsimonq2> I use Chrome
[20:19] <acheronuk> and the FF dev version direct from mozilla
[20:19] <acheronuk> I will fall back to Chrome if needed, but not overly keen
[20:19] <tsimonq2> acheronuk: you gonna fix caligra or should I? ;)
[20:19] <valorie> I use chromium and fall back to FF
[20:19] <tsimonq2> !info caligra yakkety-proposed
[20:20] <tsimonq2> !info calligra yakkety-proposed
[20:20] <tsimonq2> :/
[20:21] <acheronuk> each to their own with browsers
[20:22] <tsimonq2> yup
[20:22]  * acheronuk pours a large glass of something nice
[20:25] <tsimonq2> clivejo: you were updating Calligra?
[20:25] <tsimonq2> !info calligra
[20:26] <clivejo> was I?
[20:26] <tsimonq2> clivejo: bug 538098
[20:27] <tsimonq2> :/
[20:27] <tsimonq2> clivejo: bug 1538098
[20:27] <tsimonq2> that ^^^^^^^^^^
[20:27] <valorie> we're behind, boo
[20:29] <clivejo> I guess there was something worng with my packaging :/
[20:29] <tsimonq2> clivejo: no, you just need to do it correctly@
[20:29] <tsimonq2> s/@/!/
[20:29] <valorie> was it rejected?
[20:29] <tsimonq2> no, nobody bother
[20:29] <valorie> I've heard it is a beast
[20:29] <tsimonq2> *bothered
[20:30] <valorie> ?
[20:30] <valorie> I'm confused
[20:30] <valorie> clive built it but it wasn't uploaded?
[20:30] <tsimonq2> well think about it, if it doesn't follow the right process, why should somebody bother?
[20:30]  * clivejo got fed up having to beg for sponsor to upload
[20:30] <wxl> beware the wrath of tsimonq2
[20:30] <tsimonq2> he needs to put a debdiff and subscribe ~ubuntu-sponsors
[20:30] <tsimonq2> and even then, 2.9.11 was released, I think
[20:31] <valorie> calligra was mentioned in #ubuntu-release recently
[20:32] <tsimonq2> really?
[20:32] <valorie> [23:37] <xnox> slangasek, with another stab at calligra and a few demotions to proposed it can be done.
[20:32] <valorie> yesterday
[20:32] <tsimonq2> if anybody wants to listen to me rant at wxl about packaging, here: https://hangouts.google.com/hangouts/_/djf4gawsmbgqdi557mmz4t4ykae
[20:33] <clivejo> I havent looked at calligra in a long time
[20:33] <clivejo> the versions in my PPA got uploaded on 2015-12-11
[20:34] <valorie> woah
[20:34] <clivejo> I guess thats whats still in use on my system
[20:34] <valorie> not sure I have it installed tbh
[20:35] <clivejo> I even backported it to Viviv
[20:35] <clivejo> Vivid
[20:35] <clivejo> wasnt I nice
[20:35] <valorie> nice
[20:35] <valorie> I have no vivid machines
[20:35] <valorie> you are nice, yes
[20:37] <clivejo> krita has been split off since that last release
[20:37] <valorie> oh my, we're a bit behind then
[20:41] <wxl> moved to  https://hangouts.google.com/call/yghxsmgmkvattkhhe7xxkzwkxue
[20:42] <wxl> note it's recorded
[20:42] <wxl> should have a youtube link soon (i think)
[20:42] <tsimonq2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGpmZb0XW0U
[20:42] <tsimonq2> there
[20:43] <valorie> I can catch up later then, good
[20:43] <valorie> busy right now
[20:48] <acheronuk> I'm a little bit too 'tired and emotional' now for that
[20:49] <valorie> acheronuk: {{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{hugs}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}
[20:49]  * valorie sneaks a lil caffeine into the beverage
[20:50] <clivejo> tsimonq2: debian have team ownership too
[20:51] <acheronuk> valorie: LOL. guess you don't know the phrase https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tired_and_emotional
[20:51] <valorie> I've heard it, yes!
[20:51] <valorie> are you 'not quite yourself'?
[20:51] <valorie> lol
[20:52] <acheronuk> quite likely
[20:55] <tsimonq2> !info hello
[20:55] <wxl> oh hello
[20:58] <acheronuk> !info qbrew
[20:59] <valorie> !
[20:59] <wxl> ?
[20:59] <valorie> heh, my son brews
[20:59] <valorie> sometimes
[20:59] <valorie> very good beer
[21:00]  * valorie has hop vines in the backyard
[21:00] <wxl> hip hop vines?
[21:00] <acheronuk> !info brewtarget
[21:00] <valorie> I'm not much of a hip hop fan
[21:01] <wxl> there's a lot of terrible hip hop. there's also some pretty transcendental stuff
[21:01] <valorie> besides my homeboy Sir Mix-a-lot
[21:01] <wxl> XD
[21:01] <valorie> who lives about 3 miles from me
[21:01] <wxl> cool
[21:01] <wxl> you know him personally?
[21:01] <valorie> nope
[21:01] <wxl> aw too bad
[21:02] <wxl> he's got some relatively new stuff that's actually pretty decent
[21:02] <valorie> he's a friendly guy, if you want to meet him....
[21:02] <wxl> Gradient is an awesome artist frmo Eugene
[21:02] <valorie> I've never had a reason to introduce myself
[21:02] <wxl> Watsky's x Infinity is utterly incredible
[21:02]  * wxl thinks we should move to -offtopic
[21:02] <valorie> ooo, I thought we were there
[21:03] <valorie> sorry for the noise, all
[21:19] <tsimonq2> !info foo
[21:36] <clivejo> oh good lord, it built!
[21:36] <valorie> \o/
[21:41] <DarinMiller> good clivejo
[21:42] <clivejo> probably take LP an hour to publish it now!
[23:45] <tsimonq2> ooh! http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/10/installpapirus-icon-theme-kde-kubuntu
[23:46] <tsimonq2> <3 http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/08/arc-theme-kde-plasma-desktop


[17:26] <qwebirc89250> Hello I am looking to convert my existing old Windows xp box into a machine that I can connect to the internet and TV. Mainly to view online video's . I am looking to use mythbuntu as the OS for that.  Is that a good idea? Secondly do i need to format my windows machine or will this work as a muly-boot system when I get a choice on startup to boot with mythbuntu or windows?
[20:05] <Shadow__X> qwebirc89250: which online videos do you want to watch and how do you plan to connect the computer to your tv
[20:05] <Shadow__X> also do you plan to record tv?
[20:26] <qwebirc59685> No I dont plan on doing recording. I plan on connection it using a mini USB to HDMI cable.
[20:35] <Shadow__X> i am not sure if that connection will work in linux for starters, also if all you do is plan to watch online videos take a look at xbmc or something like that as it is probably better suited for your usage. Mythtv is really about recording so if you dont plan to record everything its kind of a waste imo


[01:27] <jose> pleia2: I try to take a look every now and then, best way to mark all comments as spam (because they are) is to enable keyboard shortcuts and press S for spam
[01:28] <pleia2> jose: we got some real ones on the 10th birthday post :D
[01:28] <jose> oooh, magic!
[01:28] <pleia2> that's why I still check them
[01:29] <pleia2> also, if you click "Check for Spam" and let it spin for a while, it can drop the number you have to go through to 0
[01:29] <pleia2> if we're just going to delete them all, we should disable comments
[01:29] <pleia2> s/go through to 0/go through to 1/2
[01:30] <jose> was just kidding with that. didn't know about that feature!
[01:30] <pleia2> :)
[10:14] <dholbach> hiya
[10:14] <dholbach> can anyone help me log into the fridge?
[10:14] <dholbach> for some reason I get stuck in a login/sso loop
[14:48] <pleia2> dholbach: you'll have to submit a ticket to canonical IS, they revoked our admin access some time ago
[14:49] <dholbach> oh ok
[14:52] <dholbach> thanks, I'll do that then


[00:25] <Takyoji> Anyone done a successful LDAP/NFS network setup (whereas /home is an NFS share) on 12.04, without having an issue of a blank screen or no desktop after authenticating past LightDM?
[00:26] <Takyoji> Can't find any errors in /var/log/auth.log; NFS share is mounted, and LDAP is accessible.
[00:32] <SpamapS> Takyoji: what if you login via console?
[00:32] <SpamapS> Takyoji: is the home dir writable?
[00:32] <Takyoji> The home folder is writable, yes.
[00:32] <SpamapS> Takyoji: you should have a .xsession-errors file then
[00:35] <Takyoji> (compiz:1846): GConf-CRITICAL **: gconf_client_add_dir: assertion `gconf_valid_key (dirname, NULL)' failed
[00:35] <Takyoji> is the only error
[00:37] <SpamapS> Takyoji: thats compiz failing to work with gconf...
[00:37] <SpamapS> Takyoji: perhaps it was just a timeout error caused by NFS
[00:39] <SpamapS> Takyoji: you might try renaming .gconf to .gconf.old and seeing if that allows compiz/unity to start
[01:47] <ejnahc> some php-fastcgi processes in my server are strange... it doesn't kill when I typed `php-fastcgi restart` or `kill SIGTERM <pid>`, ... but It killed with SIGKILL(kill -9 <pid>). what's the problem here and how can I fix it?
[02:22] <delinquentme> hey all ! I'm looking for a more transparent way to transfer files between dirs than the cp command
[02:22] <delinquentme> preferably something that has feedback as to the progress
[02:23] <patdk-lap> rsync?
[02:23] <patdk-lap> rsync -v
[02:23] <patdk-lap> rsync -vP
[02:23] <patdk-lap> rsync -avP (my fav)
[02:24] <delinquentme> patdk-lap, I've run rsync only once ... whats the -avP flag do?
[02:24] <patdk-lap> everything almost
[02:24] <delinquentme> NICEEE and its preinstalled
[02:24] <delinquentme> lol
[02:24] <patdk-lap> -a means do most things
[02:24] <delinquentme> breakfast
[02:24] <patdk-lap> copy time,recursive,links,permissions,owner,group,...
[02:24] <delinquentme> does it handle that?  no jk jk but how about something like a progress bar?
[02:24] <patdk-lap> v means list files (verbose)
[02:25] <patdk-lap> P  is progress + partial
[02:25] <delinquentme> Oh lovely!!!
[02:25] <delinquentme> happy days.
[02:25] <patdk-lap> rsync -avP --del :)
[02:26] <delinquentme> @_@
[02:26] <delinquentme> i dont think i like that one as much
[02:26] <patdk-lap> also sync missing files (delete on dest)
[02:26] <patdk-lap> it's more to make an exact mirror
[02:31] <delinquentme> patdk-lap, I'm missing what that does?
[02:31] <delinquentme> if there are missing files .. well wouldn't they just not be copied?
[02:35] <patdk-lap> if there are missing files on the source side?
[02:35] <patdk-lap> --del would cause it to delete them on the destination side
[02:41] <delinquentme> patdk-lap, I dont understand :D
[02:41] <delinquentme> like if they're missing ... wouldn't they *not* be copied?
[02:41] <delinquentme> or is this for like sym linked files which arent currently connected to their actual files?
[02:41] <delinquentme> ( a little lost )
[04:21] <phunyguy> OK I have a simpleton problem... I am trying to remove all files in a directory that start with a string, and the ending doesn't matter.  The command is in a script, and the filenames have spaces so they have quotes.  With that being said, a command like 'rm -rf "name of file*"' doesn't work, whereas 'rm -rf name\ of\ file* works.  What makes the quotes different that it won't work with the wildcards?
[04:22] <qman__> you're sending a literal *
[04:22] <qman__> like name\ of\ file\*
[04:23] <phunyguy> qman_ thanks, how would I get around that?
[04:23] <phunyguy> (kinda new to that stuff)
[04:23] <qman__> like you just did
[04:24] <qman__> escape instead of quote
[04:24] <phunyguy> right but in the script the escapes are removed initially, so quotes are required
[04:25] <qman__> I don't know if "name of file"* will give the expected result, you'll have to try
[04:25] <phunyguy> already on it, lol
[04:25] <qman__> if not, use sed to escape it beforehand
[04:26] <qman__> escaped=`echo "$variable" | sed s/\ /\\\ /g`
[04:26] <phunyguy> moving the quote before the * works
[04:27] <phunyguy> and qman__ that would only half work, there are also other unsupported characters that need to be escaped
[04:27] <qman__> more seds
[04:27] <qman__> but yeah
[04:27] <phunyguy> or I can just move the quote  ;)
[04:27] <qman__> I wasn't sure if that quoting would work right
[04:27] <phunyguy> works a champ
[04:27] <qman__> but if it does, go for it
[04:27] <phunyguy> thanks for the tip.
[04:28] <phunyguy> didn't think of the literal *
[07:41] <lordievader> Good morning
[07:53] <xkill> what's the least amount of disk space i could get away with having to set up a 700 MB HTML/CSS/jquery-mobile website using apache, php, mysql, curl, & python for Opencart?
[08:08] <lifeless> xkill: 700MB ?
[08:27] <jaredrhine> (probably means directory size of the web site docroot is 700MB of files all told)
[08:27] <xkill> yeah, flash, pics, lots of stuff
[08:27] <xkill> yeah
[08:28] <jaredrhine> anything of note in mysql then? and you're asking how big a filesystem would thus be needed for just the OS plus apps above?
[08:29] <jaredrhine> it's a dangerous game going as small as possible. what you give up is log files, etc. i haven't done a recent lean install, i'd guess it's around or under 2gb including all the apps you mention.
[08:30] <xkill> yeah, minus that 700 MB website that is on a CD at the moment, how much disk space will i need?
[08:31] <xkill> the mysql db is for opercart products and customers and purchases and all its stuff. never run an opencart b4 so i dont know exactly how quickly it will grow. but for the moment just needs to be big enough to hold a few users and the product database
[08:31] <jaredrhine> 2gb minimum, and you'll run out of disk space unless you prune logs and don't add anything to mysql. so 2.7gb, call it 3.
[08:32] <jaredrhine> if you know exactly what you're doing and can prune apps, documentation, man pages maybe, 2gb total.
[08:34] <xkill> perfect. all is not lost then
[11:32] <Troy^> I'm getting some weird buffering streaming media over my samba server to xbmc.. Server is wired and the HTPC and 802.11n but i was even testing with 720p media.. Most of the time with 1080p DTS stuff it is flawless then it goes into these spurts of buffering while even watching 720p content. Is there any setting to put in the smb.conf that would help performance for this?
[11:40] <patdk-lap> sounds like your wireless it having interference
[11:42] <Troy^> ?? that doesn't make sense
[11:46] <Troy^> i just saw a power saving option for the wireless radio on my router settings so i turned that off
[11:55] <patdk-lap> doesn't make sense?
[11:56] <patdk-lap> interference means packet loss, and therefor means it will buffer more
[11:56] <Troy^> how does it sound like interference i though it would be more with samba and its shottiness
[11:57] <patdk-lap> but something going to sleep will cause the same effects also :)
[11:58] <Troy^> could it be disk drive? i have my xbmc buffer set to 1gb then again i dont know if that actually works.. apparently WMM power saving shouldn't cause problems for streaming so i dont know
[11:58] <patdk-lap> xbmc sounds like a gui thing
[12:45] <fidel> wc
[12:47] <iqualfragile> i follewed the ubuntu-serverguide about installing a openldap-server, first i have installed a fresh 12.04 into a virtual box, then i have copy-pasted every instruction from the page https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/openldap-server.html
[12:47] <iqualfragile> so first i changed my /etc/hosts to
[12:48] <iqualfragile> <IP_ADDRESS>       localhost
[12:48] <iqualfragile> <IP_ADDRESS>       vm-fai-ubuntuserver
[12:48] <iqualfragile> <IP_ADDRESS>       barium.herzog.loc barium
[12:48] <iqualfragile> # The following lines are desirable for IPv6 capable hosts
[12:48] <iqualfragile> (i hope im allowed to paset 4 lines without pastebin)
[12:48] <iqualfragile> then i did
[12:48] <iqualfragile> sudo apt-get install slapd ldap-utils
[12:49] <iqualfragile> my /etc/ldap/slapd.d/ looks right
[12:49] <iqualfragile> then i ran sudo ldapsearch -Q -LLL -Y EXTERNAL -H ldapi:/// -b cn=config dn
[12:49] <iqualfragile> it returned the predicted output
[12:50] <iqualfragile> but now i tried to run $ ldapsearch -x -LLL -H ldap:/// -b dc=example,dc=com dn
[12:51] <iqualfragile> (i have changed it to ldapsearch -x -LLL -H ldap:/// -b dc=herzog,dc=loc dn
[12:51] <iqualfragile> and it says: No such object (32)
[12:51] <iqualfragile> where did i go wrong?
[12:51] <qman__> that hosts file is not correct, but I don't know if it's the cause of your problem or not
[12:52] <iqualfragile> i have allso tried
[12:52] <iqualfragile> <IP_ADDRESS>       localhost
[12:52] <iqualfragile> <IP_ADDRESS>       barium.herzog.loc barium
[12:53] <iqualfragile> but that did not work the step before, sudo ldapsearch -Q -LLL -Y EXTERNAL -H ldapi:/// -b cn=config dn returned an error
[12:53] <qman__> you can only have each IP once, so if you want them all to be <IP_ADDRESS>, it would be
[12:53] <qman__> <IP_ADDRESS>       vm-fai-ubuntuserver barium.herzog.loc barium
[12:54] <qman__> but it probably should use your actual IP
[12:54] <iqualfragile> but the guide says thats what i should do
[12:55] <qman__> ah, ok
[12:55] <qman__> then it should be this
[12:55] <qman__> <IP_ADDRESS>       barium.herzog.loc barium vm-fai-ubuntuserver
[12:55] <qman__> (assuming you want vm-fai-ubuntuserver to still work)
[12:56] <iqualfragile> i dont rly care, it did not work without it
[12:56] <iqualfragile> but i have found some suspicious lines
[12:57] <iqualfragile> olcSuffix: dc=nodomain
[12:57] <iqualfragile> olcAccess: {0}to attrs=userPassword,shadowLastChange by self write by anonymous auth by dn="cn=admin,dc=nodomain" write by * none
[12:57] <iqualfragile> olcAccess: {2}to * by self write by dn="cn=admin,dc=nodomain" write by * read
[12:57] <iqualfragile> olcRootDN: cn=admin,dc=nodomain
[12:57] <iqualfragile> in /etc/ldap/slapd.d/cn=config/olcDatabase={1}hdb.ldif
[12:58] <iqualfragile> so if i would just change that, would it work?
[12:58] <iqualfragile> lets try
[13:03] <iqualfragile> no, it does not
[13:11] <iqualfragile> qman__: thankyou, that seemd to be the problem
[15:49] <Error404NotFound> Wonder if its right place or not, but i am doing this on ubuntu so i am gonna ask it here anyway :P, http://paste2.org/p/2226885 These contain 2 samples of / entries in fstab. I am trying to write sed combined awk to append noatime,nodiratime to mount options. any hints?
[15:52] <SpamapS> Error404NotFound: why are you trying to sed/awk that?
[15:54] <Error404NotFound> SpamapS: there are 2 possible questions i see in your question. 1- why am i even try it? Writing a bootstrap script and thought it would be nice to throw my commonly used config. 2- why using sed and awk? awk to tokenize and sed to replace
[15:55] <SpamapS> Error404NotFound: so if you're automating this, there are better ways. augeas is really good for parsing and editting fstab for instance.
[15:55] <Error404NotFound> SpamapS: hmmm, never heard of that, !google time
[15:56] <SpamapS> Error404NotFound: if the content of fstab is more static.. why not just replace the lines rather than try to be clever about sed/awk?
[15:57] <SpamapS> as somebody who has sed/awk'd a lot of fstabs.. I can say its a lot of time in, and not much win out. ;)
[15:57] <ogra_> erm
[15:57] <ogra_> if you bootstrap from scratch fstab is empty anyway
[15:58] <Error404NotFound> SpamapS: i was also thinking about that. But, the pretend-to-be-smart-kid in me wanted to make it "generic"
[15:58] <ogra_> just cp one in place us use a here-doc
[15:58] <Error404NotFound> ogra_: nah, i do the second part of bootstrap, the vm part of managed by a 3rd party vendor, i can call my script using a hook that runs after a vm has been up an running
[15:59] <Error404NotFound> the vm part is managed*
[16:08] <gabrtv> i'm seeing `git-core` disappearing intermittently from ubuntu ec2 mirrors
[16:08] <gabrtv> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/12438946/intermittent-package-git-core-has-no-installation-candidate
[16:09] <gabrtv> any ideas?  i've confirmed it's intermittent..
[16:09] <gabrtv> started seeing it last night
[16:11] <ogra_> git-core is dead since at least two releases
[16:11] <ogra_> apt-cache show git-core
[16:11] <ogra_> ..." This is a transitional dummy package.  The 'git-core' package has been
[16:11] <ogra_>  renamed to 'git', which has been installed automatically.  This
[16:11] <ogra_>  git-core package is now obsolete, and can safely be removed from the
[16:11] <ogra_>  system if no other package depends on it."...
[16:11] <gabrtv> seems half dead, because after a few updates it's available
[16:13] <gabrtv> i'll try switching though, thx
[16:20] <gabrtv> ogra_: E: Unable to locate package git
[21:01] <Troy^> alright my ubuntu server is on a dynamic ip address and i'm possibly looking at buying a domain is there a good place to buy a full domain with auto ip updating
[21:17] <Error404NotFound> Troy^: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=register+domain+dynamic+dns ?
[21:20] <Troy^> Error404NotFound: you actually took the time, why thank you
[21:22] <Troy^> i was just looking for suggestions in what people used/prefered with dynamic ip updating
[21:49] <blast_hardcheese> I followed https://help.ubuntu.com/12.04/serverguide/ubuntucloud.html almost to the letter, but when I run "euca-run-instances $ami -k user1 -t m1.tiny" I get "EC2APIError: Image must be available". Is this a known issue?
[21:49] <blast_hardcheese> The only stuff I left out was creating a private network, since I don't have two NICs on this machine
[21:50] <blast_hardcheese> but all the services are running and happy
[22:06] <Awaken> Troy^, I  use joker.com for most of my domains. Tehy include a dynamic service u can use with any domain, to update it you poll a web address
[22:06] <Awaken> tomato or dd-wrt router can update it , others might not
[22:06] <Awaken> u can always run something on your lan ofc
[22:07] <Awaken> https://joker.com/faq/content/11/427/en/what-is-dynamic-dns-dyndns.html


[12:22] <CrazyLemon> hey guys
[12:23] <CrazyLemon> i was wondering if there is any way to submit translated cover to the ubuntu manual project?
[15:19] <CarstenG> hi
[15:19] <CarstenG> at all
[18:56] <R33D3M33R> hello, so a year and a half ago i asked when the website translations will be updated ... do you know now?


[06:56] <mlankhorst> RAOF: yeah but that was after that comment he put in :)
[06:57] <mlankhorst> I just wanted to know if there was a way to say 'hold on until I have more info I don't want to risk it getting upstream'
[06:58] <mlankhorst> s/upstream/in updates/
[06:59] <mlankhorst> oh timing
[06:59] <mlankhorst> RAOF: yeah but that was after that comment he put in. I just wanted to know if there was a way to say 'hold on until I have more info I don't want to risk it getting released'
[07:52] <mlankhorst> RAOF: can synaptics be sru'd?
[08:15] <RAOF> mlankhorst: Yes; failing anything else, I'll get to it on my SRU team day tomorrow.
[09:59] <seb128> RAOF, mlankhorst: what's the deal with those workitems?
[09:59] <seb128> [raof] Switch on SNA for -intel in quantal post-alpha1 once it's had a week to bake in -edgers: TODO
[09:59] <seb128> [bryce] Forward SNA-related -intel bugs to Intel between alpha1 and alpha2: BLOCKED
[09:59] <seb128> [ubuntu-x-swat] Evaluate shippability of SNA for -intel in quantal pre-alpha-2: BLOCKED
[09:59] <seb128> [raof] Drop libgl1-mesa-swx11 and 8bit/16bit osmesa packages from mesa post-alpha1: TODO
[09:59] <seb128>
[10:00] <seb128> we are past post-alpha1 ;-)
[10:00] <seb128> we are post-alpha2!
[10:00] <seb128> do you know why the BLOCKED as well? what is blocking?
[10:05] <RAOF> I may be missing some context here?
[10:16] <seb128> RAOF, sorry, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-q-xorg-general
[10:16] <seb128> RAOF, those are work items from that spec
[10:17] <seb128> RAOF, I just noticed reviewing the list that they seemed to be "post a1" items and we are post a2 ... so I was wondering what's the status on thelm
[10:54] <tjaalton> seb128: sna just got enabled in edgers last week
[10:55] <tjaalton> so slightly behind schedule there
[10:55] <mlankhorst> RAOF: lets drop swx11 and enable vdpau then?
[10:55] <tjaalton> and the other task is blocked because of that
[10:56] <tjaalton> let the debian bug reporter sort out the packaging bits first?
[10:56] <tjaalton> that's why it got reverted from our mesa
[10:56] <tjaalton> handling hw-specific config files is not trivial
[10:56] <mlankhorst> oh k
[10:56] <mlankhorst> fairly sure mesa no longer uses config files though
[10:57] <mlankhorst> or at least had an attempt to use autoconf more
[10:58] <tjaalton> /etc/XvMCConfig or what it was called
[10:58] <tjaalton> not for vdpau
[10:58] <mlankhorst> that's used by the xvmc wrapper
[10:58] <tjaalton> the patch enabled that too
[10:59] <mlankhorst> it could be moved towards loading xvmc lib based on driver like vdpau does
[11:00] <mlankhorst> but dropping xvmc altogether sounds like a better plan
[11:00] <tjaalton> yeah, not much useful these days
[11:14] <RAOF> mlankhorst: Yup. That can me my reward after processing the SRU queue tomorrow :)
[11:19] <mlankhorst> ah k
[11:45] <seb128> tjaalton, mlankhorst, RAOF: can somebody update the workitems to reflect the new target? is a3 realistic?
[11:46] <mlankhorst> should be easy
[14:30] <mlankhorst> RAOF: ugh for copyright notice what is preferred?
[14:42] <mlankhorst>  * Copyright © 2012 Canonical
[14:42] <mlankhorst> good enough?
[14:42] <tjaalton> Ltd.
[14:42] <tjaalton> there's probably some template on wiki.c.c
[14:42] <tjaalton> or just copy from elsewhere
[14:43] <mlankhorst> hm ok :)
[14:43] <mlankhorst> I finished my initial dma-buf-mgr stub, surprisingly little survived of my initial code. Now to hook it up..
[15:34] <ogra_> so i got this new machine ... with two radeon 6670 cards and three monitors ...
[15:34] <ogra_> apparently to use all three across the two cards i need to enable xinerama ... which then disables composite ...
[15:35] <ogra_> is there any reason that we build our xserver in a way that excludes composite when xinerama is on ? i thought that was fixed in 1.10
[15:36] <jcristau> it's not really
[15:36] <ogra_> and what is http://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/xserver/commit/?id=84a14fab8f930ef1855444ae4e9e3e14ee008328 ?
[15:37] <ogra_> i thought that enabled it
[15:37]  * ogra_ was hoping it was only a build time switch we miss
[16:07] <mlankhorst> and v2 sent to ml :)
[17:33] <bryceh> ogra_, have you tried with the blob?
[17:34] <cnd> bryceh: do you know when the quantal X server is going to be uploaded?
[17:36] <bryceh> cnd, do you mean 1.12?  That went u p last week
[17:36] <cnd> bryceh: oh great!
[17:36] <cnd> I just got back from a small vacation
[17:36] <bryceh> cnd, we expect to continue pulling upstream versions off and on through to the 1.13 release
[17:36] <cnd> so I didn't notice
[17:36] <bryceh> cnd, welcome back!
[17:36] <cnd> oh, quantal will be 1.13?
[17:36] <cnd> that makes fixing upstream bugs easier :)
[17:37] <bryceh> well, that's the target, but we'll keep options open until we can bang on it and make sure it's safe
[17:37] <cnd> yeah
[17:37] <cnd> I'm going to be trying to fix an upstream bug today, so us being on 1.12 now is nice
[17:38]  * bryceh nods
[17:39] <bryceh> mlankhorst, reminds me; you now can start rolling the LTS point release scripts to set up those 12.x PPAs now
[17:42] <mlankhorst> bryceh: ah was still busy with dma-buf synching but got to the point where I like the api :)
[17:42] <mlankhorst> do you mean 12.x straight or renamed?
[17:43] <bryceh> mlankhorst, renamed
[17:43] <mlankhorst> oh sure, will do!
[17:48] <mlankhorst> bryceh: kept myself busy with the synching problem, found a nice solution for deadlocks on free, simply wait until deferred fput patches hit mainline, problem goes away by itself there. The synching api itself will be done by a renamed and slightly modified version of ttm reservation.
[17:48] <bryceh> mlankhorst, cool
[17:49] <bryceh> mlankhorst, do those fput patches make any sense to think about SRUing to precise?
[17:49] <mlankhorst> probably not, but it will be in the backported kernel
[17:49]  * bryceh nods
[17:49] <bryceh> ok sounds good
[17:50] <mlankhorst> there's only 1 opportunity for deadlocking now in dma-buf and that should be solved by not taking the lock there.
[19:14] <ricotz> bryceh, hi :)
[19:15] <ricotz> bryceh, could you push a rebuild of nvidia-blob for abi 12 in quantal?
[19:37] <tjaalton> tseliot's business
[19:38] <tjaalton> actually
[19:38] <tjaalton> mlankhorst: you uploaded nvidia the last time?
[19:40] <tjaalton> ricotz: they should be fine, no?
[19:42] <mlankhorst> tjaalton: nope?
[19:42] <mlankhorst> but yeah should have been rebuilt
[19:43] <tjaalton> i'm not sure if they use the automatic stuff
[19:43] <tjaalton> but hardcoded values
[19:43] <ricotz> tjaalton, currently not
[19:43] <ricotz> it just needs and rebuild
[19:43] <ricotz> and/an
[19:44] <tjaalton> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/quantal-changes/2012-June/003202.html
[19:44] <tjaalton> how come that didn't fix it then
[19:44] <ricotz> tjaalton, 302.17
[19:44] <tjaalton> that's not in quantal
[19:45] <ricotz> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/302.17-0ubuntu1
[19:45] <tjaalton> ok, well that was uploaded even later, so
[19:46] <Sarvatt> he uploaded straight to ubuntu when x was in proposed?
[19:46] <ricotz> Sarvatt, probably
[19:46] <tjaalton> ok
[19:46] <ricotz> tjaalton, fact is it depends on abi 11 instead of 12 ;)
[19:47] <ricotz> so i hope someone could push a rebuild
[19:51] <jcristau> if a rebuild changes that, something's broken
[19:52] <ricotz> jcristau, it automatically picks up the abi version provided by xserver-xorg-dev, what is broken with that?
[19:53] <tjaalton> the blob doesn't automatically gain new abi
[19:53] <jcristau> it's a blob.  you know the abi versions it supports statically
[19:53] <jcristau> it doesn't depend on what you build against at all
[19:53] <ricotz> the packaging does it that way
[19:53] <jcristau> then the packaging is screwed up.
[19:53] <ricotz> so this would need to be changed then
[19:54] <tjaalton> i've downloaded it
[19:55] <ricotz> i am not here to argue about this, i am just saying nvidia-blob is not installable in this condition and a rebuild against the newer xserver fixes it
[19:55] <ricotz> despite the fact that the packaging might need some rethinking in this case
[19:57] <Sarvatt> jcristau: i very much agree, but its like that so its not installable when it doesn't support the new abi in the gui driver installer
[19:57] <tjaalton> hm?
[19:59] <bryceh> %-)
[19:59] <tjaalton> i can push the rebuild
[19:59] <tjaalton> and worry about the packaging later..
[20:04] <ricotz> tjaalton, thanks
[21:15] <tjaalton> nice, firefox and tbird both taking ~80% cpu
[21:52] <tjaalton> ok both were due to the leapsecond mess


[08:01] <InHisName> Only about 6 more months to the 8th Birthday for the topic last set.
[08:50] <swift110> really
[10:52] <teddy-dbear> Morning peoples, critters and everything else


[05:36] <guiverc> qa-test install impish; old slow box.. xscreensaver kicks in before install finishes; should we increase delay?  is it us that sets it currently?  (lubuntu-default-settings via /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/XScreenSaver) or really does it matter?  how many users still use c2d boxes & spinning rust drives as I suspect not many...


[21:55] <Psi-Jack> Hazelnut!
[21:55] <erts> Hi there, I have a device with a microsd card reader, and the reader seems to be detected, but when I insert an sd card (or even if I boot with one inserted), it's not detected by the system. All I get is "mmc1: SDHCI controller on ACPI [80860F14:01] using ADMA" on boot and that's it. I know it's compatible with Linux because on Fedora (versions 30 and 31 at least) it's working flawlessly. I'm on 20.04 but also tried 18.04 with HWE. Any ideas? Thanks!
[21:56] <oerheks> dany666, set boot to the hdd again?
[21:57] <dany666> it doesnt do anything...without anything in the rom..i even remove the rom and still get the error
[21:57] <dany666> googled around and keep finding something to set  bios to something but that option does not exist
[21:59] <usr123> I upgraded from 18.04 to 20.04 and brave stopped working, after a few seconds I see the "Aww, Snap!" screen
[21:59] <usr123> also my trackpad suddenly stops working and works fine after rebooting
[22:01] <hegemoOn> hello
[22:01] <oerheks> ERROR 1962 Lenovo – No Operating System Found .. so it is a bios setting to the right hdd/uefi perhaps?
[22:01] <hegemoOn> i have some difficulties to connect riscv ucontroller
[22:01] <hegemoOn> with focal
[22:02] <fl0_id> hegemoOn wrong chnannel imo
[22:02] <fl0_id> usr123 reinstall brave?
[22:02] <hegemoOn> fl0_id:i dont think
[22:02] <fl0_id> dany666 try disabling secure boot?
[22:02] <hegemoOn> was working great with 18.02
[22:03] <hegemoOn> since upgrade both my riscV longan nano are not able to be detected
[22:03] <fl0_id> hegemoOn it's very specialized. riscv people probably can help you better.
[22:03] <dany666> oerheks  i have no idea what just happened...was in the live cd cuz i wanted to try something....i reboot try f1 f2 f 12 and cant even get intio bios what the hell
[22:03] <usr123> fl0_id, correct me if I'm wrong, sudo apt-get purge brave-browser && sudo apt-get autoremove and then install brave?
[22:04] <fl0_id> usr123 you don't need autoremove iirc
[22:05] <fl0_id> try launching from terminal if there is a useful message. check if repo for brave is set properly for focal
[22:05] <cgi> All machines ubuntu 18.04lts - I've a key pair that  I have copied on two machines X and Y (they try to clone a repo from Z). When I use git clone from one machine - it works. When I use it from another maching, it does not. Any ideas on what could be wrong?
[22:06] <fl0_id> cgi try to connect with ssh and -vvv and check what the difference is
[22:06] <cgi> Permission denied (publickey). is what i am getting
[22:07] <|izzie> fl0_id: NAME="Ubuntu"
[22:07] <|izzie> VERSION="18.04.4 LTS (Bionic Beaver)"
[22:07] <fl0_id> one reason can be one machine has too many other keys already, they get tried first, then the proper one cannot be tried cause too many tries
[22:07] <cgi> fl0_id, k - I'm root on both X and Y - when I clone, I get the same error now. But in a docker container where i mount the .ssh keys, one works, the other does not. Interesting problem.
[22:07] <fl0_id> |izzie i meant like kubuntu, ubuntu, xubuntu... cause depending on that other settings etc might apply
[22:08] <fl0_id> cgi if you mount the ssh keys, the same applies, probably
[22:09] <|izzie> ubuntu
[22:09] <fl0_id> |izzie do battery settings in gnome have sth about htat? cannot check atm
[22:11] <dany666> anyone have any idea whats the issue with lenovos and error 1962
[22:12] <dany666> did a fresh install 18.04 and it gives the error
[22:14] <fl0_id> dany666 which lenovo?
[22:14] <fl0_id> it matters
[22:14] <dany666> h430
[22:17] <dany666> i know its old i see here bios if from 2012
[22:17] <fl0_id> dany666 I would also suggest changing boot mode which you say is not there. maybe you need to set to advanced mode before it is shown
[22:18] <dany666> how do i do that....change it to advanced?
[22:18] <fl0_id> see where it says advanced mode in bios and change it
[22:19] <dany666> there is an Advanced tab but Execute Disable Bit, Intel speedstep tech, intel virtualization and Core multi processong are all enabled
[22:24] <fl0_id> dany666 none of those matter for this. dunno, maybe make a picture of all the bios screens
[22:25] <fl0_id> or is there a startup tab?
[22:25] <dany666> i cant even get into bios sometimes it gets straight to the error even thk i push f12 ,1 and 2
[22:26] <fl0_id> dany666 if you have fast boot enabled and just reboot, that can be normal, the time to press will be very short
[22:28] <dany666> https://ibb.co/s6J4NWP
[22:29] <dany666> heres a link
[22:29] <dany666> https://ibb.co/s6J4NWP
[22:34] <dany666> a little help pls fresh installed ubuntu 18.04 on a "old" lenovo and getting 1962 error...i dont have many options in the bios
[22:34] <dany666> had 16.04 installed before that and had no problem
[22:36] <fl0_id> dany666 just wondering, why did you install 18.04 now when 20.04 just came out?
[22:37] <dany666> i googled the sys req and i have only 2 g ram and bad proc
[22:37] <dany666> that was the closest and it has lts till 2023
[22:38] <Munsko> If u have low specs, you could try Lubuntu,Kubuntu or Xubuntu
[22:38] <Munsko> They have versions that are supported
[22:38] <dany666> yeah but i did a fresh install with no problems at all
[22:38] <Munsko> And are oriented to low specs
[22:38] <dany666> and after first reboot i get this
[22:39] <dany666> 1962
[22:39] <fl0_id> like I said, doesn't matter if it worked before, show what bios options you have
[22:39] <Munsko> https://askubuntu.com/questions/796255/error-1962-no-operating-system-found
[22:39] <Munsko> Check that
[22:39] <dany666> i did https://ibb.co/s6J4NWP
[22:39] <Munsko> Looks like a corruped instalation or something
[22:40] <fl0_id> dany666 what does it show on startup and security?
[22:41] <Munsko> In the topic they say: check if you have your architecture version(if u are x32 dont use 64), try disable safety mode on bios
[22:41] <slyrus_> Upon updating to 20.04 I'm having DNS issues.  If I use them all, my DNS problems go away.
[22:42] <RoseBus> how can i get my unsaved work bacK?
[22:42] <dany666> security just admin. pass .. power on pass. set adm. pass and set power on passs
[22:42] <Munsko> dany666, check your processor specifications
[22:43] <dany666> sys summary
[22:43] <RoseBus> who i got it back with 'fg'
[22:43] <fl0_id> slyrus_ this might be related to systemd changes. but either way, if you do not really really need bind9, def remove it
[22:43] <dany666> intel celeron cpu g530 @ 2.40
[22:44] <Munsko> Architecture?
[22:44] <Munsko> Try check in bios what says(it could be x32, 64 or says x86)
[22:44] <Munsko> I think the problem should be that your processor is x32, and new ubuntu OS are x64
[22:45] <dany666> it doesnt say...its dual core
[22:45] <Munsko> Ok, check the iso that you used
[22:45] <dany666> its x64
[22:45] <Munsko> dany666, the iso or th eprocessor is 64?
[22:46] <dany666> no the dvd image
[22:46] <Munsko> oh
[22:46] <Munsko> Theres th eproblem
[22:46] <Munsko> You cant use x64 distros in x32 pc
[22:46] <dany666> i dont honestly know i had win7 x64 so...im thinkijng its x64
[22:46] <Munsko> It just dont recognize it
[22:47] <dany666> well maybe thats it
[22:47] <Munsko> Yes
[22:47] <dany666> too bad i erased the windows side
[22:47] <Munsko> You need install other one
[22:47] <Munsko> Oh, what a pity
[22:48] <Munsko> You have another pc?
[22:48] <Munsko> to put in a usb the so
[22:48] <Munsko> os*
[22:48] <Munsko> https://kubuntu.org/alternative-downloads ; https://lubuntu.net/downloads/
[22:48] <dany666> not really no
[22:48] <Munsko> You have some ISO that are 18.04 there
[22:49] <Munsko> THe problem is burn it somewhere
[22:49] <fl0_id> google says g530 is 64 bit. it's a low end chip but that doesn't matter
[22:49] <dany666> yeah ill search for them......its late...anyway thank you...deleted most of my music anyway meh
[22:50] <Munsko> fl0_id, you are right
[22:50] <Munsko> Try reinstall the OS
[22:50] <Munsko> Maybe it works
[22:50] <dany666> so you say its x64 or?
[22:50] <Munsko> The processor is x64
[22:50] <Munsko> That says Intel
[22:51] <Munsko> https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/53414/intel-celeron-processor-g530-2m-cache-2-40-ghz.html
[22:51] <fl0_id> yeah. but wiht such low ram I would def use 32...
[22:51] <slyrus_> fl0_id: Ok, one variable removed. bind9 is now gone. Problem persists. systemd-resolve --status knows my DNS domain, but I'm not sure how.
[22:51] <Munsko> fl0_id,  he could try install that one and then change to x32 distro
[22:51] <fl0_id> yeah
[22:51] <Munsko> Or just install one flavour of ubuntu
[22:52] <Munsko> Im running lubuntu with only 500mb at startup
[22:52] <Munsko> And its x64
[22:52] <Munsko> dany666,  try install again
[22:52] <dany666> ok ill try it.....thank you for the help guys see you
[22:52] <Munsko> If u have the opportunity, try install having the internet conection avisable
[22:53] <Munsko> Sometimes the setup need some files
[22:53] <dany666> it always was
[22:53] <fl0_id> slyrus_ /etc/systemd/resolved.conf /etc/sytemd/resolved/* or maybe it knows form your router
[22:53] <Munsko> Nice, so, good luck
[22:55] <slyrus_> fl0_id: no, not there. possible, but unlikely it knows it form the router. But why would DNS only fail for queries to that domain?
[22:57] <blahboybaz> I have a problem with my audio. Sometimes the volumen will not go up enough to hear it over other sounds at the time - chewing something crunchy being one example  ;).   I tried alsa mixer but I dont' think it's supposed to look or behave the way it is. https://imgur.com/yGrhlUg
[22:57] <blahboybaz> * is that what alsamixer is supposed to look / act like? And is there a soln for my problem?
[23:10] <oerheks> blahboybaz, hit F6; select soundcard, and see
[23:38] <Biessie> finally updated my ubuntu to 20.04!
[23:38] <bigongst> Hi folks, I'm wondering if anyone would mind spending a little time with me correcting some networking issues I'm experiencing on 20.04 in VMWare Workstation.
[23:38] <Biessie> worked well.
[23:39] <bacarrdy> Hello, May be some one knows any tool to store with possibility to review traffic info like src, dst, port, proto? i`m using nfsen to collect from net devices, so want to do same, but for local interface and now i`m reading manuals and cant find collector for local interface for nfsen so i think it doesnt support it, so may be anyone can advice?
[23:41] <bigongst> bacarrdy - Sounds like a job for Wireshark perhaps.
[23:47] <orlock> 20.04 seems to be mussing some python modules for python 2
[23:49] <Munsko> orlock,  i think that python is in 3.6 or something like that
[23:50] <Munsko> maybe they are deprecated or dont hav emore support
[23:51] <orlock> Which seems weird, as apt-get install python automatically installs python2
[23:52] <Munsko> Well, i have python3 in my repositories
[23:52] <Munsko> The python2 is there too
[23:53] <Munsko> But looks like have less packages
[23:53] <Munsko> Try find if ur package is in pyhton 3
[23:54] <orlock> It is, but right now i'd rather just use  my working code, and the python 2-3 translator doesn't fix my serial issues
[23:55] <orlock> I'll just try pip
[23:56] <Munsko> Try search it on the ubuntu page
[23:56] <Munsko> Maybe you find the package
[23:56] <Munsko> And install it manually
[23:56] <Munsko> (use the official repository list)
[23:57] <Munsko> https://packages.ubuntu.com/
[23:58] <slyrus_> Why would I end up with two different nameserver/search sections in my /etc/resolv.conf file? One tells me that it is coming from resolvconf, and one from NetworkManager. Seems like I only need one or the other.
[23:59] <UNIm95> Hi. I found strange bug with video cards  in 20.04. If display is with Polaris|Oland video  card is set to primary, video card works in powersave mode.
[23:59] <UNIm95> Where and how i should report this bug?
[23:59] <Bashing-om> !bug | UNIm95


[15:22] <ScottK> ogra: Did you decide on arm v6 or v7 for Lucid, I don't recall and I can't find it written down.
[15:24] <JamieBennett> ScottK: v7
[15:25] <ScottK> JamieBennett: Thanks.
[16:31] <Martyn> on SMP, when an interrupt is generated (say, by a network card) .. does the interrupt get sent to every core.. or just a given core?   is the kernel interrupt handler running on only one core, or all cores?


[17:23] <pangolin> 30 minutes until IRC team meeting?
[17:49] <io> pangolin: 7
[18:00] <jussi> o/
[18:01] <nhandler> o/
[18:01] <Tm_T> o7
[18:01] <jussi> oh we have nhandler! excellent!
[18:02] <jussi> nhandler: since you are here, I'd say its about your turn to chair, wouldnt you agree?
[18:02] <pangolin> o/
[18:02] <topyli> o/
[18:03] <topyli> hi nhandler :)
[18:03] <ryanakca> o/
[18:03] <pangolin> hello everybody!
[18:03] <nhandler> jussi: I can chair, but it will take me a while to get to the post-meeting stuff
[18:03]  * pangolin hugs nhandler
[18:03] <pangolin> good to see you dude :)
[18:03] <jussi> nhandler: no probs, as long as its within about a week we should be good
[18:03] <topyli> nhandler: that's fine
[18:05] <jussi> nhandler: so, shall we get this show on the road ?
[18:05] <nhandler> #startmeeting Ubuntu IRC Team Meeting
[18:05] <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Oct 30 18:05:03 2011 UTC.  The chair is nhandler. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot.
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[18:05] <nhandler> #topic Review Bugs
[18:05] <jussi> Right, so we have a new bug
[18:06] <jussi> bug 883119
[18:06] <topyli> it's an effort to open up stuff and empower the team more
[18:07] <nhandler> My one concern would be that we will end up with long discussions for each task (sort of like the ML), making it harder to get stuff done
[18:07] <Seeker`> nhandler: surely you want input from people though?
[18:08] <topyli> it does require us to decide at some point that we have enough information and make a decision
[18:08] <nhandler> Seeker`: Input to an extent it good and constructive. However, it sometimes reaches the point of two many people trying to weigh in on an issue, making it hard to take any action
[18:09] <pangolin> The bug report says the point is to be more open. I would think that means more input as well.
[18:09] <Seeker`> nhandler: so having no input from the community, and no way of anyone outside the IRCC tracking progress on any IRCC issues is better?
[18:09] <jussi> yes, I think it encourages us to be decisive. However it also requires the community to play their part and accept the decisions that get made.
[18:10] <Seeker`> because in the past, when there hasn't been a public way of seeing that things are being done, the IRCC just sits on issues for 9 months
[18:10] <nhandler> Seeker`: There is a difference (and should be) between a bug for tracking a task and an open discussion for gathering feedback. We don't want the two to become too merged
[18:10] <topyli> when we discussed our need for an issue tracker originally, we opted against using launchpad just because some issues are sensitive. we now have our own tracker where the sensitive issues can be handled, so we could use launchpad for all the rest really
[18:10] <Seeker`> nhandler: why spread the information out futher than it needs to be?
[18:11] <topyli> nhandler: true, not everything is suitable to be handled as a bug
[18:12] <Seeker`> you could have a mailing list thread and a bug for each issue, but there isn't a particularly good for having two unrelated streams of conversation about the same topic, when the information about progress of the bug is mainly given through status changes, and discussion done though commenting
[18:12] <Seeker`> *particularly good reason
[18:12] <topyli> Seeker`: each lauchpad bug is automatically a "mailing list thread" for interested people already
[18:13] <Seeker`> topyli: I mean the comments section of the bug is fine for discussing the bug, why make a seperated only-related-by-name thread for discussion on the mailing list
[18:14] <topyli> there is a rationale for that too. archives are better in one place
[18:14] <Seeker`> which seemed to be what nhandler was saying
[18:14] <topyli> but still...
[18:15] <jussi> In any case, I think at least some of the bugs - many of the items that got sent to the ircc ML previously could have been bugs.
[18:15] <jussi> (on LP)
[18:15] <ikonia> can you give an example of a bug ?
[18:15] <ikonia> (or what would be used as a bug)
[18:15] <jussi> ikonia: No policy for shell providers in #ubuntu
[18:15] <jussi> for example
[18:16] <ikonia> so you're treating it as issues/action items
[18:16] <ikonia> just trying to fully differentiate the using the word bug
[18:16] <topyli> ikonia: pretty much. bug is just a word
[18:16] <ikonia> totally
[18:16] <ikonia> just checking that
[18:16] <ikonia> if you meant "bugs" or "the word bug"
[18:17] <nhandler> Yes. (Which is in a sense hwhat most items discussed in meetings and on the ML are)
[18:18] <nhandler> So it looks like we tend to agree that using LP is fine for most of the tasks. We just aren't quite sure on the full details
[18:18] <Tm_T> +1 from me too about using LP for the tasks/issues
[18:18] <pangolin> +1
[18:18] <topyli> i'd use the launchpad bug i created to test if making decisions that way works. meta! :)
[18:18] <nhandler> It might be useful to trial this with a bug or two and sort out the details based on a bit of trial/error
[18:19] <topyli> nhandler: agreed
[18:19] <jussi> nhandler: yeah, trial and error through this one.
[18:20] <nhandler> #agree Perform some trial/error of using LP to track some tasks to determine the details of how this will work
[18:20] <jussi> nhandler: +d
[18:20] <nhandler> Hmm...Wiki says #agree is an alias ;)
[18:20] <nhandler> #agreed Perform some trial/error of using LP to track some tasks to determine the details of how this will work
[18:20] <topyli> we can move an issue or two more there for testing when something suitable comes along
[18:21] <pangolin> the bot is not super verbose
[18:21] <nhandler> +1 topyli
[18:21] <pangolin> you might not see anything from it but it did pick it up
[18:21] <jussi> For all those attending, if you have a bug, let have it! :)
[18:22] <nhandler> #topic Review Last Meeting Action Items
[18:22] <ikonia> ok - I have a query regarding the bug ?
[18:22] <topyli> report bugs against ubuntu-community and assign to ubuntu-irc council, no?
[18:22] <ikonia> I agree and think it's a great think to have a public tracking tool like launchpad
[18:22] <jussi> ikonia: I was going to report the FB bug, but feel free to if you want.
[18:22] <ikonia> I'm pleased
[18:22] <ikonia> however - query, will the bugs be looked at and addressed or will they just be ignored
[18:22] <jussi> ikonia: we go through them every meeting, so I hope so.
[18:22] <nhandler> ikonia: They will get reviewed at the start of each meeting (fixed action item)
[18:22] <ikonia> eg: if I put a comment on there - is it going to be taken on board or will it just be ifnored
[18:23] <ikonia> jussi: with respect, that's currenlty not happening
[18:23] <jussi> (like we are doing now)
[18:23] <ikonia> I just want to know if it's worth my effort to do work with them, or not
[18:23] <topyli> i think we'll also get mail when new bugs are assigned to us
[18:23] <ikonia> being honest - not trying to be a pain
[18:23] <jussi> ikonia: We will look at them.
[18:23] <nhandler> ikonia: We might not publically discuss each and every comment, but they will be read (and the bug will be discussed)
[18:23] <ikonia> topyli: again - with respect, mail does not work well with the council
[18:23] <Seeker`> jussi: are the currently any bugs filed on the private IRCC tracker?
[18:23] <topyli> ikonia: mail works, reply time varies :(
[18:23] <jussi> Seeker`: only the one open one I just mentioned
[18:24] <ikonia> nhandler: no, I don't expect a public discussion on them, but I expect feedback as to what's being going on
[18:24] <ikonia> the lubuntu ops issue is a real cause for concern and I see no feedback or involvement coming back on that
[18:24] <Seeker`> jussi: sorry, whichwas that?
[18:25] <jussi> Seeker`: floodbots not being open. Theres also the lubuntu issue pending, but thats not actually in the tracker last time I looked, Its on the ML.
[18:25] <ikonia> so if I was to log a bug around that, I want to know if I put options on there they will be on the agenda, or if they will just be ignored, as is current
[18:25] <Seeker`> so nhandler progressed the meeting prematurely?
[18:25] <ikonia> jussi: I will raise the floodbot bug
[18:25] <topyli> ikonia: we'll announce a call for #lubuntu-* ops soon enough. it's not the most urgent thing, they're doing fine afaik
[18:25] <ikonia> topyli: did you hear what the concerns are ?
[18:25] <Seeker`> jussi: also, how long has the floodbot issue been on the private tracker?
[18:26] <ikonia> why as there been no feedback to the concerns
[18:26] <topyli> should be done so they can fully integrate with the team
[18:26] <ikonia> what is the point of raising these concerns if it's just ignored
[18:26] <topyli> ikonia: yes i have heard the concerns
[18:26] <ikonia> this is the issue I'm raising as part of the bug tracker
[18:26] <ikonia> what is the point of raising a bug if it's ignord
[18:26] <ikonia> ignored
[18:26] <topyli> no point in rising such a bug
[18:26] <ikonia> (I am using that issue as an example, not the be-all-end-all)
[18:26] <ikonia> right - so thank you, raising bugs is pointless
[18:27] <nhandler> See	I have a bit of lag, and ikonia raised a new point as I changed the topic ;)
[18:27] <ikonia> glad that's confirmed
[18:27] <topyli> hard to say beforehand what is going to be fixed and what will be "wontfixed", better just file the bug anyway
[18:27] <ikonia> no, sorry
[18:27] <ikonia> won't fix is the same as not-hearing-taking-action
[18:27] <ikonia> which is where we currently are
[18:27] <ikonia> so it's another pointless process
[18:27] <jussi> ikonia: the fact is, they are public, everyone, including the CC can see if the job is being done. If its not, I assume you, the other ops and eventually the CC will be on our backs.
[18:27] <ikonia> instead of ignoring issues, you can just mark them as "won't fix"
[18:27] <ikonia> jussi: clearly not
[18:28] <Seeker`> jussi: how long has the floodbot issue been on the private tracker?
[18:28] <jussi> Seeker`: not that long, why ?
[18:28] <Seeker`> can you give a date?
[18:29] <pangolin> going to guess since they were first started
[18:29] <topyli> 19th this month, Seeker`
[18:29] <pangolin> but I don't see why the floodbots need to be open
[18:29] <ikonia> pangolin: they don't
[18:30] <pangolin> So what is the issue with them?
[18:30] <topyli> the problem is they're dependent on one person
[18:30] <Seeker`> How on earth can the IRCC claim to be effective if its own members don't even know what has been raised as a bug or not?
[18:30] <ikonia> pangolin: I'll raise the bug - and you can view it all in detail there
[18:30] <topyli> Seeker`: where did that come from?
[18:31] <topyli> ikonia: you did it before, you can do it again :)
[18:31] <pangolin> Can we please try to get through one discussion at a time.
[18:31] <Seeker`> I refer you to topyli's email to the irc list on the 28th october: 'I'm aware of the floodbots ownership and implementation being less
[18:31] <Seeker`> than optimal, but I was not aware it has been raised as an issue.
[18:31] <jussi> right, so how about the next bug
[18:31] <Seeker`> Hopefully, we can liberate the bots someday.'
[18:31] <topyli> Seeker`: right. i hadn't looked at it
[18:31] <ikonia> topyli: did what ?
[18:32] <Seeker`> 9 days after it appeared on the IRCC issue tracker, topyli still wasn't aware of it
[18:32] <topyli> "the ircc" was aware, i wasn't
[18:32] <ikonia> (sorry if I've lost track)
[18:32] <jussi> can we move on to bug 788503 ?
[18:32] <ikonia> jussi: why ?
[18:32] <ikonia> jussi: why are we moving on in the middle of a discussion
[18:32] <topyli> Seeker`: we don't all have to be on every issue, and i specifically do not deal with technical stuff
[18:32] <Seeker`> topyli: there is currently only one issue on the private tracker.
[18:32] <topyli> i know
[18:33] <Seeker`> so how can you not be aware of the single bug that has been filed. To ignore it you must have at least looked to see if there was anything there, to know it was technical.
[18:33] <Seeker`> and then you'd be aware that it was filed
[18:34] <topyli> i've probably seen it and ignored as it's not my "department"
[18:34] <jussi> Seeker`: that issue is something that is my peice, and I know topyli was aware of it, Im almost certain he has just forgotten.
[18:34] <topyli> if you want to press me personally about that, let's do it after the meeting
[18:34] <Tm_T> I agree with topyli on that
[18:35] <Tm_T> (we have only certain amount of time for the meeting)
[18:35] <Seeker`> members of the IRCC should at least be aware of the issues raised against the IRCC, even if they aren't actively part of dealing with it. Its not that big a job to remember the entire 1 issue.
[18:36] <topyli> jussi and i finally did have a look at m4v's guidelines draft, and while it still needs a little love, it's a great step forward
[18:36] <topyli> it does a good job removing the #ubuntu-centric pieces of the guidelines and makes them more useful. i'm sure well have a good draft for team review soon
[18:37] <ikonia> has the topic just changed ?
[18:37] <nhandler> ikonia: We moved on to the other open bug
[18:37] <jussi> We have an etherpad open with it on - you can take a look yourselves and "chat" there about suggestions etc for it: http://notes.kde.org/ubuntuguidelines
[18:38] <topyli> even jussi's etherpad is kde :(
[18:38] <jussi> hehe
[18:39] <nhandler> Thanks for the great work topyli and jussi
[18:39] <jussi> SO hopefully we can have this draft finished for voting on by the next meeting - I hope that many of you can get over there and chip in
[18:39] <nhandler> Anything else to say about this issue for now?
[18:40] <jussi> nhandler: nothing except hopefully most people will have a look and input
[18:40] <ikonia> I didn't even know it was being re-written
[18:40] <nhandler> Alright, so *really* moving on to old actions
[18:40] <jussi> ikonia: bugs been open for a while :)
[18:40] <nhandler> I only see one action
[18:40] <topyli> ikonia: it's a bug on launchpad :)
[18:41] <nhandler> This is the one about the #lubuntu ops list
[18:41] <nhandler> topyli: Want to give a brief update?
[18:42] <jussi> right, lubuntu ops list. Ive created the LP groups, topyli has been liasing a bit with the lubuntu people.
[18:42] <topyli> well, the lubuntu folks hoped for a post-release breathing space, but we should issue a call for ops on the lubuntu channels
[18:42] <ikonia> topyli: if this going to be a genuine selection process, or rubberstamping to tick boxes ?
[18:42] <topyli> hopefully many the existing ops will re-apply and maybe we'll get more even
[18:43] <topyli> ikonia: just like any other call for ops
[18:43] <ikonia> topyli: great, so it's going through the standard process ?
[18:43] <jussi> yes
[18:43] <ikonia> excellent
[18:43] <topyli> yeah
[18:44] <pangolin> How do the current lubuntu ops feel about having to re-apply for ops?
[18:44] <jussi> pangolin: we had reaction for that last time, at least some of them are ok with that, and expect it.
[18:44] <pangolin> I mean what is the general feedback you got from them if any?
[18:45] <topyli> variably, to be honest. but that's to be expected. however, it's hot a huge effort especially if you're already a well respected op on a channel
[18:45] <topyli> s/hot/not/
[18:45]  * knome giggles
[18:45] <Seeker`> why do they have to reapply?
[18:46] <jussi> Seeker`: read the logs from last ircc meeting :)
[18:46] <Tm_T> long and complicated story so ^
[18:46] <Seeker`> dothe people that will be assessing them for membership actually know the lubuntu ops?
[18:47] <pangolin> My concern is that perhaps a currently respected op might not get approved and that will/could alienate some of the lubuntu people.
[18:47] <topyli> these people are the ircc, and they will have to consult the lubuntu team
[18:48] <ikonia> if it's the standard process, you can feedback when the public call is given
[18:48] <topyli> pangolin: that's a valid concern
[18:48] <Seeker`> unless the ircc have spent a significant amount of time interacting / watching the ops, are they 'qualified' to make judgement to who should/shouldn't be an op. The lubuntu team has clearly chosen their current ops for a reason
[18:48] <nhandler> Seeker`: And they are able to provide feedback.
[18:48] <topyli> Seeker`: the ircc is qualified for choosing ops for the ubuntu channels, yes
[18:49] <Seeker`> but surely the lubuntu team feel that their current ops are suitable ops, or they wouldn't have chosen them
[18:49] <jussi> Seeker`: I think we have been through this pretty well at the last meeting.
[18:49] <Seeker`> topyli: I would expect the ircc to be active in channels under their remit enough to know likely candidates for ops, and therefore have enough information about individuals to make a balanced judgement about their suitabiliy for ops
[18:50] <topyli> Seeker`: impossible
[18:50] <topyli> which is why we have open calls for operators
[18:51] <Seeker`> how can you know whether someone is suitable to be an op without actually seeing them active in channels?
[18:51] <pangolin> bioterror: You have any input on the issue?
[18:51] <topyli> Seeker`: magic, logs, and asking around
[18:51] <pangolin> by asking other ops what they think
[18:51] <Seeker`> (that applies in general, not just to lubuntu ops it would seem)
[18:52] <nhandler> Seeker`: We do look over some logs, we See	We look over logs, talk to other people in the channel, and use our personall exeperiences of interacting with the people to make decisions (among other factors)
[18:52] <bioterror> I noticed we have some operators there on the lists, that has never gained the status from chanserv, so hard to say how they act when the situation requires some actions
[18:52] <topyli> Seeker`: you probably should have been around when the current operator approval process was (very carefully) discussed and decided
[18:52] <Myrtti> pardon me for being ignorant
[18:52] <Myrtti> but how can an op not have gained the operator status from chanserv, bioterror
[18:53] <jussi> Myrtti: ie. added to the ops list but never used it
[18:53] <Myrtti> sorry, but just asking to get a clear picture
[18:53] <bioterror> yeah, never used them
[18:53] <Myrtti> right
[18:53] <bioterror> but as you've seen, we hardly have need for it ;)
[18:53] <bioterror> we've been lucky, so far
[18:54] <Seeker`> topyli: sadly, I can't be on irc 24/7, due to real life issues. Which is why I haven't applied for any leadership positions.
[18:55] <topyli> right
[18:55] <nhandler> Alright, we are about out of time. I don't see any items on the agenda, but are there any other quick items we should discuss?
[18:56] <Seeker`> didn't jussi want to bring up his mailing list idea?
[18:56] <jussi> Seeker`: I will let it be discussed and thought about till next meeting - its not an urgent item
[18:56] <topyli> Myrtti also had an idea worth thinking about, but i think both can continue on the ML for now
[18:56] <ikonia> I have a quick one as nhandler and tsimpson are here
[18:57] <ikonia> is the council going to be returned to a 5 man team shortly ?
[18:57] <topyli> good question :)
[18:57] <Myrtti> ikonia: tsimpson isn't
[18:57] <ikonia> sorry, I thought I saw him earlier
[18:57] <nhandler> ikonia: I might not be around on IRC much, but I am following all mailing list discussions, bugs, and checking up on IRC.
[18:58] <jussi> ikonia: yes, because both those members terms finish next month
[18:58] <ikonia> nhandler: ok - so you are saying your %100 active/effective
[18:58] <ikonia> jussi: that doesn't mean they can't re-join for another 2 years
[18:58] <ikonia> (or shouldn't)
[18:58] <Myrtti> s/re-join/nominate themselves/
[18:59] <pangolin> I can't wait to see who nominates themselves for the IRCC next election
[18:59] <nhandler> ikonia: No, I am not as active as I was (due to some other obligations), but I am still around and completing my actions.
[18:59] <ikonia> nhandler: sorry, bad wording, you're still effective
[18:59] <nhandler> And yes, I am keeping that in mind with my term coming to an end
[18:59] <ikonia> nhandler: and it's not a critisism, but there is a perception that we have been 2 men down for some time
[18:59] <ikonia> it seems a reasonable question to ask
[18:59] <Seeker`> nhandler: how many irc meetings have you been present at in the last, say, 2 months?
[19:00] <nhandler> Seeker`: I can't make one meeting per month due to timezones. I've missed maybe 1 meeting that I can normally attend
[19:00] <nhandler> And I think I am going to end the meeting now, we can discuss this stuff later if desired
[19:00] <nhandler> Thanks for coming everyone
[19:00] <nhandler> #endmeeting
[19:00] <meetingology> Meeting ended Sun Oct 30 19:00:49 2011 UTC.
[19:00] <meetingology> Minutes:        http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/ubuntu-meeting.2011-10-30-18.05.moin.txt
[19:01] <topyli> thanks everyone
[19:01] <pangolin> thank you.
[19:02] <jussi> thanks! see you all next time and lets see those bugs if you havem, as well as contributions and suggestions to the netherpad.


[00:20] <Eickmeyer> @RikMills: I believe I may have figured out what's going on, and it comes back to polkitd-pkla. libkpmcore12 is required by partitionmanager, which installs /usr/share/polkit1/actions/org.kde.kpmcore.externalcommand.policy, and is one of those old pkla files.


[23:52] <DanaG> " I believe this is unfortunately "Won't Fix", the new policykit doesn't have the concept of remembering the authorizations."
[23:52] <DanaG> Nice job breaking things, Upstream!
[23:52] <ubuntuLover> night everyone
[23:52]  * DanaG slaps Upstream with an eSATA cable.
[23:52] <Ian_Corne> hehe DanaG
[23:53] <bjsnider> DanaG, is the esata mount policy different from usb drives?
[23:53] <DanaG> Yeah, it's considered internal.
[23:54] <bjsnider> that's the problem
[23:54] <DanaG> Well, it wouldn't be so bad if they hadn't removed "remember authorization".
[23:54] <mesula> I want Ubuntu to get better, not get worse.
[23:54] <DanaG> Or if at the very least, it didn't ERROR OUT on one while waiting for the other!
[23:54] <mzz> "considered internal" would be fixable through a .fdi file in a hal-based world
[23:55] <mzz> I haven't had to look up what the devicekit-disks equiv is
[23:55] <DanaG> That is, if you make two requests at once, it prompts for one and refuses the other!
[23:55] <DanaG> What it should do: QUEUE THEM!
[23:55] <DanaG> Grrr!
[23:55] <bjsnider> DanaG, but if it behaved like a usb hdd it would be fine with you, right?
[23:55] <DanaG> Yeah.
[23:55] <mzz> oh, speaking of queueing
[23:55] <mzz> I should probably file a bug on what happens if you hit the acpi power button while the screen is locked
[23:56] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/+bug/153768
[23:56] <jessture1> can anyone tell me where to look to fix the volume on-screen-display when im watching youtube or other flash video on fullscreen?
[23:56] <wgrant> What happens if you hit the acpi power button while the screen is locked?
[23:57] <mzz> wgrant: well, if I hit that button while I'm in gnome I get a "shut down the computer" dialog, with a 60 seconds timeout until it shuts down automatically.
[23:57] <wgrant> mzz: Ah. Convenient.
[23:57] <bjsnider> DanaG, i just think we should be trying to remove all of the password prompts that aren't necessary
[23:57] <mzz> wgrant: if I hit the power button while the screen is locked (including after a resume from hibernate) I get that same dialog, but it's invisible (behind the black locked screen screen) and counting down.
[23:57] <DanaG> Removal of "remember me" is annoying.
[23:58] <mzz> wgrant: I'm not sure what should happen, but an invisibly counting down dialog is probably not it
[23:58] <wgrant> mzz: Probably not, no.
[23:58] <mzz> (if it's going to invisibly count down at least have it hibernate, not poweroff)
[23:59]  * mzz wonders what app displays that thing anyway. gnome-session?
[23:59] <wgrant> Probably.
[23:59] <wgrant> I don't think it would be indicator-session
[23:59] <wgrant> But you never know what crazy stuff DX has decided to do today...