[12:18] <Laser_away> nixternal: ping?
[12:18] <nixternal> pongers
[12:21] <nixternal> hmmm
[12:21] <nixternal> PONG?
[12:21] <nixternal> hehe
[12:21] <Laser_away> nixternal: we got a couple things in Edubuntu
[12:21] <Laser_away> nixternal: gee whizz, gimme a sec
[12:21] <nixternal> cool..im workin' on edubuntu and looking through the list now
[12:21] <nixternal> we need to get all this into the Fridge somehow!
[12:22] <nixternal> doing the UWN from scratch is nuts..plus nobody is contributing to the other pages what so ever
[12:22] <Laser_away> nixternal: Edubuntu has 2 newish Canonical employees and a new Artist-in-Chief
[12:22] <nixternal> yup
[12:22] <nixternal> and RichEd
[12:22] <nixternal> ;)
[12:23] <Laser_away> RichEd, rodarvus, and AliasVegas
[12:24] <Laser_away> nixternal: do you have a rough draft of UWN?
[12:25] <nixternal> it is on the site now
[12:25] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter
[12:25] <nixternal> #8
[12:25] <nixternal> im working in kwrite and copying over
[12:26] <nixternal> i hate working with ff and the wiki..as sometime switching from window to window results in data loss for me
[12:27] <nixternal> Laser_away: do you have any announcements for rodarvus and AliasVegas?
[12:27] <Laser_away> hmm, not really
[12:27] <Laser_away> it was all in Edubuntu meetings
[12:28] <nixternal> ok, RichEd is Canonical...who else was Canonical and who is the new AIC
[12:29] <crimsun> rodarvus, the new X maintainer.
[12:29] <crimsun> by process of elimination the latter's obvious :]
[12:29] <Laser_away> AIC is AliasVegas who did the Edubuntu "homies" wallpaper
[12:29] <nixternal> Rodrigo Novo is the new X maintainer for Edubuntu, is he Canonical or volunteer?
[12:29] <Laser_away> Canonical
[12:29] <nixternal> roger that
[12:29] <Laser_away> and he is X maintainer and Edubuntu Technical lead
[12:31] <Laser_away> nixternal: do you also want "New Apps in Edgy" for Edubuntu?
[12:32] <nixternal> sure
[12:43] <nixternal> ?
[12:43] <Laser_away> hang on, I'm scanning edgy-changes ;-)
[12:44] <nixternal> lol
[12:44] <nixternal> just the big ones really..no need for more then 5 i would think
[12:44] <crimsun> willow*
[12:45] <Laser_away> willowng (new content filter for SoC project), KDE Edu (3.5.3), LTSP
[12:45] <nixternal> pony
[12:45] <Laser_away> opps, KDE Edu 3.5.4
[12:45] <crimsun> perhaps also mention the pygtk "version of kalzium"
[12:46] <Laser_away> hehe, the one that isn't done and only started a couple days ago?
[12:46] <Laser_away> ;-)
[12:46] <Laser_away> but yeah
[12:46] <Laser_away> that would be a cool, work in progress kinda thing
[12:47] <Laser_away> it's tentatively called gallium
[12:48] <nixternal> speaking of Edubuntu, i am setting up a couple new systems... my neice & nephew got a free gateway computer...and it needs rebuilding...they are getting Edubuntu...and my daughter, I bought her a brand new laptop this week and installed Edubuntu on it for her
[12:48] <Laser_away> apparently therecool
[12:48] <nixternal> she got a new laptop, and im still using a celeron 700 ;(
[12:48] <Laser_away> darn it
[12:48] <Laser_away> I need to just go away
[12:49] <nixternal> haha
[12:49] <Laser_away> my typing stinks today
[12:49] <Laser_away> crimsun: how bad is it if there is another Linux project with the same name?
[12:49] <crimsun> name collisions are frowned upon.
[12:50] <crimsun> the later project generally respects the original's.
[12:50] <Laser_away> stink
[12:50] <crimsun> why?
[12:50] <Laser_away> it's a Carbon emulator for X
[12:50] <Laser_away> http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/gallium/
[12:51] <Laser_away> I really like gallium for our pygtk periodic table project
[12:51] <crimsun> it's very easily renamed to gallium-chem.
[12:51] <crimsun> or gallium-periodic
[12:51] <crimsun> or ...
[12:52] <Laser_away> hmm
[01:00] <nixternal> UWN is missing stuff for "Ubuntu" now and thats about it...any takers?  or at least point me to something that should be added ;)
[01:00] <Burgundavia> nixternal: new packages? beaglefs just got uploaded. Have you covered the telepathy stuff? what about the galago stuff?
[01:01] <Burgundavia> the security thing?
[01:01] <nixternal> i haven't gotten anything for Ubuntu yet
[01:01] <nixternal> just Kubuntu, Xubuntu and Edubuntu
[01:01] <Burgundavia> the ubuntu will destroy redhat and retort
[01:01] <nixternal> plus some "Community News"
[01:01] <Burgundavia> nixternal: those are ideaas
[01:01] <nixternal> beaglefs for dapper or edgy?
[01:02] <nixternal> has OOo 2.0.3 been released yet?
[01:02] <nixternal> i see it is uploaded for Dapper
[01:02] <Burgundavia> edgy and no
[01:02] <nixternal> k
[01:02] <Burgundavia> ah, the upcoming .1 release
[01:11] <Laser_away> nixternal: for KDE-edu s/Educational/Edutainment/
[01:11] <nixternal> ahhh..gotcha
[01:11] <nixternal> i swear KDE.org says educational, but i do remember edutainment ;)
[01:12] <Laser_away> nixternal: also maybe LTSP 0.93 rather than just LTSP as LTSP itself isn't a new app
[01:13] <Laser_away> it's just that there has been a lot of cool work on it lately by ogra
[01:13] <nixternal> gotcha
[01:13] <Laser_away> anyway, I gotta go back away (working on putting in sprinkler system in back yard)
[01:14] <nixternal> fun
[01:14] <nixternal> lord knows you need to water all that sand in nevada ;)
[01:15] <Burgundavia> nixternal: do you need someone to write up those ideas?
[01:15] <nixternal> i think i got it Burgundavia, but if you want ;)
[01:16] <Burgundavia> nixternal: I am working on my room, being a giant disaster, but I can put a little in. Writing happening on the wiki?
[01:16] <nixternal> gonna work on it here in a sec ;)
[01:16] <nixternal> i got it Burgundavia, i just needed topics, i can come up with some filler...i am putting it up for review prior to release anyways ;)
[01:17] <Burgundavia> ok, I will dig into it later then
[01:18] <Burgundavia> nixternal: have you run your classroom thingy?
[01:18] <nixternal> ya, did that today
[01:18] <Burgundavia> how did it go?
[01:18] <nixternal> actually a heck of a lot better than i ever expected
[01:18] <Burgundavia> how about writing up a quick thing on that?
[01:18] <nixternal> 90+
[01:18] <nixternal> i already got that in there
[01:18] <nixternal> got the "Classroom" and the "MOTU School" in there
[01:19] <nixternal> i think it is good for general news...just needed some Ubuntu specifics
[01:21] <nixternal> galago new to edgy?
[01:22] <nixternal> i have no idea what song/metal thrash i listened to, but i feel like jumping off the sears tower now ;)
[01:22] <crimsun> yes
[01:22] <nixternal> yes i should jump, or yes to galago new to edgy?
[01:23] <Burgundavia> yes to the latter, we prefer if you stay alive
[01:23] <Burgundavia> less work for us ;)
[01:23] <nixternal> haha
[01:23] <nixternal> gee thanks ;)
[01:26] <crimsun> (worst Alan Jackson ever, btw)
[01:26] <nixternal> what?
[01:26] <nixternal> hahaha
[01:26] <nixternal> arg, is my stupid kopete sending stuff again?
[01:26] <crimsun> yes.
[01:26] <nixternal> rofl
[01:27] <nixternal> i thought that was a coincidence for a second
[01:33] <Burgundavia> nixternal: what is your timetable for UWN?
[01:33] <nixternal> less than an hour before it needs proofing
[01:33] <nixternal> im finishing up some minor details
[01:33] <nixternal> thank god for Riddell on this one!!!
[01:34] <nixternal> he did 90% of it prior...im just adding some Ubuntu, Edubuntu, and Xubuntu related stuff...he covered Kubuntu..plus a couple "Press Releases"
[01:34] <Burgundavia> ok
[01:34] <Burgundavia> I will flesh out some stuff when you are done
[01:35] <nixternal> thanks!
[01:37] <Plug> Do third party things qualify for mention?
[01:38] <Plug> f.ex a couple of people have been working on new menus, one a port of the SLED slab, one inspired by it
[01:38] <nixternal> depends on whether it is Ubuntu or not ;)
[01:38] <Plug> It's Ubuntu, but it's from forums/in other peoples repositories
[01:38] <Plug> although
[01:38] <Plug> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-slab
[01:39] <nixternal> Burgundavia: i am saving now, you are free to attack it when you are ready
[01:41] <nixternal> sweet, Viper is rocking on slab...i hadn't realized just how much he had completed!
[01:45] <Plug> mentioned Skype with ALSA being available yet?  That was a while ago
[01:46] <Burgundavia> Plug: not really relevant to the ubuntu weekly news
[01:48] <Plug> fair enough
[01:50] <Burgundavia> when it is in the canonical repos, yep
[01:57] <Burgundavia> nixternal: please check the new apps section now
[01:58] <nixternal> good deal..thanks!
[01:59] <Burgundavia> that was just the beginning
[02:23] <Burgundavia> nixternal: hmm, this is more challengin than expected
[02:23] <nixternal> lol
[02:23] <Burgundavia> there is a fair amount that needs to be done to make this better
[02:23] <nixternal> im watching the ubuntu video of mark and mako in brazil at debconf
[02:24] <Burgundavia> that must be old
[02:24] <nixternal> hehe ya
[02:24] <Burgundavia> hmm, In this Issue should list all the major headings, yet is doesn't
[02:24] <nixternal> are you enjoying the UWN?
[02:25] <Burgundavia> is that rhetorical?
[02:25] <nixternal> #7, i got bitched at for having to much info, and then people saying good job...all i can say, is it is impossible to get it "right"
[02:25] <Burgundavia> you got bitched at for being too big?
[02:28] <nixternal> ya
[02:28] <Burgundavia> right
[02:28] <Burgundavia> who said that?
[02:29] <nixternal> lets see..the complaints were:  "to much info", "unprofessional", and such
[02:29] <nixternal> arg...gotta take care of the stinkin' doorbell
[02:29] <nixternal> brb
[02:30] <Burgundavia> right
[02:33] <nixternal> alrighty
[02:33] <nixternal> food has arrived ;)
[02:34] <nixternal> i think for the UWN to continue...we need 4 things..and we have 1 already, and that is Riddell, as he always gets the Kubuntu stuff in there correctly.
[02:34] <nixternal> but it would be nice to get Ubuntu dev/leader, Edubuntu dev/leader, and Xubuntu dev/leader to submit their stuff.
[02:35] <nixternal> this makes the UWN easy to do and get out quicker
[02:35] <nixternal> all someone has to do is go through, add some community news, proof it, and send it iout
[02:35] <nixternal> or...
[02:36] <nixternal> create a UWN mailing list, and have people submit news...oh wait, we have that..it is the fridge ;)
[02:36] <Burgundavia> I am adding some stuff, will do some editing
[02:37] <Burgundavia> just added a section on soc
[02:38] <nixternal> ya, SoC has been quiet recently...good to get some news out for them
[02:38] <nixternal> im gonna grab some food..i will bbiaf
[02:47] <Burgundavia> nixternal: I am going to merge all the latest packages information into one
[02:51] <nixternal> rock with it!
[02:53] <Burgundavia> how do I force a newline without using *?
[02:54] <nixternal> enter
[02:54] <nixternal> i don't know of a <br> like tag
[02:59] <nixternal> arg..manicka left...do we need "Author's Permission" when transfering from UDSF to Wiki?
[03:00] <Burgundavia> no, because their stuff is under a liberal license
[03:00] <nixternal> cool
[03:00] <nixternal> i can wipe some of them out tonight then
[03:18] <Burgundavia> nixternal: take a peek now, I think I am done
[03:18] <nixternal> manicka: i will probably go through and do some of the UDSF transfers tonight, as long as I don't need author's permission...i may seek permission for forum stuff on a couple however
[03:18] <nixternal> roger that Burgundavia ;)
[03:19] <nixternal> NICE !!!
[03:19] <nixternal> i really like the top layout so far with the "Educating" and "SoC" headlines
[03:19] <manicka> nixternal, mdke wants original author's permission on all pages
[03:20] <manicka> UDSf pages are forum pages effectively
[03:20] <nixternal> alrighty then
[03:20] <nixternal> i will grab a couple of pages and seek permission then if that is alright
[03:20] <manicka> go right ahead :)
[03:22] <nixternal> cool...on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/forum/import   should there be a column for the person working on it so it doesn't get worked on by more then 1 person?
[03:22] <Burgundavia> nixternal: I think we should get another pair of eyes on it and then I think we can go live
[03:22] <nixternal> crimsun: wake up and start reading ;)
[03:22] <crimsun> I'm at work, dude.
[03:22] <nixternal> Burgundavia:  crimsun did it in the past..since he is a professor and all ;)
[03:22] <nixternal> hahahaha
[03:23] <Burgundavia> crimsun: I do Ubuntu stuff at work and so can you ;)
[03:23] <nixternal> hehe
[03:23] <crimsun> Burgundavia: all of my Ubuntu work has been done "at work".
[03:23] <Burgundavia> *grin*
[03:23] <crimsun> I just pull these 23-hr days and junk.
[03:24] <manicka> my thought was that you would indicate that you have sought permission, then indicate when you have it. Perhaps a column indicating that you will wikify it is a good idea
[03:24] <nixternal> hehe || Wikifier ||
[03:24] <manicka> or maybe you could notate that in one of the other columns
[03:24] <manicka> the first one perhaps
[03:25] <manicka> whatever, either way works for me
[03:25] <nixternal> cool
[03:26] <nixternal> maybe an extra column isn't a good idea, since it runs off the page at 1024x768
[03:26] <manicka> ok
[03:26] <nixternal> maybe i can give it some table love though with some tips 'n' tricks moinmoin style
[03:26] <manicka> sounds good :)
[03:27] <nixternal> i will figure it out ;)
[03:27] <nixternal> i think better half asleep anyways..so i still have a few hours to go b4 that kicks in
[03:27] <manicka> my moin moin is pretty basic at the moment, more of a mediawiki guy
[03:28] <nixternal> mediawiki was on CNN or MSNBC today
[03:28] <nixternal> i can't remember
[03:28] <nixternal> it is the largest CMS/Wiki system, and the most popular they say
[03:28] <nixternal> however, i have only used moinmoin
[03:29] <nixternal> i take that back..i have used mediawiki, for LUG
[03:29] <manicka> I've used it a lot in my former life as a UDSF maintainer
[03:29] <nixternal> Burgundavia: i made sure though that KDE finally got an App added in the Feature of the week
[03:29] <nixternal> however, maybe a little repository info should be added to it as well
[03:30] <manicka> you'll see my name as the archiver on many UDSf pages
[03:30] <nixternal> i have already
[03:30] <nixternal> looks like you have been busy
[03:31] <manicka> *were... past tense
[03:31] <nixternal> so UDSF = done?
[03:31] <manicka> long story, but I no longer participate there
[03:31] <nixternal> ahhh
[03:31] <manicka> UDSf is and will be an ongoing effort
[03:31] <crimsun> nixternal: do you have a URL for me?
[03:31] <nixternal> i remember reading over conversations between you and mdke here
[03:32] <nixternal> of course crimsun
[03:32] <Burgundavia> nixternal: you mean in universe/main/etc.?
[03:32] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue8
[03:32] <nixternal> ya Burgundavia, so they know they need the repos in order to install it
[03:32] <Burgundavia> ok, go nuts
[03:32] <Burgundavia> not editing right now, eating dinner
[03:32] <nixternal> i will hit it after crimsun tears it apart
[03:32] <manicka> it's all worked out well in the long run. I've wanted to get this something like this happening for a long time
[03:33] <nixternal> ya, it would be nice to get every piece of docs in one location and make it easy to search/locate it
[03:34] <manicka> agreed :)
[03:35] <manicka> that list contains every suitable page (that I could see) form the UDSF Dapper section and other forum threads that they have targeted for future wikifying
[03:36] <nixternal> it is a good list, and im sure it will continue to grow
[03:50] <nixternal> || Nominated UDSF Page or Forum Thread || Permission || Wikifier || New Page ||
[03:51] <nixternal> || http://blah blah blah.com || Yes or No || RichJohnson || WikiPage ||
[03:51] <nixternal> that is an option
[03:52] <nixternal> actually...i like the way it is with the "Permission Sought" and "Obtained"..that way there we can display whether the author approved it or not
[03:52] <nixternal> i think that is important to see
[03:57] <Burgundavia> crimsun: you still digging away there?
[03:57] <crimsun> yes
[04:11] <crimsun> ok, proofed
[04:11] <crimsun> please make sure you spell Riddell's first name correctly!
[04:12] <crimsun> (correct it if it's incorrect; I only adjusted for inconsistency)
[04:12] <crimsun> ->work
[04:12] <nixternal> heh
[04:12] <nixternal> Jonathan...
[04:15] <nixternal> hey guess what
[04:15] <nixternal> Ice Cream Time!!!
[04:31] <Burgundavia> nixternal: UWN is currently yours
[04:32] <nixternal> woohoo
[04:32] <nixternal> i will add some finishing touches to the "kdict" feature and get it out
[04:32] <nixternal> however, i can't post to the news list at all
[04:32] <nixternal> so i will post it on every other mailing list, as well as get it up on the fridge asap
[04:34] <Burgundavia> nixternal: you can't post on news?
[04:34] <Burgundavia> I can moderate that
[04:35] <nixternal> no i can't
[04:35] <nixternal> i can post on the fridge though ;)
[04:35] <Burgundavia> post anyway I will moderate it through
[04:36] <nixternal> ok
[04:46] <nixternal> sent!
[04:58] <nixternal> good deal Burgundavia, another UWN done and out of th way
[04:58] <Burgundavia> nixternal: shall we start into a Knot2 report, ala mgalvin?
[04:58] <nixternal> lol...i just got a UWN email from the newslist, and it is weird
[04:58] <Burgundavia> you would, but it appears my moderator password is not working
[04:58] <nixternal> well, i have the kubuntu ones i have been working on..actually just knot 1 so far
[04:59] <nixternal> hiya rob
[04:59] <nixternal> From:
[04:59] <nixternal> "JiaBin Huang"<EMAIL_ADDRESS>[04:59] <rob> hi nixternal
[04:59] <nixternal>
[04:59] <nixternal> Thanks.
[04:59] <nixternal> that is the email ;)
[04:59] <nixternal> how did that get on the list
[05:00] <nixternal> i haven't even gotten the bounce message yet, letting me know it is waiting for moderation
[05:02] <nixternal> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue8
[05:11] <Burgundavia> nixternal: I thought the new format was to merge all the "new apps stuff into one section"
[05:12] <nixternal> who knows Burgundavia, but i like the way it looks now
[05:12] <nixternal> i just use the "template" mgalvin created
[05:12] <Burgundavia> uhh, 8 is going out as the new style
[05:12] <nixternal> i haven't read anything about the layout being set in stone
[05:13] <Burgundavia> ok, v9 changed
[05:13] <nixternal> hehe
[05:14] <nixternal> change the template as well i guess
[05:15] <nixternal> i wonder if i should just go ahead and publish the UWN story i posted on the fridge...you want to look that over really quick and publish it if you can?
[05:15] <Burgundavia> I have no access to teh fridge
[05:16] <nixternal> interesting
[05:19] <Burgundavia> never asked for it
[05:37] <johnlittle> Hi
[05:37] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: hey, I think it would be great to fold your video aggregation into help.ubuntu.com
[05:37] <johnlittle> How would that work?
[05:38] <Burgundavia> you are currently just hosting flash files, right?
[05:38] <Burgundavia> do you create them yourself?
[05:38] <johnlittle> I'm not even hosting them. They are flash embeds
[05:38] <Burgundavia> ah, ok
[05:38] <Burgundavia> ok
[05:38] <Burgundavia> then it is pretty simpe
[05:38] <johnlittle> Nope..they are all available on video hubs like YouTube and Google Video
[05:41] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: first is a little thing: can you not link to the ubuntuguide and doc.gwos and instead link to help.ubuntu.com?
[05:41] <Burgundavia> on your get-ubuntu website
[05:41] <Burgundavia> plus you should link to ubuntu.com/desktop and /server
[05:41] <johnlittle> Ok
[05:42] <Burgundavia> thanks
[05:43] <Burgundavia> the documentation team enough trouble with non-official resources, especially the ubuntuguide
[05:44] <johnlittle> They're useful but I see where you're coming from
[05:45] <manicka> johnlittle, you have a nice site?  .... link?
[05:45] <johnlittle> http://www.ubuntuvideo.com
[05:46] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: long term, I am going to see if we can get some hosting on an official server, with downloads in ogg as well as flash
[05:47] <johnlittle> That would be useful if there's success in getting more videos created
[05:48] <manicka> johnlittle, where are you from?
[05:48] <Burgundavia> getting videos created often means "if you build it, they will come"
[05:48] <johnlittle> Houston, Tx USA
[05:49] <johnlittle> Theres an advantage in leveraging YouTube in Google though..both in logistics and marketing. It's good to have the videos distributed far and wide as long as you can create a central hub
[05:49] <johnlittle> YouTube and Google..typo
[05:50] <nixternal> ubuntu-news list run by corey.burger at ubuntu.com
[05:50] <nixternal> hahah, and you don't remember your password
[05:51] <nixternal> man..i wish i could get<EMAIL_ADDRESS>and kubuntu.org changed to rich.johnson or richard.johnson @....
[05:51] <nixternal> looks better when you are dealing with "Corporate" people
[05:52] <crimsun> why?
[05:52] <crimsun> just register rich.johnson as an LP account.
[05:53] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: Changes made to Get Ubuntu
[05:53] <crimsun> nixternal: or ping an admin to get the alias configured
[05:53] <nixternal> who admins that crimsun?
[05:53] <crimsun> no idea tbh
[05:53] <crimsun> I would have said elmo a year ago
[05:53] <nixternal> i will ask Riddell later, i think he knows
[05:54] <crimsun> perhaps znarl or spads?
[05:54] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: looks good, but I meant to link to ubuntu.com/desktop and /server, not the download locations
[05:54] <nixternal> znarl might be one of them actually
[05:54] <nixternal> ya
[05:54] <Burgundavia> maybe say learn about ubuntu on the desktop/server
[05:54] <johnlittle> ah k
[05:55] <nixternal> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/2006-August/000046.html
[05:55] <nixternal> i don't remember typing that ;)
[05:56] <Burgundavia> nixternal: ok, that is very odd
[05:57] <nixternal> people said they got the email too about the UWN..nalioth to be exact
[05:57] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: Done
[05:57] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: perfect, thanks
[06:02] <johnlittle> Burfundavia: Anything else you can think of?
[06:02] <johnlittle> heh..oops
[06:04] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: not currently. If you could post to the -doc list about what you are doing, tht woudl be great
[06:06] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: I can do that
[06:10] <Burgundavia> johnlittle: oh, the -doc LP group is for people who have commit access to our repo. But you can freely post to the mailing list without having that membership
[06:10] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: Yeah I noticed that right after I hit join. Disregard
[06:11] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: Sry
[06:11] <nixternal> ya Burgundavia, how come i never became a doc member on the lp ;)
[06:11] <nixternal> you guys don't like me..been on the waiting list for 2 months
[06:12] <johnlittle> the small print at the bottom says "No Hippies"
[06:12] <manicka> lol, I've been waiting at least 6
[06:12] <nixternal> hehe
[06:12] <nixternal> right now i give all my patches to jonathan jesse to upload
[06:12] <nixternal> and now that I am working on the switching guide...he is going to hate me
[06:13] <manicka> i haven't done a patch in a while... i just send theme to the list
[06:14] <Burgundavia> nixternal: because you still use the wrong de ;)
[06:14] <Burgundavia> seriously, it is because you don't bug us enought
[06:15] <nixternal> hehe
[06:15] <nixternal> go firgure
[06:15] <nixternal> Burgundavia: i think i bugged you all more then enough when working ont he wiki...i remember everyone emailing me back saying, please don't let us know any more..just do it ;)
[06:16] <nixternal> Burgundavia: if it makes you happy, my Edubuntu box runs GNOME :)
[06:16] <Burgundavia> doesn't count
[06:17] <nixternal> hehe
[06:17] <nixternal> ok..i will install Ubuntu Edgy on my other machine
[06:17] <Burgundavia> there is KDE-edu on that
[06:17] <nixternal> i need to actually
[06:17] <nixternal> lol
[06:17] <nixternal> which btw I am checking out for Edgy
[06:17] <nixternal> KDE Edutainment ;)
[06:23] <nixternal> i figured out that goofy issue btw with the news list...i signed the email i sent to the list..so i just sent a new one w/o signing it
[06:23] <nixternal> if you look at the archives now, it looks ok
[06:24] <Burgundavia> nixternal: I no longer see an august archive
[06:24] <nixternal> that is odd
[06:24] <nixternal> i see it just fine
[06:24] <nixternal> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/2006-August/000047.html
[06:24] <nixternal> there is the new post
[06:25] <nixternal> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-news/2006-August/
[06:25] <nixternal> there is the august archive
[06:25] <Burgundavia> nixternal: you tagged that with your sig
[06:25] <nixternal> arg
[06:26] <nixternal> i forgot to delete that
[06:26] <Burgundavia> no biggie
[06:26] <nixternal> heh, i remember it the first time, but signed it with gpg, and this time i remove gpg and leave the sig
[06:26] <nixternal> i can't win for loosing ;)
[06:32] <nixternal> anyone up for teaching some xchat tomorrow say around 01:00 UTC?
[06:34] <johnlittle> Burgundavia: I sent the intro to the docs list
[06:34] <Burgundavia> perfect
[06:45] <johnlittle> Looking forward to that screencast nixternal :)
[06:45] <manicka> sorry nixternal, I'll be at work
[06:47] <nixternal> if only i could get it to slow down
[06:47] <nixternal> my screen cast i have been playing with looks like a dude hyped up on some speed got a hold of a kubuntu box
[06:47] <johnlittle> uing Istanbul?
[06:47] <johnlittle> using
[06:49] <nixternal> http://www.buntudot.org/people/~nixternal/screencasts/nixternal.mpeg
[06:49] <nixternal> xvid
[06:49] <Madpilot> hi all
[06:49] <nixternal> ahh Madpilot, i was just chattin' about ya
[06:49] <Madpilot> should I be worried? ;)
[06:49] <nixternal> August 7, 2006 @ 01:00 UTC is the next IRC class if you are still interested in doing XChat
[06:50] <nixternal> which is tomorrow night at 8pm for me
[06:50] <johnlittle> Wow..you're very productive on speed nix :)
[06:50] <nixternal> hehe
[06:50] <nixternal> i gotta figure out how to slow that down
[06:51] <johnlittle> Once you get it where you want it can you upload it to youtube so that i can post it on UV...the info is on the "Share Ubuntu" page
[06:51] <nixternal> w/o a doubt i will do that
[06:51] <johnlittle> great
[06:51] <nixternal> i want to take the "Konversation" class/lecture i gave today and turn it into a screen cast
[06:51] <nixternal> that will get posted for you
[06:51] <nixternal> if and when i get to it
[06:52] <Madpilot> nixternal, my brain isn't quite functioning right now, but 0100Z is 1800 local - I should be able to make that session
[06:52] <johnlittle> awesome
[06:52] <Madpilot> if I can, I'll do an XChat howto/q&a
[06:52] <nixternal> cool..if you are around you are around ;)
[06:53] <nixternal> im not sure how the turn out will be for this one..but todays turn out was impressive
[06:53] <Madpilot> how many people were there in -classroom? I didn't check when I was there
[06:54] <nixternal> yesterday there was 7 people in the channel, now there is 30+ ...and then for the class at one point there was about 90
[06:54] <Madpilot> wow
[06:54] <nixternal> i think future classes will bring a greater attendance
[06:54] <nixternal> the Multimedia one will be huge im sure
[06:55] <Madpilot> is the multimedia one going to be 'how to get mp3 working', or more 'how to make your own mp3s?'
[06:56] <johnlittle> It would be cool if there was a way to build a alittle pplet that launched -classroom into the default install
[06:56] <johnlittle> a little applet
[06:56] <nixternal> how to get it working
[06:56] <nixternal> and how to make your own
[06:57] <nixternal> we will probably go over Rythmbox, Banshee, Amarok, XMMS for audio, Mplayer, Kaffeine.... for video, libdvdcss, win32codecs, juicer, k3b, kaudiocreator, and more
[06:57] <nixternal> some xine, gstreamer
[06:57] <johnlittle> Thats a lot of ground to cover
[06:57] <Madpilot> don't forget Totem, it is Gnome's default player and it's very capable in it's own right
[06:57] <nixternal> that is why we will need a few instructors, that will have prepared information they can get out quick
[06:58] <nixternal> ya totem
[06:58] <nixternal> your brother hates my use of KDE as it is, and forgetting something in Gnome only drives the nail deeper ;)
[06:59] <nixternal> he said i am not a doc team member yet because of 2 reason, 1 is wrong, but oh well...they were my use of kde and not gnome ;)  and 2 being that i don't bug you all enough..which i have emails to prove i bugged you all to much at one point ;)
[06:59] <johnlittle> he has a point :)
[06:59] <Madpilot> We have a Kubuntu Desktop Guide, even, so not everyone is as anti-KDE as Burgundavia
[06:59] <nixternal> hahaha
[07:00] <nixternal> ya, jjesse and myself are rockin' out kde stuff ;)
[07:00] <nixternal> oh, and Phil Bull is helping with the Switching from Windows guide as well
[07:00] <johnlittle> You have Linus on your side
[07:00] <nixternal> hehe true
[07:00] <nixternal> but, the last thing I seen from Linus, he had E17 running I think
[07:02] <johnlittle> I'd probably switch to Xubunut before Kubuntu
[07:02] <johnlittle> er Xubuntu
[07:02] <Madpilot> I like XFCE, actually
[07:02] <Madpilot> if I owned a less powerful computer, I'd probably be running Xubuntu :)
[07:02] <johnlittle> Yeah I like it alot..KDE apps are great tho
[07:03] <johnlittle> KDE just bugs me - nothing against it just a preference
[07:03] <nixternal> actually, i have a celeron 600 or 700 here with 192mb of ram, and a junk 10gb hard drive, ati rage 2 mobility...old pos lappy
[07:03] <nixternal> and there is no difference running Xubuntu, Kubuntu, or Ubuntu on it what so ever
[07:04] <Madpilot> Really? wild
[07:04] <johnlittle> thats surprising
[07:04] <Madpilot> the Xubuntu LiveCD is slightly faster here than the Ubuntu LiveCD, but not a lot
[07:04] <nixternal> it could be the fact that my lappy is flat out retarded im sure
[07:04] <nixternal> kubuntu live cd is horrid, that i have noticed
[07:04] <nixternal> i try not to use the live cds except for testing
[07:04] <johnlittle> Gnome and KDE have gotten faster though..back up a year or two and the difference might have been huge
[07:05] <johnlittle> just guessing
[07:05] <nixternal> oh they were huge
[07:05] <nixternal> back up a couple months
[07:05] <johnlittle> yeah
[07:05] <nixternal> kde 3.5.2 was super slow
[07:05] <johnlittle> yeah it was
[07:05] <Madpilot> even the difference between the Breezy & Dapper Ubuntu LiveCDs was noticable
[07:05] <nixternal> kde 3.5.3 was the fastest de to load yet for me
[07:05] <nixternal> however, i just up'd to kde 3.5.4 a few days ago, and the slowness is back a little bit i think
[07:06] <johnlittle> when is 4.0 due?
[07:06] <nixternal> beta in october possibly
[07:06] <nixternal> after edgy is released
[07:06] <johnlittle> bummer
[07:07] <johnlittle> Maybe it will make it into Flatulant Froggy
[07:07] <nixternal> lol
[07:08] <nixternal> arlighty...me and my lappy is heading up...see ya in a few ;)
[07:08] <johnlittle> kk
[07:09] <Madpilot> I thought Edgy+1 was going to be Freeloading Ferret
[07:15] <johnlittle> Ferrets are known for that
[07:28] <johnlittle> wb
[07:28] <nixternal_> ty
[07:28] <nixternal_> sittin' here watching VH1 Classic in bed...now it is time to do my best work ;)
[07:29] <johnlittle> lol
[07:29] <johnlittle> I'm going to have another screwdriver..I think my best work is behind me
[07:29] <nixternal_> haha
[07:29] <nixternal_> i could go for a Hacker Pschorr right now
[07:31] <johnlittle> A few of those and you'll sleep like a baby
[07:31] <johnlittle> a drunk baby
[07:34] <nixternal_> haha
[07:35] <nixternal_> i can't kick it anymore Fujitsu ;)
[07:35] <nixternal_> my toes hurt as it is
[07:35] <Fujitsu> Everything else is fine... Just the wiki :(
[07:35] <nixternal_> it figures..right as i goto do some wiki work it wants to stop
[07:36] <Fujitsu> I was reading through specs, and about to make some changes to my wiki page... And boom, it vanishes. Curses.
[07:36] <johnlittle> Funny I was just trying to start on my wiki bio
[07:36] <johnlittle> Does it go down often?
[07:37] <Fujitsu> johnlittle, I've only seen it down when the rest of the datacentre was, and that's only two or three times.
[07:37] <Fujitsu> But the rest of the datacentre is certainly still around.
[07:38] <Madpilot> the Ubuntu servers are generally very reliable - they run a top-quality OS, after all :)
[07:38] <Fujitsu> Hahah.
[07:38] <johnlittle> :)
[07:39] <Fujitsu> The CommunityCouncilAgenda says not to add your name to the member-proposals list until you're sure you can come to the meeting... Yet they don't announce the meeting time until a couple of hours before it starts!
[07:39] <nixterna1_> lol
[07:40] <Fujitsu> It's annoying, because it's normally 1 or 2am my time.
[07:40] <Fujitsu> But sometimes 6am or 8am... But I never know which.
[07:40] <crimsun> the machine hosting the wiki certainly is up; the apache process probably died.
[07:40] <Madpilot> the CC has gotten really bad at figuring out when it's going to meet next, actually - they used to be better at actual schedules
[07:40] <Fujitsu> crimsun, terrific!
[07:40] <nixterna1_> i did my member stuff a month ago for the CC, and never heard back from Mako concerning approval..there are like 4 of us waiting for Ubuntu memberships...in the mean time I became a Kubuntu member which is pretty much the same
[07:41] <Fujitsu> crimsun, is it on the same machine as anything else important?
[07:41] <crimsun> I'm sure palmer hosts something important
[07:41] <johnlittle> How difficult is it to get membership?
[07:41] <Madpilot> johnlittle, not terribly
[07:41] <nixterna1_> ya, if they gave me membership, then you know it is easy
[07:41] <johnlittle> lol
[07:42] <Madpilot> hey, they gave *me* membership :)
[07:42] <johnlittle> So you don't have to whack a member of another distro or anything? :)
[07:42] <Madpilot> johnlittle, well, if you bring in the scalps of 5 Gentoo users you're automatically a member
[07:42] <Fujitsu> I was going to try to go for membership tomorrow, but they haven't announced the time yet, so I can't ensure I'll be there.
[07:42] <Fujitsu> I hope I've done enough...
[07:42] <johnlittle> ahaha...um ok
[07:42] <Fujitsu> Madpilot: LOL.
[07:44] <johnlittle> I'm at zero Karma..I don' t think membership is on my todo list yet
[07:45] <Fujitsu> I've got 250000 :)
[07:45] <johnlittle> that a fair bit lol
[07:45] <Madpilot> I'm down under 10,000 karma - haven't filed enough complaining bugs lately :)
[07:46] <Fujitsu> Heheh.
[07:48] <Fujitsu> I got a fair bit from a lot of sync requests, but I did a lot of bug triage a while ago.
[07:51] <Fujitsu> Having some issues there, nixterna1_?
[07:51] <nixternal_> ya
[07:51] <nixternal_> im on my lappy here, the other machine is still online and had some issues as well
[07:52] <Fujitsu> Ah. Terrific.
[07:53] <johnlittle> Are you running the wiki server on your laptop?
[07:53] <Fujitsu> Shall I presume that somebody is working on the lack of wiki?
[07:53] <Fujitsu> Hahahahahaha.
[07:54] <Fujitsu> And how the heck would Apache have died? I've only made it die once, because I wrote a module that segfaulted.
[07:54] <nixternal_> i love when they do that to me on the phone
[07:55] <Fujitsu> Yeah.
[07:55] <nixternal_> actually...i love when i call comcast and tell them im having connections issues..then they ask...are you using a router..i say yes, they say which one
[07:55] <nixternal_> i tell them Cisco PIX 501
[07:55] <Fujitsu> Ooh dear.
[07:55] <nixternal_> they tell me they don't suppor that
[07:55] <nixternal_> no problem
[07:56] <nixternal_> then they ask what version of Windows I am using..then I get angry
[07:56] <nixternal_> that is like assuming I ignorant
[07:56] <nixternal_> am *
[07:56] <Fujitsu> I think that my ISP would kill me if they knew that I was using a Linux box as a router..
[07:56] <Fujitsu> And they always do the Windows thing.
[07:56] <nixternal_> well then I tell them I use Linux..and then they proceed to tell me that Linux doesn'twork on their system
[07:56] <Fujitsu> It's annoying, especially when you have no Windows boxes on the network :P
[07:56] <johnlittle> Been there done that
[07:56] <nixternal_> i let them know their system is TCP/IP and everything works on it..then they say TCP/IP?
[07:57] <nixternal_> then i get really angry
[07:57] <Fujitsu> HAHAH.
[07:57] <Fujitsu> Evening, robitaille.
[07:57] <robitaille> Hello Fujitsu
[07:58] <robitaille> is the wiki not accessible for others as well?
[07:58] <nixternal_> you got it robitaille
[07:58] <johnlittle> Yeah..no wiki
[07:58] <nixternal_> go nixternal go!
[07:58] <nixternal_> you lazy bum
[07:58] <johnlittle> wiki no worki
[07:59] <robitaille> just when I finally had some time to work on it...
[07:59] <nixternal_> anyone watch Final Fu on MTV?
[07:59] <nixternal_> this girl is beating up this guy big time
[07:59] <johnlittle> never seen it
[07:59] <nixternal_> me either, until right now
[08:01] <Fujitsu> robitaille, it's rather down.
[08:01] <johnlittle> http://dev2dev.bea.com/blog/wgroth2/archive/2006/07/ubuntu_and_bea.html
[08:02] <johnlittle> Seems like that article should get some visibility on the team
[08:03] <johnlittle> er bad wording...The team should see that article..maybe canonical folks..dunno
[08:13] <johnlittle> Wiki is working
[08:13] <nixternal_> woohoo
[08:13] <nixternal_> time to get back to work
[08:13] <johnlittle> Put down the beer
[08:14] <Fujitsu> Wow!
[08:14] <Fujitsu> Yay!
[08:15] <nixternal_> hehe
[08:15] <nixternal_> when is the next CC?
[08:15] <Fujitsu> Tomorrow some time.
[08:15] <Fujitsu> Oops.
[08:15] <Fujitsu> No.
[08:15] <nixternal_> when is Mako going to approve those who are still waiting?
[08:16] <Fujitsu> It's on Tuesdays... Every second, with the next one being this week.
[08:16] <Fujitsu> About mako, I don't know.
[08:18] <johnlittle> Did the wiki just die again
[08:18] <nixternal_> ohh lord
[08:18] <Fujitsu> Looks like it >_<
[08:18] <nixternal_> i quit
[08:18] <nixternal_> haha
[08:18] <Fujitsu> There we go.
[08:18] <Fujitsu> Up again.
[08:19] <nixternal_> jeesh
[08:19] <nixternal_> im not messing with it right now
[08:19] <nixternal_> im scared
[08:19] <johnlittle> wiki is wacky
[08:19] <Fujitsu> It does that.
[08:20] <johnlittle> One more screwdriver and I won't care
[08:21] <Fujitsu> And it's gone, I think.
[08:21] <Fujitsu> And back.
[08:21] <johnlittle> My form still isn't submitting
[08:22] <Fujitsu> It's still up...
[08:26] <johnlittle> yay
[08:27] <johnlittle> Describe JohnLittle...hrm
[08:42] <Burgundavia> http://www.flameproject.org/index.php/Main_Page
[08:56] <Fujitsu> Mmm... Nice.
[09:05] <Madpilot> Burgundavia, shiny - good luck too them!
[09:06] <johnlittle> Yeah very cool looking
[09:07] <Fujitsu> I can't actually get it to capture anything...
[11:30] <mdke> I'm never going to read all that!
[11:32] <rob> thats why you limit your buffer :)
[11:32] <mdke> we need a topic police for this channel
[11:32] <Fujitsu> Why?
[11:33] <mdke> because it's impossible to read scrollback with all the off topic chatting
[11:33] <crimsun> ok, we'll be sure to preface all offtopic talk with mdke:
[11:33] <rob> hehe
[11:33] <mdke> grrrr
[11:34] <crimsun> ;p
[11:34] <Fujitsu> Yes!
[11:34] <rob> mdke: so how's the weather where you are crimsun?
[11:34] <rob> mdke: oh sigh. Australian idol has started again ;(
[11:35] <Burgundavia> mdke: we do spend a lot of time chattering off topic here
[11:35] <Fujitsu> rob, has it!?
[11:35] <Burgundavia> nixternal: started in on EdgyKnot2
[11:35] <mdke> Burgundavia: yeah
[11:35] <rob> mdke: Fujitsu yes, tonight :(
[11:35] <Fujitsu> mdke: rob, terrific :(
[11:35] <Burgundavia> seeking ideas for https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdgyKnot2
[11:36] <rob> mdke: wife is watching it
[11:36] <mdke> guys
[11:36] <rob> hehe
[11:36] <Fujitsu> rob, great.
[11:36] <mdke> repeating a joke 5 times stops it being funny
[11:51] <mdke> nixternal: reading about your membership of the team, I personally haven't seen any patches from you, if we've missed them, can you point them out in the mailing list archives?
[11:53] <mdke> nixternal: (the wiki team is a separate matter, for -doc membership we look for knowledge of docbook and svn + some commitment shown by sending patches)
[12:22] <mpt__> mdke, is there any benefit at all from using the <mousebutton> element?
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i am in doc.
[01:39] <ompaul> Kamping_Kaiser, the idea is to give it an index and then ask you
[01:39] <ompaul> do you want to make a script that turns out a mirroring script
[01:39] <Kamping_Kaiser> ompaul, thats cool. i dont know how, or i would have done it for the ~6 howtos under my wiki home
[01:39] <ompaul> I have been playing with it (as you can see)
[01:40] <ompaul> okay the index is easy - (or how would I know how to do it ;-))
[01:40] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[01:41] <Kamping_Kaiser> it 'needs' -backports added as well
[01:42] <ompaul> the mirroring script itself could do with more scripting sys.argv[1]  - [7]  but that is messy so I am wondering if you want to make the actual script totally fancy with the option of choosing the parts you are wanting to include
[01:42] <Kamping_Kaiser> and the mirror compontent sizes need updating as well. it needs some love :/
[01:43] <ompaul> stick it in the line above it - to be added only if really needed etc
[01:44] <ompaul> okay I am now suffering from hunger of sorts - I will head out and get dinner
[01:44] <ompaul> back in an hour
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> ( -backports can be added if desired)
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> later mate :)
[01:44] <Kamping_Kaiser> and i'll ramble at you while your gone:
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> the point of the howto is to give a guide to a DIY make your own mirror script. a script to generate the scipt would be cool (i thought about it, but since i wasnt going to use it, didnt seem much point), but could perhaps be linked to, not the same page. 'go here for auto generating script' as the last bit on the page - make sure they have alreaeyd done it by hand :D
[01:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> then of course, someone gets the good idea of using zenity/otehr to make a frontend for it, and its just achieved bloatware status in under 3 mental jumps :)
[01:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> bloatware, but happy-user bloatware ;)
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> ompaul, !!!!
[02:43] <ompaul> I am back
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
[02:43] <ompaul> in fashion
[02:43] <Kamping_Kaiser> 1 hour exactly :D
[02:44] <ompaul> well actually back a couple of minutes but that is another story
[02:44] <ompaul> my glorious isp bounced my connection
[02:44] <ompaul> I'll bounce them
[02:45] <Kamping_Kaiser> buggers :/ wondred why you dropped
[02:45] <ompaul> ohh if I told you that you would laugh
[02:46] <ompaul> they change ips once a day
[02:46] <ompaul> like that matters any more
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> mine do as well - but between 1 and 6 am.
[02:46] <ompaul> I read back over what you said
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> *does
[02:46] <ompaul> it makes snese
[02:46] <Kamping_Kaiser> *whew*
[02:46] <ompaul> sense even - it is a bloatware thing I was thinking about
[02:47] <ompaul> zenity is most likley the way to make it happen alright but I am currently doing all my mirroring on servers :)
[02:47] <ompaul> not desktops
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> i dont object in principle, but by the time its that big its no longer a quick DIY script - its a deb itself
[02:47] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe. i'm doing it whereever i can pinch bandwidth :)
[02:47] <ompaul> there is that
[02:48] <ompaul> okay so I think what I will do is make it that it does not work
[02:48] <jsgotangco> hey guys
[02:48] <ompaul> or works for the lts version
[02:48] <Kamping_Kaiser> hey jsgotangco
[02:48] <ompaul> hi jsgotangco
[02:48] <ompaul> so that the user should (after all this is non trivial) actually fix the file to work correctly for themselves
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. thats what my original did didnt it :)
[02:49] <ompaul> so I will reformat the file a little with ### lines being please edit the next line
[02:49] <ompaul> yeah but the au. got to me :)
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> np
[02:49] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[02:49] <ompaul> that and main / universe / multiverse / restricted
[02:50] <mdke> mpt__: I don't know
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> ompaul, whats about main/u/m/r?
[02:50] <ompaul> Kamping_Kaiser, well a gnubuntu/ ubuntu-libre would not work with two of them :)
[02:50] <Kamping_Kaiser> surely thats thier problem ;)
[02:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh.
[02:51] <Kamping_Kaiser> ompaul, i'm a great fan of vrms - used it? :)
[02:52] <ompaul> okay the way I am thinking is really this, if a user is going to change stuff there are three things they need to think about, where to pull from, where to push to, and how much space they need
[02:52] <Kamping_Kaiser> mdke, sorry, back on topic now
[02:52] <ompaul> mdke, if you want to believe me this is about a doc and what should be in it :)
[02:52] <ompaul> _if_
[02:53] <ompaul> Kamping_Kaiser,  right I will attack it, I'll ping you later when I am happy
[02:53] <ompaul> then you can come in and remove the parts you don't want ;-)
[02:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> ompaul, the issue is the whole thing is designed to be changed :) thats why i wrote the script in that maner.
[02:53] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe. ok
[02:54] <Kamping_Kaiser> you have 1.5 hours, then i'm off to bed - then you have to email me to tell me ;)
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> ompaul, you working on that page still? can you mark it catagory doco?
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> and catagorycleanup as well
[03:21] <ompaul> okay
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> ty
[03:21] <ompaul> sorry got diverted by some paying work
[03:21] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe. work! always in the way
[03:23] <ompaul> it appears a box I need working is off the air
[03:23] <Kamping_Kaiser> :/ what do you need it for?
[03:23] <ompaul> I have to download some work from it - I can only do the work this afternoon - it is time based :-/
[03:24] <ompaul> I'll try it in an hour
[03:24] <ompaul> after that it is too late
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> bugga :0
[03:24] <ompaul> box is not even in this country
[03:24] <ompaul> and the work is :-)
[03:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[03:25] <ompaul> right I'll tackle your page keep be busy for a bit
[03:25] <ompaul> then I'll go back and annoy that
[03:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> not rushing you, just dont want to add it to cat cleanup if your editing it at the same time
[03:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> hm. i cant add a page to CatagoryCleanup - does it still exist?
[03:33] <ompaul> Kamping_Kaiser, is sparc an arch these days or is it something else?
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> sparc is a dapper only arch
[03:34] <Kamping_Kaiser> and its only the new sparcs as well (afaik)
[03:54] <ompaul> I'll make a ref to it
[03:56] <Kamping_Kaiser> good idea
[04:23] <ompaul> Kamping_Kaiser, have a read
[04:24] <ompaul> I'm off if I can get log onto this web server in .de
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> ompaul, ok, i'll have a read, tehn i'm off to bed
[04:24] <Kamping_Kaiser> so gnigh tmate
[04:24] <ompaul> cheers
[04:25] <Kamping_Kaiser> learn to preview ;)
[04:26] <ompaul> ohh no
[04:26] <ompaul> I'll let you work it out :)
[04:26] <Kamping_Kaiser> hehe
[04:26] <ompaul> seriously if you want to say it and I will fix it
[04:27] <Kamping_Kaiser> i'll leave it open and have a crack tomorrow
[04:29] <ompaul> okay well I'll pop some more effort in - a little later
[06:12] <johnlittle> morning
[06:12] <nixternal> mornin'
[06:22] <nixternal> when is Knot 2 supposed to be released?
[06:22] <nixternal> nm
[06:22] <nixternal> im looking dead at the answer
[06:28] <johnlittle> Nix you mind looking at my wiki and telling me if it's ok format wise?
[06:29] <nixternal> sure
[06:29] <johnlittle> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnLittle
[06:30] <nixternal> for "Version 1" that is good...believe me, you will have 5 more versions before the end of the week ;)
[06:30] <johnlittle> lol
[06:31] <johnlittle> ubuntuvideo traffic is pretty surprising. It will be interesting to see where it is by the end of the week
[06:34] <johnlittle> have you heard of GMANE?
[06:35] <johnlittle> http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ubuntu.doc/6479
[06:40] <nixternal> i just heard of gmane for the first time really last night when Corey was talking with you
[11:55] <nixternal> Burgundavia: Mark sent me an email about the UWN, he is very happy with it! Thanks for the help, as well as you too Riddell and crimsun!
[11:56] <Burgundavia> nixternal: very cool. oh, and for confusions sake, we refer to Mark as sabdfl
[11:56] <nixternal> no problem ;)
[11:56] <Burgundavia> there are other marks out there
[11:56] <nixternal> true
[12:03] <Riddell> nixternal: nice :)


[00:06] <hazmat> niemeyer, kapilt.com/files/topology.data
[00:40] <SpamapS> hazmat: I hear there's some kind of smack-off going on with 1000+ nodes
[00:41] <SpamapS> hazmat: still going on?
[01:09] <hazmat> SpamapS, yeah
[01:09] <hazmat> SpamapS, f*cking yaml
[01:09] <hazmat> ;-)
[02:02] <SpamapS> hazmat: eh?
[02:02] <SpamapS> hazmat: I thought the problem was watching the topology in zk
[02:04] <hazmat> SpamapS, it was yaml parsing that was problematic
[02:04] <SpamapS> oh!
[02:04] <hazmat> SpamapS, it was really slow with larger yaml docs
[02:04] <SpamapS> that makes perfect sense
[02:04] <SpamapS> what yaml do we have that is large?
[02:04] <hazmat> like 6s for 100k, takes like 0.01s with json
[02:04] <SpamapS> yeah yaml is not for big docs
[02:04] <hazmat> SpamapS, topology
[02:04] <SpamapS> so we keep a yaml.. of the whole topo ?!
[02:05] <hazmat> SpamapS, yup
[02:05] <SpamapS> *doh*
[02:18] <SpamapS> so its not so much that we're sending it to everybody.. its that yaml is complex to parse
[02:18] <SpamapS> hazmat: so are you guys trying a json based version?
[02:22] <hazmat> SpamapS, not yet, its done
[02:23] <hazmat> SpamapS, i will add it though
[02:23] <hazmat> SpamapS, we should talk tomorrow though about it
[02:23] <hazmat> its a hoser for existing envs
[16:22] <Aram> evening.
[16:23] <Aram> where's gustavo, I wonder?
[16:24] <fwereade> Aram, gustavo's heading off home today; not ure if he's actually *gone* but he's certainly going
[16:24] <Aram> thanks fwereade
[16:24] <Aram> hi rogpeppe
[16:25] <rogpeppe> Aram: yo!
[16:25] <Aram> rogpeppe: I might try to do a better os than os in Inferno today.
[16:25] <Aram> any tips?
[16:25] <Aram> I never actually written any limbo before :).
[16:25] <rogpeppe> Aram: "a better os than os" ?
[16:25] <Aram> the one that sets the current directory.
[16:26] <rogpeppe> Aram: still in the dark
[16:26] <rogpeppe> Aram: ah, you mean os(1) ?
[16:26] <Aram> yes.
[16:26] <rogpeppe> Aram: was it you i had the discussion with about reverse-mapping paths?
[16:27] <Aram> yes.
[16:27] <rogpeppe> Aram: and i didn't ever find that package, right?
[16:27] <Aram> right.
[16:33] <Aram> I wonder if there's a better way than trying to make sense of /prog/<pid>/ns
[16:33] <Aram> I'm not sure if parsing /prog/<pid>/ns is enough, in all cases...
[16:35] <rogpeppe> Aram: it definitely isn't
[16:36] <Aram> yeah...
[16:36] <Aram> so what do you suggest?
[16:36] <rogpeppe> Aram: but it's the best we can do
[16:36] <Aram> I see.
[16:37] <rogpeppe> Aram: -> #inferno
[22:28] <hazmat> m_3, ping
[22:32] <hazmat> m_3, seems to work for me
[22:40] <hazmat> m_3, the src wasn't up to date on the controler node
[22:44] <m_3> pong
[22:44] <m_3> hazmat: ok, I'll pull and try again
[22:48] <hazmat> m_3, sorry messed with your vim accidentally, i quit it to avoid any random changes
[22:50] <m_3> np
[22:51] <m_3> kicked it off, we'll dig through the prov agent once it's up
[22:53] <m_3> hazmat: sweeet!
[22:53] <hazmat> m_3, cool
[22:54] <m_3> hazmat: (that was supposed to be "Duuuude!")
[22:54] <m_3> we'll try again....
[22:54] <hazmat> ;-)
[22:54] <m_3> hazmat: sweeeet!
[22:54] <hazmat> m_3, where you at?
[22:54] <m_3> in session... up in a few
[22:57] <m_3> damn, that's fast
[23:00] <hazmat> m_3, yeah?
[23:01] <m_3> *\o/*
[23:02] <hazmat> m_3, nice!
[23:03] <hazmat> m_3, clock it.. i'd like to know if we need to make it faster still
[23:03] <m_3> I'll buy the beer!
[23:03] <m_3> we're going up to 11!
[23:03] <m_3> it's clocked in the deploy.log (head it and tail it and compare)
[23:03] <m_3> (when done)
[23:03] <m_3> gotta detach... you in 205?
[23:09] <hazmat> m_3, yup