[00:00] <stdin> flithm: well I'm going to update the package anyway, just to make sure
[00:00] <sMonk> segfault2k: One time I went so far as to taking a computer I bought from a store and when I was trying Gentoo I got a bad error, so i took my Windows disk that came with the machine and shot it with my shotgun.. lol Then I discovered Kubuntu
[00:00] <segfault2k> what can i do :(
[00:00] <sMonk> flithm: Take one small install... one small hope for Nerd kind
[00:00] <flithm> sMonk: :)
[00:01] <sMonk> :)
[00:01] <segfault2k> ajajJAa lol!!!
[00:01] <Zombocom> how do I fix the fact that control+alt+f1 shows me a blinking cursor
[00:01] <sMonk> Try control+ alt + f2
[00:02] <sMonk> :)
[00:02] <segfault2k> damn i can run every kde4 app from kde 3.5.8 but when i want to run kde4 from kdm, it just restart x server stdin u know what can i do? (sorry my english)
[00:02] <segfault2k> xD
[00:02] <sMonk> Zombocom: what is it your trying to do?
[00:03] <stdin> segfault2k: can you post the 1st 10 lines of /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde to pastebin and /var/log/Xorg.1.log if you have it
[00:03] <segfault2k> ok! :D
[00:04] <segfault2k> stdin: http://stdin.pastebin.com/m7ff0b965 <-- startkde*
[00:04] <stdin> you're using my pastebin huh? :p
[00:05] <segfault2k> yup! XD
[00:05] <shadowhywind> hay all this is a strange question whenever i type a space or tab in most windows i get a comma looking mark, any ideas on how to get rid of them?
[00:05] <stdin> segfault2k: ok that looks fine, what about the Xorg.1.log?
[00:05] <segfault2k> its big file XD
[00:05] <sMonk> shadowhywind: explain "most windows"
[00:05] <shadowhywind> like in kate, kedit, openoffice
[00:06] <shadowhywind> i can post a screen shot if it helps
[00:06] <TheWhiteRook> aren't those comma-type marks kinda like hidden characters?
[00:06] <segfault2k> stdin: but Xorg.1.log changes everytime that i start a new X session?
[00:07] <hagabaka> how do I configure the ntp daemon to synchronize the computer clock?
[00:07] <shadowhywind> probley but not so hidden for me, hehe
[00:07] <stdin> segfault2k: yeah, it's the log for display :1
[00:07] <TheWhiteRook> shadowhywind: I get them too.
[00:07] <TheWhiteRook> I just ignore them...
[00:07] <segfault2k> then i'll never get a "working" Xorg.1.log
[00:07] <shadowhywind> so do i , they don't really bother me so much, but it would be nice to not see them
[00:07] <segfault2k> because when i start a new kde4 session, x server, restart
[00:07] <segfault2k> xD
[00:08] <stdin> segfault2k: it may show me what's happening
[00:08] <segfault2k> i know, but emm lemme think, i can startx and the ouput ove to a file?¿
[00:08] <flithm> stdin: when I try to install the kde4 package is says "depends: kdepim-kde4 but it is not going to be installed"
[00:09] <segfault2k> like startx 2> xorgkde4.log
[00:09] <segfault2k> ?
[00:09] <stdin> segfault2k: that'll start kde3, I need to see the kde4 one
[00:09] <sMonk> shadowhywind: Ok to fix this in Kate goto Settings - configure kate - editing: There un-check "show tabulators"
[00:10] <sMonk> TheWhiteRook: I guess this is for you too
[00:10] <segfault2k> but i have in .xinitrc = exec /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde
[00:10] <TheWhiteRook> thanx, sMonk
[00:10] <stdin> segfault2k: try it then
[00:10] <shadowhywind> OMG! that works!
[00:10] <shadowhywind> thanks sMonk
[00:10] <sMonk> You will find similar options on the rest of your word editors
[00:10] <flithm> stdin: also many of the kde4 packages say version 3.93,, is that right?
[00:10] <segfault2k> ok, that will freeze my session, but i'll reboot and send the log ok? stdin
[00:10] <flithm> err 3.94 rather
[00:11] <stdin> segfault2k: ok
[00:11] <sMonk> Np guys
[00:11] <segfault2k> danke
[00:11] <sMonk> glad I can help
[00:11] <stdin> flithm: like I said, I'm updating it :)
[00:12] <flithm> stdin: gotcha no worries, what about the version on some of the kde packages... 3.94 okay?
[00:12] <stdin> flithm: not really, no, that's why I'm updating it
[00:12] <flithm> hahah okay
[00:13] <sMonk> LoL, the life of a test rat... lol
[00:13] <wesley> when would the stable kde4 realesed?
[00:14] <sMonk> 4.8 lol
[00:14] <stdin> 4.1 should be the "stable for all" release
[00:14] <TheWhiteRook> hahahha
[00:14] <flithm> heh
[00:14] <biovore> when it ready...
[00:14] <TheWhiteRook> any idea when that might be?
[00:14] <sMonk> ;)
[00:14] <wesley> there was a date was there?
[00:14] <sMonk> They were "talking" April.. I believe... right stdin?
[00:15] <wesley> but the first stable kde 4.0 would be in jan ?
[00:15] <sMonk> If you look on KDE.org and fish around for the "release log"
[00:16] <TheWhiteRook> first "stable" release is tomorrow.
[00:16] <sMonk> I believe that the "4.1 stable release" is hoped for April..
[00:16] <flithm> TheWhiteRook: today actually for 4.1 :)
[00:16] <sMonk> that or it's Hardy.. I can't remember all the numbers
[00:16] <flithm> TheWhiteRook: I meant 4.0
[00:16] <TheWhiteRook> but the first non-beta-alpha-or-rc is tomorrow
[00:16] <flithm> today
[00:16] <stdin> sMonk: something around there
[00:16] <TheWhiteRook> tomorrow for me, at least :P
[00:16] <flithm> TheWhiteRook: oh right... time zones :)
[00:17] <TheWhiteRook> yup
[00:17] <TheWhiteRook> that great Canadian invention...
[00:17] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. Been editing a wiki page  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/fusesmb   THEN i reaize after i got it done. it needs to be https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb to have a wiki-ish title.. :) is this imporntant?  or trivial? im not sure how to move the file over other then to make a new wiki page. cut/paste,, then just edit the old and delete everything.
[00:17] <sMonk> When i wrote code (yrs ago) stuff got done when I was done my college work, dringing beer, and watching "taseful" movies..
[00:18] <flithm> I don't think I can be bothered clicking all these packages to install... I'll wait for the meta package :)
[00:18] <wesley> so today kde 4.0 will be released?
[00:18] <flithm> wesley: yeah you can actually install it right now if you want
[00:18] <sMonk> wesley: correct..
[00:18] <TheWhiteRook> but it'll be buggy.
[00:18] <flithm> right
[00:18] <TheWhiteRook> crawling with insects. :P
[00:18] <Tm_T> TheWhiteRook: buggy?
[00:19] <wesley> how can i install it than?
[00:19] <sMonk> but if you want to wait a little longer, stdin is working on a "one shot distro install".. am I right so far stdin?
[00:19] <TheWhiteRook> mm I've heard that KDE4 will be buggy for Kubuntu
[00:19] <flithm> wesley: instructions are the exact same as the rc2 page: http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[00:19] <flithm> TheWhiteRook: I doubt it's distro specific
[00:19] <Tm_T> TheWhiteRook: heard, right ;)
[00:20] <wesley> i can use both kde3 and 4
[00:20] <sMonk> flithm: Ya never know.. it's a risk we're all glad to take tho
[00:20] <TheWhiteRook> I tried RC2 a couple days ago, and it was working terribly.
[00:20] <flithm> wesley: yep
[00:21] <segfault_> stdin:
[00:21] <wesley> but what with that one shot distro install ?
[00:21] <stdin> sMonk: yeah, I'm working on the "kde4" meta-package, it'll also have kde4-amusements kde4-core and kde4-devel meta-packages
[00:21] <sMonk> I was trying out the LiveCD.. it wouldn't even let me change the resolution.. lol
[00:21] <flithm> TheWhiteRook: doesn't mean 4.0 is gonna be the same.  I actually know someone personally who compiled it from source yesterday, and he said he used it for an entire day without any bugs, issues, or crashes
[00:21] <sMonk> stdin: You one busy guy
[00:21] <segfault_> stdin: http://stdin.pastebin.com/m7eba0acc
[00:21] <sMonk> or girl.. sorry
[00:21] <stdin> sMonk: nothing new there (and I'm a guy yes :p )
[00:22] <sMonk> lol.. *whew*
[00:22] <TheWhiteRook> flithm: I hope you're right...
[00:22] <sMonk> stdin: made that mistake ONCE... wont do it again... (worst date ever.. LOL)
[00:22] <flithm> TheWhiteRook: well, personally I'm not holding my breath... I expect some issues, but we'll see I guess
[00:22] <TheWhiteRook> yes.
[00:23] <wesley> stdin the kde4 packs are they updated?
[00:23] <TheWhiteRook> hopefully we'll see something good... :P
[00:23] <stdin> segfault_: try "startx :1" instead of just "startx"
[00:23] <stdin> wesley: very they are indeed
[00:23] <segfault_> stdin: ok!
[00:23] <sMonk> I guess the BEST thing you can do IF you want KDE 4.... is simply wait till 4.1 if you want WAY less issues... if you want to be part of "us rats" in the testing cages.. then grab a copy of 4.0 meta (when it's done) and giv'er
[00:23] <wesley> its 4.0?
[00:24] <stdin> they are 4.0.0
[00:24] <stdin> by my clock it's Fri, 11 Jan 2008 00:24:26 +0000, that makes it release day
[00:24] <wesley> wich server stdin i got dutch server on?
[00:25] <TheWhiteRook> It's Thursday, Jan. 10, 19:25 for me
[00:25] <sMonk> LoL.. only Thursday 10Jan at 19:25 here
[00:25] <Dr_willis> Is there a ubuntu-wiki doc channel? Working on some wiki pages.. and wanting some feedback, and tips.
[00:25] <TheWhiteRook> sMonk: Hey! we're in the same time zone!
[00:25] <stdin> wesley: the kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA (see the link in the topic for SVN, it's the same repo)
[00:25] <Dr_willis> 7:30 here :)
[00:25] <sMonk> TheWhiteRook: see THAT'S why 4.0 is buggy for us.. we havent hit the official release date yet.. lol
[00:26] <TheWhiteRook> hahhaa
[00:26] <Dr_willis> if <date>  >= $release_date then dontcrash()
[00:26] <sMonk> shut off computer.. goto bed.. get up and turn on and all will be good
[00:26] <sMonk> HAHAHAHAHA
[00:27] <sMonk> Dr_willis: now THAT is some code I think I could use for A LOT of programs
[00:27] <wesley> http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/3381/schermafdruk2vj2.png  this shows adept stid
[00:28] <sMonk> segfault2k: how'd things work out
[00:28] <sMonk> ?
[00:28] <segfault2k> same :(
[00:28] <wesley> i get it i need to add deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main
[00:28] <stdin> wesley: that's from gutsy-backports, not the PPA
[00:28] <sMonk> craptackular
[00:28] <segfault2k> stdin same :(
[00:29] <stdin> segfault2k: got the log for this time?
[00:29] <segfault2k> eee noup :s!
[00:29] <segfault2k> i've screwed it?
[00:29] <Rozenfag> Hey guys, I have a quick question: I have Dapper installed on my laptop. I have Gutsy on a CD. Can I put the CD in and upgrade it?
[00:29] <wesley> stdin its takes some upgrades with it is it okay?
[00:30] <stdin> segfault2k: you shouldn't have a new .1.log yet, just post that
[00:30] <stdin> wesley: yes, every package on there is meant for mass-distribution with KDE4
[00:30] <wesley> okay thanks
[00:30] <Schuenemann> Rozenfag, you can, even though I prefer to install it from scratch
[00:31] <Schuenemann> I don't remember how exacly, though
[00:31] <Rozenfag> I'm on dial-up right now, and it took hours to install the video drivers. I don't want to do that again if possible :P
[00:31] <stdin> Rozenfag: no you can't, you'll have to go Dapper->Edgy->Feisty->Gutsy, skipping version is not supported
[00:31] <segfault2k> where is located that file?
[00:31] <wesley> lol xbox live got a day of yesterday i only did download on kubuntu
[00:31] <Rozenfag> ah, alright. Thanks :)
[00:32] <stdin> segfault2k: /var/log/Xorg.1.log
[00:32] <wesley> Rozenfag you could just download the live cd if you have a home you personal settings will be held just install everthing you need its a lot faster than yupgrading
[00:33] <segfault2k> deprecated: /var/log/Xorg.1.log: No existe el fichero ó directorio
[00:34] <stdin> segfault2k: can you try the Xephyr way of starting kde4?
[00:34] <stdin> see the guide in the topic for how, but you'll need xserver-xephyr
[00:35] <sMonk> Well.. time to go spend some time with my wife, Catch you guys later.. stdin hope the package building goes well.. When I gome back I'll grab a copy of your meta pacage and give er' a whirrl
[00:35] <sMonk> gome - come
[00:35] <stdin> sMonk: by the time you come back you should be able to "sudo apt-get install kde4" :)
[00:35] <TheWhiteRook> see you later
[00:36] <sMonk> LoL.. in 5 MIN??? Really? lol.. j/k.. ok sounds good man. c'aio
[00:36] <sMonk> TheWhiteRook:  later
[00:36] <stdin> yes, in about 5 mins :)
[00:36] <Tm_T> :(
[00:36] <stdin> already uploaded
[00:36] <segfault2k> stdin ok! i'll try
[00:36] <sMonk> damn you work fast
[00:37] <segfault2k> but a hint, when i try to run kwin-kde4 --replace in kde 3.5.8, X server restart again
[00:37] <stdin> segfault2k: just a thought, do "mv ~/.kde4 ~/.kde4.backup" and try again
[00:38] <Tm_T> sMonk: nownow, there's no damnation, there's salvation (KDE4)
[00:38] <lufthanza> any masters of xorg/3d acceleration in here?
[00:38] <Tm_T> lufthanza: no without actual question
[00:38] <segfault2k> stdin kk! :)
[00:39] <wesley> stdin KDE4 ownt vista ( If you get it what i mean ? )
[00:39] <lufthanza> I've got a geforce 4 mx, an integrated nvidia video card with shared memory.
[00:39] <Schuenemann> wesley, anything that isn't b0rked owns vista
[00:39] <flithm> stdin: you say the kde4 meta package is ready?
[00:39] <stdin> wesley: yeah, I was playing with it a few mins ago (1st chase I've had in a while) and it RocKs
[00:39] <Tm_T> wesley: Schuenemann: oh come on, this is supposed to be family friendly channel!
[00:40] <Schuenemann> Tm_T, virus, intruders, spyware, trojan and adware aren't bad words
[00:40] <lufthanza> i've installed the proprietary nvidia drivers for it, and glxinfo reports direct rendering is a go, and glxgears works great, but then I try to open something that uses opengl...
[00:40] <wesley> stdin playing with vista or kde4
[00:40] <stdin> flithm: let me check if it's propagated get
[00:40] <segfault2k> stdin same :(
[00:40] <Tm_T> Schuenemann: oh but that V word is!
[00:40] <lufthanza> and a blank screen/window greets me
[00:40] <Schuenemann> that is just an acronym
[00:40] <lufthanza> any ideas?
[00:40] <stdin> wesley: KDE4 ofcource, I don't touch vista (unless I have to fix it for family)
[00:41] <wesley> lol  the same here
[00:41] <TheWhiteRook> sorry bout that... my battery ran out
[00:41] <Tm_T> oh boy
[00:42] <Tm_T> forget the whole Vis-something, ok?
[00:42] <wesley> KDE4 got the real WOW
[00:42] <TheWhiteRook> ewwww premature, bloated microsoft crap..
[00:42] <Tm_T> what did I just said
[00:43] <segfault2k> ;/
[00:43] <NickPresta> Do any of the new KDE4 packages touch anything related to Python QT4?
[00:43] <TheWhiteRook> stdin: where's your KDE4 package?
[00:43] <wesley> WOW is not from microsoft
[00:43] <segfault2k> WOW its from blizzard
[00:43] <segfault2k> xD
[00:43] <wesley> But from World Of Warcraft
[00:43] <Tm_T> kids
[00:43] <wesley> Microsoft just steals
[00:44] <segfault2k> what would be the problem :(
[00:44] <Tm_T> wesley: no politics here, thank you
[00:44] <segfault2k> i can run every kde4 app :(
[00:44] <TheWhiteRook> wesley: sorry, I was talking about Vista
[00:44] <wesley> okay but have to admit vista was cool XD but linux rocks
[00:44] <Tm_T> !ot
[00:44] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[00:45] <stdin> segfault2k: try removing/purging  all kde4 packages and reinstalling it. something like "sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l|egrep '(4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9])'|awk '{print $2}')" then install the package the link in the topic says
[00:45] <stdin> TheWhiteRook: see the link in the topic, it says SVN/RC2, but they are 4.0.0
[00:46] <TheWhiteRook> stdin: thanx
[00:47] <lufthanza> anyone got any ideas on my problem?
[00:47] <segfault2k> stdin
[00:47] <segfault2k> bash: egrep (4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9]): orden no encontrada
[00:47] <segfault2k> (its something like command not found, in english)
[00:47] <TheWhiteRook> damn, I have to go again.
[00:47] <TheWhiteRook> see you all later
[00:47] <wesley> stdin is amarok ready for kde4?
[00:47] <stdin> segfault2k: copy & paste, it needs those single quotes
[00:47] <segfault2k> i've copy n pasted
[00:47] <Tm_T> wesley: no
[00:47] <stdin> wesley: no, it's not even out of alpha
[00:47] <segfault2k> segfault@carboxile:~$ sudo apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l|egrep'(4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9])'|awk '{print $2}')
[00:48] <wesley> ow so just use the kde3 version
[00:48] <Tm_T> stdin: I'm off, have fun my young apprentice
[00:48] <stdin> Tm_T: noo! don't leave me with this rabble :p
[00:48] <wesley> but i had used once used i a early stage the kde4 amarok but it was not realy good the plasma thing
[00:49] <Schuenemann> stdin, when you're done, you can solve my GTK-font trouble lol
[00:50] <stdin> segfault2k: apt-get --purge remove $(dpkg -l |egrep '(4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9])'|awk '{print $2}')
[00:50] <flithm> stdin: is there a way I can check for that kde4 package other than obsessively apt-get updating? :)
[00:50] <stdin> flithm: "apt-cache policy kde4", when it says "Candidate: 3~gutsy1~ppa1" it's ready
[00:51] <flithm> stdin: thanks :)
[00:51] <d03boy> hello kubuntu team!
[00:51] <segfault2k> stdin  it will remove my kde 3.5.8 xD!
[00:51] <segfault2k> but doesn't matter D
[00:51] <segfault2k> xD
[00:51] <d03boy> I have an older version of kubuntu and I want to make WPA work on it without fussing with 9230423 things. How can I do such a thing?
[00:52] <Dr_willis> well older as in edgy. or older as in...
[00:52] <d03boy> whats the command to see?
[00:53] <thomas_newbie__> omg i can't get my printer to work....It is connected to my other windows xp machine
[00:53] <Dr_willis> !version
[00:53] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type « lsb_release -a » in a !shell
[00:53] <stdin> segfault2k: use "sudo aptitude remove $(dpkg -l |egrep '(4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9])'|awk '{print $2}') kdebase-bin-kde3+" instead
[00:53] <d03boy> its Dapper
[00:53] <d03boy> 6.06
[00:53] <d03boy> what order does it go in?
[00:54] <stdin> dapper is currently the oldest supported version
[00:54] <d03boy> well then, I guess I should be supported
[00:55] <d03boy> i plan on upgrading as soon as I can back up my data, which I cant do until I get internet connection
[00:55] <Dr_willis> assuming the wireless card has any linux support at all.
[00:55] <stdin> have a look at the wifi docs, they should help
[00:55] <stdin> !wpa
[00:55] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[00:55] <thomas_newbie__> should I use Samba to connect to my windows xp computer?
[00:55] <flithm> thomas_newbie__: yes
[00:55] <d03boy> Dr_willis, its using the emulator thinger
[00:55] <Dr_willis> thomas_newbie__,  if you want to access the shares - yes. -  or use the fusesmb tools
[00:56] <d03boy> stdin, ive lokoed before and they dont help
[00:56] <thomas_newbie__> flithm: i'm having trouble though
[00:56] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: you only need to install samba if you want windows clients to access shares on kubuntu, you don't need it to access windows shares
[00:56] <flithm> thomas_newbie__: what stdin said :)
[00:56] <Dr_willis> I got noidea what a emulator thinger is.. :) and i dont do wireless  much.. Gutsy came out and my wireless laptop started working.. woot. befor that - Never worked.
[00:56] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: ok so i should disable samba or uninstall it?
[00:56] <d03boy> Dr_willis, ndis wrapper
[00:57] <Artus> ðóñêèé ñàïîðò åñòü?
[00:57] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: which ever you want, if you don't need it remove it
[00:57] <stdin> Artus: ?
[00:57] <Artus> åñòü êóáóíòó 7.10 ìîæíî ëè ïðîèíñòàëèòü ñ æåñòêîãî äèñêà? îòñóòñòâóåòü ÑÄ
[00:57] <d03boy> well here's the thing... I'm using ndiswrapper and there's like 16 different documents that I dnot want to search through to figure out how not to set up WPA
[00:57] <Dr_willis> i just finished a wiki page on using fusesmb under ubuntu :) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FuseSmb it lets you browse the windows network.
[00:57] <d03boy> ive tried it before and I failed
[00:58] <BraWearerGuy38B> Any guys here like to wear bras?
[00:59] <flithm> that was messed up
[00:59] <acemo> stdin my favorite guy with too much knowledge bout linux =)
[00:59] <d03boy> stdin, can I borrow some wpa knowledge
[01:00] <stdin> d03boy: I don't use wpa, so I have none :)
[01:00] <d03boy> calling all wpa users!
[01:01] <flithm> d03boy: i use wpa2
[01:02] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: the tutorials i'm reading says that I have to use samba http://www.watchingthenet.com/connecting-to-shared-printers-on-windows-computers.html
[01:03] <flithm> stdin: is there a way to download debs from the source where you guys upload them, before they get propagated?  this is ridiculous I feel like a kid on christmas morning
[01:04] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: it may be needed for printer sharing, but you didn't say you wanted to share printers ;) I have my windows client connect to my kubuntu box with IPP rather than the other way around
[01:04] <Dr_willis> Hmm.. I think im using samba to share my printers.. or is it cups doing it.. i forget. :)
[01:05] <Dr_willis> hes going the other way? windows has the printer, he wants linux to access it?
[01:05] <stdin> flithm: not really, we don't upload .debs, we upload the source packages an have the builders build them. they then get sent to the repository and you download them
[01:05] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: so i click on network printer tcp?
[01:05] <flithm> stdin: oh right... okay I'll shut up and be patient :)
[01:05] <Dr_willis> and then thers much dancing and partying!
[01:06] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: for using windows printers you need to use samba/smb connection
[01:06] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: yea you told me i didn't need it if I was connecting to the windows printer :D
[01:06] <seezer> can anyone use suspend (ram|disk) with the new kde4 packages?
[01:07] <stdin> I said "thomas_newbie__: it may be needed for printer sharing, ...."
[01:07] <wesley> stdin why cant i use adept in kde4
[01:07] <stdin> seezer: try it and see
[01:07] <stdin> wesley: you can't?
[01:07] <seezer> stdin: heh. it's not working for me. that's why i'm asking ;)
[01:07] <wesley> no i cant its says my pass is wrong
[01:08] <stdin> probably something with kdesu then
[01:08] <wesley> what are packs i should install i have read the instructions
[01:10] <seezer> wesley: set a root password and use that - or better: call 'kdesudo adept_manager'
[01:10] <wesley> seezer i have a root password
[01:11] <stdin> boo! hiss!
[01:11] <stdin> setting a root pass is "Bad"(tm)
[01:11] <seezer> wesley: i guess i may not talk about that here :)
[01:11] <wesley> okay but seezer it works
[01:11] <seezer> wesley: it's not kubuntu style - so just take the second option
[01:11] <kubuntu> hi, i have just installed Ubuntu 7.10 and the Kubuntu-Desktop so i have Gnome and KDE. i installed it in a 80GB Disk leaving 38GB for root and the other for /home, if i buy a new disk, can i remove the /home partition, leave the 80GB for /root and the other for /home without lossing data?
[01:13] <seezer> when i start the kde4 session via kdm-kde4 i get only a blank xterm
[01:13] <habdel> kubuntu: yes you can but you should be familiar with the console
[01:13] <seezer> calling /usr/lib/kde4/bin/startkde works fine and /usr/share/xsessions/kde4.desktop calls just that
[01:13] <seezer> any idea?
[01:13] <stdin> kubuntu: as long as you copy /home to the new partition first, then delete the old /home and resize / to include the free space
[01:13] <stdin> seezer: don't use kdm-kde4, it's borkified
[01:14] <seezer> hmkay
[01:14] <AmyRose> I learned that
[01:14] <AmyRose> about kdm-kde4
[01:14] <wesley> is there a germany learning app?
[01:15] <flithm> heh
[01:15] <kubuntu> stdin and habdel: thanks, that doubt was killing me
[01:15]  * kubuntu Wonders if he should upgrade to KDE4....
[01:15] <Schuenemann> not until it's released
[01:15] <wesley> kde4 works good :)
[01:15] <stdin> kubuntu: make sure you edit /etc/fstab too, to mount the new /home (the UUID of / may change too, not sure)
[01:16] <wesley> stdin kde4 meta pack haves a break
[01:16] <kubuntu> sdin: I know that, the only doubt was the resizing one
[01:17] <stdin> wesley: that's the older one, I've uploaded a newer one and it's building
[01:17] <stdin> well, it's pending building actually
[01:18] <flithm> stdin: should I see the kde4 package on the list of recent uploads on the launchpad page?  or the list of available packages for that matter?
[01:18] <JohnnyNoBueno> I'm a total n00b.  Anyone have any thoughts on getting an SIIG scsi controller working on a fresh install of 7.10?
[01:18] <wesley> and kde 4 multimedia?
[01:19] <itsjustme> can someone help me with the pan newsreader?  I put the server info in the config file and its like nothing happens...
[01:19] <stdin> flithm: it just started building (30 secs ago), it shouldn't be long
[01:19] <kubuntu> Is good to have the GNOME and the KDE desktop enviroment installed in Ubuntu?
[01:19]  * flithm excited
[01:19] <flithm> :)
[01:19] <Dr_willis> kubuntu,  i do that all the time. No problems
[01:19] <JohnnyNoBueno> sorry, I'm in wrong room
[01:20] <stdin> depends on if you want gnome :)
[01:20] <Dr_willis> itsjustme,  i though you had to tell it to grab a list of the newsgroups also.
[01:20] <Dr_willis> its been years since  i last used pan
[01:21] <kubuntu> lol, o tought it can damage any root file, nad about Gnome....... .... ... i don't like it...... lol lol
[01:21] <kubuntu> I only use it if something goes out of control and i can't fix it in KDE  lol
[01:21] <stdin> if you don't like gnome, why not just install kubuntu directly?
[01:22] <stdin> the shell is the best rescue tool ever invented, even the windows "rescue mode" uses a shell
[01:23] <flithm> I'd even go as far as to say the shell is the best user interface mode ever invented.  Don't get me wrong, windows are useful... so you can have many overlapping shells :)
[01:23] <kubuntu> stdin: Well, when i installed my linux, i only had the Ubuntu Cd, and as i said, if something goes out of control on KDE, i can solve it in Gnome in wich i'm a little experienced
[01:23] <itsjustme> I cant seem to figure out how... It looks like it has a download arrow.. I assume it is for gettinh the list, but nothjing happens
[01:24] <stdin> kubuntu: well if you have the space for both, it's fine. you'll just have a bit of a messy KMenu :)
[01:24] <itsjustme> pan  o.129
[01:24] <itsjustme> 0.129
[01:24] <wesley> stdin how can you edited the kde4 menu ?
[01:25] <stdin> not sure, ask in #kde :)
[01:25] <kubuntu> lol... yeah stdin, my Kmenu is a bit messy.... but i can handle it.... lol
[01:25] <itsjustme> click refresh list and I see on the bottom,,,  No Connections.. how do I connect?
[01:26] <Dr_willis> itsjustme,  i recall thee being a menu item. But again its been years.
[01:26] <itsjustme> so what do you recommend for a news reader?
[01:26] <Dr_willis> i dont even know if my isp has a news server any more
[01:26] <itsjustme> pan is suppose to be good
[01:26] <vzduch> Dr_willis: you recall whom being a menu item? :D
[01:26] <Dr_willis> pan was very good last i used it.
[01:27] <Dr_willis> it also depends on what you want to do with the news reader. :)
[01:27] <vzduch> itsjustme: you mean for standard Usenet groups or for binaries?
[01:27] <kubuntu> So, i have  a problem with KDM, it have more resolution than what my monitor can correctly show, that means that KDM is displayed but not like he will have to, ho can i fix that? pleas
[01:27] <kubuntu> e
[01:27] <seezer> stdin: did you try suspend yet?
[01:27] <itsjustme> how about for all
[01:27] <stdin> seezer: nope, not yet
[01:27] <itsjustme> I'd like to learn how to do all of it.. Im new to this
[01:28] <vzduch> as for binaries, no idea.. for normal Usenet reading and posting, KNode should be preferred as it's a KDE program, but Pan is just fine
[01:28] <Dr_willis> Hmm I fired up pan.. it asked for the news server.. i entered the right info.. it started getting the groups..
[01:28] <vzduch> itsjustme: and google for 'netiquette' :)
[01:28] <itsjustme> I have pan up but cant seem to connect
[01:28] <Dr_willis> its fetching 20000+ groups it seems :)
[01:29] <itsjustme> hhuummm   firewall maybe?
[01:29] <Dr_willis> you sure you got yoyur news group server entered properly?
[01:29] <itsjustme> yea,,  it worked in W i n d o zzz earlier
[01:29] <vzduch> Dr_willis: that's just the list.. if you want to actually read newsgroups, you have to subscribe to them
[01:29] <Dr_willis> vzduch,  correct.. but he dosent seem to even have the list.. or hes really confused about how to use pan. :)
[01:29] <itsjustme> 1st thing 1st... I need to get the program to connecyt
[01:30] <Dr_willis> itsjustme,  go to File->task manager, see if its doing anything.
[01:30]  * feffer ...be back later: Gone away for now.
[01:31] <itsjustme> blank
[01:31] <itsjustme> 0tasks
[01:31] <Dr_willis> check the event log? same menu..
[01:31] <itsjustme> wow...  error connecting
[01:31] <itsjustme> many
[01:31] <Dr_willis> ------->   you sure you got yoyur news group server entered properly?
[01:31] <Dr_willis> :)
[01:32] <itsjustme> I'll try again
[01:32] <vzduch> are there free newsfeeds available still?
[01:32] <vzduch> I have a paid newsfeed (€10 per year), works fine
[01:33] <ardchoille> vzduch: Newsfeeds for what? There are tons of free newsfeeds. My akregator is full of them :)
[01:33] <vzduch> ardchoille: not for RSS, for Usenet
[01:33] <ardchoille> Ah, ok
[01:33] <ardchoille> I don't even know what usenet is
[01:33] <vzduch> o0
[01:33] <itsjustme> still no connections...   newsgroups.comcast.net
[01:33] <vzduch> guess you missed something then ;)
[01:33] <stdin> it's a place where the deviant hangout
[01:33] <Dr_willis> news feeds., vs newsgroups :)
[01:34] <ardchoille> stdin: :)
[01:34] <Dr_willis> itsjustme,  it may want a username/password.. or somthing else.
[01:34] <Dr_willis> The comcast isp web site may have details.
[01:34] <itsjustme> google. said newsgroups.comcast.net and it works in windoz..  entered the other info too
[01:34] <stdin> ardchoille: think of it like a mailing list, except you don't have to "sign up", you just subscribe to it
[01:34] <Dr_willis> itsjustme,  you are a comcast subscriber?
[01:34] <flithm> stdin: I'M DYING HERE!! :)
[01:35] <itsjustme> ha  after 30secs it says connecting/////  woops no connections
[01:35] <itsjustme> yes i am
[01:35] <ardchoille> stdin: Ok
[01:41] <wesley> how does the replacement for kicker named?
[01:41] <stdin> wesley: it's a plasmoid/applet, it's part of plasma
[01:42] <itsjustme> sorry...  Im back.. had to help my son with his homework
[01:42] <itsjustme> so what do we think?  uninstall and reinstall?
[01:42] <vzduch> checked firewall?
[01:43] <vzduch> though I think it's a bit unlikely that this is the problem.. should work perfectly in passive mode
[01:43] <itsjustme> firewall off... no connections still after tring to connect
[01:44] <itsjustme> Ill reinstall and try again
[01:44] <vzduch> perhaps try KNode
[01:44] <itsjustme> k
[01:45] <wesley> will it take long till the kde4 meta is ready?
[01:46] <stdin> it'll take a bit longer since I had to re-upload :p
[01:46] <wesley> ows my taskbar from kde4 is away
[01:47] <wesley> gots kicker so long activated
[01:49]  * marcx bru noc
[01:50] <erick> holas
[01:51] <NickPresta> !es | erick
[01:51] <ubotu> erick: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[01:51] <vzduch> <-- going to bed, good night folks :)
[01:52] <tekteen> anyone know how to subscribe to an iTunes podcast from a website?
[01:52] <wayneward> i see kde 4 is released today sometime how long before it hits the repositories any one know
[01:53] <cef> and how long before all the bug fixes hit upstream, and then come back. :/
[01:53] <tekteen> the site is http://fee.org/ and has a button on the site to subscribe to the podcast,
[01:55] <stdin> tekteen: that *needs* itunes
[01:55] <tekteen> stdin: I have ubuntu not itunes
[01:55] <tekteen> stdin: :-(
[01:56] <stdin> tekteen: email them and complain until something is done :p
[01:56] <tekteen> thanks :-(
[01:57] <stdin> nothing anyone except them can do, it specifically looks for itunes
[01:58] <NickPresta> tekteen, try saving this (http://ax.phobos.apple.com.edgesuite.net/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewPodcast?id=254360357&ign-mscache=1) and loading it in itunes
[01:58] <wesley> how can i start the kde plasmoid ( kicker it will not start by start up ) kde4
[01:59] <stdin> wesley: it's probably easier to start with a fresh ~/.kde4 for now, just logout of kde4, rename it and log back in
[01:59] <stdin> some of the older setting may mess the latest one up
[02:00] <wesley> what renaming?
[02:02] <stdin> in konsole "mv ~/.kde4 ~/.kde4.bak" or open konqueror and choose View -> Show Hidden and rename it
[02:02] <stdin> do that in kde3, because it won't work right in kde4
[02:04] <d0b> hi all
[02:04] <wesley> so what do i need to rename ?
[02:05] <d0b> I have a little problem.. when I boot the system i see only shel and nothing else...
[02:06] <wesley> stdin what do i have to rename?
[02:06] <d0b> so i need to type kdesktop and kwin --replace to view the desktop evry tyme when i login...
[02:07] <d0b> can some body help me how to fix it ?
[02:07] <stdin> wesley: in kde4, open konsole and put in "mv ~/.kde4 ~/.kde4.bak"
[02:08] <stdin> d0b: does /etc/rc2.d/S99kdm and /etc/init.d/kdm exist ?
[02:08] <wesley> stdin in kde3 i am logged
[02:08] <stdin> wesley: no, I meant "in kde3" not 4
[02:09] <stdin> typos
[02:09] <wesley> and now its renamed?
[02:09] <stdin> when it's renamed log back into kde4
[02:10] <d0b> stdin: yes, they are there
[02:10] <thomas_newbie__> Should I have a different password for my SUDO and a different one for ROOT?
[02:10] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: don't set a root pass at all
[02:10] <wayneward_> how do i get kde4 installed apt-get install ??..
[02:11] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: well whenever i need root priveleges i use root passwd no?
[02:11] <stdin> d0b: when you login, do you login to the shell or to kdm?
[02:11] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: no, you use sudo
[02:11] <d0b> stdin: to kdm
[02:11] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: but I log in with that password too...
[02:12] <d0b> stdin: the problem has appearanced when I upgrade system to 7.10 but at that time was launching compiz (
[02:12] <stdin> d0b: what session does it say it's logging you into?
[02:12] <wesley> stdin it works thanks
[02:13] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: don' t just use sudo to to root stuff
[02:13] <stdin> *"don't, just..."
[02:14] <d0b> stdin: don't know
[02:14] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: ??well I use the same password to login to my home...same for sudo to do admin stuff
[02:14] <lemke> anyone can tell me if there will be a Kubuntu 7.10 ISO or packages of the KDE4 JUST AFTER the release?
[02:15] <stdin> lemke: this is a testing version with 4.0.0, please report your findings to #kubuntu-devel or #kubuntu-testers http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/releases/gutsy/kde4/
[02:15] <stdin> d0b: look in the menu on the bottom right section of the login screen
[02:16] <lemke> Alredy? nice! thnks!
[02:16] <stdin> it may not be perfect yet, so please report issues :)
[02:17] <lemke> yeah
[02:18] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: i didn't understand what you wrote to me...and did u see my post
[02:18] <lemke> it is the rc2 release?
[02:18] <stdin> lemke: no 4.0.0 release
[02:19] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: don't use a root password, just use sudo to gain root access
[02:19] <lemke> alredy? but there is nothing new at kde.org
[02:21] <stdin> lemke: the packages are being tar'd up and distributed to mirrors around the world, it takes time. when that's done kde.org will be updated
[02:21] <wayneward_> how we get 4.0.0 release for ubuntu
[02:21] <adamonline45> lol that's what I came in to see
[02:21] <wayneward_> lol
[02:22] <wayneward_> could do with it tonight !
[02:22] <stdin> the packages are in the kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA now, they should be in gutsy-backports by tomorrow
[02:22] <lemke> stdin: ok
[02:22] <wayneward_> oh thats ok
[02:22] <wayneward_> wicked
[02:22] <stdin> I'll update the topic later, when I feel comfortable with it
[02:22] <tlsarles> How do you add a new pannel with KDE4?
[02:22] <wayneward_> show just apt-get update and apt-get install it
[02:23] <stdin> tlsarles: not sure, ask in #kde
[02:23] <wayneward_> ok ill take a look see what they say
[02:23] <stdin> wayneward_: yeah, add the repository and install kde4-core
[02:23] <d0b> stdin: thanks ! ))
[02:23] <stdin> d0b: was that the problem then?
[02:24] <d0b> stdin: yes
[02:24] <stdin> isn't it annoying when the problem is so simple but you have no idea where it actually is? :p
[02:25] <d0b> )
[02:27] <wayneward_> no answers yet im installing one of repos now so hopefully should notify me to update?? hopefully!!...
[02:27] <wayneward_> ill stay tuned on here
[02:28] <adamonline45> stdin: You mentioned just adding 'the repository' and apt-getting kde4-core.  Do you know what I should add in my sources.list?
[02:28] <stdin> same as it was for RC2: "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main"
[02:29]  * stdin moves the text to annoy everyone copying&pasting
[02:29] <d0b> is KDE 4 allready relised ???
[02:30] <stdin> yes and no, I hope that answers your question
[02:30] <stdin> :)
[02:31] <d0b> what do you mean "yes and no" ? )
[02:31] <stdin> I mean "yes it is" and "no it isn't", all at the same time
[02:31] <adamonline45> As in, it's available if you know how to get it?
[02:32] <adamonline45> or as in, RC2, not 4.0.0?
[02:32] <articpenguin3800> is kde4 packaged yet?
[02:32] <stdin> no, we do have 4.0.0
[02:32] <stdin> it just hasn't been officially announced
[02:33] <stdin> *yet
[02:33] <adamonline45> stdin: Oh okay.  I've been watching the news all day at school waiting for some word :D
[02:33] <stdin> here's our stance: "we have it now, but it's not "released" until kde.org says so"
[02:33]  * adamonline45 is excited about ditching compiz fusion for some mild compositor stuff
[02:34] <adamonline45> stdin: Got it.  Where have I seen your name before?  Did you make the packages or something for Kubuntu?
[02:34] <articpenguin3800> its not in the repos yet?
[02:34] <stdin> adamonline45: I did the packages from previous releases of kde4, yes
[02:35] <adamonline45> stdin: Gotcha... Nice to meet you!  And thanks :)
[02:35] <stdin> it's not in the archive.ubuntu.com ones for gutsy yet, no
[02:36] <articpenguin3800> i will compile kde 4 then =)
[02:36] <stdin> articpenguin3800: why?
[02:36] <Downix> hey all
[02:36] <articpenguin3800> i jus bored
[02:36]  * stdin points articpenguin3800 to "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu gutsy main"
[02:36] <d0b> stdin: so can i install kde 4 now ?
[02:36] <Downix> I can't find libqt-dev for kubuntu!
[02:36] <stdin> d0b: indeededooby
[02:36] <Downix> it references it, but can't seem to find it
[02:37] <stdin> Downix: try libqt4-dev :)
[02:37] <Downix> ok, I'll be quiet now
[02:38] <d0b> stdin: sorry, but i don't understand )
[02:38] <stdin> d0b: "indeedydooby" is my way of saying "yes" ;)
[02:38] <d0b> stdin: my english is so bad )
[02:38] <stdin> made up of "indeed" with a "de" on the end and a "dooby" after it
[02:39] <Pici> d0b: My english is good and I had no idea what he was talking about.
[02:39] <stdin> no one ever does, and I'm ok with that :)
[02:39] <d0b> Pici: )
[02:39] <d0b> stdin: )))
[02:40] <d0b> stdin: and how install it ? what repositories and so on ?
[02:40] <seezer> stdin: will i get a "indeedydooby" if i ask "is it advisable to try a upgrade to hardy by changing sources.list and apt-get dist-upgrade yet"
[02:40] <stdin> seezer: no, you'll get a "nopeydooby"
[02:41] <stdin> unless you *really know what you're doing*, don't use hardy yet
[02:41] <LjL> seezer, for starters, it's not safe to upgrade to hardy at all, since hardly is hardly (pun intended) ready for production use. second, no, upgrading should be done using the update manager
[02:41] <Skyblast> I have Hardy in the VM... It is alphatastic. Don't use it for daily work or anything important
[02:43] <seezer> LjL: that's ok for me. but the update manager.. i missed installing that thingy..
[02:44] <seezer> but went fine from edgy to feisty via apt upgrades
[02:44] <LjL> !upgrade
[02:44] <ubotu> For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes
[02:44] <seezer> this gutsy was a fresh install
[02:44] <Downix> ok, libqt-dev still didn't have qwidget.h
[02:44] <Downix> hmm
[02:45] <Jucato> Downix: qt3 or qt4?
[02:45] <Downix> I just put qt4 on
[02:45] <stdin> you sure you set your include path, or use qmake-qt4?
[02:46] <Downix> thought I had
[02:46] <Jucato> Downix: yes, but what is it you're trying to compile? does it need qt3 or qt4?
[02:46] <Downix> I'm not sure why it needs qt at all
[02:47] <Downix> it's a CLI utility for converting source file
[02:47] <Jucato> then it shouldn't be looking for qwidget... :/
[02:47] <Downix> I know, I'm quite boggled
[02:47] <Downix> but there's the missing files
[02:48] <stdin> maybe it uses QString (I know I'm tempted to use QString in CLI apps)
[02:48] <Downix> mydebug.h:21:21: error: qwidget.h: No such file or directory
[02:48] <Downix> mydebug.h:22:25: error: qpushbutton.h: No such file or directory
[02:48] <Downix> mydebug.h:23:27: error: qmultilinedit.h: No such file or directory
[02:48] <Downix> mydebug.cpp:19:19: error: qfile.h: No such file or directory
[02:48] <Downix> mydebug.cpp:20:25: error: qtextstream.h: No such file or directory
[02:48] <Downix> mydebug.cpp:21:21: error: qstring.h: No such file or directory
[02:48] <Jucato> it's obviously a GUI thing... but next time please use a pastebin Downix
[02:49] <Downix> sorry, forgot to grab one
[02:49] <Downix> my goof
[02:49] <Jucato> Downix: can you give a link to that app? so we can check what Qt version it uses?
[02:49] <stdin> are you sure it's qt4 not qt3, usually Qt4 includes are Capitalised
[02:49]  * Jucato almost bets it's qt3
[02:49] <Qrawl> ok... so.... how do I get KDE4
[02:50] <Downix> http://www.len.ro/work/v2vhdl
[02:50] <Jucato> Qrawl: um.. you wait?
[02:50] <stdin> give me $5 and I'll tell :)
[02:50] <Qrawl> Jucato, it just came out
[02:50] <Jucato> Qrawl: but the Kubuntu packages haven't yet
[02:50] <Qrawl> do you have PayPal
[02:50] <Qrawl> ok
[02:50] <Jucato> unless you want to compile from source code...
[02:50] <Qrawl> yes, I do
[02:51] <Qrawl> not want to do that
[02:51] <Jucato> "The graphic interface was created using Qt v1.45 widgets, compiled using moc (Meta Object Compiler)" wth? O.o
[02:52] <ardchoille> Jucato: heh, kinda outdated?
[02:53] <mitch_> I launch Banshee in Kubuntu, it it runs fine. However, it gives this error message: Your environment is not properly set up to use DBus. Please fix your environment or run Banshee through dbus-launch. How do I launch it through dbus-launch?
[02:53] <stdin> Downix: edit the the qt_client/Makefile and change "-I/usr/include/qt" to "-I/usr/include/qt3!
[02:53] <stdin> * "-I/usr/include/qt" to "-I/usr/include/qt3"
[02:53] <Jucato> ardchoille: very...
[02:53] <Downix> ok
[02:54] <Jucato> stdin: I don't think Qt 3 is source or binary compatible with Qt 1?
[02:54] <stdin> the only date I see is 2004, should be using 3
[02:55] <Jucato> stdin: maybe it changed... but then the front page says Qt 1.x
[02:55] <Downix> down to missing qconfig.h and qmodules.h
[02:56] <stdin> you have libqt3-mt-dev?
[02:56]  * Jucato doesn't think he has.. because was told to install libqt4-dev only
[02:56] <Downix> nope, aptitude'ing now
[02:56] <stdin> hmm, but then why did the other errors go away?
[02:58] <Downix> I had libqt3-headers
[02:58] <Downix> ok, now down to one missing file, qmultilinedit.h
[02:58] <stdin> libqt3-compat-headers
[02:59] <Jucato> stdin: maybe when you gave him the -I flag
[02:59] <Downix> this is fun
[03:00] <adamonline45> Quick question... How do I boot into KDE4?
[03:01] <Downix> now it's /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lqt
[03:01] <stdin> with KDM, choose KDE 4 from the menu
[03:02] <adamonline45> stdin: Where do I find kdm?
[03:02] <stdin> Downix: change "-lqt" to "-lqt-mt" in the Makefile
[03:02] <stdin> adamonline45: it's the login screen
[03:02] <VoksD> Did anyone try adding in KDE4 yet?  I'm getting install issues left and right.
[03:03] <stdin> VoksD: post them to postebin so we can see them
[03:03] <Downix> ln: creating symbolic link `../qt_client/qtvl' to `./bin/qtvl': No such file or directory
[03:03] <Downix> grr
[03:05] <VoksD> stdin: I'd rather spare you the long list, but they all seem to give (using apt-get): trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde4/share/kde4/services/somefile', which is also in package kde4base-data"
[03:06] <VoksD> A lot of packages trying to overwrite some file which is already in kde4base-data
[03:06] <VoksD> (not just one file, but a whole bunch)
[03:06] <Downix> ok, easy fix
[03:07] <stdin> Downix: yeah, just reverser the ln -s line
[03:07] <Downix> yup
[03:07] <Qrawl> if I install KDE4 this way:  http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php     will I be at a disadvantage?  or will the results be exactly the same as waiting for backport
[03:08] <stdin> VoksD: you have (at the latest) kde beta packages. you should have removed them
[03:08] <VoksD> damn, I was sure I'd removed all the previous stuff properly
[03:08] <VoksD> After I saw those errors I tried best as I could to just purge everything related to kde4 and doing a clean install, but apparently I didn't  do that right.
[03:08] <stdin> VoksD: try "aptitude remove $(dpkg -l |egrep '(4:4.0.0|4:3.9[0-9])'|awk '{print $2}') kdebase-bin-kde3+"
[03:09] <stdin> with sudo though
[03:09] <Jucato> Folks, just so you should know, KDE 4.0 isn't officially released yet. So we're still waiting for the go signal. and some small changes might happen in between that time. So follow that link at your own risk for now :)
[03:09] <BluesKaj> howdy folks , what's the word on Krusader File Manager ?
[03:09] <VoksD> stdin: This will not touch my kde3.5.8, right?
[03:09] <Qrawl> Jucato, ok
[03:09] <Qrawl> I'll wait
[03:09] <stdin> VoksD: it will install the new kde3 packages (which you will need), but that's it
[03:10] <Downix> now to see if this thing works
[03:10] <VoksD> fair enuff
[03:10] <jcsgkfyiji> is there a terminal command to list my current ip address or addresses if i have multiple adapters configured and connected to differnt things?
[03:10] <Qrawl> did I post something forbidden
[03:11] <stdin> jcsgkfyiji: ifconfig
[03:11] <jcsgkfyiji> hate to sound like a retard how do you exit a man page?
[03:11] <BluesKaj> !Krusader
[03:11] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about krusader - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:12] <VoksD> jcsgkfyiji: If in the console, just hit 'q'
[03:12] <BluesKaj> !info Krusader
[03:12] <ubotu> krusader: twin-panel (commander-style) file manager for KDE (and other desktops). In component universe, is optional. Version 1.80.0-1 (gutsy), package size 3102 kB, installed size 8736 kB
[03:12] <jcsgkfyiji> thanks
[03:13] <VoksD> jcsgkfyiji: Since you're in KDE you might find it more readable to type 'man:/ifconfig', or whatever manpage you want, in the run menu or konqueror
[03:14] <jcsgkfyiji> in the konqueror address bar? cool!
[03:14] <VoksD> yeah :D
[03:14] <Jucato> single / would do
[03:14] <Jucato> or no / even (man:konqueror)
[03:14] <VoksD> :o
[03:14] <Jucato> there's even info:/ and help:/
[03:15] <stdin> konqueror can do everything you want it to do, even some thing you don't :)
[03:15] <VoksD> hehe
[03:15] <BluesKaj> seems to work for all kinds of apps
[03:15] <Jucato> well it doesn't do IRC yet.. so no...
[03:15] <Jucato> :D
[03:15] <VoksD> I absolutely love Konqy, they've done a very good job with it.
[03:15] <stdin> maybe sho_ should make an IRC KPart :P
[03:15] <jcsgkfyiji> I just learned about sftp://myname@host for ssh, nice and webdavs://
[03:16] <ubuntu_> has anyone here used gnome and kde, and which one you like?
[03:16] <kubuntu> Hey, i have a problem with KDM, i changed the theme to SuperNature and it's still cahrging with the default one, and in a resolution of 1152x(other), and my monitor only supports up to 1024x728, how can if ix those problems?
[03:16] <VoksD> ubuntu_: Used both, preferred KDE.
[03:16] <Downix> well it's running, but man it's sloooow
[03:16] <Jucato> stdin: in my dreams! :)
[03:16] <stdin> ubuntu_: this is #kubuntu, guess what we like :p
[03:16] <VoksD> hehe
[03:16] <Downix> doesn't help that it's... huge
[03:17] <jcsgkfyiji> ubuntu gnome is pretty and very to use if you doing light work, but if your really going to use your computer use kde, it's much more powerful!
[03:17] <ubuntu_> yeah i knoiw what channel im in, im running this off cd right now, been using ubuntu. kde has some nice desktop switching etc.. but not sure what i want to run
[03:18] <stdin> well you can run gnome apps in kde and kde apps in gnome, so it whatever you prefer
[03:18] <holycow2> is kde4 rc2 or rc3 yet? i thought it was rc3
[03:18] <ubuntu_> yeah, anyone here using 8.04 yet?
[03:18] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> hi how can i make  Ktorrent 2.2.1 to autorun automatically every time i start session in kde? im using kubuntu gutsy gibbon
[03:18] <stdin> holycow2: 4.0.0 is due today
[03:19] <stdin> !autostart | asdfasdfasdfasdf
[03:19] <ubotu> asdfasdfasdfasdf: To make programs autostart with your KDE session, you can make a link to it in ~/.kde/Autostart. The package 'kcontrol-autostart' makes a kcontrol item for handling items in that directory.
[03:19] <jcsgkfyiji> ubuntu_: use knoqueror to manage files and then try the gnome nautilus and you whill have made up your mind, nautilus is awful, no offence to any gnome fans.
[03:20] <GoetzC> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde-4.0.php
[03:20] <VoksD> ubuntu_: And if you're of the kind who loves two-pane file commanders, or used Norton Commander or UFO back in the days, you'll find Krusader (which is made for KDE) really pleasant.
[03:21] <kubuntu> Soo, should i reinstall KDM?
[03:21] <notv> whats the best C++ IDE for gnome?
[03:21] <VoksD> ubuntu_: As far as I can tell from personal experience and memory, Konqueror is better than what ships with Gnome, and KDE is a bit more responsive than Gnome (that may be entirely subjective).. plus KDE can be controlled with dcop, which is a gib plus.
[03:21] <stdin> GoetzC: until that hits the kubuntu.org front page, it's not "official"
[03:21] <stdin> notv: 1) there is no "best" 2) try asking in #ubuntu
[03:21] <notv> i like dolphin more than konqueror
[03:22] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> was kde 4 laucnhed? it says today can i download it now?
[03:22] <notv> stdin, i know and i am already
[03:22] <VoksD> asdfasdfasdfasdf: Yes, you can.
[03:22] <Downix> notv: EMACS
[03:22] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> i mean the final version
[03:22] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> not rc2
[03:22] <Qrawl> #KDE4-Release-Party
[03:22] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> lol
[03:23] <notv> hm
[03:23] <Jucato> seriously, that's the channel
[03:23] <notv> emacs is all black. is that just a setting thing?
[03:23] <notv> what about eclipse?
[03:23] <Qrawl> ok. so once the Kubuntu version of KDE4 is ready, how will we upgrade
[03:23] <stdin> Qrawl: did you install RC2?
[03:24] <Qrawl> I uninstalled that a few minutes ago
[03:24] <stdin> Qrawl: it'll be a similar install procedure
[03:25] <Qrawl> stdin, I will PM you the link Im using
[03:25] <holycow2> stdin aha danke
[03:25] <Qrawl> will that be the official way to upgrade?
[03:26] <stdin> Qrawl: if nothing goes wrong with the packages, it will
[03:26] <Qrawl> but its going to be backported
[03:26] <holycow2> so to install ... i need to enable the hardy repos?
[03:26] <Qrawl> will that change anything?
[03:27] <stdin> Qrawl: no, same packages as what will be backported
[03:27] <secleinteer> will the final version of kde4 available in the gutsy backports?
[03:27] <Qrawl> ty
[03:27] <stdin> holycow2: no, the'll be in the kubuntu-members-kde4 PPA and will filter into gutsy-backports
[03:27] <Qrawl> yes
[03:28] <holycow2> ohhh thank you.  will installing the rc from the topic interfere with the backport?
[03:28] <holycow2> well i guess not, its just going to be higher version packages
[03:30] <stdin> *KDE4 status: There are packages in the PPA but KDE 4.0.0 isn't "officially" released until kde.org says so, also remember the PPA repository has a limited bandwidth so download will be slow if everyone jumps and gets them now.
[03:31] <stdin> if you have install RC2 then there shouldn't be a problem, just don't jump all over the packages. if you haven't (or uninstalled it) then wait a while longer.
[03:31] <Downix> and it can't read the Verilog code... lovely
[03:31] <holycow2> okay no problem.  i was toying around with it on another box earlier today, it's so beautiful it hurts to use gnome or kde3
[03:34] <Qrawl> KDE4 is only 158mb??
[03:35] <secleinteer> what, do you want it to be 3+ gb like vista?
[03:35] <Qrawl> lol
[03:36] <Qrawl> I want to make sure Im doing this correctly
[03:36] <hydrogen> its more than 158 mb..
[03:36] <_gtt_> anyone got irkick setup ?
[03:36] <secleinteer> it might be just the base software
[03:36] <Qrawl> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!    <[03:36] <secleinteer> w/o any of the programs
[03:36] <secleinteer> Qrawl: yeah that's fine
[03:36] <hydrogen> though maybe not compressed
[03:36] <Qrawl> ty
[03:37] <Jucato> "note that PPAs aren't authenticated so you will likely get a warning when installing"
[03:37] <secleinteer> Qrawl: where are you installing from?
[03:37] <_gtt_> !irkick
[03:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about irkick - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:37] <_gtt_> !infrared
[03:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about infrared - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:37] <_gtt_> !lirc
[03:37] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about lirc - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[03:37] <_gtt_> what good is that thing
[03:37] <Qrawl> various places
[03:37] <Qrawl> mainly ppa
[03:37] <Jay-Oh-En> !purekde
[03:37] <ubotu> purekde is If you want to remove all !Gnome packages and have a default !Kubuntu system follow the instructions here « https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PureKDE »
[03:38] <secleinteer> Qrawl: what's ppa?
[03:38] <stdin> !ppa
[03:38] <_gtt_> personal package archives
[03:38] <ubotu> With Launchpad's Personal Package Archives (PPA), you can build and publish binary Ubuntu packages for multiple architectures simply by uploading an Ubuntu source package to Launchpad. See https://help.launchpad.net/PPAQuickStart.
[03:38] <secleinteer> ty
[03:38] <Qrawl> launchpad
[03:38] <secleinteer> well i'd rather not install random crap that people ul
[03:38] <secleinteer> i'll wait lol
[03:39] <_gtt_> it's not forced upon you...
[03:39] <secleinteer> i know lol
[03:39] <Qrawl> wink wink
[03:39] <secleinteer> i didn't know i was giving the impression that i felt forced
[03:39] <stdin> secleinteer: 1) it's not random thank you very much, 2) when the announcement comes it will be from a PPA
[03:40] <secleinteer> stdin: it seems like anyone can upload a deb to launchpad as a 'ppa'
[03:40] <secleinteer> maybe i will apt-get build-dep kde4 and compile :D
[03:40] <stdin> secleinteer: to *their* ppa, yes
[03:40] <secleinteer> stdin: so is there an 'official' ppa?
[03:40] <stdin> the one we use can only be uploaded to by 3 people, including myself
[03:41] <Jucato> secleinteer: not everyone can upload to any ppa
[03:41] <stdin> not even Jucato can upload to ours :P
[03:41] <secleinteer> stdin: so where is this official ppa?
[03:41] <hydrogen> er.. it's still random people as far as joe user is concerned
[03:41]  * seezer falls asleep. bye
[03:41] <Jucato> only certain people can upload to certain ppa's. of course a PPA owner can upload to his own ppa
[03:41] <secleinteer> Jucato: yeah, but i didn't know there was an organized ppa
[03:41] <Jucato> hydrogen: developers are random people as far as joe user is concerned :)
[03:41] <stdin> secleinteer: we'll tell you when we feel comfortable releasing the packages, it'll be in the topic
[03:41] <Jucato> (that would make you random too :P)
[03:41] <secleinteer> stdin: :(
[03:42] <Qrawl> the official one is a secret
[03:42] <hydrogen> saying "its not random because I upload to it" doesn't lend it any more credibility
[03:42] <stdin> *Note: When KDE 4.0.0 comes out we'll updates the topic with the link to get it, please wait until then so we can insure you get an easy and safe install*
[03:42] <secleinteer> http://ppa.launchpad.net/kubuntu-members-kde4/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/
[03:42] <secleinteer> XD
[03:42] <Jucato> hydrogen: point?
[03:42] <Qrawl> until the official word is out
[03:42] <secleinteer> did i just find it? :P
[03:42] <stdin> hydrogen: does when I say it :)
[03:42] <Qrawl> so just wait
[03:42] <stdin> secleinteer: please wait until we say it's ok, and don't post the link
[03:43] <secleinteer> stdin: it's even on kubuntu.org
[03:43] <stdin> on the front page?
[03:43] <secleinteer> on the kde4 rc2 announcement
[03:43]  * feffer is back.
[03:43] <secleinteer> i googled 'kubuntu ppa' and it was the fifth link
[03:43] <stdin> then it's not announced yet
[03:44] <stdin> !away > feffer
[03:44] <secleinteer> yeah, but it's not like people can't find it
[03:44] <secleinteer> w/e, i'll wait i guess
[03:44] <hydrogen> I'm really not certain why people are so excited to get their hands on kde4 anyways..
[03:44] <Qrawl> ??????????
[03:44] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> stdin, that means you guys are making a nice step by step howto install easy for the newbies like me? ^^
[03:44] <secleinteer> there were enough bugs when i ran beta 4 in vmware
[03:44] <secleinteer> not gonna try an unstable version now
[03:44] <holycow2> hydrogen, have you seen it?
[03:44] <stdin> secleinteer: doesn't matter, it's up to you if you want to try but we can't guarantee anything
[03:44] <hydrogen> holycow2: I'm using it
[03:45] <stdin> asdfasdfasdfasdf: we are yes :)
[03:45] <secleinteer> hydrogen: it's not really done, but users have to start using it at some point
[03:45] <holycow2> lol
[03:45] <secleinteer> stdin: no OSS is 'guaranteed' anyway, so that doesn't bother me
[03:45] <secleinteer> i'll wait for nice instructions though
[03:45] <holycow2> its so easy on the eyes from my perspective, it hurts to use gnome
[03:45] <Qrawl> as long as its better than Alpha 1
[03:45] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> stdin, lol xD
[03:45] <secleinteer> yes, gnome hurts me eyes too
[03:45] <stdin> secleinteer: then just don't post links to it in here, whatever else you do is up to you
[03:45] <secleinteer> my*
[03:46] <secleinteer> stdin: alright, i won't post any more links XD
[03:46] <holycow2> also
[03:46] <holycow2> kde4 is the first time i've trully been inspired by a desktop environment
[03:46] <secleinteer> when i see gtk, i want to throw up :D
[03:46] <holycow2> its not complete but the bits that are there have a certain something extra to them
[03:46] <Qrawl> are you using it now
[03:46] <holycow2> i can't describe it but it feels like it was created by people that care
[03:46] <holycow2> thats just makes me want to start using it an help out
[03:47] <Qrawl> I like the feel of GNOME actually
[03:47]  * Jucato points to http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174
[03:47] <secleinteer> nooooo
[03:47] <secleinteer> gnome == :(
[03:47] <Qrawl> 69%
[03:48] <wesley> lol bashing gnome
[03:48] <secleinteer> and i've used it, too
[03:48] <Aulus> I can't find the standard sources.list file for gutsy. Might someone have one?
[03:48] <secleinteer> when i first moved to linux
[03:48] <secleinteer> Aulus: check ubuntuguide.org
[03:49] <stdin> Aulus: see /use/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list
[03:49] <Jucato> !easysource
[03:49] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[03:49] <syazdani> does anybody know where is wpa_passphrase?
[03:49] <stdin> in wpasupplicant
[03:49] <Jucato> like a password to connect to the network right?
[03:50] <syazdani> hmm, it doesn't seem to be there.
[03:50] <syazdani> Maybe I need to reinstall it.
[03:50] <stdin> !find wpa_passphrase
[03:50] <ubotu> File wpa_passphrase found in wpasupplicant
[03:50] <Jucato> ah ok.. it's a command :P
[03:50] <wesley> yeah gnome sound standaard thats why many people use it
[03:50] <Jucato> is wpasupplicant installed?
[03:51] <syazdani> It seems to be.
[03:52] <syazdani> wpa was working before.
[03:56] <zetheroo> do the effects in KDE4 work with the fglrx drovers?
[03:56] <zetheroo> drivers
[03:56] <nixternal> nope
[03:56] <nixternal> if they do, I don't know how to get them working
[03:57] <Jay-Oh-En> zetheroo: if they dont it doesnt look like im gonig to be able to use KDE4
[03:57] <eatThisAndDie> guys, is there anything in Ubuntu like 'service (red hat) or start-stop-daemon
[03:57] <Jay-Oh-En> is there a kde program like gimp
[03:57] <zetheroo> nixternal: why would it not work?
[03:57] <nixternal> eatThisAndDie: which daemon are you trying to stop?
[03:57] <holycow2> eatThisAndDie /etc/init.d/servicename start/stop
[03:57] <nixternal> Jay-Oh-En: nothing like Gimp, sorry
[03:57] <Jay-Oh-En> dang
[03:58] <secleinteer> Jay-Oh-En: krita
[03:58] <zetheroo> nixternal: is it because of xgl?
[03:58] <nixternal> eatThisAndDie: exactly what holycow2 said :)
[03:58] <genii> eatThisAndDie: sudo /etc/init.d/<appname> start/stop/restart/reload
[03:58] <eatThisAndDie> yeah, i know that works, nixternal,
[03:58] <Jay-Oh-En> secleinteer: krita?
[03:58] <nixternal> zetheroo: people have gotten their radeons to work I believe, I just haven't looked much into it
[03:58] <Qrawl> Errors were encountered while processing:
[03:58] <Qrawl>  /var/cache/apt/archives/kdebase-runtime-data_4%3a4.0.0-0ubuntu1~gutsy1~ppa1_all.deb
[03:58] <Qrawl> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[03:58] <secleinteer> Jay-Oh-En: yeah, it's a image editing program
[03:58] <holycow2> so whats the problem then?
[03:58] <eatThisAndDie> but well... i;m just used to being lazy and going 'service' ;)
[03:58] <nixternal> krita is far from Gimp unfortunately
[03:58] <Jay-Oh-En> secleinteer: thanks is it hard to use?
[03:58] <holycow2> so setup an alias
[03:58] <eatThisAndDie> hmmmm... thats an idea
[03:59] <holycow2> gimp is just amazin, i've been teaching noobs to use it all week
[03:59] <holycow2> they love it
[03:59] <stdin> you can do "sudo invoke-rc.d <service> <action>"
[03:59] <secleinteer> Jay-Oh-En: don't know, i've never used it. there's also kolourpaint, if you want something simpler, similar to M$ paint
[03:59] <Jay-Oh-En> holycow2: im so good in it
[03:59] <Qrawl> stdin, me?
[03:59] <secleinteer> holycow2: gimp is weird :D
[03:59] <Jay-Oh-En> secleinteer: i want something more along the lines of photoshop
[03:59] <stdin> Qrawl: no, you can post the output of "sudo apt-get -f install" to pastebin though
[03:59] <holycow2> Jay-Oh-En isn't it amazing when you can just run around in gimp without thinking how you did it? then when someone asks you how you did it you haveto think?
[03:59] <zetheroo> nixternal: but is there any documentation on the subject of which cards work and which do not etc?
[03:59] <secleinteer> Jay-Oh-En: well krita should be ok for most purposes
[04:00] <holycow2> the zen of gimp! lol :)
[04:00] <Qrawl> stdin, ok
[04:00] <holycow2> Jay-Oh-En oh you mean, your NOT good in it?
[04:00] <Jay-Oh-En> holycow2: yeah i hate having to explain it
[04:00] <nixternal> zetheroo: if there is, I haven't looked into it...but if you find something, please point me in that direction as well so I can get the effects working on my desktop
[04:00] <nixternal> kde4 works perfectly on radeon drivers, it just doesn't kick in the effects
[04:00] <Jay-Oh-En> holycow2: i am good in gimp
[04:00] <holycow2> oh i didn't understand your hpotoshop comment
[04:01] <holycow2> i want gimp to move as far away from ps as possible
[04:01] <Jay-Oh-En> holycow2: why
[04:01] <holycow2> its problem is that its so close to ps but not exactly 100% that users have a problem transposing their skills
[04:01] <holycow2> they get confused
[04:01] <holycow2> they think 'oh just like photoshop, everything i know should work'
[04:01] <holycow2> and it can't
[04:01] <Jay-Oh-En> secleinteer: krita looks like a kids programs
[04:01] <eatThisAndDie> hmmm... just found out that 'service' is available in debian-helper-scripts package
[04:01] <Qrawl> stdin, that seems to be working
[04:02] <secleinteer> Jay-Oh-En: it's the best there is :D
[04:02] <stdin> nixternal: tried with XRender (kwin composite that is)?
[04:02] <nixternal> I have never used PS, so I guess I am lucky...I just know Gimp, and it actually makes me look like I know what I am doing with very limited skills or know-how
[04:02] <nixternal> stdin: no I haven't
[04:02] <secleinteer> Jay-Oh-En: if you really want all the features of photoshop, it won't happen
[04:02] <eatThisAndDie> apparently in kubuntu, if there is a program tat is available in the package but i dont have it then it shows me where to get it from.
[04:02] <holycow2> nixternal actually you are VERY lucky
[04:02] <holycow2> i've taught gimp to ps users
[04:02] <nixternal> I use KDE 4 on my Intel setup...it just works and it works flawlessly
[04:02] <stdin> nixternal: it works great on my lowly intel chip :)
[04:02] <nixternal> hehe, yup
[04:02] <holycow2> its a huge problem, once they learn ps they have one hell of a hard time learning anything else
[04:02] <secleinteer> Jay-Oh-En: you might be interested in http://www.fsckin.com/2007/10/29/how-to-run-microsoft-outlook-natively-on-linux-using-virtualbox/ in that case
[04:02] <secleinteer> Jay-Oh-En: it says it's for outlook, but works for anything
[04:02] <holycow2> ps is like a brain lobotomy for graphic designers it seems to me, its a eird thing
[04:03] <secleinteer> except games
[04:04] <julian> Does anyone know where is the kubuntu gutsy release with kde 4.0?
[04:04] <Jay-Oh-En> secleinteer , holycow2, i dont im just saying i used to be pro in photoshop making websites blah blah blah you name it i did it but in gimp its giving me problems because i used to be so good and used to ps that its hard for me to learn a new program but im still 100 percent better then all of my friends in gimp
[04:04] <eatThisAndDie> is kde 4 available already? i thought it was still in  RC?
[04:05] <stdin> eatThisAndDie: 4.0.0 is due today
[04:05] <julian> because kubuntu hardy alpha3 comes with it!!!!!!!!!
[04:05] <wesley> stdin will there come a live cd out from gutsy with kde4 ?
[04:05] <holycow2> Jay-Oh-En thats what i mean
[04:05] <julian> it is avaliable riagt now!!
[04:05] <holycow2> ps users cannot learn new apps
[04:05] <secleinteer> Jay-Oh-En: well gimp is the closest you'll get in terms of featureset compared to photoshop
[04:05] <holycow2> its a huge problem for them
[04:05] <stdin> wesley: there will
[04:05] <holycow2> i can take a noob from 0 to 80 in no time flat tho
[04:05] <stdin> julian: no it doesn't
[04:06] <wesley> stdin just like the kde3 version wich we can set to harddisk?
[04:06] <julian> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/HardyHeron/Alpha3/Kubuntu#head-a59c16f0f8d513281c6cc655a4adc998a1f98997
[04:06] <stdin> wesley: should be
[04:06] <wesley> okay
[04:06] <stdin> Jucato: that doesn't sat it will come with it by default
[04:07] <stdin> julian:  that doesn't sat it will come with it by default
[04:07] <stdin> not Jucato :p
[04:07] <hagabaka> something's wrong with my kdesudo...it looks like a not-responding window, but it accepts keyboard input after a lag. and the OK Cancel buttons don't display. has anyone else had that issue?
[04:07] <jcsgkfyiji> I am attempting to write a shell script to automate the installation of a bunch of stuff on new systems so I don't need to do it manually. I am not sure how, or if this is possible, is there a way to take input form a command, for instance if I want to run hostname and then use the output form hostname as a wildcard, ive been googling and all i can figure out is how to take input form the user.
[04:07] <eatThisAndDie> ok, another thing. is there anyhing like chkconfig on ubuntu?
[04:08] <wesley> only kdepim-kde4 got a break
[04:08] <stdin> eatThisAndDie: what does it do?
[04:08] <julian> "KDE 4.0.0 was released on January 11th and promptly packaged for both Hardy Heron and the Gutsy Gibbon"
[04:08] <Jay-Oh-En> will kde4 work with my machine
[04:08] <eatThisAndDie> sets programs that runs on different runlevels
[04:08] <stdin> julian: and what part of that says "and will be installed by default" ?
[04:08] <eatThisAndDie> (ckconfig that is)
[04:08] <Jay-Oh-En> julian: todays the 10th
[04:08] <stdin> !bum
[04:08] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[04:09] <stdin> julian: that will do it ^
[04:09] <eatThisAndDie> thanks stdin
[04:09] <stdin> julian: so no default kde4 for you, not yet anyway
[04:10] <eatThisAndDie> dude.... typing 'man bum' is JUST so wrong.
[04:10] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: how do you figure out if kde4 will work for you
[04:10] <genii> eatThisAndDie: Since on ubuntu runlevels 2 thru 5 are the same now it doesn't seem to matter much about setting them
[04:10] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: try it and see, that's about the only way
[04:10] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: will it ruin my computer?
[04:10] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: does kde3?
[04:10] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: thats if it doesnt work
[04:11] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: no
[04:11] <stdin> then neither will kde4 ruin it :)
[04:11] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: is it full version now , not the beta?
[04:12] <genii> rc=release candidate beta= pre release candidate version
[04:12] <stdin> it's the 1st release, but no one is saying it's not bug free. it's considered "stable enough for now"
[04:12] <burner> can anyone seed hardy alpha 3?  i have 1 peer for 8kpbs currently
[04:12] <stdin> until 4.1.0 comes out
[04:12] <eatThisAndDie> genii: it is? I'll probably set runlevel 3 and 4 to not have X though,
[04:13] <genii> eatThisAndDie: Yes, 2 thru 5 are all now equiv to 3
[04:13] <eatThisAndDie> i see i'm at runlevel 2, thats the default then
[04:13] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin:  are you going to run it?
[04:13] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: I have it open in anther display now
[04:14] <genii> eatThisAndDie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Runlevel#Debian_Linux
[04:14] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: any bugs for you?
[04:14] <wesley> meta pack kde4 not ready?
[04:14] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: not yet, but I need to dive it fully to seee
[04:14] <burner> i thought i heard alpha 3 had kde4 in it
[04:15] <stdin> wesley:  3.1~gutsy1~ppa1 should be out
[04:15] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: whats the package to install
[04:15] <eatThisAndDie> genii: yeah i remember that now... my debian had to be manually config'd, i just assumed it was like that cuz i installed it from the netinst CD
[04:15] <wesley> it says break
[04:15] <stdin> wesley: I suggest "kde4-core" over "kde4" for now
[04:15] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: you'll just have to install "kde4-core" and it'll pull everything you need
[04:16] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: once i go to kde4 will i be able to go back to kde3
[04:16] <wesley> ive misspelled something in konsple
[04:16] <genii> bbiab, need to change sessions
[04:16] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: E: Couldn't find package kde4-core
[04:16] <wesley> ive i installe kde4-core will i have everthing?
[04:17] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: yes, you'll have kde4 and kde3 installed, your kde3 install will be untouched. It's not "officially" released yet, just wait
[04:17] <stdin> wesley: you'll have a functioning kde4 desktop with it, there are other packages splattered about too. browse adept
[04:17] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: should i update my computer to see if they added the package? or is that not the case
[04:18] <wesley> i have my line already only misspelled
[04:18] <julian> burner: I heard the same thing
[04:18] <heatmzzr> hello all
[04:18] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: they will be in a special repository while then drip into gutsy-backports, but you'll have to install separately. it won't update kde3
[04:18] <heatmzzr> this kde IS pretty cool
[04:19] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: im sorry but i didnt understand that sentence lol
[04:19] <burner> julian: i'm downloading, but the torrent is painful right now
[04:20] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: anyways will i be notified when kde4 is released?
[04:20] <heatmzzr> does kubuntu automatically update like ubuntu does?
[04:20] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: if you have RC2 installed then you'll get notified of updates. if not then there will be install instructions in the topic (when it's out)
[04:20] <genii> Nice. Just logged into first kde4 session since I gave up on it for a while.
[04:20]  * genii tinkers
[04:20] <wesley> j
[04:21] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: thats all i needed to here thanks
[04:21] <wesley> stdin are you not tirred
[04:21] <stdin> wesley: all the time :)
[04:21] <Downix> ugh, I hate autogenerated code
[04:21] <stdin> I do my best work half-asleep
[04:22] <jerware> hi
[04:22] <burner> heatmzzr: sure does
[04:22] <jerware> does anyone know how to get surf the web with firefox with the tor application ?
[04:22] <jerware> err plugin/module?
[04:22] <jerware> where do i get that module ?
[04:22] <heatmzzr> thanks burner
[04:23] <burner> sudo apt-get install tor?
[04:23] <wesley> thats cool you cann ship in april hardy with kde4
[04:23] <stdin> wesley: we hope so yes
[04:23] <wesley> ow mister miljonair must agree?
[04:23] <heatmzzr> was using ubuntu 7.1..... now running 8.04 kubuntu from cd.. thinking bout installing it. its got some features
[04:24] <wesley> 8.04 is not stable
[04:24] <calcmandan> hey guys.
[04:24] <heatmzzr> wesley, not?
[04:24] <burner> jerware: also, there's a package for teh tor extension for firefox in apt
[04:24] <stdin> !+1
[04:24] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about 1 - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[04:24] <calcmandan> anyone havfe a link to all the open fonts provided in kubuntu?  i have ms ttf's loaded in my box and need to pick one that is open for a project
[04:24] <stdin> !ubuntu+1
[04:24] <ubotu> Hardy Heron is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (8.04-LTS), due April 2008 - For more info, see: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardyHeron - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1, NOT #ubuntu
[04:24] <burner> heatmzzr: not.. it's only january 2008, wait for april
[04:24] <jerware> yes i have tor installed according to apt.  but i cant find the firefox tor interface in apt-cache search tor | grep firefox
[04:25] <stdin> except it's not LTS...
[04:25] <julian> heatmzzr:  Does it come with kde 4.0?
[04:25] <snarkster> when is KDE4 going to be released?
[04:25] <burner> jerware: sudo apt-get install torbutton-extension
[04:25] <stdin> snarkster: today
[04:25] <ardchoille> stdin: Is Ubuntu 8.04 going to be LTS but not Kubuntu 8.04?
[04:25] <heatmzzr> dont know, where do i go to find out for ya julian?
[04:25] <burner> ardchoille: correct
[04:25] <stdin> ardchoille: yeah, Ubuntu (gnome) will, Kubuntu (KDE) will not
[04:25] <ardchoille> Ah
[04:25] <ardchoille> Thanks
[04:26] <wesley> the support is long enough lol
[04:26] <julian> whatever app, in a help menu
[04:26] <calcmandan> 1 more day until kde 4
[04:26] <snarkster> awesome
[04:26] <burner> i wonder, is the alpha 3 iso using a kde 4 daily snapshot?
[04:27] <jerware> crap it's not in feisty
[04:27] <wesley> its already fryday here
[04:27] <wesley> stdin where do you live germany?
[04:27] <heatmzzr> So your saying if i want to run kde, use 7.10 instead of this 8.04
[04:27] <stdin> wesley: no, UK
[04:28] <wesley> ow so you have it 04.28
[04:28] <stdin> heatmzzr: 8.04 isn't out yet
[04:28] <stdin> wesley: yep
[04:28] <heatmzzr> what did i download then
[04:28] <stdin> the alpha3 probably
[04:29] <Jay-Oh-En> heatmzzr: haha
[04:29] <julian> the alpha 3 was released
[04:29] <wesley> from rc is stable
[04:29] <burner> heatmzzr: version numbers represent the date... 7.10 was released 2007.november.  8.04 will be released 2008.april
[04:29] <stdin> http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/gutsy/ < get the stable release
[04:29] <burner> heatmzzr: hence, after april, 8.04 will be stable, until then, 7.10 is your bet
[04:30] <wesley> burner RC,S are most times very stable
[04:30]  * burner shrugs
[04:31] <heatmzzr> gotcha, yeah looked at website again, says alpha3
[04:31] <burner> i won't debate the finer points
[04:31] <asdfasdfasdfasdf> burner, wow didnt know that cool
[04:31] <stdin> wesley, burner: alpha3 is not a RC
[04:31] <heatmzzr> first experience with KDE, I like the look of it so far
[04:31] <wesley> i know
[04:31] <snarkster> KDE is awesome
[04:32] <wesley> i try alpha 2 and its not stable
[04:32]  * burner has only been playing in virtual machines so far
[04:32] <stdin> I'm running hardy, it's definitely not stable at all :)
[04:32] <wesley> but one side point kopete is useable in live modus
[04:32] <burner> i'm very excited about kde4 though
[04:32] <snarkster> i tried the rc2 and somethings didnt work well, but it looked awesome
[04:33] <heatmzzr> wesley, i've only used linux a short time. doubt i could use enough of this thing to make it unstable..lol
[04:34] <snarkster> unstable means unstable
[04:34] <heatmzzr> i downloaded 7.1 too so if i decide to keep kde, ill load it
[04:34] <wesley> in windows means stable unstable
[04:35] <heatmzzr> wesley, win performance til apr...eh lol
[04:35] <thomas_newbie__> why do i have 2 passwords working for sudo ?
[04:35] <Skyblast> I dunno how I feel abotu KDE4... it looks great, but is gonna be missing quite a bit
[04:35] <Skyblast> Compared to the vast array of stuff for 3.5
[04:35] <snarkster> only at first
[04:35] <Skyblast> True, but still
[04:35] <wesley> kde3 apps full the missing parts
[04:35] <thomas_newbie__> how does that work!
[04:35] <burner> i'm hoping kontact will finally compete with evolution in connecting to exchange
[04:35] <snarkster> doesnt kde3 apps work in kde 4
[04:36] <Skyblast> Yeah they do
[04:36] <stdin> if you have the kde3 libs
[04:36] <Skyblast> I just mean a true Qt4 experience ;)
[04:36] <wesley> kde3 apps work in kde4 and kde4 apps in kde3
[04:36] <stdin> if you have the libs
[04:36] <craig> hi
[04:36] <stdin> !hi
[04:36] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[04:36] <burner> w00t, all kinds of torrenters now
[04:37] <craig> any babes here
[04:37] <sub[t]rnl> heh
[04:37] <wesley> not many babes use linux am i wrong ?
[04:37] <thomas_newbie__> sub[t]rnl: is a babe
[04:37] <ardchoille> craig: That is not acceptable in this channel
[04:37] <snarkster> yes I am. Im wearing my thong just for you honey
[04:37] <thomas_newbie__> snarkster: haha
[04:37] <snarkster> now shut the F up
[04:38] <Skyblast> Ask for babes in #kubuntu-offtopic ;P
[04:38] <burner> lol, good call
[04:38] <snarkster> so tomorrow will there be any packages available in the repo
[04:38] <snarkster> kde4 packages
[04:38] <burner> snarkster: keep an eye on www.kubuntu.org and i bet you'll see a notice
[04:38] <snarkster> thank yoyu
[04:38] <thomas_newbie__> guys is it possible to have 2 passwords working for 'sudo'?
[04:39] <burner> not that i know of Th
[04:39] <biovore> 2 passwords?  you mean 2 users?
[04:39] <thomas_newbie__> because i did 'passwd sudo'
[04:39] <thomas_newbie__> biovore: entered new password
[04:39] <thomas_newbie__> biovore: and both old and new work
[04:40] <burner> sudo uses your users password, not the password of a user called "sudo"
[04:40] <burner> that said, i've never tried what you said
[04:40] <thomas_newbie__> burner: wait i did 'sudo passwd' what does that do?
[04:41] <burner> sets the password for root
[04:41] <ardchoille> thomas_newbie__: That enables the root account and is neither supported nor necessary
[04:41] <genii> There is a user called sudo, ppl
[04:41] <biovore> thomas_newbie__: that changes the root password.. :-/
[04:42] <stdin> genii: there's a group, but no user
[04:42] <thomas_newbie__> yikes didn't mean to do that
[04:42] <thomas_newbie__> ardchoille: so how to undo :S
[04:42] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: "sudo passwd -dl root" will clear the password again
[04:43] <ardchoille> !sudo | thomas_newbie__
[04:43] <ubotu> thomas_newbie__: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:43] <genii> stdin: Weird, on mine there is
[04:43] <stdin> "grep sudo /etc/passwd" shows nothing
[04:43] <posingaspopular> how do I shuffle through my amarok library... without loading 30 + gigs into the queue manager
[04:44] <genii> stdin: Is it posible "passwd <groupname> when no username exists sets passwd foe entire group? This does not seem sane....
[04:44] <stdin> afaik groups can't have passwords
[04:44] <stdin> passwd: unknown user sudo
[04:45] <RedDemon> I am trying to load a program through wine that requires directx, any idea how I would implement it
[04:46] <stdin> not sure, perhaps ask in #winehq
[04:46] <thomas_newbie__> the thing i don't understand is that if you have sudo, root priveleges, you can do whatever root can do :S
[04:46] <burner> RedDemon: check out wine-doors
[04:46] <RedDemon> Thanks stdin
[04:47] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: that's the whole point of sudo
[04:47] <thomas_newbie__> so i guess 2 different users like mike and martin can have different passwords but both be part of sudo with same privelges
[04:47] <stdin> lets you preform actions as root without having to be root
[04:47] <burner> it's like being in teh "administrator" group on windows
[04:47] <burner> but cooler
[04:48] <stdin> yeah, there is no root password (also no root pass to crack)
[04:48] <stdin> users can also be selectively allowed to only run specific commands with sudo, so it's even more secure
[04:48] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: in that case you have to crack the users' passwords to get root access right?
[04:49] <genii> eg: disallowing use of command: sudo passwd                       for instance
[04:49] <stdin> you have to crack a users password that you know also has access to sudo
[04:49] <posingaspopular> Jucato: ping? [22:45] <posingaspopular> how can I shuffle through all my amarok songs without loading all of them in a playlist? if at all
[04:49] <ardchoille> thomas_newbie__: But inorder to do that, you'd need the username of the user account :)
[04:49] <stdin> and you have to know the username first
[04:49] <Jucato> posingaspopular: um.. I'd have to say.... I don't know :(
[04:49] <stdin> #amarok ?
[04:50] <burner> posingaspopular: use the collections thing and just double click all songs or whatever to load all your tracks in a playlist
[04:50] <thomas_newbie__> yea...and if that user has a weaky password....OMG the system is pucked
[04:50] <stdin> thomas_newbie__: only if you know the user has sudo access, and if you do then you should set a decent password anyway
[04:50] <stdin> same as if root had a easy pass
[04:51] <stdin> more power == more need to make sure you are who you say you are
[04:51] <posingaspopular> yea i figured it out
[04:51] <thomas_newbie__> stdin: so in that case this has made me believe that i should make my home user account password stronger than it is :S
[04:51] <posingaspopular> just get 50 random tracks
[04:52] <posingaspopular> should go through yuor collection and pull enough out at a time
[04:52] <wesley> why cant i sign in to msn with the kde4 kopete ??
[04:52] <burner> and use dynamic playlisting with random tracks :)
[04:52] <Potato-[CE]> do you know if conky will work with kde4.0?
[04:52] <burner> wesley: is there a #kubuntu+1 or #kde4?
[04:53] <stdin> there is a #kde and an #ubuntu+1
[04:53] <genii> stdin: Don't forget #kubuntu-devel
[04:53] <stdin> that's not so much of a support channel as #ubuntu+1 is
[04:54] <genii> Yes, true
[04:54] <stdin> but we're nice in there so we don't mind most times, but try asking a support question in #ubuntu-devel and see what happens ;)
[04:56] <hydrogen> posingaspopular: http://amarok.kde.org/wiki/Dynamic_Playlist_Walkthrough
[04:56] <hydrogen> dynamic playlists are pretty awesome
[04:57] <jerware> i have the tor button installed.  but im still not routing through the tor network.
[04:58] <jerware> i thought going through  https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2464  would set everything up for me.
[05:00] <JohnnyNoBueno> good evening
[05:00] <JohnnyNoBueno> any savvy ubunteros about?
[05:01] <hydrogen> no such thing!
[05:04] <holycanoly> helloooo kde4(whatever rc)
[05:05] <holycanoly> i think i can totally live with any incompleteness interface wise
[05:05] <holycanoly> this is looking and feeling terrific
[05:06] <holycanoly> just gotta figure out how to create launchers manually
[05:07]  * burner claims savvyness
[05:07] <hrisi> alguien que hable español????
[05:08] <hydrogen> !es | hrisi
[05:08] <ubotu> hrisi: Si busca ayuda en español por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, allí obtendrá más ayuda.
[05:09] <hrisi> ok, gracias
[05:09] <holycanoly> only one tiny kde design error i still see spilling over
[05:09] <holycanoly> kde menues are not designed for anythin less than 1024x769
[05:09] <holycanoly> 768
[05:10] <burner> de nada mi amigo!
[05:10] <burner> :)
[05:10]  * burner desires 800x480 support
[05:11] <biovore> screen resolution of 800x480?
[05:11] <burner> i have an eeepc
[05:11] <biovore> It can do it..
[05:11] <biovore> have to manualy edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[05:12] <burner> what can do it?
[05:12] <burner> i have ubuntu running
[05:12] <biovore> it can do 800x480
[05:12] <burner> i just have to alt+drag dialogs around, it sucks
[05:12] <biovore> the windows are designed for 1024x768 unfortionaly though..
[05:12] <burner> which sucks donkey nards
[05:13] <hydrogen> i don't see that support coming any time soon..
[05:13] <biovore> basicly...  the Eee PC wasn't really designed to run kde or gnome..
[05:13] <hydrogen> I think kde's HIG says design for 800x600
[05:13] <biovore> it ment to run custom OSes..
[05:13] <hydrogen> though it might be 640x480
[05:13] <bazhang> burner: there is a channel #eeepc you know
[05:13] <biovore> 800x600 I think is the min
[05:22] <ibilic> is KDE4 buggy?
[05:22] <hydrogen> maybe?
[05:22] <ibilic> also, if I wanted to install gnome, what would I do?
[05:22] <hydrogen> shoot yourself?
[05:22] <hydrogen> i mean
[05:22] <hydrogen> install ubuntu-desktop
[05:22] <ibilic> and how would I select it?
[05:22] <hydrogen> from the login manage
[05:22] <ibilic> I have kubunutu now
[05:22] <hydrogen> theres a butotn
[05:22] <hydrogen> to choose the session
[05:23]  * Jucato points ibilic to http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174
[05:27] <sigma_1234> has kde4 final been packaged yet?
[05:27] <burner> not that i've heard, i'm sure www.kubuntu.org will hve the news as soon as it's ready
[05:28] <holycanoly> yeah i need 800x480 support as well
[05:28] <holycanoly> i have a umpc running full kde
[05:28] <sigma_1234> i thought the devs got it before the official release
[05:28] <holycanoly> its great but all the dialogs really need to  be in windowed types environments
[05:29] <holycanoly> you just cant get away from strange resolutions because of all the new super small devices comming out
[05:29] <jerware> i installed the firefox tor button successfully according to the following link.  but my web traffic is still not routing through the tor network.   http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-tor-to-surf-anonymously-in-ubuntu-feisty-with-firefox.html
[05:29] <ibilic> adept crashed
[05:29] <ardchoille> !fixadept
[05:29] <ubotu> If an APT front-end crashed and your database is locked, try this in a !terminal: « sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a »
[05:32] <burner> stdin: i see you were thanked for making kde4 on gutsy happened... so i thank you as well
[05:36] <AmyRose> fuser?
[05:37] <adamonline45> Is there some sort of guide on using KDE4?  It seems to be different than your typical desktop; such as the desktop icons all being considered widgets, and what not...
[05:37] <AmyRose> !kde4
[05:37] <ubotu> kde4 is KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://tinyurl.com/2gqwmr - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[05:37]  * Jucato wished we can link more than just to wikipedia for more info soon...
[05:38] <genii> Jucato: This one is interesting http://francis.giannaros.org/blog/2007/12/03/kde4-desktop-effects-kwin-composite-video-tour/
[05:38]  * AmyRose is listening to MIDI files on her cell phone because FluidSynth sucks and Timidity's patch set is incomplete
[05:38] <Jucato> AmyRose: ouch :/
[05:38] <Jay-Oh-En> jerware: what about in gutsy will tor work?
[05:39] <Jucato> hm.. come to think of it, I never got MIDI to work except in timidity... never in kmid...
[05:39] <AmyRose> Jucato: I have a hard time finding that eawpats set
[05:39] <Jucato> genii: thanks. (although I was referring to the link from the !kde4 factoid)
[05:40] <AmyRose> everybody seems to think FluidSynth is the greatest thing ever, when it seems to have horrible problems with desynching
[05:40]  * genii thinks about switching back from the decaf
[05:40] <AmyRose> My cell phone is great for playing MIDI though
[05:40] <Jucato> genii: you? decaf? O.o
[05:40]  * AmyRose drinks decaf tea
[05:40] <genii> Jucato: j/k :)
[05:41] <adamonline45> I had Compiz and KControl installed in KDE 3, now in 4 those things still seem to be the same.  I was hoping for a fresh KDE installation.  What can I do to get my KDE4 into a stock configuration?
[05:41] <burner> can anything really be great if it plays MIDI?
[05:41] <AmyRose> Jucato: I actually did manage to find eawpats somewhere, but I just saved the deb
[05:41] <Jucato> oh...
[05:41] <burner> now NSF audio on the other hand, killer!
[05:41] <genii> Jucato: I have to stop coffee about 2 hours before I need to sleep which was an hour ago now.... so lacking caffeine slightly
[05:41] <Jucato> burner: a lot of music composer apps use MIDI
[05:41] <AmyRose> burner: Tell the amarok devs to support it!
[05:41] <Jucato> like piano apps
[05:42] <Jucato> genii: :P
[05:42] <maduser> great, got my nes mp3 palyer to work with kubuntu
[05:42] <burner> isn't there just a backend that amarok uses... gstreamer or xine?  wouldn't it be beneficial to ask gstreamer or xine devs to support midi?
[05:42] <AmyRose> I do have Timidity configured and running as a daemon, but it seems to lag the system, and I like the way my cell phone sounds with MIDI
[05:42] <AmyRose> burner: They don't care.
[05:43] <AmyRose> I've tried
[05:43] <burner> but they are the ones that control what amarok plays
[05:43] <burner> not amarok itself
[05:43] <burner> ever use audacious?  it can play midi right?
[05:43] <AmyRose> burner: They tell me to contact ffmpeg, and ffmpeg tells me to contact xine
[05:43] <hagabaka> i hate the configuration file updates
[05:43] <AmyRose> burner: I'm an Audacious user myself for that reason, and its NSF support
[05:44] <hagabaka> i wish there was something to intelligently merge the updates to my customization
[05:44] <burner> it has NSF support?!?!?  i'm searching apt
[05:45] <burner> i bet i didn't have -ugly
[05:46] <maduser> Hey is there any way to make a video the desktop backround?
[05:46] <AmyRose> burner: try this repo: http://morgoth.free.fr
[05:46] <AmyRose> it will give you the latest and it has nsf support
[05:46] <genii> maduser: I've done it before with animated gif but was horrible
[05:47] <burner> thanks AmyRose, i'll try it out
[05:47] <burner> i'm excited for the new audacious
[05:47] <adamonline45> How do I add a folder in Konqueror?
[05:47] <AmyRose> Jucato: I can't believe you forgot to mention Rosegarden, KDE's very own MIDI sequencer
[05:47] <AmyRose> one of KDE's killer apps
[05:48] <Jucato> AmyRose: I was about to... but I switched my focus on other channels
[05:48] <Jucato> it was written in my text input field already
[05:48] <AmyRose> Jucato: I've seen lots of GNOME users really peeved that it was a KDE program
[05:49] <Onyx> how do i turn off grouping of similar taskbar icons in KDE?
[05:49] <AmyRose> Onyx: Right-click the taskbar, click Configure Panel
[05:49] <AmyRose> Onyx: Then click Taskbar and you'll find the setting
[05:49] <Onyx> AmyRose: Ahhh, freedom.
[05:49] <Onyx> thank you.
[05:49] <AmyRose> You're welcome
[05:49] <eatThisAndDie>  guys: i have added /opt/php/bin o $PATH but sudo php doesnt work. Any suggestions?
[05:49] <Jucato> AmyRose:  and so they fight back with naming K3-D and Kino? :)
[05:50] <AmyRose> I hate that setting myself
[05:50] <AmyRose> Jucato: I don't know.
[05:50] <AmyRose> Jucato: But how the heck did Gwenview and Gwenrename end up being KDE apps?
[05:50] <Onyx> AmyRose: Yeah, it's quite annoying... makes task switching slower IMO :)
[05:50] <Jucato> AmyRose: hehe :)
[05:52] <max_> how can i install ubuntu studio form an instialation of kubuntu?
[05:53] <ardchoille> max_: /join #ubuntustudio
[05:53] <Onyx> Yet another KDE newbie question... how can I load my own widget style?
[05:54] <Onyx> I'm already looking at the Appearance/Styles screen
[05:54] <max_> ardchoille: no one is alive in there
[05:54] <ardchoille> max_: Regardless, that's where suport for it is. not here
[05:56] <genii> max_: Look in your package manager for app called ubuntustudio-desktop
[05:56] <hagabaka> will there be a supported kde4 package for gutsy?
[05:56] <max_> genii:  thanks
[05:56] <jerware> Jay-Oh-En: im not using gutsy
[05:57] <jerware> im using feisty
[05:57] <jerware> the tor button is not working.
[05:58] <Jay-Oh-En> jerware: does it work on gutsy ?
[05:58] <jerware> i never tried gutsy
[05:58] <jerware> i cant afford to install it at the moement.
[05:59] <jerware> since i dont have an other device to back up my files.
[06:00]  * burner would just go for it, backup be damned ;)
[06:09] <Jay-Oh-En> how do i kill a process
[06:10] <burner> kill processid
[06:10] <burner> or killall processname
[06:10] <burner> i.e. killall firefox-bin
[06:10] <Jay-Oh-En> htop
[06:10] <Jay-Oh-En> oops
[06:11] <Jay-Oh-En> thanks
[06:12] <burner> you can kill it with htop too
[06:12] <koshaboi> Does anyone know when KDE4 FINAL will on the repositories?
[06:12] <burner> nope
[06:13] <bazhang> that will be a big download I'd guess :}
[06:13] <stdin> koshaboi: as soon as KDE 4.0.0 is released by kde.org
[06:13] <koshaboi> I have KDE RC2 right now but like have of it doesn't even seem to work
[06:13] <koshaboi> so I'm hoping that the final release will be better
[06:14]  * Jucato points koshaboi to http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174
[06:18] <Jay-Oh-En> http://paulsdigitalworld.blogspot.com/2008/01/complete-ubuntu-speed-up-tweak-guide.html would this guide work for me?
[06:26] <Onyx> How do I use *.kth files?
[06:26] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: my comments: 1) to #3 don't do "vm.swappiness=0" < it's evil, 2) to #6 don't remove TTYs, you may well regret it, 3) to #15 hdparm doesn't really do anything any more. the rest is either gnome related or should be "ok" ("ok" meaning it shouldn't break anything, but be careful on #2 and #4 or it may)
[06:27] <Jay-Oh-En> ok
[06:27] <Jay-Oh-En> thanks
[06:27] <Jay-Oh-En> i thought i was ignored
[06:27] <Jay-Oh-En> obviously not
[06:27] <Jay-Oh-En> :]
[06:28] <stdin> I had to actually read it you know :p
[06:28] <Jay-Oh-En> yeah
[06:28] <Jay-Oh-En> and thanks
[06:28] <Jay-Oh-En> i did already do vm.swappiness=0
[06:29] <Jay-Oh-En> so i should delete that?
[06:29] <jussi01> !enter
[06:29] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: yes, the kernal will manage the value better than any human can
[06:29] <Jay-Oh-En> lol ok
[06:30] <jussi01> hmmm, what happened to the bot?
[06:30] <stdin> ubotu: ping
[06:30] <ubotu> pong
[06:30] <stdin> !enter
[06:30] <ubotu> Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[06:30] <stdin> he listens to me at least :)
[06:30] <jussi01> ubotu: test
[06:30] <ubotu> Failed.
[06:30] <jussi01> me, just had a bad minute
[06:31] <stdin> it may have been updating it's database just at the moment you tried to access it, bad timing
[06:31] <Jay-Oh-En> jussi01: you could have just said use puncuation lol
[06:31] <jussi01> yeah, could be
[06:31] <stdin> s/updating/flushing/
[06:31] <EddieDee> is kde4 ready?
[06:31] <jussi01> EddieDee: no, its still rc2
[06:31] <adamonline45> Uh oh, I just hard-rebooted my machine because Amarok was stuck, twitching, and now I don't see my taskbar... How do I re-enable it?  I already tried a restart...  Oh, KDE 4 here...
[06:31] <Jay-Oh-En> god i cant spell :[
[06:31] <stdin> EddieDee: does it say it's ready on kde.org or kubuntu.org ?
[06:32] <carlos> someone have freeze problem in gutsy amd64
[06:32] <stdin> adamonline45: try Alt-F2 and put in "kicker"
[06:32] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: what do you think of this one
[06:33] <carlos> gnome
[06:33] <stdin> 1) *never* take advice from anything that tells you to do "sudo kate", it's wrong in soooooooooooo many ways
[06:34] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: kdesu
[06:34] <stdin> yes, but that site says "sudo" and so the author is plane dumb
[06:34] <Jay-Oh-En> lol
[06:34] <adamonline45> stdin: Ahh, it said krunner crashed, and brought... get this... my old KDE3 taskbar up! :O  I'm getting a lot of KDE3 stuff that wants to be persistent, do you know how I can just make this KDE4 a pure install, without it trying to load all my KDE3 colors and settings?
[06:34] <jussi01> Hmmm, Im having issues with openoffice loosing all window borders and not being functional when compiz is running, anyone know how to fix this?
[06:34] <Jay-Oh-En> so dont even use that?
[06:35] <Jay-Oh-En> jussi01: i had that too
[06:35] <jussi01> carlos: if you are using gnome, you need to be in #ubuntu
[06:35] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En: it's mostly a re-write of the other one, you don't need to do anything to speed things up. linux isn't designed to be bloated and slow
[06:35] <Jay-Oh-En> jussi01: i uninstalled openoffice and installed kubuntu-desktop and it updated it and it worked for me again
[06:36] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: ok
[06:36] <stdin> adamonline45: best advice is to run kde4 as another user, eg: kde4
[06:36] <adamonline45> stdin: That sounds like a good plan 8)  Thanks!
[06:37] <carlos> i am using kubuntu, i have did try ubuntu...
[06:37] <appelza> any kde4.0 final live cd's yet?
[06:37] <appelza> I know its soon :]
[06:37] <jussi01> appelza: /topic
[06:37] <stdin> appelza: does it say KDE 4.0 is ready on kde.org or kubuntu.org ?
[06:38] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: no
[06:38] <appelza> its been tagged in svn for more than a week now :p
[06:38] <stdin> then it's not out it is :)
[06:38] <stdin> tagged != released
[06:38] <appelza> ok then
[06:38] <Jay-Oh-En> jussi01: did you try what i suggested?
[06:38] <stdin> tagged just means "no changes unless they are needed" not "no changed, it's released"
[06:39] <jussi01> Jay-Oh-En: getting there... I ran off for a sec
[06:39] <Jay-Oh-En> ok jussi01
[06:39] <Jay-Oh-En> did i mention i purged ?
[06:41] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: what about swiftfox
[06:41] <Jay-Oh-En> ?
[06:42] <stdin> swiftfox is evil, don't use it
[06:42] <stdin> the author is evil and doen't like freedom
[06:43] <stdin> I think it may technically illegal too (because the author breaks the MPL)
[06:44] <Jay-Oh-En> why not use it?
[06:44] <stdin> for the reasons I've stated above :)
[06:44] <Jay-Oh-En> lol nice but why are those reasons not to use
[06:45] <Jay-Oh-En> and do you know any good text to speach programs?
[06:45] <stdin> 1) the author is evil and doen't like freedom, 2) it may technically illegal too (because the author breaks the MPL)
[06:45] <stdin> ktts is a text-to-speech app
[06:45] <Jay-Oh-En> thanks
[06:45] <stdin> !info kttsd
[06:45] <ubotu> kttsd: a Text-to-Speech system for KDE. In component main, is optional. Version 4:3.5.8-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1948 kB, installed size 4012 kB
[06:46] <Jay-Oh-En> what is a light browser then?
[06:46] <stdin> konqueror :)
[06:47] <Jay-Oh-En> thats still slow when i have five tabs open
[06:47] <stdin> or elinks/links/links2/w3m if you want really light
[06:47] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: elinks does tabs
[06:47] <Jay-Oh-En> where can i get those in repos?
[06:47] <stdin> they text based terminal browsers
[06:47] <ardchoille> !info elinks
[06:47] <ubotu> elinks: advanced text-mode WWW browser. In component main, is optional. Version 0.11.1-1.5ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 611 kB, installed size 3340 kB
[06:47] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: But, elinks is a text brwoser
[06:47] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: lol no i dont want that light ardchoille
[06:48] <Jay-Oh-En> too light for me
[06:48] <stdin> konqueror is lighter than FF and swiftfox
[06:48] <Jay-Oh-En> i like some gui
[06:48] <stdin> just stop opening 50 tabs at once, ok :)
[06:48] <jussi01> are there any other alternatives than konq?
[06:48] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: 5 not 50
[06:48] <ardchoille> I use konq when in x, it's fast and responsive.. but I turned off ipv6 to speed things up
[06:49] <ardchoille> !ipv6
[06:49] <ubotu> To disable ipv6 read https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WebBrowsingSlowIPv6IPv4
[06:49] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin: if somebody could help me get plugins working correctly i might use konq
[06:50] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: konq uses mozilla/firefox plugins. Do you mean firefox extensions?
[06:50] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: no i mean like mplayer and stuff
[06:50] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: i can ever configure those correctly
[06:50] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: iirc, just install the mplayer plugin for ff and restart konq
[06:51] <Jay-Oh-En> iirc?
[06:51] <ardchoille> If I Remeber Correctly
[06:51] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: i mean it doesnt work correctly
[06:51] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: i learn someting everyday
[06:51] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: Me too
[06:51] <stephen> hello
[06:51] <Jay-Oh-En> lol
[06:53] <Jay-Oh-En> and i cant configure konq to make webpages look correct
[06:55] <Jay-Oh-En> for me ff is way faster i just tested that theory
[06:57] <Jay-Oh-En> stdin:
[06:58] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille:
[06:58] <stdin> Jay-Oh-En:
[06:58] <Jay-Oh-En> lol
[06:58] <adamonline45> Is there a default directory to put stuff that can be shared among all users of a computer?
[06:58] <Jay-Oh-En> did you read what i said
[06:58] <stdin> yes I did read it
[06:58] <ardchoille> Jay-Oh-En: When did you turn off ipv6 to test?
[06:58] <stdin> adamonline45: no, but you can make one
[06:59] <Jay-Oh-En> ardchoille: i turned that off right when i got linux
[06:59] <ardchoille> ok
[06:59] <adamonline45> stdin: How do I make it so everyone can read it?  Oh wait, I just totally noobed... don't tell anyone I asked that 8D
[07:00] <stdin> adamonline45: "sudo midir /share ; sudo chmod 777 /share" then everyone can read + write, for read only use "sudo chmod 766 /share"
[07:00] <stdin> or you can set a group up and give access that way, but that takes some thought and planning
[07:00] <genii> stdin: I prefer adding extra group of users to /etc/adduser and just chown :users
[07:00] <adamonline45> stdin: Thank you for the nice response :)
[07:01] <genii> adduser.conf
[07:01] <adamonline45> stdin: I thoguht of that, but I just need something simple... My main users (adam1 and adam2, so to speak) are set up that way...
[07:02] <stdin> adding users to groups to access shared data is more secure, if it's long-term or you regally double-click things that you don't know, you want the more secure way :p
[07:03] <adamonline45> Oh on that same note, is it possible to change user names?  I didn't see anything in adduser
[07:03] <genii> adamonline45: man usermod will give you info
[07:03] <phobos> witam
[07:04] <adamonline45> Thank you genii
[07:04] <stdin> system settings -> user management -> Administrator mode -> double click the name and change it :)
[07:04] <genii> adamonline45: Or the gui way stdin suggests :)
[07:04] <stdin> you can use that to setup groups and other things too
[07:06] <genii> adamonline45: Since I use not only kde I tend to give commandline way which is window-manager non specific
[07:07] <stdin> but this is Kubuntu and I've made a new channel rule: all must use KDE :p
[07:07] <kosha> Does anyone know why KDE su wouldn't work with the same password in KDE4 as in KDE3?
[07:08] <stdin> kosha: because we need to fix kdesu (KDE4) to work properly
[07:08] <genii> stdin: Booo!
[07:08]  * genii hides
[07:09] <kosha> And, is there a graphical way to re-enable Synaptic touchpad scrolling in Kubuntu Hardy?
[07:09] <stdin> hardy questions should be directed to #ubuntu+1
[07:10] <genii> kosha: The program kxgenerator is very useful sometimes
[07:10] <chris0626891> Hello?
[07:11] <chris0626891> anyone here?
[07:11] <genii> chris0626891: Yup
[07:11] <chris0626891> I have a question..
[07:11] <chris0626891> Well, two questions
[07:11] <chris0626891> How can I upgrade 7.10 to 8.04 alphas?
[07:11] <stdin> 1) don't.
[07:11] <stdin> next?
[07:11] <chris0626891> I know it has something to do with dist-upgrade right?
[07:12] <noaXess> good morning
[07:12] <chris0626891> I realize it's not RECOMENDED
[07:12] <chris0626891> But I want to.
[07:12] <jussi01> chris0626891: quite simply, if you need to be asking questons like that, you shouldnt be doing it
[07:12] <chris0626891> Because I have trouble getting my mp3 support.
[07:12] <noaXess> which tool can i use to make a ghost of a whole harddisk?.. for backup..
[07:12] <chris0626891> For some reason, I can't...
[07:12] <stdin> !backup | noaXess
[07:12] <ubotu> noaXess: There are many ways to back your system up. Here's a few: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BackupYourSystem , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DuplicityBackupHowto , https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HomeUserBackup , https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi - See also !sbackup and !cloning
[07:12] <chris0626891> No I've been using Ubuntu for quite some time..
[07:12] <noaXess> like an image of the whole harddisk including partition information
[07:12] <mrashley> hey.. is it normal behavior for kubuntu to eat your xorg changes and put it's own options in?
[07:13] <chris0626891> But.. I just forgot the command line to do it :P
[07:13] <jussi01> chris0626891: have you installed kubuntu-restricted-extras ?
[07:13] <chris0626891> Well
[07:13] <chris0626891> I tried that on a previous install
[07:13] <chris0626891> But then when I tried to play my mp3 / ogms
[07:13] <noaXess> !clongin
[07:13] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about clongin - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:13] <noaXess> !cloning
[07:13] <chris0626891> it said the audio channel was in use..
[07:13] <ubotu> To replicate your packages selection on another machine (or restore it if re-installing), you can type « dpkg --get-selections > ~/my-packages », move the file "my-packages" to the other machine, and there type « sudo dpkg --set-selections < my-packages && apt-get dselect-upgrade » - See also !automate
[07:14] <chris0626891> For some reason when I installed kubuntu-restricted-extras, whenever I try to play stuff, it gives me "This Audio channel is already in use.."
[07:14] <chris0626891> So.. i don't know what the heck is wrong >_>
[07:14] <chris0626891> I'm using Kubuntu 7.10 64bit.
[07:15] <noaXess> stdin: the dd will be the choice i think :)
[07:15] <chris0626891> Does anyone know why this happens?
[07:15] <chris0626891> !flash konqueror
[07:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about flash konqueror - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:15] <chris0626891> !flash
[07:15] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[07:15] <jussi01> chris0626891: upgrading to hardy will not fix these errors
[07:15] <ubotu> The Flash plugin installation is currently broken. This is due to Adobe changing the tar file that the package downloads. See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix.
[07:15] <chris0626891> Hmm ok
[07:16] <chris0626891> So I should just install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[07:16] <stdin> noaXess: dd is great, unless you want a GUI :)
[07:16] <jussi01> chris0626891: correct, then comeback if you have an  error
[07:16] <noaXess> stdin: no.. command line is better in some cases..
[07:16] <chris0626891> ok..
[07:16] <jussi01> :)
[07:16] <chris0626891> Also, how do I get Flash onto konqueror?  I'm using Kubuntu 7.10 64-bit
[07:16] <stdin> noaXess: only some, I live in the command line
[07:17] <chris0626891> (Nevermind, I'll just use Firefox)
[07:17] <chris0626891> Ok let me try this stuff out, thanks for helping me.
[07:17]  * stdin currently has 6 shells open, and that's less than usual
[07:17] <noaXess> stdin: if i really copy one hd to another with dd: dd if=/dev/sda of=/dev/sdb.. can i dan plugin /dev/sdb an boot from it without other changes?
[07:17] <chris0626891> I'm pretty good with Ubuntu, but when it comes to Kubuntu, i'm kind of unfamiliar with it.
[07:17] <noaXess> chris0626891: why? the background is the same..
[07:18] <chris0626891> I know.
[07:18] <chris0626891> I do most stuff through the GUI though
[07:18] <chris0626891> I do know most of the command line options for popular things..
[07:18] <noaXess> the diffrent is only the window manager and kde..
[07:18] <stdin> noaXess: it may, I'm not sure if it matters if the disks are different sizes
[07:18] <chris0626891> I know. ;)
[07:18] <noaXess> stdin: .. i will make a try :)
[07:19] <noaXess> better to test it... then have a failed system without testing.. :)
[07:19] <stdin> yes it is :)
[07:21] <chris0626891> When KDE 4.0 is released tomorrow (today), how long do you think it will take to get into the repos?
[07:21] <stdin> chris0626891: 1) today (11th), 2) when it's released
[07:22] <chris0626891> ... I realize it's released on the 11th, which is today.
[07:22] <chris0626891> But how long will it take to get into the Kubuntu repos.
[07:22] <chris0626891> And will there be a simple option to convert over?  (I assume this would be posted on the Kubuntu site)
[07:22] <stdin> when kde 4.0 is released it'll be in the repos
[07:23]  * jussi01 hugs stdin
[07:23] <stdin> we'll have instructions on kubuntu.org and link to it in the topic
[07:23] <chris0626891> Ok thank you :)
[07:25] <stdin> now we can tell if people actually read the topic or not ;)
[07:25] <chris0626891> (Sorry)
[07:25] <stdin> chris0626891: it wasn't in there when you joined, so that's ok
[07:26] <flamesage> !register
[07:26] <ubotu> By default, only registered users can send private messages - Information about  registering your Freenode nick can be found at http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration
[07:26] <flamesage> Hmm
[07:27] <flamesage> did anyone see that? >_>
[07:27] <jussi01> flamesage: see what?
[07:27] <flamesage> Ok nevermind
[07:27] <flamesage> I registered, and I thought it echoed my password.  :P
[07:27] <jussi01> flamesage: nope :D
[07:28] <stdin> always do that in the server tab :)
[07:28]  * jussi01 agrees though
[07:28] <stdin> or '/query nickserv' to open a new tab with just nickserv
[07:28] <flamesage> So yeah... I'm kind of bored.
[07:28] <flamesage> !bored
[07:28] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bored - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
[07:28] <flamesage> !keeping me happy
[07:29] <stdin> play in #ubuntu-offtopic and stop abusing ubotu :)
[07:29] <stdin> he has feelings to
[07:29] <Jucato> but more importantly, ops have feelings, and they don't like it when the bot is abused :)
[07:29] <flamesage> ha.
[07:30] <jussi01> !botabuse > flamesage
[07:30] <stdin> here ubotu is like a family pet, and the ops are the family. please don't kick the dog :)
[07:30] <Jucato> or cat...
[07:30] <Jucato> :)
[07:30]  * jussi01 hugs ubotu
[07:30] <flamesage> :x
[07:30] <flamesage> why won't someone hug me... :(
[07:30] <stdin> nah, don't like cats that much :p
[07:31] <Jucato> I do :P
[07:32] <stdin> fine ubotu can be a hybrid dog/cat/gerbil, ok? :p
[07:33] <flamesage> I think ubotu is simply a machine to make my life easier.
[07:33] <stdin> no, it's a python program with several plugins actually
[07:34] <stdin> but it's still our pet python program with several plugins
[07:34] <flamesage> So it's a python.
[07:34] <flamesage> Simple.
[07:34] <flamesage> :)
[07:34] <flamesage> if i install KDE 4 by use of.. http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php, will I be able to simply do a sudo apt-get update tomorrow?
[07:35] <stdin> it's better to wait, unless you want to download hundreds of MB twice
[07:36] <flamesage> The only thing that sucks though..
[07:36] <flamesage> Is there a way to keep 3.5 ane 4.0 menus seperate?
[07:36] <flamesage> I don't want 4.0 programs in KDE 3.x
[07:37] <stdin> nope, it's designed specifically to be integrated
[07:43] <Lazarus> hi there
[07:43] <Lazarus> im about to reinstall kubuntu
[07:43] <Lazarus> what should i do to make reconfiguring as easy as possible?
[07:43] <flamesage> ok.
[07:43] <flamesage> Ironic, Lazarus came back from the dead :P
[07:43] <Lazarus> flamesage, yeah
[07:43] <flamesage> Ha :P
[07:43] <flamesage> Anyway..
[07:43] <Lazarus> thats why i like the name, its neat
[07:44] <flamesage> Did you have your /home/ in a seperate partition?
[07:44] <flamesage> And why exactly are you reinstalling might I ask?
[07:45] <Lazarus> flamesage, its gotten too bloated for my liking
[07:45] <Lazarus> some im going to reinstall and make it a little cleaner again
[07:45] <Lazarus> flamesage, no, its on the same
[07:45] <Lazarus> how should i set up my partitions?
[07:45] <Lazarus> i usually put / all in one
[07:45] <jussi01> !home | Lazarus
[07:45] <ubotu> Lazarus: Your home folder is where all of your personal files are usually kept. For mounting your home folder on a separate partition, please see: http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[07:46] <Lazarus> i know some people split /etc /home or /usr
[07:46] <Lazarus> even /boot
[07:48] <sexy_> hi guys
[07:48] <flamesage> hey
[07:48] <flamesage> ... what's up?
[07:48] <sexy_> i need repair my kopete..
[07:49] <flamesage> whats wrong with it?
[07:49] <Kage> Ahh..
[07:49] <Kage> A nice "K" feel to it.
[07:49] <sexy_> kopete have a error 11
[07:50] <jussi01> sexy_: have you just installed?
[07:50] <jussi01> !nickspam > Kage
[07:51] <flamesage> Sorry. T_T
[07:51] <wersdaluv> where do I get kde 4?? :D :))
[07:51] <flamesage> It's not released yet.
[07:52]  * stdin directs wersdaluv to *read* the topic
[07:52] <wersdaluv> ok. lol :D
[07:52]  * flamesage backhands
[07:52] <wersdaluv> when are kubuntu packages coming out?
[07:53] <sexy_> yes
[07:53] <flamesage> we don't know.
[07:53] <wersdaluv> oooh. okayy
[07:53] <flamesage> .. yes isn't a valid answer.
[07:53] <stdin> when is kde 4.0.0 coming out? they both have the same answer
[07:53] <flamesage> ... yes? o_0
[07:53] <sexy_> my einglish is  very bad
[07:53] <stdin> "no one knows the exact time, today though"
[07:53] <sexy_> sorry
[07:54] <wersdaluv> so the kubuntu packages are going to be released today too?
[07:54] <flamesage> Not if KDE 4.0 is released at 11:59:99, probably not.
[07:54] <stdin> as soon as kde 4.0.0 is released, yes
[07:54] <stdin> and I mean, as soon as ;)
[07:55] <appelza> seriously? :D
[07:55] <appelza> nice.
[07:55] <wersdaluv> niiice
[07:55] <flamesage> me sheds a tear
[07:55]  * flamesage sheds a tear
[07:55] <flamesage> I want KDE 4.0 so badly.
[07:55] <flamesage> So stdin, do you think there will be any showstopping bugs?
[07:55] <flamesage> I tried the RC2, it seemed pretty stable.
[07:55] <wersdaluv> I'm a gnome user
[07:55] <appelza> So, if say I want to run konversation on kde4, do I simply compile the latest version against QT4 ?
[07:55] <flamesage> Though I don't beleive sound was working...
[07:55] <wersdaluv> *hides
[07:55]  * stdin coughs and points to http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/3174
[07:56] <flamesage> me hands stdin a tissue
[07:56] <stdin> appelza: no, it doesn't work like that at all
[07:56] <stdin> just run konversation in kde4, it'll work fine
[07:56] <stdin> but konversation will need porting to qt4/kde4
[07:56] <appelza> cool, but still using the QT3 libs then
[07:56] <appelza> I see
[07:56] <appelza> :]
[07:57] <stdin> there will be a konversation 1.1 before a kde4 version anyway
[07:58] <appelza> Cool
[07:59] <flamesage> They should have released it 3 hours ago
[08:00] <stdin> flamesage: why? not everyone is in your timezone
[08:00] <flamesage> True, but then it would make it faster for you guys :)
[08:01] <flamesage> The quicker we get KDE 4.0, the better.
[08:01] <stdin> we're all set to go, just waiting on the word "GO!"
[08:01] <flamesage> You got it on a RSS feed?
[08:01] <flamesage> Are you guys releasing a custom iso CD?  Or simply uploading them to the repos?
[08:02] <stdin> we'll be informed, and kde.org will be updated. and yes, there will be a Kubuntu KDE4 CD
[08:02] <stdin> like I said, we're just waiting on the word now
[08:03] <appelza> awesome
[08:03] <appelza> :D gj
[08:05] <flamesage> Ok, sorry for all of the annoying questions :P  Will the KDE 4 iso be based off of 7.10 or 8.04a?
[08:05] <stdin> 7.10 afaik
[08:06] <stdin> yeah, 7.10 for sure
[08:06] <flamesage> okie dokie.'
[08:06] <Makuseru> firefox keeps telling me i need to install flash, but when i go to install it it says "flash non-free is already installed" whats up with this?
[08:07] <stdin> Makuseru: seen the topic?
[08:07] <intelikey> sounds like the .deb installed but didn't run the install script
[08:07] <Makuseru> stdin: oh, ha. i knew that
[08:07] <flamesage> me thinks "I don't think they did"
[08:08] <intelikey> all the .deb is, is an installer script   unless i'm badly missinformed
[08:08]  * flamesage thinks "I don't think they did"
[08:08] <Makuseru> any news when it will be fizeD?
[08:08] <AzAel> errr how do i force a FQDN to a specific ip address ie...win hosts file
[08:08] <Makuseru> fixed*
[08:08] <stdin> when adobe feel like it?
[08:09] <stdin> See http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=636397 if you need to fix this immediately, but it's recommended to wait for an official fix. (from /msg ubotu flash)
[08:10] <AzAel> nevermind
[08:10] <AzAel> temporary brain freeze
[08:12] <AzAel> ive seen it everyday for the last year and it just clicked :P
[08:14] <intelikey> so what's new in the *buntu world ?    anything remarkable ?
[08:15] <stdin> KDE 4.0.0 comes out today :)
[08:15] <intelikey> well that is remarkable
[08:15] <stdin> it'll take more than 4MB RAM, so not sure if you're interested ;)
[08:15] <intelikey> stdin you been running it for a while havent you ?
[08:15] <intelikey> :)
[08:16]  * intelikey </blushes>
[08:16] <stdin> yeah, I've been running the alpha/RC released, 4.0.0 is very nice indeed
[08:17] <intelikey> tov   i'm glad to hear good things about it.     but just out of curiosity,  how would a minimalist feel about it ?
[08:17] <intelikey> can one still strip it down pretty easily ?
[08:17] <stdin> all you really need are the kdebase-* packages
[08:18] <Zombocom> I dual boot windows and linux
[08:18] <stdin> that'll pull plasma, phonon and everything needed for a base desktop
[08:18] <Zombocom> how do I add the windows fonts to linux
[08:18] <jussi01> !fonts | Zombocom
[08:18] <ubotu> Zombocom: Font installation basics here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FontInstallHowto - No fonts in Flash? Install "msttcorefonts" (from !Multiverse), "gsfonts", and "gsfonts-x11". No fonts in MPlayer? see !MPlayer
[08:18] <Zombocom> I tried to install msttcorefonts and it messed up
[08:18] <Zombocom> it says I have them installed
[08:18] <intelikey> stdin hmmm when i upgrade i'll have to try this new DE
[08:18] <Zombocom> but I don't
[08:19] <Zombocom> and when I try to remove it it freezes
[08:19] <stdin> intelikey: it's miles different from 3.5.x, it's definitely more "wow" :)
[08:20] <intelikey> man. linux doesn't handle floppy disk defects well at all.
[08:21] <intelikey> stdin cool.    if "wow" is indeed a good thing that is...
[08:21] <stdin> yes "wow" is a good thing in this case, unlike vista :p
[08:21] <AzAel> eek floppy disk
[08:21] <intelikey> :)
[08:21] <flamesage> Oh sweet.
[08:21] <flamesage> I just realized you guys updated the KDE RC packages.
[08:21] <flamesage> Well, they've been updated since last anyway.
[08:21] <flamesage> KDE 4 (RC?) is working great.
[08:22] <intelikey> flamesage <stdin> KDE 4.0.0 comes out today :)
[08:22] <AzAel> i swear the quality of floppy disks has detriorated drasticly in the last few years
[08:22] <flamesage> I know.
[08:22] <flamesage> But the packages have been updated since last time I tried them.
[08:22] <stdin> shhh! keep it under your hat ;)
[08:22] <intelikey> AzAel yes it's a conspiracy.  they are trying to force everyone to abandon the floppy.
[08:23] <AzAel> lol i have floppiues from 15 years ago that are still readable
[08:23] <flamesage> Though.. it looks like the screen resolution is getting.. cut off.
[08:23]  * intelikey still has both 5.25 and 3.5 drives in his box
[08:24] <AzAel> oh wow that reminds me i still have arkanoid on 5.25
[08:24] <intelikey> :)
[08:24] <AzAel> and tetris i used to run on the original 8086 1mhz clone
[08:25] <AzAel> 8088??
[08:25] <AzAel> with 640k mem and ......wait for it...........CGA GRAPHICS ADAPTOR
[08:26] <intelikey> i had to reload (low level format the 20m 5.25" hdd) in an old 80286 today   and kept asking for this disk and that disk,   then i remembered that you had to make a config.sys with "files=20" or higher   for some of those old programs to load    :)
[08:26] <AzAel> hehehe msdos 3 and earlier
[08:26] <intelikey> ibm-dos 3.30
[08:27] <AzAel> that was WOW back then
[08:27] <AzAel> "moving blocks!!!" .....WOW!!!!"
[08:27] <intelikey> indeed,   that tandy 1000 was a top of the line machine back then.
[08:27] <jussi01> !ot
[08:27] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[08:27] <intelikey> hi jussi01   long C++ no time.
[08:27] <AzAel> ok ok
[08:28] <jussi01> heya intelikey
[08:28] <Jucato> g++ -o intelikey intelikey.cpp
[08:28]  * intelikey </blinks>  &  </shrinks>
[08:29] <intelikey> Jucato :)
[08:29] <AzAel> how long before 4.0.0 is expected in the repos?
[08:30] <flamesage> They don't know yet.
[08:30] <flamesage> !KDE4
[08:30] <ubotu> kde4 is KDE 4 is the next major release of the K Desktop Environment. For more information, please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDE_4 - The Release Schedule is available at http://tinyurl.com/2gqwmr - RC 2 packages can be found at http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-rc2.php
[08:30]  * AzAel hopes for nice metapackage that configures all the paths
[08:30] <flamesage> I think I'm just going to install straight from the CD
[08:31] <flamesage> I thought they said that the new KDE 4 had a bunch of effects liks compiz......
[08:31] <AzAel> vanilla kde 4 install?
[08:31] <flamesage> Is thist rue?
[08:31] <flamesage> Is this true?
[08:31] <flamesage> Because I see no kind of options like that on this RC....
[08:31] <AzAel> built into kwin i believe
[08:31] <flamesage> Oh, so theres no way to configure it?
[08:31] <flamesage> Oh doh
[08:31] <flamesage> I just found them
[08:31] <flamesage> Sorry, there under Desktop
[08:31] <AzAel> yes from what i have seen of recent builds, but only cause someone said so
[08:32] <intelikey> kde and not configurable ???      heh.
[08:32] <stdin> it is, you just have to know where to look ;)
[08:32] <intelikey> "right click it"
[08:33] <stdin> it's berried in systemsetting under desktop
[08:33] <AzAel> hahaha ctrl alt bksp
[08:33] <intelikey> can't get there from the right mouse button no more ?
[08:33] <stdin> you may be able to, can't remember atm
[08:34] <intelikey> it just wouldn't be kde if you can't right click and configure it
[08:34] <AzAel> so the new hardy heron alpha is here whats the k status?
[08:34] <flamesage> Turning on Desktop Effects really pissed off KDE 4 :P
[08:34] <Makuseru> waht is the name of the package i need to play restricted file formats?
[08:34] <AzAel> desktop effects still pisses off alot of things
[08:35] <intelikey> !mp3
[08:35] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:35] <stdin> intelikey: no, right clicking the desktop lets you configure the desktop plasmoid instead :p
[08:35] <intelikey> hmmm   ok.
[08:36] <Makuseru> thanks
[08:36] <stdin> everything on the desktop (including the desktop itself) is a plasmoid/applet/widget
[08:36] <intelikey> including the desktop you say ?
[08:36] <AzAel> yeah take desktop zoom for example
[08:37] <stdin> yeah, the desktop and the icons too
[08:37] <stdin> it's all very "swoosh"ish
[08:37] <intelikey> sounds like they have really made a vidio game out of the DE     counter productive to some i'm sure.
[08:38] <stdin> it's actually all rather intuitive to the user
[08:38] <intelikey> stdin how much you know about iptables ?
[08:38] <stdin> you really have to try it to get a the feeling of it
[08:39] <intelikey> i will
[08:39] <AzAel> intelikey: people soon learn to either utilise or turn of what they dont need
[08:39] <stdin> intelikey: erm, I know how to get a GUI to configure iptables for me :p iptabled has always been the one command that's complexity just scares me
[08:41] <jammen33> so how do i get amarok2 in kubuntu kde4?
[08:41] <stdin> you can't. amarok2 wasn't releases with kde 4.0.0
[08:41] <Jucato> amarok2 it isn't released yet at all
[08:41] <intelikey> stdin ok how do i get iptables to forward traffic from eth0 (<IP_ADDRESS>/24 network) to eth1 (<IP_ADDRESS>/24 network) and vice versa ?    the gui tools firestarter and guarddog do not support dubble linking networks like that.
[08:43] <intelikey> they might support it if i had another interface that they could firewall out as the internet connection.  but with only those two and trying to get traffic to flow both ways smothly is not an easy feet.
[08:44] <stdin> intelikey: hmm, "iptables -A FORWARD -i eth1 -o eth0 -j ACCEPT" and "iptables -A FORWARD -i eth0 -o eth1 -j ACCEPT" maybe, or something like that
[08:44] <intelikey> i googled around until my browser hurt.  it doesn't seem that anyone else has wanted to do this.
[08:44] <intelikey> i'll give that a shot.    but i think i have tried it already.
[08:45] <stdin> you may need "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE" and "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE" too, not at all sure
[08:46] <intelikey> hmmm maybe the combo of both...  i don't think i tried both.   not togather
[08:48] <intelikey> i'm also not sure where i came up with this rule    -A OUTPUT -d <IP_ADDRESS> -j DROP    nor what it actually does
[08:48] <intelikey> that seems to be some default
[08:49] <stdin> doesn't that just drop outbound to <IP_ADDRESS>?
[08:49] <intelikey> yeah but why ?
[08:49] <stdin> I've no idea, my iptables has no rules by default
[08:50] <intelikey> i can ping that address but i can't tracepath it
[08:51] <intelikey> whois turns up blank on it to
[08:51] <stdin> "grep -r 224\\.0\\.0\\.1 /etc" may show where it's coming from
[08:53] <stdin> I don't know why, but grep really does need \\. for a literal "." rather than just "\.", even when the string is quoted...
[08:53] <gan|y|med> hi