  No, you should use postgresql.
[22:13] <cmaloney> That's great, save for someone at a company decided to implement their system on this bullshit
[22:14] <jrwren> cmaloney: could be worse, could be mongodb
[22:14] <jrwren> or... oracle
[22:14] <cmaloney> mongodb < /dev/null
[22:14] <cmaloney> oracle < mongodb
[22:15] <jrwren> :)
[22:15] <cmaloney> Hm, I thought Limit was ANSI, but apparently it isn't
[22:16] <cmaloney> which explains why everyone implements it differently.
[22:16] <jrwren> nope
[22:16] <cmaloney> and since Sybase was pretty much a dog's breakfast anyway, it's no wonder Microsoft partnered with them
[22:16] <jrwren> and even if it was, most don't implement the standardd.
[22:16] <cmaloney> http://dba.stackexchange.com/questions/30452/ansi-iso-plans-for-limit-standardization
[22:17] <cmaloney> It's heartening that even the Oracle implementation is worse than MSSQL
[22:17] <cmaloney> No wonder Oracle is performant: you need it to get it to do anything useful.
[22:18] <jrwren> i don't even know if it is performant.


[06:27] <mup> PR snapd#11460 opened: many: backport attrer interface changes to 2.54 <Created by mardy> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11460>
[06:56] <mborzecki> morning
[07:06] <mardy> hi mborzecki!
[08:18] <mup> PR snapd#11448 closed: bootloader/grub: Add support for shim with fallback <Created by xnox> <Closed by xnox> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11448>
[08:43] <mup> PR snapd#11460 closed: many: backport attrer interface changes to 2.54 <Created by mardy> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11460>
[09:08] <mup> PR snapd#11461 opened: cmd/snap-preseed: support for core20 preseeding <Preseeding 🍞> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11461>
[09:18] <mup> PR snapd#11455 closed: asserts: return an explicit error when key cannot be found <Simple 😃> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11455>
[09:28] <mup> PR snapd#11462 opened: tests/nested/core/core20-reinstall-partitions: update test summary <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11462>
[10:48] <mup> Bug #1944032 changed: uappexplorer-cli | No apps found <Snappy:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1944032>
[10:57] <mup> Bug #1937886 changed: No gpio slots listed on Raspberry Pi 4 <Snappy:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1937886>
[10:59] <mup> PR snapcraft#3656 closed: tools: update staging store URL for uploading blobs <Created by nessita> <Merged by sergiusens> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3656>
[11:04] <mup> Bug #1937886 opened: No gpio slots listed on Raspberry Pi 4 <Snappy:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1937886>
[11:09] <mup> PR snapd#11462 closed: tests/nested/core/core20-reinstall-partitions: update test summary <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11462>
[11:19] <mup> Bug #1937886 changed: No gpio slots listed on Raspberry Pi 4 <Snappy:Invalid> <https://launchpad.net/bugs/1937886>
[12:54] <mup> PR snapd#11463 opened: o/state: test that reproduces issue with undo with single lane and two tasksets (WIP) <Bug> <Created by stolowski> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11463>
[12:59] <mup> PR snapd#11386 closed: testutil: add generic mocking helpers <Created by are-scenic> <Merged by pedronis> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11386>
[13:14] <mup> PR snapd#11457 closed: release: 2.54.4 changelog <Created by mvo5> <Merged by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11457>
[13:45] <mup> PR snapd#11465 opened: interfaces/builtin/account-control: allow to execute pam_tally2 <Needs security review> <Created by bboozzoo> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11465>
[14:04] <mup> PR snapcraft#3657 closed: meta: support plugs <Created by mr-cal> <Merged by mr-cal> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapcraft/pull/3657>
[15:30] <mup> PR snapd#11466 opened: release: 2.54.4 changelog to master <Created by mvo5> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11466>
[15:45] <mup> PR snapd#11464 closed: boot: mock amd64 arch for mabootable 20 suite <Simple 😃> <Skip spread> <Created by bboozzoo> <Merged by anonymouse64> <https://github.com/snapcore/snapd/pull/11464>


[04:40] <dLimit> Maaz, coffee on
[04:40]  * Maaz washes some mugs
[04:44] <Maaz> Coffee's ready for dLimit!
[04:45] <dLimit> Maaz, thank you.
[04:45] <Maaz> dLimit: Okay :-)
[07:50] <Kilos> morning superfly and others
[07:50] <Kilos> lo Wolfeyes
[07:53] <Wolfeyes> Morning everyone and Kilos lol
[08:00] <superfly> hi Kilos and Wolfeyes
[08:01] <Kilos> you settled in yet at the new place superfly or still boxes to unpack?
[08:01] <superfly> Kilos: I'm at work... don't have time to unpack boxes
[08:02] <Kilos> i still have boxes i carted from place to place ten years back or more
[08:02] <Kilos> eish that sucks
[08:02] <Kilos> time to find a new job
[08:02] <Kilos> hehe
[08:05] <Wolfeyes> heya superfly and the Mrs :-)
[08:06] <Kilos> hope i didnt upset anyone forwarding the mail about linux user registration
[08:06] <Kilos> zeref, have you registered
[08:07] <Kilos> its to remind new peeps
[08:17] <dLimit^Mac> Greets
[08:19] <Kilos> hi dLimit
[08:19] <dLimit> Kilos, how are you?
[08:20] <Kilos> good try dLimit  and you?
[08:20] <Kilos> sjoe forgot to tab
[08:21] <dLimit> I'm good still having a hard time with this macbook and xchat though
[08:22] <dLimit> Only way I can get xchat is to compile it from source
[08:22] <dLimit> I mean irssi not xchat
[08:22] <Kilos> try run ubuntu alongside and see if the mac accepts it
[08:22] <Kilos> you can also try weechat
[08:23] <Kilos> Maaz, google weechat for mac pc's
[08:23] <Maaz> Kilos: "WeeChat, the extensible chat client" http://www.weechat.org/ :: "WeeChat :: download" http://www.weechat.org/download/ :: "WeeChat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WeeChat :: "weechat Alternatives and Similar Software - AlternativeTo.net" http://alternativeto.net/software/weechat/ :: "IRC-Client - Chat4AllFAQ" http://wiki.chat4all.org/index.php/IRC-Client :: "WeeChat - Bugs: bug #26690, compile fails
[08:24] <dLimit> Ubuntu should work on the powerpc arch but the problem will arise with most of the software in the ubuntu repo compiled for x86
[08:25] <dLimit> It would be best for me to go for something like yellow dog thats made for powerpc or gentoo that I can compile myself.
[08:26] <Kilos> whew you like working hey
[08:27] <Kilos> if everything else works fine try weechat
[08:27] <dLimit> Have you tried bodhi linux, Kilos?
[08:28] <Kilos> no dLimit i only use ubuntu
[08:28] <dLimit> Its basically ubuntu with enlightenment desktop environment. Its what I currently use at home
[08:28] <Kilos> tried susu when i first heard of linux but was lost so hunted for ubuntu
[08:29] <dLimit> Which ubuntu are you using?
[08:29] <Kilos> suse sorry
[08:29] <Kilos> maverick 10.10
[08:29] <Kilos> have tried xubuntu 11.04
[08:30] <Kilos> not my cuppa
[08:30] <Kilos> i kinda used to gnome
[08:30] <dLimit> I don't like this new unity interface.
[08:30] <dLimit> I like gnome myself.
[08:31] <Kilos> someone last night spoke about gnome something or other
[08:31] <Kilos> gnome shell
[08:33] <dLimit> I prefer lxterminal and xrvt
[08:33] <dLimit> Especially becuase I use openbox mostly
[08:34] <Kilos> ah you a terminal guy
[08:35] <Kilos> i use the terminal but like the drag and drop and right click features of gui
[08:35] <Kilos> too many commands to remember
[08:37] <dLimit> Yeah I love my command line its faster than gui and even doing simple things I find myself rather using the cli but thats the great thing of linux theres no "one true way" of doing it.
[08:37] <dLimit> Even on windows I'd rather use its cmd even though its way more mindless than the unix shell
[08:37] <Kilos> i like using aptitude to install
[08:38] <Kilos> and apt-get for update and upgrade
[08:39] <Kilos> but in synaptic you can chooose what apps you want, in cli you gotta know beforehand
[08:40] <dLimit> Yeah I actually enjoy using synaptic more because I can view screenshots.
[08:40] <Kilos> lol
[08:41] <dLimit> But I have been using allot of different distro's recently and most of them do not have a graphical package manager.
[08:44] <Kilos> whew
[08:44] <Kilos> id be lost
[08:45] <Kilos> like booting into root
[08:46] <Kilos> dLimit, have you registered with the linux counter
[08:46] <dLimit> Yeah Im #504888
[08:46] <Kilos> you been in long hey
[08:48] <dLimit> Nah I registered about 2 years ago which is way later than I've really been using linux.
[08:49] <dLimit> Whats your number?\
[08:49] <Kilos> 510724
[08:49] <Kilos> just got a mail from them they have updated the whole site or something
[08:51] <Kilos> brb
[08:51] <dLimit> Hey I gotta run. Cheers Kilos
[09:27] <Kilos> shame poor nuvolari stuck on gprs
[09:27] <Kilos> voda sucking more by the day
[09:29] <inetpro> at least GPRS is relative stable
[09:30]  * inetpro set phone to just 2G and also stuck on GPRS but at least online
[09:31] <Kilos> eish
[09:49] <Kilos> and they sell 12m/s modems. what a scam
[10:00] <Kilos> inetpro, wat se jou twitter matjie van vodacom, is hulle besig om inmekaar te val
[10:01] <Kilos> maatjie/matjie ??
[10:12] <magespawn> howdy all
[10:13] <Kilos> hi magespawn
[10:13] <Kilos> have you registered at the linux counter
[10:49] <magespawn> i think so
[10:50] <magespawn> i remember doing that the first time i downloaded ubuntu
[10:50] <magespawn> about 8 minutes till my mythbuntu is up and running.
[10:51] <magespawn> it runs XFCE as the default desktop
[10:52] <magespawn> i do need to renew my ubuntu and launchpad registration though
[10:54] <magespawn> i could register all of my machines i have more than one
[10:55] <Kilos> ah like xubuntu
[10:55] <Wolfeyes> give him the site Kilos , I think it is a linux registration (international) magespawn , not ubuntu
[10:55] <magespawn> yes but has less default office programs
[10:56] <magespawn> yes have registered there already but only for my laptop
[10:56] <Kilos> http://linuxcounter.net
[10:56] <Kilos> they would like the number of machines as well
[10:56] <Wolfeyes> ah ok
[10:56] <magespawn> there is also a default set up for samba vnc and such for sharing media
[10:57] <magespawn> i will need to up date the registration then
[10:57] <Wolfeyes> Man now I am hot, the sun is a scorcher today.
[10:57] <magespawn> did game drive this morning am now sitting in an air conditioned shop.
[10:58] <Kilos> lol
[10:58]  * Kilos loves the sun
[10:58] <magespawn> yes me too but sometimes it can get a bit much
[10:59] <Wolfeyes> nice magespawn where did you do that?
[11:00] <magespawn> Hluhluwe GR
[11:00] <magespawn> i was the guide
[11:00] <Wolfeyes> Awesome...lol
[11:00] <Wolfeyes> do you do that for a living or extra money?
[11:01] <magespawn> had a good drive too .
[11:01] <magespawn> i do quite a few things for money
[11:01] <Wolfeyes> So do we all but it depnds if it is full time or part time.
[11:02] <magespawn> almost everything is part time at the moment. none of them pay enough to only do that.
[11:02] <Wolfeyes> ah
[11:03] <magespawn> was a full time guide then decided i had enough of being an employee and decided to start my own business.
[11:03] <Wolfeyes> I am trying to push a friend of mine in the same direction.
[11:04] <magespawn> which direction?
[11:04] <Wolfeyes> being a guide working with their own company.
[11:05] <magespawn> you can very rarely do both. and if you do the hours you work are insane.
[11:05] <Wolfeyes> as long as they get the customers, they can make enough from the transfers alone.
[11:06] <magespawn> but the lifestyle and the places you and things you get to see and do are awesome
[11:06] <Wolfeyes> Nodz
[11:06] <magespawn> places you go
[11:06] <Wolfeyes> <--- reads typo's except when Kilos types them :-P
[11:07] <Kilos> hehe
[11:07] <magespawn> if you are doing all the work like driving, marketing, admin then the work load is too much
[11:08] <magespawn> you have to have a team even if it is a small one to start with.
[11:08] <Wolfeyes> yeah, they have people to add to the group but they were always to scared to take the jump.
[11:08] <magespawn> damn look like the upgrade borked the mythbuntu install, going to have to start again or recover
[11:09] <Wolfeyes> I am sure they will know you aswell, they know most of the people in those areas around Kruger, East and South.
[11:09] <Wolfeyes> eish
[11:09] <Kilos> he is in eshowe ian
[11:09] <magespawn> no hluhluwe
[11:09] <Kilos> oh
[11:10] <Wolfeyes> yep
[11:10] <Wolfeyes> I know
[11:10] <Wolfeyes> but they been there too
[11:10] <Kilos> i get mixed up who's from eshowe
[11:10] <Wolfeyes> many years actually
[11:11] <Wolfeyes> ok brb taking a wheel off again.
[11:11] <magespawn> later all on my way home
[11:11] <Kilos> chow magespawn
[12:18] <octoquad> hi everyone
[12:18] <superfly> hi octoquad
[12:18] <Kilos> hi octoquad
[12:21] <octoquad> hey guys :)
[16:07] <Tonberry> anybody know wat happened to the tenet sourceforge mirror?
[16:26]  * tumbleweed was wondering that too
[16:58] <Kerbero> yeah
[16:59] <Kerbero> symm is bearly gone and things are already falling apart
[19:40] <Wolfeyes> thats better
[19:59] <Kilos> noght all sleep tight
[19:59] <Kilos> night as well


[08:30] <kjackal> Hello Juju World!
[09:45] <andrey-mp> Hi! jamespage: are you here?
[13:27] <marcoceppi> if anyone is interested, charm and charm-tools are now snapped up in edge for testing.
[13:27] <marcoceppi> `snap install charm --edge`
[13:29] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: sweet
[13:29] <rick_h_> marcoceppi: was there any issues with the macaroon storage path and such?
[13:30] <marcoceppi> not when you PLUGinto home
[13:30] <marcoceppi> git was the biggest problem >_>
[13:30] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: https://github.com/juju-solutions/charm-pkg/blob/master/snapcraft.yaml
[13:31] <marcoceppi> rick_h_: however, putting the macaroon data in $SNAP_DATA_PATH is a good idea
[13:31] <rick_h_> very cool marcoceppi
[13:49] <cholcombe> stub, question for ya with the apt layer
[14:05] <stub> cholcombe: yo
[14:06] <cholcombe> stub,  i know it's super late there.  I'm running into some trouble getting the config.yaml correct with the apt layer.  I followed the readme closely but it won't build or deploy
[14:06] <cholcombe> stub, i'm falling back on adding the apt sources in my reactive.py which isn't really the best
[14:07] <stub> Got a pastebin?
[14:07] <cholcombe> sure one sec
[14:09] <cholcombe> stub, https://gist.github.com/cholcombe973/e1405d70ba4921178e0908d7c4a6ba1c
[14:10] <stub> cholcombe: at first glace that looks fine. What happens when you deploy it?
[14:10] <cholcombe> nothing it seems.  it doesn't setup either of the sources in the /etc/apt/sources.list file
[14:11] <cholcombe> when i include the same thing in the python reactive.py file it works ok
[14:11] <stub> cholcombe: Does your layer.yaml declare its using layer:apt, and its all been rebuild and upgraded?
[14:12] <cholcombe> stub, yeah i have this in there: includes: ['layer:basic', 'layer:apt', 'interface:ceph-client']
[14:13] <stub> The indentation seems wonky - it doesn't parse as yaml
[14:14] <cholcombe> oh yeah i fixed that
[14:14] <cholcombe> i recreated the file to show you what it looked like
[14:16] <stub> I'd need to see the logs to diagnose further
[14:16] <cholcombe> stub, ok no problem.  i can pack them up
[14:16] <cholcombe> stub, do you have a working example i can take a look at?
[14:17] <stub> The PostgreSQL charm uses the apt layer. Or are you after a mojo spec that configures it?
[14:18] <cholcombe> postgres charm sounds fine.  i'll check that out :)
[14:18] <cholcombe> either one.  i'm looking for how the config.yaml was setup
[14:18] <cholcombe> prob the mojo spec then
[14:18] <stub> telegraf-charm might be better
[14:18] <cholcombe> ok
[14:18] <stub> launchpad.net/telegraf-charm
[14:19] <cholcombe> awesome thank you
[14:21] <stub> cholcombe: In your logs, you should see 'Initializing Apt Layer', soon after which it will call charmhelpers.fetch.configure_sources() (not sure if that gets logged)
[14:22] <stub> One easy way to test the layer is being bootstrapped - set the 'package_status' config to 'bogus'. It should put your unit into a blocked state until you give it a valid value.
[14:23] <cholcombe> ok
[14:53] <stub> cholcombe: oh, that is your config.yaml you posted.
[14:54] <stub> cholcombe: You are setting install_sources and install_keys to strings, but in config.yaml options are mappings. You want to be setting options: install_sources: default: , not options: install_sources:
[14:56] <stub> https://git.launchpad.net/telegraf-charm/tree/config.yaml
[14:56] <stub> (I was thinking that was a deployment config for some reason)
[14:57] <andrey-mp> anybody knows where is jamespage? or where I can find him? maybe he is on vacation?
[15:09] <mbruzek> magicaltrout: Are you able to join the meeting?
[15:13] <cholcombe> stub, thanks!
[15:14] <stub> cholcombe: I'm surprised juju let you deploy it at all
[15:14] <cholcombe> stub, juju is lazy haha
[15:32] <cholcombe> stub, i updated the gist.  is this more like what the apt layer expects: https://gist.github.com/cholcombe973/e1405d70ba4921178e0908d7c4a6ba1c
[15:37] <stub> that doesn't look right
[15:38] <stub> https://gist.github.com/stub42/0438059a79dd1cf7d020fa8ad039b3dc
[15:42] <stub> gah... just revised it. I had bad yaml in one of the strings
[15:42]  * stub wishes again we had richer data types than strings
[15:42] <cholcombe> stub, i'll try that :).  Yeah this yaml is miserable
[15:43] <stub> I don't mind yaml. Its having to encode yaml into strings that get embedded in yaml :)
[15:43] <cholcombe> lol
[16:03] <cholcombe> stub, nope that doesn't work either.  nothing is added to the /etc/apt/sources.list file
[16:07] <stub> cholcombe: How about /etc/apt/sources.list.d ?
[16:07] <cholcombe> nope that's blank also
[16:08] <stub> Do you see the 'Initializing Apt Layer' message in the logs?
[16:09] <cholcombe> i do yeah
[16:09] <stub> Output from gpg after that?
[16:09] <cholcombe> nope.  lemme gist it
[16:10] <cholcombe> https://gist.github.com/cholcombe973/7438f1a25fe2da1a1c6c3a1014c67898
[16:10] <stub> There isn't much logging here, as it is just calling out to charmhelpers
[16:11] <cholcombe> right
[16:12] <stub> Have a look at your generated charm's config.yaml, and see if charm build included your updated defaults
[16:13] <cholcombe> stub, my bad i forgot to run charm build again.  let me try and deploy this again
[16:22] <cholcombe> stub, ah yes now we're getting somewhere.  invalid gpg armor header :)
[16:47] <petevg> cory_fu: For testing the new jdk setup we have in the bigtop base layer, which bundle is the most up to date for testing? Is it https://github.com/juju-solutions/bundle-bigtop-processing-mapreduce, or one of the others?
[16:52] <cory_fu> Is that still a thing?  We need to delete that repo
[16:53] <cory_fu> petevg: https://github.com/juju-solutions/bigtop/tree/master/bigtop-deploy/juju/hadoop-processing
[16:53] <petevg> cory_fu: aha. Thx.
[17:24] <bdx> cholcomb: sup
[17:32] <bdx> cholcombe: sup
[17:33] <bdx> cholcombe: what plans have you for vault_charm?
[17:35] <bdx> cholcombe: I think we need to combine forces on the vault thing
[17:36] <bdx> cholcombe: https://jujucharms.com/u/jamesbeedy/consul/1, https://jujucharms.com/u/jamesbeedy/consul-agent/6, https://jujucharms.com/u/jamesbeedy/vault/8
[17:36] <bdx> they all need readme, icon, and tests :-(
[17:37] <bdx> the^ consul, consul-agent, vault ha stack deploys successfully :-)
[17:38] <bdx> cholcombe: I've put alot of work into it recently .... lets chat when you get a minute
[17:49] <cholcombe> bdx, i'm trying to get the vault charm to hook up with consul so i can store cephx keys on it
[17:49] <cholcombe> bdx, do you have a bundle i can deploy of that whole setup?
[17:53] <bdx> cholcombe: omp
[18:02] <bdx> cholcombe: https://gist.github.com/jamesbeedy/102d1bbcfe5dbf6227f014348026d0a3
[18:14] <cholcombe> bdx, sweet thanks
[18:14] <bdx> cholcombe: one existing caveat to the vault charm is that non-leader units error when you request a token though
[18:14] <bdx> http://paste.ubuntu.com/23065296/
[18:15] <cholcombe> bdx, i see
[18:15] <bdx> cholcombe: because they all try to request the token
[18:15] <bdx> but only a singleton request need be made
[18:16] <cholcombe> yeah
[18:16] <cholcombe> that should be a leader only thing
[18:17] <bdx> yeah ... is there an 'is_leader()' call of some sort that you know of?
[18:18] <cholcombe> bdx, yeah.  are you using layers or old school?
[18:18] <bdx> layers
[18:19] <cholcombe> there's a leadership layer i remember seeing on interfaces.juju
[18:20] <bdx> yeah, vault is already using it
[18:21] <cholcombe> cory_fu, do you have any experience with the apt layer and custom sources?  I can't get it working :-/
[18:22] <cory_fu> cholcombe: A bit.  The most common thing I've seen go wrong is that, since config options can't be nested and thus it uses an embedded yaml string, the indentation on the value is really finicky
[18:22] <bdx> cholcombe: this might help there too -> https://github.com/jamesbeedy/layer-kibana/blob/master/config.yaml
[18:23] <cholcombe> bdx, yeah i'm having trouble with the gpg key.  it's complaining about an invalid header but i know it's valid
[18:23] <cholcombe> cory_fu, yeah the value is hard to get right
[18:23] <cory_fu> cholcombe: Can you point us to your config.yaml?
[18:23] <cholcombe> bdx, i'll try to copy your example
[18:23] <cholcombe> sure
[18:24] <cholcombe> cory_fu, bdx https://gist.github.com/cholcombe973/e1405d70ba4921178e0908d7c4a6ba1c
[18:24] <cory_fu> cholcombe: Your indentation is off on your GPG key
[18:24] <bdx> you need another space
[18:24] <cholcombe> ok
[18:25] <cholcombe> so 2 spaces in
[18:25] <cory_fu> Told you it's super finicky.  It's really annoying to deal with, and setting it on the CLI is even worse
[18:25] <bdx> I somewhat feel like those params should be options instead of configs
[18:25] <cholcombe> yeah.  we need a better way than this
[18:25] <cory_fu> This will get way better when config options support the schema syntax that action params do
[18:25] <bdx> aah
[18:26] <bdx> ha
[18:27] <cory_fu> Unfortunately, that's a breaking change and since it doesn't look like it's going to be in 2.0, I'm not holding my breath.
[18:27] <cory_fu> Unless the core devs can find a way to make it backwards compatible, which would be rather a bit more work
[18:28] <cholcombe> 11th deploy is a charm? lol
[18:28]  * cholcombe crosses fingers
[18:28] <cory_fu> :)
[18:30] <cory_fu> petevg: Any objection to me rebasing and squashing BIGTOP-2476-zookeeper?
[18:30] <cory_fu> No conflicts
[18:30] <petevg> @cory_fu: other than it never being a good idea to edit the history of a branch that multiple people have checked out :-)
[18:31] <petevg> The Bigtop people upstream don't seem to like to use github, including github's convenient "squash this when I merge" feature, though.
[18:31] <cory_fu> Yeah, except that the Bigtop reviewers have specifically asked for nicely squashed PRs
[18:31] <petevg> So, it's probably fine to just squash it now.
[18:32] <cholcombe> bdx, yeah so there should be an is_leader() function.  just requires a little searching
[18:32] <cory_fu> Right.  We could stop using the GitHub <-> Jira integration and submit patches that we manually update instead, but I personally don't find dealing with rebases all that painful
[18:32] <petevg> cory_fu: yeah. Go ahead. I have some outstanding changes against my local branch, but they're not difficult to recreate.
[18:32] <cory_fu> git stash is your friend.   ;)
[18:34] <petevg> cory_fu: In the past, I've had people do really horrible thing with merges when they tried to "fix" a squashed, which is why I try to avoid them. I won't do bad things with it, though, so we should be okay.
[18:35] <petevg> *things, *squashed branch
[18:35] <petevg> cory_fu: what we really need to do is get the dang PR merged so that we can stop merging other things to it.
[18:37] <bdx> cholcombe: yeah, just found it. thx
[18:37] <cholcombe> bdx, cory_fu thanks!  That got it to install finally
[18:38] <bdx> np! nice!
[18:39] <bdx> cholcombe: I'll keep you posted with my vault progress, going to get this mult-token-request thing squared away asap
[18:39] <cholcombe> bdx, awesome
[19:30] <cholcombe> what do people typically do for charms if the deb package being installed has an ncurses setup interface that gets invoked while installing?  coreycb you might know this
[19:32] <coreycb> cholcombe, I'm not sure, but I think that's frowned upon for deb packaging.  for openstack packages, one of the reasons we have separate core packages from Debian, is because Debian uses debconf prompts to configure things.
[19:32] <coreycb> frowned upon for Ubuntu that is
[19:32] <cholcombe> yeah the openattic package has debconf prompts.  i don't know how to disable them
[19:33] <cholcombe> or how i can give it a config file or something
[19:34] <coreycb> cholcombe, It looks like you can disable debconf - http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4401431/disable-prompts-while-installing-a-debian-package
[19:35] <cholcombe> coreycb, interesting.  thanks
[19:35] <coreycb> cholcombe, good luck
[19:35] <cholcombe> coreycb, ugh.  it's always something
[19:35] <coreycb> yep
[19:57] <mayurisapre> is there a way to access auth_url specified in environment.yaml file used for bootstrap, in charm hook?
[20:16] <mayurisapre> hi all.. is there a way to access auth url specified in environment.yaml file from charm hook?
[20:39] <marcoceppi> mayurisapre: no, the charms are disconnected from the environment they're deployed in
[20:45] <mayurisapre> marcoceppi : okay..is there a way to inject these values in deployed charm?
[20:45] <marcoceppi> mayurisapre: you can have them set via a configuration option on the charm
[20:45] <marcoceppi> mayurisapre: may I ask what you're charming up?
[20:46] <mayurisapre> i am deploying in openstack env
[20:46] <mayurisapre> and need these values for further operations in charm hooks
[20:47] <mayurisapre> what is the configuration option you just suggested?
[20:51] <mayurisapre> marcoceppi : ohh sorry .. are you talking about config.yaml file  provided in charm?
[20:52] <marcoceppi> mayurisapre: yes
[20:53] <mayurisapre> yes.. i thought of that option but if I could get auth_url that is more suitable in my case
[21:35] <bdx> cholcome: https://github.com/jamesbeedy/charm-vault/blob/master/reactive/vault.py#L56
[21:35] <bdx> cholcombe: ^ thats all it took
[21:35] <cholcombe> bdx, correct
[21:36] <bdx> pumped
[22:16] <marcoceppi> bdx: I don't have context, but could you use `@when('leadership.is_leader')`
[22:16] <marcoceppi> instead of an if block
[22:16] <marcoceppi> also, love seeing progress on the vault charm
[22:16] <marcoceppi> it's something I've heard a few people ask for already
[22:44] <bdx> marcoceppi: thanks for pointing that out, -1 me for not seeing that state decorating the function directly above ;/


[08:23] <la_mettrie> fundraiser for Skrolli, a printed computer culture magazine https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/skrolli-a-printed-computer-culture-magazine#/


[06:25] <qwerty> HELLO
[06:25] <qwerty> Who can help me with this " firefox is alredy running..." in client terminal
[06:26] <Guest23200> who can help me?
[06:33] <alkisg> "client terminal"? is this an LTSP setup?
[06:49] <Guest23200> yes
[06:49] <Guest23200> ufff i was repair this problem
[06:50] <Guest23200> in /home/$user$/.mozilla/ I can't see profile
[06:50] <Guest23200> then I create and copy with chown to other user :))
[08:20] <hendrikus> hello _ were can i download the edubuntu addon cd?
[08:30] <alkisg> There's no addon cd anymore, there's only the edubuntu dvd
[08:44] <hendrikus> alkisg: There's no addon cd anymore, there's only the edubuntu dvd >>> Thanks for the info
[08:47] <hendrikus> alkisg: is there a list of software wich software was on the addon cd?
[08:49] <alkisg> The exact list would be available in the CD seeds, which should be somewhere in an ubuntu archive, but I don't have any links handy.
[08:49] <alkisg> Installing edubuntu-desktop would get you most of the list though
[08:59] <hendrikus> alkisg: o.k thanks _ another question_ how can we make a edubuntu instal on a server so wich can be opend in a webbrowser such as the edubuntu Live Web?
[09:01] <alkisg> hendrikus: no idea, there's no need to ask specific persons, ask in the channel, maybe the developer who did it will see your question and reply. :)
[09:05] <hendrikus> alkisg: i wil do that _ thanks anyway to help me.
[09:06] <hendrikus> how can we make a edubuntu instal on a server so wich can be opend in a webbrowser such as the edubuntu Live Web?
[15:11] <karthick87> I created a menu profile with Edubuntu Menu Editor and associated it with a group using Profile Manager. The profile is not showing up hen I log in to that user. This is for an LTSP setup using Edubuntu 10.10.Can anyone help?
[18:33] <highvoltage> http://newsblaze.com/story/20101119111941reye.nb/topstory.html
[19:01] <highvoltage> anyone around for Edubuntu meeting?
[19:25] <charlie-tca> I saw that pencil story in usnews and thought the same thing as that headline.
[19:26] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: I'm semi-here
[19:26]  * charlie-tca questions who is going to pay for those supplied pencils, too.
[19:27] <highvoltage> charlie-tca: heh, yeah that's a weird country :)
[19:29] <HedgeMage> pencil story?
[19:33] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: http://newsblaze.com/story/20101119111941reye.nb/topstory.html
[19:33] <highvoltage> not edubuntu specific though :)
[19:35]  * HedgeMage headdesks
[19:37] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: When I was in 7th grade, I built a guillotine for a science project and brought it to school.  When my son was in kindergarten, I had to bring him a change of clothes to school because he wore a pirate shirt at Halloween with a picture of crossed swords -- the shirt was deemed a weapon.
[19:37] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: What's the world coming to?
[19:39] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: not sure if that's happening in the entire world though :)
[19:45] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: ...yet.
[19:46] <highvoltage> hmm, I still doubt that it will :)
[19:46] <highvoltage> rest of the world isn't that into TSA etc :)
[19:49] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: yeah, but other parts of the world have their kinds of totalitarian stupid...countries that censor speech, countries that video-surveille every public place they can 24/7 (looking at you, England), etc.
[19:49] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: I'm more than a little miff we haven't had an uprising here in the US yet.
[19:50] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: *nod*
[19:51] <HedgeMage> A bill was recently passed to basically tax independent internet services (jabber, irc, email, etc) out of existence, we have the 4th amendment being totally ignored, we have government limits on free speech for the first time in ages, we have insane government growth with high taxes and deficit spending on top of it, etc.
[19:53] <HedgeMage> I could go on and on.
[19:53] <HedgeMage> Oh, and the supposedly constitution-loving GOP recently decided that kids should lose their constitutionally guaranteed citizenship rights if their parents commit certain crimes.
[19:54] <highvoltage> wow, I haven't heard about that yet, sounds cruel.
[20:49] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: basically, our constitution says that any person born here is a citizen -- but the GOP is proposing to withhold that citizenship in violation of the constitution, if one/both of the parents is a non-citizen.
[20:49] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: (this is supposedly to address the crime of illegal immigration, but there have been allusions to applying it more broadly)
[20:51] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: Regardless of whether it is only applied to children of immigrants or not -- the argument is that too many people come here illegaly to collect entitlements (welfare money, food stamps, section 8 housing, free health care, etc).  Now, entitlement programs violate our constitution already -- the solution to that is not another unconstitutional measure.
[20:51] <HedgeMage> anyhow, time for me to go
[20:51] <HedgeMage> ttyl
[20:51] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: I guess it's reasonable for a child who's parents was just on holiday there when born and the child isn't going to be growing up there anyway, then there's little reason for the child to get citezenship (just my opinion)


[05:25] <Pygi> join #ubuntu-devel
[09:03] <Pygi> hohoho valandil
[09:28] <Valandil> hi Pygi :)
[09:28] <Pygi> hohoho :)
[09:29] <Valandil> <--- has no raindeers
[09:30] <Valandil> ;)
[09:33] <Pygi> heh, :)
[09:34] <fabbione> http://www.local6.com/slideshow/news/3745342/detail.html?qs=;s=13;p=news;dm=ss;w=450;tn=b
[09:34] <fabbione> ops
[09:34] <fabbione> well it can be funny :)
[09:34] <Pygi> hehe :)
[09:35] <Pygi> what's that? :/
[09:35] <fabbione> not exacly server related
[09:35] <fabbione> it's a news site for weird thing
[09:35] <Pygi> heh, well, not everything has to be server related :)
[09:35] <Pygi> holidays, holidays :)
[09:37] <Valandil> *giggle*
[09:47] <Pygi> hehe :)
[10:33] <Pygi> welcome Chara
[11:39] <Valandil> OK, n8 all :_)


[10:04] <LocutusOfBorg> xnox, interested in an ocaml transition?
[11:56] <Unit193> Why and how is notification-daemon on every desktop?  Xubuntu doesn't want it.
[12:06] <mitya57> Unit193, it is also a virtual package and xfce4-notifyd Provides: it.
[12:07] <mitya57> So the “real” notification-daemon should not be pulled in.
[12:07] <Unit193> Exactly...
[13:34] <ahoneybun> has anyone seen this issue? gnome-software : Conflicts: sessioninstaller but 0.20+bzr150-0ubuntu4.1 is to be installed
[13:34] <ahoneybun> running latest Artful
[13:37] <TJ-> Is there a workaround for the USN-2639-1 (June 2015) change to openssl where it requires a minimum DH key size of 768 bits? This has broken access to several data-center appliances with embedded web servers using SSLv3/TLS1.0 where the firmware DH key size in the server key exchange is only 512 bits. There aren't any firmware upgrades for these aged devices.
[13:54] <Faux> (Oh no.)
[13:57] <cjwatson> If I were in that situation I'd consider installing a very restricted proxy or similar with a hacked version of openssl.
[14:06] <est31> my general advice for situations like these is to a) create a sandboxed VM with outdated software that has no internet access, only to those appliances, b) use that appliance
[14:07] <est31> also helps with "firefox dropped java npapi support" issues
[14:33] <TJ-> cjwatson: I'm assembling an openssl patch that reads an alternative minimum dh_size from the environment; that'll give the flexibilty needed on a per-use/per-application basis without downgrading the entire package
[14:33] <TJ-> est31: right - I'm already needing to use an old Netscape Navigator 9 instance to work correctly
[14:34] <est31> wow its quite old then...
[14:35] <TJ-> something along these lines: https://iam.tj/projects/ubuntu/0001-allow-alternative-minimum-dh_keysize.patch
[14:37] <TJ-> est31: indeed; many of these devices are mid 2000s and just keep on plugging away. No reason to spend £££s replacing them for something like this. It affects stuff like iLo as well. Not to mention all the firmware embedded self-signed expired X509 certificates too
[16:29] <est31> TJ-: IMO its still better to have an isolated VM appliance to access these appliances
[16:29] <est31> than to patch your copy of openssl
[16:29] <est31> and make your general browsing insecure
[16:30] <TJ-> est31: how does it make general browsing insecure?
[16:30] <est31> at least curl uses openssl?
[16:30] <est31> firefox and chrome I think ship their own libraries
[16:31] <TJ-> it makes no changes to the default behaviour of libssl UNLESS an environment variable is defined with an alternative minimum DH keysize value
[16:31] <est31> oh ok
[16:31]  * est31 shrugs
[16:31] <TJ-> So I can control when it is active and use the latest libssl packages, rebuilt with this patch applied
[16:33] <TJ-> It's a minimal patch, does the job, and newer releases are unlikely to require much in the way of rebasing it, so it is maintainable long-term
[20:36] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg, what ocaml transition?
[20:37] <xnox> LocutusOfBorg, Feature Freeze was on August 24th.


[03:47] <steemed> Yay xchat
[03:47] <steemed> wait
[03:47] <steemed> Stupid empathy
[04:47] <latenite> Hi folks; i have fresh install of ubuntu and the nm-applet ist runing BUT dows not SHOW in taskbar. what s going on there?
[04:48] <bioterror> is running or is not+
[04:48] <bioterror> ?
[04:48] <latenite> ps sais it s running
[04:49] <bioterror> you have that notification area in your panel?
[04:50] <latenite>  yes...and when it stop/ start nm-applet it moves like a tiiiiny bit...like only an ICON is missing
[04:50] <bioterror> have you rebooted?
[04:51] <bioterror> and still doesnt work?
[04:51] <latenite> yes
[04:52] <asterismo> hi everybody
[04:52] <asterismo> does anyone use dark themes?
[04:53] <bioterror> latenite, I'm about to leave to my work, I would like to stay and check this with you, but I cannot stay becouse train doesnt wait for me ;)
[04:53] <JoeMaverickSett> latenite: this might help, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1506720&page=1
[04:53] <latenite> bioterror, thats fine :)
[04:54] <bioterror> JoeMaverickSett, haha, I noticed that thing when I used laptop in my parents-in-law
[04:54] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: :D
[04:54] <bioterror> if you have few users logged in, it wont show it to no-one else than the first logger
[04:54] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: lol :D
[04:55] <bioterror> but latenite seems to have his notification area, atleast he confirmed it
[04:56] <JoeMaverickSett> bioterror: i think this is close to what latenite has? http://goo.gl/cApYp
[04:59] <latenites> sorry my wlan is bad...
[05:00] <latenites> steh icon of nm.apllet is still missing
[05:59] <Daniel0108> hi :)
[08:38] <VonLipwig> Could someone have a peek at this and tell me where the root's trash is please? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=10101687
[08:40] <pedro3005> VonLipwig, probably something like /root/.Trash
[08:41] <VonLipwig> root doesn't have a .trash folder... oh well, I will just redo my work... seems a bit silly though how this didn't go to the recycle bin
[08:44] <pedro3005> VonLipwig, you could try to locate it
[08:44] <pedro3005> updatedb
[08:44] <pedro3005> locate <file>
[08:46] <VonLipwig> thanks, the command runs but nothing happens
[08:47] <pedro3005> which command?
[08:47] <VonLipwig> both
[08:47] <pedro3005> well, that means it didn't find the file
[08:47] <pedro3005> the first isn't expected to return anything
[08:48] <VonLipwig> wonderful,thanks for your help
[14:34] <Daniel0108> hey :DF
[14:49] <Mohan_chml> hey Daniel0108
[16:00] <Silver_Fox_> Hello.
[16:03] <Mohan_chml> wb Silver_Fox_ =]
[16:07] <Silver_Fox_> Hello Mohan_chml
[16:13] <Mohan_chml> How is today Silver_Fox_ ?
[16:13] <Mohan_chml> Hola hobgoblin (:
[16:14] <Silver_Fox_> Today is cold Mohan_chml ,  how is Mohan_chml  ?
[16:14] <hobgoblin> o/
[16:14] <Mohan_chml> Silver_Fox_, Just finished my dinner. and others are as usual. I was off for the whole day. went to teach my friend for his upcoming exams =]
[16:15] <Mohan_chml> hobgoblin, finished lunch?
[16:15] <hobgoblin> Mohan_chml: it is 4PM - lunch was long ago
[16:16] <Mohan_chml> :o
[16:17]  * Mohan_chml adjusts the global watch
[16:35] <nlsthzn> ^_^
[16:37] <Daniel0108> hi :)
[16:37] <Daniel0108> any problems? xD
[16:40] <hobgoblin> Daniel0108: loads of them :(
[16:41] <Daniel0108> really?
[16:43] <hobgoblin> Daniel0108: yep - not OS ones though :)
[16:44] <Daniel0108> okay :)
[16:46] <stlsaint> hobgoblin: you silly goose you!
[16:51] <stlsaint> javatexan: texas?
[17:05] <Mohan_chml> stlsaint, Its your fault. see, he left :P
[17:16] <stlsaint> Mohan_chml: im too much for them :D
[17:41] <schmittr> Hey there: I (complete linux noob) got a problem with Ubuntu:
[17:42] <schmittr> Using an external usb-soundcard (PCM2702) I can not get any sound from it, though it is shown using ubuntu-bug audio, I can not see it in the mixer...
[17:45] <schmittr> I tried the work-around from the Ubuntu-Wiki using this command: " cat /proc/asound/cards" .The device  is displayed at second position in the list, but now I am not sure how to edit settings, bring it to first position and make it appear in the mixer...thanks for your help
[17:47] <Guest1868> can anyone help me with a setting up a web server problem?
[17:47] <Guest1868> anyone there?
[17:48] <Guest1868> hello?
[17:49] <Mohan_chml> schmittr, can you check whether the driver is installed for the soundcard? Open terminal and type "lspci -v | less" and paste the result in paste.ubuntu.com
[17:49] <Mohan_chml> Guest1868, just shoot the question. Someone who knows the answer will respond
[17:50] <Guest1868> ok does anyone know how to change the default file location for web server files?
[17:56] <schmittr> ok will try it
[17:57] <schmittr> ok pasted it
[17:58] <schmittr> btw soundcard is working from ubuntu-bug audio
[17:58] <Mohan_chml> give that link to me here
[17:58] <schmittr> ..testtone is...
[17:58] <schmittr> http://paste.ubuntu.com/530141/
[17:59] <Mohan_chml> schmittr, I don't think that the driver is installed for it
[18:00] <schmittr> how to do this?
[18:01] <Mohan_chml> schmittr, are you in 10.10 ?
[18:01] <schmittr> yes
[18:02] <Mohan_chml> have a look again at System > Administration > Additional Drivers to check whether you have installed it
[18:03] <schmittr> only showing the nvidia driver
[18:04] <schmittr> here its shown:http://paste.ubuntu.com/530148/
[18:04] <Mohan_chml> schmittr, i have to leave now as I have an issue here
[18:04] <Mohan_chml> let me give you a link
[18:04] <schmittr> ok thx
[18:05] <Mohan_chml> schmittr, look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[18:05] <Mohan_chml> I think that will help you
[18:05] <schmittr> ok thx already!
[18:05] <Guest1868> ok does anyone know how to change the default file location for web server files?
[18:05] <Mohan_chml> (:
[18:05] <Mohan_chml> Guest1868, I think you can better ask in #ubuntu-server
[18:06] <Guest1868> ok i'll try
[18:11] <carmen> can I adjust the time when lucid goes to sleep?
[18:12] <bioterror> yes
[18:12] <bioterror> are you a laptop user?
[18:12] <carmen> no
[18:13] <bioterror> just a moment
[18:14] <bioterror> open screensaver settings
[18:14] <bioterror> there's a power management button, and you can adjust it from there
[18:15] <carmen> thanks, I appreciate the help.
[18:15] <bioterror> you're welcome
[20:05] <ehcah> Can someone point me towards some great bed time reading on LVM?
[20:05] <ehcah> I'm looking for something detailed, yet understandable by a newbie.
[20:18] <hxcjonnysniper> how do i get permission to read and write a mounted folder? it wont let me change setting as the root.
[20:38] <kaktya> hello
[20:38] <bioterror> hi
[20:39] <kaktya> pleas is there any one out there
[20:39] <kaktya> online
[20:39] <kaktya> how u doing
[20:39] <kaktya> i wanna knw how could i install vmware in my 10.04
[20:39] <kaktya> can you help me pleas
[20:41] <kaktya> :) so that is mean i have to go back to my windows 7
[20:41] <kaktya> that is really sad
[20:41] <kaktya> bye
[20:41] <bioterror> haha
[20:41] <bioterror> take it easy
[20:41] <kaktya> lol
[20:41] <bioterror> breath
[20:41] <kaktya> i am really having hard time
[20:41] <kaktya> with ubuntu
[20:41] <bioterror> and let's start from the beginning
[20:41] <kaktya> :)
[20:41] <kaktya> cool
[20:41] <kaktya> i aprecit that
[20:41] <bioterror> okay
[20:41] <bioterror> so you want to install vmware
[20:41] <kaktya> i am using ubuntu 10.04
[20:41] <kaktya> yeah
[20:41] <bioterror> server player or what?
[20:42] <kaktya> yeah
[20:42] <bioterror> which one?
[20:42] <kaktya> i wanna be good at it but i am having crzy time with it
[20:42] <kaktya> vmware
[20:43] <kaktya> i never use ubuntu before
[20:43] <kaktya> today is my 3 day
[20:43] <kaktya> that i am using it
[20:43] <kaktya> re you there
[20:43] <kaktya> bioterror ?
[20:44] <Cheri703> kaktya: slow down, people don't always respond immediately
[20:44] <Cheri703> are you wanting vmware or virtual box?
[20:44] <Cheri703> or just "a virtualization software of some sort"
[20:45] <kaktya> any one just i wanna use many many os in my ubuntu so i dnt knw which one is work good i guess you knw better than me you tell me which one is good and use it
[20:45] <bioterror> install virtualbox
[20:45] <Cheri703> virtualbox is easiest at the beginning
[20:46] <kaktya> is not working
[20:46] <kaktya> i try it
[20:46] <kaktya> tell me how i install vmware
[20:46] <Cheri703> what isn't working?
[20:46] <kaktya> if is possible
[20:46] <kaktya> yeah
[20:46] <Cheri703> what about it isn't working?
[20:46] <kaktya> i try many iso but is not
[20:46] <kaktya> working is saying
[20:46] <kaktya> same thing like 12 bit
[20:47] <kaktya> i try it again i let you knw what i got
[20:47] <Cheri703> ok
[20:49] <bioterror> huh
[20:49] <Joeb454> >.<
[20:49] <bioterror> pretty bad adhd ;)
[20:50] <bioterror> I even got a msg from him or her
[20:50] <bioterror> after my hi respond, never replied ;)
[20:51] <bioterror> hi again, kaktya
[20:51] <kaktya> i got this
[20:52] <kaktya> Please install the virtualbox-ose-dkms package and execute 'modprobe vboxdrv' as root
[20:52] <bioterror> sudo apt-get install sudo apt-get install virtualbox-ose-dkms
[20:53] <bioterror> sudo modprobe vboxdrv
[20:55] <kaktya> i did and what else
[20:55] <kaktya> i have to do now
[20:56] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox
[20:57] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/FirstVM
[21:00] <kaktya> is not working
[21:00] <kaktya> sudo modprobe vboxdrv
[21:01] <kaktya> i got this again
[21:01] <kaktya> RTR3Init failed with rc=-1912 (rc=-1912)
[21:01] <kaktya> Please install the virtualbox-ose-dkms package and execute 'modprobe vboxdrv' as root.
[21:10] <bioterror> hmmm
[21:10] <bioterror> that installation section is weird
[21:11] <bioterror> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/Installation
[21:12] <bioterror> kaktya, a question
[21:12] <bioterror> kaktya, did you install virtualbox from ubuntu repositorys with synaptic, apt-get or aptitude? or did you download it first from some webpage?
[21:15] <kaktya> i install is from synaptic
[21:15] <kaktya> and there is so much viturtal in synaptic
[21:16] <kaktya> so i did not select all of them
[21:16] <kaktya> i just selected same of
[21:16] <kaktya> them
[21:17] <kaktya> is okie is not big problem i will get it
[21:17] <bioterror> kaktya, sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup'
[21:17] <bioterror> kaktya, sudo /etc/init.d/vboxdrv setup
[21:17] <kaktya> do you knw how i could install ubuntu in my usb and i can use my usb as botable
[21:18] <kaktya> okie let me try
[21:18] <kaktya> and see
[21:18] <bioterror> I've only played on windows with virtualbox
[21:19] <kaktya> is not working fuck it
[21:19] <bioterror> watch you language, we have some youngsters in here ;)
[21:19] <kaktya> thanks
[21:19] <bioterror> your
[21:20] <kaktya> is really nice
[21:20] <kaktya> you did your best thanks
[21:20] <bioterror> well
[21:20] <kaktya> okie i am sorry
[21:21] <kaktya> do you knw same nice terminal stuff
[21:21] <Cheri703> sudo apt-get autoremove --purge virtualbox*  ? maybe bioterror?
[21:21] <Cheri703> and then reinstall?
[21:21] <kaktya> okie
[21:21] <blablaa> hi all, how can i change my refresh rate from 60 to 75Hz, using the nvidia settings i apply it, but it does not change, the monitor still shows 60Hz
[21:21] <kaktya> i will try
[21:21] <hobgoblin> what's up with vbox ?
[21:21] <bioterror> Cheri703, yeah
[21:22] <bioterror> kaktya, install these: Virtualbox_ose Virtualbox_ose-qt Virtualbox_ose-dkms
[21:22] <bioterror> *reinstall
[21:22] <Cheri703> blablaa: my understanding is that the nvidia settings have to be run as root, i.e. gksudo whatever-nvidia-thing-is-called or just plain sudo. don't quote me on that, but that's what I remember
[21:22] <hobgoblin> bioterror: what's the vbox issue?
[21:23] <blablaa> Cheri703: I tried as root
[21:23] <bioterror> hobgoblin, RTR3Init failed with rc=-1912 (rc=-1912)
[21:23] <blablaa> Cheri703: I tried as root, but it still stalls @ 60Hz
[21:23] <kaktya> WHAT CAN I DO NOW
[21:23] <kaktya> dkms* linux-headers-2.6.32-24*
[21:23] <kaktya>   linux-headers-2.6.32-24-generic* virtualbox-ose*
[21:23] <kaktya>   virtualbox-ose-dkms* virtualbox-ose-guest-dkms*
[21:23] <kaktya>   virtualbox-ose-qt*
[21:23] <kaktya> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 7 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
[21:23] <kaktya> After this operation, 136MB disk space will be freed.
[21:23] <kaktya> Do you want to continue [Y/n]?
[21:23] <kaktya> YES OR N
[21:24] <hobgoblin> kaktya: you can stop shouting and pasting long lists in here to start with
[21:24] <bioterror> kaktya, yes yes
[21:25] <blablaa> And another issue, after fresh ubuntu install, and after nvidia drivers install, the boot screen has very low res... strange.... :) whe i remove the driver, the resolution of the boot screen is back to nomal
[21:26] <hobgoblin> blablaa: that is to do with grub2 and nvidia  - there is a fix - but I rarely see the boot screen for long :)
[21:27] <blablaa> hobgoblin: yep, it loads pretty quick
[21:28] <hobgoblin> blablaa: I can dig the info out if you want
[21:29] <blablaa> thanx, but i have to go now, next time :) thank you
[21:29] <blablaa> have a nice evening all
[21:29] <blablaa> bye
[21:33] <bodhizazen> paultag: poke =)
[21:33] <hobgoblin> violence ...
[21:37] <kaktya> hello
[21:38] <kaktya> any nice terminal stuff
[21:38] <kaktya> like moo
[21:43] <bioterror> :D
[21:43] <bioterror> ave aveilleux
[21:44] <aveilleux> ey
[22:23] <Cheri703> so I'm trying to use wireshark, and it's not showing any interfaces...I just installed it, should I reboot?
[22:25] <bioterror> Cheri703, running as root?
[22:27] <bioterror> Cheri703_, remember to run wireshark with sudo
[22:27] <Cheri703_> ah, that might be it
[22:28] <Cheri703> yep, there they are
[22:28] <Cheri703> thanks :)
[22:28]  * Cheri703 is trying to teach herself how to do a hardware trace by tomorrow
[22:34] <Cheri703> if I keep seeing something that is from "RikenKei" to "trendnet" and it's saying "who has <local IP>" is that something to wonder about?
[22:34] <UndiFineD> trendnet hmm antivirus ?
[22:35] <Cheri703> it says it's "address resolution protocol"
[22:35] <Cheri703> I'm on secured wifi
[22:36] <UndiFineD> that is arp, which mac address to send to
[22:36] <Cheri703> ok, the rikenkei thing threw me off
[22:36] <UndiFineD> http://www.trendnet.com/products/?type=home
[22:43] <gabborr> hi
[22:43] <gabborr> how can I install java?
[22:46] <UndiFineD> sudo apt-get install jre
[22:46] <UndiFineD> jre = java runtime environment
[22:48] <aveilleux> gabborr: sudo apt-get install sum-java6-jre
[22:48] <aveilleux> sun*
[22:49] <UndiFineD> i was close ;)
[22:50] <gabborr> i got this msg: Package sun-java6-jre is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source
[22:50] <yofel> gabborr: either enable the partner repository or use openjdk6-jre
[22:52] <gabborr> E: Unable to locate package openjdk6-jre
[22:52] <yofel> err, openjdk-6-jre sorry
[22:53] <gabborr> thx
[22:53] <yofel> the webbrowser plugin is called icedtea6-plugin if you need it
[22:55] <gabborr> i think ive already installed that...how can I test if java is enabled in firefox?
[22:59] <UndiFineD> http://java.com/en/download/installed.jsp
[23:00] <UndiFineD> visit that page gab... gone
[23:02] <yofel> cool, that page crashed firefox here o.O
[23:04] <UndiFineD> hmm, not showing applet in chromium
[23:04] <yofel> (another way to check this would be to look at about:plugins by the way)
[23:05] <UndiFineD> oh, disabled ;)


[21:05] <enterusername> hello
[21:05] <enterusername> is there anyone here?":
[21:05] <enterusername> would like to know how to change the order of when upstart starts its services
[21:06] <enterusername> for example in sys v it would be S99 and S1
[21:06] <enterusername> i have a problem where cups starts after samba
[21:06] <enterusername> and i would like to make sure cups is running before i start samba
[21:08] <Stevee> just create to jobfiles, one for cups one for samba and define as start event for samba the started cups server
[21:08] <Stevee> sorry two jobfiles
[23:40] <casualjim> hi guys, i've been trying to use upstart to monitor a java process but I'm not having much luck at all. There is also no output I could find to help me debug the problem.
[23:40] <casualjim> my current solr.conf file https://gist.github.com/f712e5642aa70aa4d8df
[23:43] <ion> The output’s in syslog.
[23:43] <ion> expect fork won’t really work for sh scripts, since they’re likely to fork-and-exec a number times before the daemon finally forks.
[23:44] <ion> The date command in your script does the first fork and Upstart will gladly follow it.
[23:46] <casualjim> I've also tried without the date command.. and without expect fork.. but I'll try again with just the exec line and see where that gets me
[23:54] <casualjim> ok thanks I've got it working now


[00:37] <ubptgbot> parmodiris was added by: parmodiris
 @Mertcan herolte [i cant add more apps to openstore], But you can add more apps to the openstore
 yeah by packaging and publishing more of them 😄
[02:56] <ubptgbot> Yadhu Krishna was added by: Yadhu Krishna
 Downloading 6/7 files stucks at 0.3mbps
 @layrAhsebarP [Downloading 6/7 files stucks at 0.3mbps], Shall i cancel it or wait?
 [Edit] Downloading 6/7 files stucks at 0.3mbps though i have 100mbps connection
 @layrAhsebarP [Downloading 6/7 files stucks at 0.3mbps though i have 100mbps connection], still showing net speed?
 if saying downloading may be connection lost
 @layrAhsebarP [Downloading 6/7 files stucks at 0.3mbps though i have 100mbps connection], Its probably server side
 Not your fault.
 Is Ubtouch available for k20 pro?
 @kriskuthu [Is Ubtouch available for k20 pro?], Check it on the list of Supported Devices: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io
 @klaartje_b [Check it on the list of Supported Devices: https://devices.ubuntu-touch.io], Thanks
 And if your device is not in that list, keep reading, because the page tells you where to look next.
[09:34] <ubptgbot> <Mario Karo> Hi, Paypal-payment on ebay doesn't work with Morph !?
 @Mario Karo [Hi, Paypal-payment on ebay doesn't work with Morph !?], You need to use Firefox on Ubuntu 18.04.
 @dtarrant [You need to use Firefox on Ubuntu 18.04.], Wich is both not exactly usable on your phone. 😀
[09:40] <ubptgbot> <Mario Karo> Aha, thanks!
[09:43] <ubptgbot> Rayford Sandine was added by: Rayford Sandine
 @Mario Karo [Hi, Paypal-payment on ebay doesn't work with Morph !?], I know there are problems with some pages because thy consider morph as too old. But I admit I never shopped on my phone so I don't know if or what can be done to solve this.
 So using my laptop with Ubuntu Desktop is what I do too. But that is not your question. 😀
[09:54] <ubptgbot> <Mario Karo> I think that it is really  important to have access to the online-market, especially in Corona-times and I hope that UT will be prepared for future!
 @Danfro [Wich is both not exactly usable on your phone. 😀], True, but if you want to score a bargain, what to do? … I used to buy stuff on ebay with Morph, but then ebay started blocking payments. Maybe for better security?
 @dtarrant [True, but if you want to score a bargain, what to do? … I used to buy stuff on eba …], I am afraid I don't know what is causing the problems. I can only hope that the transituon to UT based on 20.04 rather that 16.04 helps. But I don't know it it will mke a difference. Others might know...
 @dtarrant [True, but if you want to score a bargain, what to do? … I used to buy stuff on eba …], [Edit] I am afraid I don't know what is causing the problems. I can only hope that the transition to UT based on 20.04 rather that 16.04 helps. But I don't know it it will mke a difference. Others might know...
 @Mario Karo [I think that it is really  important to have access to the online-market, especi …], I agree, but for now, I try to work around. … I had similar problems on other websites.
[10:07] <ubptgbot> <Mario Karo> Very good!
 sadly many sites like to discriminate other browsers. they want you to use only the popular ones
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/H0SpINOO.png First thing to do with a new device 😉
 (Photo, 720x1280) https://irc.ubports.com/lQq23kz7.png
 Yesterday a BQ Aquaris E4.5 arrived here by mail 🤘 …  It's now running OTA17 like a boss.
 @klaartje_b [Hi, I went the same way, but on an Op1. I wanted to try it out for two weeks, it …], Ok, thanks! Just need it for calls, hotspot, camera, social media, telegram and occacional light  browsing :)
 Calls, hotspot, camera, TELEports, browsing all work fine for me.
 surprised you're not running out of RAM on it
 @klaartje_b [Calls, hotspot, camera, TELEports, browsing all work fine for me.], Sounds good 👍
 @NotKit [surprised you're not running out of RAM on it], The Aquaris? For now I'm just using it to feed new watchfaces to one of my Pebbles. That's not a heavy task.
 But if someone would fork the Rockwork app for Pebble and make it so that it can be used with different profiles (for more than one Pebble) then I would bake them a cake. It's a very fine app, it is just missing this one feature.
 @klaartje_b [But if someone would fork the Rockwork app for Pebble and make it so that it can …], If its chocolate I might just do it ;)
 If you do that I can promise you there will be chocolate.
 @klaartje_b [If you do that I can promise you there will be chocolate.], Ok then
 Cherries on top?
 If that's what you like, that's what you'll get. Not sure how I'll get it to your part of the world, but we'll think of something.
 @klaartje_b [If that's what you like, that's what you'll get. Not sure how I'll get it to you …], Well then I'll go to work
 @klaartje_b [If that's what you like, that's what you'll get. Not sure how I'll get it to you …], [Edit] Well then I'll get to work
 (Sticker, 512x512) https://irc.ubports.com/aIANCb2W.webp
 @klaartje_b [But if someone would fork the Rockwork app for Pebble and make it so that it can …], uh, where is the app?
 https://open-store.io/app/rockwork.mzanetti
 @Mertcan herolte [which one broke the ut? … apt-get upgrade … apt-get update], upgrade ;) that will break stuff for sure
[12:20] <ubptgbot> tfvqnj utwvyca was added by: tfvqnj utwvyca
[12:20] <ubptgbot> <tfvqnj utwvyca> https://t.me/MacSoftwareFree/107 … This is a channel that focuses on Mac free cracking software. They are free forever and are updated weekly.
 Oh
[13:11] <ubptgbot> geminis65 was added by: geminis65
 Good, I updated to ota 17 and the camera does not work on the oneplus one is normal
 @xyn_dev [<reply to media>], +
[13:36] <ubptgbot> cywar was added by: cywar
 @klaartje_b [Yesterday a BQ Aquaris E4.5 arrived here by mail 🤘 … What a sweet little slab of …], nice! i have the bq 5 HD. despite the 1 GB of RAM, it works pretty well. It's of course limited with multitasking but still great 😄
[14:21] <ubptgbot> Fubar was added by: Fubar
[14:29] <ubptgbot> Vishnu Vijayakumar was added by: Vishnu Vijayakumar
 txt
 I've with some friends a small group in telegram, Yesterday one group … member did something (accidentally) and in all telegram clients I'm used … to us it says "Group has been upgraded to Supergroup". The chat works … as before, but in TELEports I've lost all the history of the chats before … this change, in the other clients (iOS, An
[14:37] <ubptgbot> droid, web) the history is still … there. I posted this in the forum and the hints I've got (re-install after … purging ~/.cache/..., look into the archived messages) did not helped. … I also left the group and was invited again, as well there is no history … before this group change. … Is this a known issue? Can I get back the history somehow? Tha
[14:37] <ubptgbot> nks
 @geminis65 [Good, I updated to ota 17 and the camera does not work on the oneplus one is nor …], Hmm. OTA-17 is supposed to make the camera work better on that device
 @gurucubano [I've with some friends a small group in telegram, Yesterday one group … member did …], Maybe it has changed the group settings so that new joiners cannot see the history?
 @UniversalSuperBox [The OpenStore could be improved to support multiple repositories, but since ther …], That might be a chicken and egg situation, no 3rd repositorys because the open store doesn't support it, open store doesn't support it because no 3rd repositories.
 @PhoenixLandPirate [That might be a chicken and egg situation, no 3rd repositorys because the open s …], nah with no 3rd party repos we can ensure the apps just works :3
 @Fuseteam [nah with no 3rd party repos we can ensure the apps just works :3], Are we using the same openstore?! :')
 @PhoenixLandPirate [Are we using the same openstore?! :')], why ofcourse :')
 @Stereofont [Hmm. OTA-17 is supposed to make the camera work better on that device], it does not work in stable, rc, devel and edge.only in halium-devel channel.
 I think we have the manpower to make sure apps work, just no one wants to do it, so we just have apps with angry emojis next to em
[15:26] <ubptgbot> Chrisewcs was added by: Chrisewcs
 @gurucubano [I've with some friends a small group in telegram, Yesterday one group … member did …], Its a bit complicated: I would expect that tdlib does indeed handle this situation. Because "Upgrade" in Telegram servers means that a new group is created, but pointing to the old group still. So the client has to merge the message history
[15:41] <ubptgbot>  from both into one display. This sounds easy but in reality is very complicated.
 So yes, you can open a ticket, but its unlikely to land soon
[16:13] <ubptgbot> davigamer987 was added by: davigamer987
 hello
[16:20] <ubptgbot> VIKAS PATNEY was added by: VIKAS PATNEY
 @Flohack [Its a bit complicated: I would expect that tdlib does indeed handle this situati …], what was done in this group? i can't remember anymore. the old non-super group is listed in my archived chats
 @davigamer987 [hello], Hello and welcome
 @Flohack [Its a bit complicated: I would expect that tdlib does indeed handle this situati …], Florian, in my FreeBSD laptop I'm used to use a tg command line client and when I right now wanted to see the history of the group typing 'history male<TAB>' the tg client was not expanding with the TAB to the name of the group 'malepartus' a
[16:40] <ubptgbot> nd a second TAB showed that there are now two groups named 'malepartus' and 'malepartus#1'. The second contains the old history, the first only the history after the group was updated. This proofs what you say.
 @gurucubano [Florian, in my FreeBSD laptop I'm used to use a tg command line client and when …], Can I view somehow the old group 'malepartus#1' with TELEports, as the cmd-line tg client can do by just typing 'history malepartus#1' ?
 how to reparted root directory?it's only 2GB,but /userdata  have 8GB available,I'm nexus7
 @VVV [how to reparted root directory?it's only 2GB,but /userdata  have 8GB available,I …], what are you trying to achieve? apt is not supported method of installing things in UT
 I use "mount -o remount rw /"to Make root directory writable,It's makes apt can install software
 you can install ubuntu tweak tool
 yes, but as i said, it is not supported, and very likely you will end up with broken system
 what is your end goal in doing that? why can't you use libertine?
 libertine is the supported way of installing and running legacy and CLI apps
 last time libretine didn't work out for me … there was some packages that didn;'t download due to proxy which broken it
 I'm too old,always think apt
 by too old how may i ask?
 @gurucubano [Can I view somehow the old group 'malepartus#1' with TELEports, as the cmd-line …], Not sure, we use tdlib from Telegram. The question should go towards them
 @dohbee [yes, but as i said, it is not supported, and very likely you will end up with br …], So,The UT team doesn't reserve too much space for the root directory, because the official doesn't support and doesn't recommend apt ?
 Encourage the use of libertine
 @VVV [So,The UT team doesn't reserve too much space for the root directory, because th …], One of the many reasons. apt isn't supported because the rootfs has to be readonly and small size, because phones aren't PCs, and Ubuntu Touch isn't a traditional Linux distro
 libertine provides a method of installing traditional software in a container
 The installation will be graphical, too user-friendly
 are you not wanting to use your device as a proper phone/tablet? or are you wanting to have basically a raspberry pi?
 At the beginning, I thought that UT was just the version of Ubuntu transplanted to mobile devices, and that other software should be installed in a way similar to apt except for the app store
 no. it is a specialty build designed for mobile devices
 This is really a big try for mobile operating system
 Thank you,thank UT
[18:14] <ubptgbot> Whyllian was added by: Whyllian
[19:02] <ubptgbot> MrSenshi was added by: MrSenshi
 Hey Guys, keep having an error where it says the device got disconnected or something
 Always stops at the exact same place about two thirds of the way through
 @MrSenshi [Hey Guys, keep having an error where it says the device got disconnected or some …], What are you doing when this happens?
 Through what?
 Transferring the main ROM files I think, it completed all of the firmware flash and wipe just fine
 "Pushing Ubuntu Touch Files"
 "Connection to device lost"
 Okay, so to start at the beginning: this is happening during installation. … Have you tried a different cable?
 Yes, and different ports.
 Opened installer from terminal, caught a "warn: undefined"
 Right, fixed. I needed to format twice
 Nice! 😃
 @MrSenshi [Right, fixed. I needed to format twice], For some reason...
 Well, that was resolved quickly!
 Thank you!
 OK, are the TLS/SSL certs OK?
 Having weird networking issuis
 Sorry, I can't help with that.
 who have XiaoMi 4
 I can't find a way to buy it in Japan
 why do you need that particular device?
 @VVV [So,The UT team doesn't reserve too much space for the root directory, because th …], one of the many reasons is ota updates simply replace the rootfs, so any changes you make with apt will likely be (partially) overwritten. in the case of partially you can end up with an broken system
 [Edit] why do you need that particular device? out of supported devices, Xperia X or maybe Pixels should be easier to find there
 Cedric
 @VVV [So,The UT team doesn't reserve too much space for the root directory, because th …], Reliable image updates, and deltas. also no reconfiguring for each package - less writes so we don't destroy storage
[22:29] <ubptgbot> S3S4T_T1MUR was added by: S3S4T_T1MUR
[23:37] <ubptgbot> Userread2008 was added by: Userread2008


[15:00] <barry> #startmeeting
[15:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is barry.
[15:00] <barry> hello everybody and welcome to this week's ameu meeting who's here today?
[15:00] <adeuring1> me
[15:00] <noodles775> me
[15:00]  * bigjools will not be here and apologises for the late apologies
[15:00] <salgado> me
[15:01] <barry> bigjools: no worries
[15:01] <henninge> me
[15:01]  * jml dittos bigjools
[15:01] <bigjools> barry: blame flacoste :)
[15:01] <deryck> me
[15:01] <jml> barry, and can we please talk some time about my reviewer status & ongoing meeting attendance.
[15:01]  * gary_poster dittos bigjools and jml.  I'l try to be back quickly though
[15:01] <intellectronica> me
[15:02] <barry> jml: sure.  you mean, outside of this meeting, right?
[15:02] <barry> no worries guys, the agenda is light today
[15:02]  * barry wonders if mars is around
[15:03] <barry> EdwinGrubbs danilo_ bac sinzui allenap BjornT_ ping
[15:03] <sinzui> me
[15:03] <allenap> me
[15:03] <mars> me
[15:03] <barry> [TOPIC] agenda
[15:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda
[15:03] <henninge> barry: danilo_ is not here today
[15:03] <EdwinGrubbs> me
[15:04] <barry>  * Roll call
[15:04] <barry>  * Action items
[15:04] <barry>  * year end schedule [barry]
[15:04] <barry>  * invite other teams to do lazr-js code reviews? [mars/barry]
[15:04] <barry>  * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)
[15:04] <sinzui> barry: bac: sent his appologies on Monday
[15:04] <barry>
[15:04] <barry> henninge: thanks
[15:04] <barry> sinzui: right, thanks
[15:04] <barry> [TOPIC] year end schedule
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  year end schedule
[15:04] <barry> i sent a message about the holiday break.  i think our last meeting here for 2009 will be 16 december.  is that okay with everyone?
[15:05] <intellectronica> the suspense...
[15:05] <barry> i guess there's no objection :)
[15:05] <jml> barry, yes, please
[15:06] <deryck> fine by me, too.
[15:06] <henninge> np here
[15:06] <barry> thanks
[15:06] <barry> [TOPIC]  * invite other teams to do lazr-js code reviews? [mars/barry]
[15:06] <MootBot> New Topic:   * invite other teams to do lazr-js code reviews? [mars/barry]
[15:06] <barry> mars: do you want to take that one?
[15:07] <mars> barry, I think it is a bit too early, to be honest
[15:07] <barry> mars: really?  why?
[15:07] <intellectronica> mars: what has to happen for us to not think it's too early anymore?
[15:08] <intellectronica> it's not a matter of time, is it?
[15:08] <mars> barry, I'm organizing a regular call with the other projects who are using lazr-js.  We might want to see where they are with lazr-js in general, before pulling them into the review process too.
[15:08] <mars> so give it a week or two :)
[15:09] <barry> mars: 2010 then :)  but hopefully we can get everyone reviewing lazr-js branches
[15:09] <mars> yep
[15:10] <mars> barry, so I guess we can hold that item for now
[15:10] <barry> mars: thanks, will do
[15:10] <mars> I would still like the reminder
[15:10] <barry> which reminds me:
[15:10] <barry> [TOPIC] action items
[15:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  action items
[15:10] <barry>  * intellectronica and barry to draft guidelines for drive-by cleanups
[15:10] <barry> fail
[15:10] <barry> intellectronica: what do you think? should we still try to do that? :)
[15:11] <intellectronica> barry: we've carried this for a long time. are we actually going to do it?
[15:11] <intellectronica> i rather take it off the list for now
[15:11] <barry> intellectronica: agreed
[15:12] <barry> [TOPIC]  * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)
[15:12] <MootBot> New Topic:   * Peanut gallery (anything not on the agenda)
[15:12] <barry> i'm done.  what's on your mind these days?
[15:12] <henninge> Christmas
[15:12] <mars> hehe
[15:12] <henninge> ;)
[15:12] <salgado> the release
[15:13] <henninge> oh right, that
[15:13] <noodles775> lol
[15:13] <barry> salgado: :)
[15:13] <salgado> I wish you all good luck when the time comes for you to be RM
[15:13] <barry> salgado: why is it so hard?
[15:14] <salgado> not really hard, just a bit stressful
[15:14] <salgado> too many things to keep an eye out for
[15:15] <barry> salgado: i guess one-button-release is not an achievable theme for 2010? :)
[15:15] <barry> anything else from the peanut gallery?
[15:15] <salgado> I guess not
[15:16] <barry> 5
[15:16] <barry> 4
[15:16] <barry> 3
[15:16] <barry> 2
[15:16] <barry> 1
[15:16] <barry> #endmeeting
[15:16] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:16.
[15:16] <barry> thanks everyone.  have a good dayy
[15:16] <henninge> 16:16
[15:16] <henninge> barry: thanks
[15:16] <mars> thanks barry