<p>In video, there is no "I don't have disk space" or "I want to add compression to files to lower my disk space usage and caching".</p>

<p>You should record uncompressed, work uncompressed, and at the final stage export the uncompressed video to a suitable format for delivery.</p>

<p>Record your video.  Edit wherever you want (I suggest Vegas, because is the fastest on pc).  Cut.  Edit.  Do whatever you want.  Then export your timeline to h.264.</p>

<p>I suggest using Adobe media encoder cs5 + to do the job.  Don't encode already encoded video files, because it will degrade your quality.</p>

<p>Check youtube/vimeo/... what formats they play the best (usually there is a guide for file formats and upload)</p>

<p>One more thing:  FRAPS ENCODES in its own codec.  You need a properly installed DECODER/ENCODER for Vegas/Avid/Premiere to see the files properly.</p>

<p>I did a lot of gaming videos before and after HD was introduced.  I did it with FRAPS, game engines....  Uncompressed is what you want.  Or you could force FRAPS to use Avid's DNxHD code c(you can get it on Avid's site.)</p>

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Desmond
<p>I'm entering my third week into the video editing world, and have already put up a few test videos to youtube. But overall, I am unhappy with the results so far.</p>

<p>Quick background: I am recording video game footage using fraps, and eventually want to create professionally edited productions in the future, for now, I'm still learning.
I have tried h.264 from vegas studio 11(trial)... it looks terrible. I have also tried wmv: that looks much better... but is grainy, so still unacceptable for me (also file size is large in wmv).
And for the last week and a half, I have been playing around, googling, testing programs, researching methods for video production, trying not to ask questions(because the info might already be out there), but I just can't seem to figure this out: I'm stuck.</p>

<p>What information I need:</p>

<p>I would like to know what steps I need to go through in order to end up with a high quality, high definition video with accurate colours(within acceptable parameters of course... i.e. not super dark compared to source video, which is what happens with vegas avc/h.264).</p>

<p>I think I have some idea as to the steps involved, and I will post it below, please fill in the gaps with as much detail as you care to provide, post links to other answers, and also other websites which have supplementary information:</p>

<p>1.Record Video in fraps at 1080p - 29.97fps
2.Encode into intermediate codec (having trouble here, one spot I need help with).
3.Import into video editor (I'm currently trying to use avid studio due to it's unlimited track nature, if vegas studio 11 is better for me, please say so).
4.Edit the video, adding effects and transitions and splicing together video footage.
5.Export the video to h.264 at about 8000kbps or to another much higher bitrate codec.
optional 6. encode into final codec using handbrake or some other encoder.
7. Upload.</p>

<p>So that's what I think the steps are, please correct me if I have them wrong. As you can see, I am stuck at step 2, because I keep getting no video footage after encoding into my intermediate format. 
     The intermediate codecs I have tried are: ffmpeg huffyuv, ffmpeg dnxhd and they both get no video output.</p>

<p>If anyone is still wondering what question to answer, I'll abridge it here:
What do I need to do and what programs should I use (max budget $150 total), in order to get a VERY GOOD quality video with fast editing speeds.</p>

<p>Note: I may not have the correct playback codecs, I don't know, I only have the default windows codecs installed at the moment for decoding, the rest are included in ffmpeg.
note2: I am using avantigui to use ffmpeg.</p>

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this is kind of a multi question, but considering the fact that someone would need to know all of this(unless I actually don't) in order to start with video production, it should be good.
Green
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What is step 2 supposed to be good for anyway? Intermediate lossy codecs are always bad. Or do you just mean "let fraps record in this format"? — h.264 is the best codec for uploading to YouTube. If this does not give you satisfying results, something else is wrong.
leftaroundabout
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fraps video doesn't load into avid... black screen. I can encode to something else, like high bitrate h.264, and put that in... but it's slower than encoding into dnxhd, but that just doesn't work for me. I read that step 2 is necessary to allow for a better editing experience and final export quality, like prepping a room for painting... problem is, I don't know what to do, and I want to edit my video before uploading it to youtube.
Green
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Well you've read wrongly. Do encode to lossless OMFI for editing, which is Avid's native codec. (It takes horrendous amounts of hard disk space, but that's a price you need to pay if you want high quality.) And no other intermediate codecs, each of these will reduce the quality.
leftaroundabout
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2011-07-18T11:40:25.963Z
I don't want horrendous hard drive space, and I don't want a file size any larger than the fraps recording (4GB for 2 minutes approx). But yeah, I would need an intermediate encode anyway if I am to be able to use avid at all... perhaps I should give up and go back to vegas.
Green
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2011-07-18T11:58:32.477Z
Even OMFI is not going to be more horrendous than 4 GB for 2 minutes.  —  Vegas accepts lossy formats better then Avid, but as I said: this will always sacrifice video quality. I personally do not mind for my own YouTube videos, I also use h.264 as an intermediate format to save space. But these videos are not really aimed at high quality anyway.
leftaroundabout
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2011-07-19T06:53:12.577Z
hmm, I'm going to ask another question... which is more specific... this one doesn't seem to be getting any answers
Green
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What is a good workflow for producing High quality High definition Videos suitable for a final upload to the internet.
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# What is a good workflow for producing High quality High definition Videos suitable for a final upload to the internet.

(Asked by: username_0 on 2011-07-18)

I'm entering my third week into the video editing world, and have already put up a few test videos to youtube. But overall, I am unhappy with the results so far.

Quick background: I am recording video game footage using fraps, and eventually want to create professionally edited productions in the future, for now, I'm still learning.
I have tried h.264 from vegas studio 11(trial)... it looks terrible. I have also tried wmv: that looks much better... but is grainy, so still unacceptable for me (also file size is large in wmv).
And for the last week and a half, I have been playing around, googling, testing programs, researching methods for video production, trying not to ask questions(because the info might already be out there), but I just can't seem to figure this out: I'm stuck.

What information I need:

I would like to know what steps I need to go through in order to end up with a high quality, high definition video with accurate colours(within acceptable parameters of course... i.e. not super dark compared to source video, which is what happens with vegas avc/h.264).

I think I have some idea as to the steps involved, and I will post it below, please fill in the gaps with as much detail as you care to provide, post links to other answers, and also other websites which have supplementary information:

1.Record Video in fraps at 1080p - 29.97fps
2.Encode into intermediate codec (having trouble here, one spot I need help with).
3.Import into video editor (I'm currently trying to use avid studio due to it's unlimited track nature, if vegas studio 11 is better for me, please say so).
4.Edit the video, adding effects and transitions and splicing together video footage.
5.Export the video to h.264 at about 8000kbps or to another much higher bitrate codec.
optional 6. encode into final codec using handbrake or some other encoder.
7. Upload.

So that's what I think the steps are, please correct me if I have them wrong. As you can see, I am stuck at step 2, because I keep getting no video footage after encoding into my intermediate format.
The intermediate codecs I have tried are: ffmpeg huffyuv, ffmpeg dnxhd and they both get no video output.

If anyone is still wondering what question to answer, I'll abridge it here:
What do I need to do and what programs should I use (max budget $150 total), in order to get a VERY GOOD quality video with fast editing speeds.

Note: I may not have the correct playback codecs, I don't know, I only have the default windows codecs installed at the moment for decoding, the rest are included in ffmpeg.
note2: I am using avantigui to use ffmpeg.

**Tags:** software, video, editing, intermediate

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: this is kind of a multi question, but considering the fact that someone would need to know all of this(unless I actually don't) in order to start with video production, it should be good.  
> **username_1**: What is step 2 supposed to be good for anyway? Intermediate lossy codecs are always bad. Or do you just mean "let fraps record in this format"? — h.264 is the best codec for uploading to YouTube. If this does not give you satisfying results, something else is wrong.  
> **username_0**: fraps video doesn't load into avid... black screen. I can encode to something else, like high bitrate h.264, and put that in... but it's slower than encoding into dnxhd, but that just doesn't work for me. I read that step 2 is necessary to allow for a better editing experience and final export quality, like prepping a room for painting... problem is, I don't know what to do, and I want to edit my video before uploading it to youtube.  
> **username_1**: Well you've read wrongly. Do encode to lossless OMFI for editing, which is Avid's native codec. (It takes horrendous amounts of hard disk space, but that's a price you need to pay if you want high quality.) And no other intermediate codecs, each of these will reduce the quality.  
> **username_0**: I don't want horrendous hard drive space, and I don't want a file size any larger than the fraps recording (4GB for 2 minutes approx). But yeah, I would need an intermediate encode anyway if I am to be able to use avid at all... perhaps I should give up and go back to vegas.  
> **username_1**: Even OMFI is not going to be more horrendous than 4 GB for 2 minutes.  —  Vegas accepts lossy formats better then Avid, but as I said: this will always sacrifice video quality. I personally do not mind for my own YouTube videos, I also use h.264 as an intermediate format to save space. But these videos are not really aimed at high quality anyway.  
> **username_0**: hmm, I'm going to ask another question... which is more specific... this one doesn't seem to be getting any answers  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2011-10-17. Score: 2

In video, there is no "I don't have disk space" or "I want to add compression to files to lower my disk space usage and caching".

You should record uncompressed, work uncompressed, and at the final stage export the uncompressed video to a suitable format for delivery.

Record your video. Edit wherever you want (I suggest Vegas, because is the fastest on pc). Cut. Edit. Do whatever you want. Then export your timeline to h.264.

I suggest using Adobe media encoder cs5 + to do the job. Don't encode already encoded video files, because it will degrade your quality.

Check youtube/vimeo/... what formats they play the best (usually there is a guide for file formats and upload)

One more thing: FRAPS ENCODES in its own codec. You need a properly installed DECODER/ENCODER for Vegas/Avid/Premiere to see the files properly.

I did a lot of gaming videos before and after HD was introduced. I did it with FRAPS, game engines.... Uncompressed is what you want. Or you could force FRAPS to use Avid's DNxHD code c(you can get it on Avid's site.)


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