<p>If you record (typical AVCHD) sub-30 Mbps 4:2:0 video to a card and 220Mbps 4:2:2 video to an external recording device, you will be hard pressed to tell the difference when you view it back on YouTube.  Very, very hard pressed to tell the difference.</p>

<p>However, if you plan to edit the video--changing contrast curves, color, saturation, etc., and especially if you are trying to key any region (whether for green screen replacement or because you want to muck with certain color ranges in certain ways), or if you want to digitally zoom in a bit, then you are going to immediately notice a large difference in how the video behaves in your editing program.</p>

<p>What makes the low bit-rate recording work so well is that the compression algorithms are very smart about fooling our vision system, which is very easy to do.  But such smarts break down almost immediately as soon as you start treating the video as a series of images to be manipulated (which is how video editing programs ultimately "see" the video).  That's when you are going to wish you had recorded in a format that is more true to the digital workflow and less clever about how easy it is to fool our vision system.</p>

<p>If all you ever want to do are the simplest of cuts and fades, you can do that with low bit-rate video.  But if you want to push the image around more robustly, you will quickly realize the need for a higher bitrate solution, which is what the external recorders give you.</p>

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2015-12-07T04:57:19.713Z
Succinct answer. But how much of the difference in keying would be reduced if the local recording was, say, 35 Mbps 4:2:2. I remember NTSC DV being worse for keying compared to PAL DV although both are 25 Mbps. Difference is former is 4:1:0 and the latter 4:2:0
Gyan
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2015-12-07T12:44:22.980Z
I never played with DV, but I have spent a fair bit of time with AVCHD 4:2:0 vs. ProRes 4:2:2 vs. RED RAW (which is wavelet compressed).  Panasonic's VLog-L really shows just how limited is 8-bit 4:2:0 in terms of gradability, whereas 10-bit 4:2:2 is passable.  And neither is in the same league as a well-exposed RED DRAGON sensor recording RED RAW at 8:1 or better compression.
Michael Tiemann
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2015-12-08T23:34:33.660Z
Keying is very dependant on the chroma subsampling, grading is more dependant on the bit depth. If you're recoding 4:2:0 your green channel is effectively ¼ the resolution of your picture so your keys are always going to be crappy.
stib
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Michael Tiemann
<p>According to the <a href="http://www.atomos.com/ninja/" rel="nofollow">Ninja Website</a> </p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Take your consumer camera to a truly Pro recording device. Avoid the internal MPEG compression &amp; go from sub 30Mbps MPEG to 220Mbps ready to edit 10-bit 422 Apple ProRes HQ.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>This <a href="http://www.nikonusa.com/en/learn-and-explore/article/hojlp4ee/using-an-hdmi-recorder-and-external-monitor-with-your-hdslr.html" rel="nofollow">External Recording article from Nikon</a> states</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Another useful optional accessory that is often used on more professional video productions is the external recorder. With an external recorder such as an Atomos Ninja attached to a Nikon HD-SLR, you can record a higher quality, uncompressed video signal from the camera directly to the external recorder via HDMI.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>I'd like to understand what this means in layman terms? Will the image be sharper frame by frame? Is it like watching a higher FPS? Just more data to pull from when Grading? Is it useful on all video cameras or only high end ones?</p>

<p>If the final video is ultimately going to be uploaded to YouTube would it make a difference?</p>

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2015-12-08T23:29:45.150Z
How much benefit it is also depends on what the camera is giving it. If it's getting raw 10 or 12 bit video out of the camera then that's a great benefit, but with a lot of DSLRs it just gets the 8-bit video, albeit uncompressed. This is better than h264 compressed video recorded to the card in the camera, but it might be cheaper to buy something like a Blackmagic camera that records raw natively.
stib
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What does an external video recorder like a Ninja offer?
Ryan
# What does an external video recorder like a Ninja offer?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2015-12-06)

According to the [Ninja Website](http://www.atomos.com/ninja/)

> Take your consumer camera to a truly Pro recording device. Avoid the internal MPEG compression & go from sub 30Mbps MPEG to 220Mbps ready to edit 10-bit 422 Apple ProRes HQ.

This [External Recording article from Nikon](http://www.nikonusa.com/en/learn-and-explore/article/hojlp4ee/using-an-hdmi-recorder-and-external-monitor-with-your-hdslr.html) states

> Another useful optional accessory that is often used on more professional video productions is the external recorder. With an external recorder such as an Atomos Ninja attached to a Nikon HD-SLR, you can record a higher quality, uncompressed video signal from the camera directly to the external recorder via HDMI.

I'd like to understand what this means in layman terms? Will the image be sharper frame by frame? Is it like watching a higher FPS? Just more data to pull from when Grading? Is it useful on all video cameras or only high end ones?

If the final video is ultimately going to be uploaded to YouTube would it make a difference?

**Tags:** video-recording, hardware

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: How much benefit it is also depends on what the camera is giving it. If it's getting raw 10 or 12 bit video out of the camera then that's a great benefit, but with a lot of DSLRs it just gets the 8-bit video, albeit uncompressed. This is better than h264 compressed video recorded to the card in the camera, but it might be cheaper to buy something like a Blackmagic camera that records raw natively.  

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### Answer by username_2 on 2015-12-06. Score: 3 | Accepted answer

If you record (typical AVCHD) sub-30 Mbps 4:2:0 video to a card and 220Mbps 4:2:2 video to an external recording device, you will be hard pressed to tell the difference when you view it back on YouTube. Very, very hard pressed to tell the difference.

However, if you plan to edit the video--changing contrast curves, color, saturation, etc., and especially if you are trying to key any region (whether for green screen replacement or because you want to muck with certain color ranges in certain ways), or if you want to digitally zoom in a bit, then you are going to immediately notice a large difference in how the video behaves in your editing program.

What makes the low bit-rate recording work so well is that the compression algorithms are very smart about fooling our vision system, which is very easy to do. But such smarts break down almost immediately as soon as you start treating the video as a series of images to be manipulated (which is how video editing programs ultimately "see" the video). That's when you are going to wish you had recorded in a format that is more true to the digital workflow and less clever about how easy it is to fool our vision system.

If all you ever want to do are the simplest of cuts and fades, you can do that with low bit-rate video. But if you want to push the image around more robustly, you will quickly realize the need for a higher bitrate solution, which is what the external recorders give you.

> **Comments:**
> **username_3**: Succinct answer. But how much of the difference in keying would be reduced if the local recording was, say, 35 Mbps 4:2:2. I remember NTSC DV being worse for keying compared to PAL DV although both are 25 Mbps. Difference is former is 4:1:0 and the latter 4:2:0  
> **username_2**: I never played with DV, but I have spent a fair bit of time with AVCHD 4:2:0 vs. ProRes 4:2:2 vs. RED RAW (which is wavelet compressed).  Panasonic's VLog-L really shows just how limited is 8-bit 4:2:0 in terms of gradability, whereas 10-bit 4:2:2 is passable.  And neither is in the same league as a well-exposed RED DRAGON sensor recording RED RAW at 8:1 or better compression.  
> **username_1**: Keying is very dependant on the chroma subsampling, grading is more dependant on the bit depth. If you're recoding 4:2:0 your green channel is effectively ¼ the resolution of your picture so your keys are always going to be crappy.  

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